1D MarkIII N being released at Photokina?

[gjl711]

All this talk about the 5D replacement and possible even a 50D, but no one is mentioning that theMkIII is just two months short of 18 months replacement cycle, one month if you concider that the MkIII should have come out in April, not May. So it’s time for a MkIII-N or maybe even a MkIV.

It’s time to start officially start speculating what the next 1D is going to look like when it’s released next month. :)

[kensei]

it's gonna look just like the mk3. but with 4 of the buttons in different places.

[TheHoff]

There has been a sighting on another rumor forum of a prototype 1D4

http://i38.tinypic.com/zl3p6a.jpg

Unfortunately the photo was taken with a 1D3 when the new camera was coming right at it in bright sun on a warm day.

[gjl711]

There has been a sighting on another rumor forum of a prototype 1D4

http://i38.tinypic.com/zl3p6a.jpg

Unfortunately the photo was taken with a 1D3 when the new camera was coming right at it in bright sun on a warm day.
Ok... I laughed. :)

[Feudal1]

There has been a sighting on another rumor forum of a prototype 1D4

http://i38.tinypic.com/zl3p6a.jpg

Unfortunately the photo was taken with a 1D3 when the new camera was coming right at it in bright sun on a warm day.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[mattograph]

There has been a sighting on another rumor forum of a prototype 1D4

http://i38.tinypic.com/zl3p6a.jpg

Unfortunately the photo was taken with a 1D3 when the new camera was coming right at it in bright sun on a warm day.


A little heavy on the unsharp mask, I think.

[ArenGh]

hahaha gotta love camera/geek jokes

[gdl357]

There has been a sighting on another rumor forum of a prototype 1D4

http://i38.tinypic.com/zl3p6a.jpg

Unfortunately the photo was taken with a 1D3 when the new camera was coming right at it in bright sun on a warm day.


HAHAH Hoff ur a killa! I laughed.

[crazyskillz07]

There has been a sighting on another rumor forum of a prototype 1D4



Unfortunately the photo was taken with a 1D3 when the new camera was coming right at it in bright sun on a warm day.
I almost fell of my chair!:lol::lol::lol:

[AdamJT]

Tired after a long senior portrait shoot, and that really made me laugh!!!

[Pen6uiN]

There has been a sighting on another rumor forum of a prototype 1D4

http://i38.tinypic.com/zl3p6a.jpg

Unfortunately the photo was taken with a 1D3 when the new camera was coming right at it in bright sun on a warm day.
best photo in this rumour section ever
rofl

[elysium]

There has been a sighting on another rumor forum of a prototype 1D4

http://i38.tinypic.com/zl3p6a.jpg

Unfortunately the photo was taken with a 1D3 when the new camera was coming right at it in bright sun on a warm day.
I see three direct print buttons located around the shutter. THANK YOU CANON - You made my life a breeze!

[symbolphoto]

LOL, that's the funniest thing i'll read today. Well unless I Simonous bumps his thread again tomorrow claming he doesn't bump his thread.

[mattograph]

LOL, that's the funniest thing i'll read today. Well unless I Simonous bumps his thread again tomorrow claming he doesn't bump his thread.

Dwell much?:)

[elysium]

I remember the previous release

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showpost.php?p=4583035&postcount=67

[Keith R]

but no one is mentioning that theMkIII is just two months short of 18 months replacement cycle

Probably because the 1D bodies are on a much longer replacement cycle than that, John.

[pumaknight]

HAHAHAHAHA, I like that one!!

[gjl711]

Probably because the 1D bodies are on a much longer replacement cycle than that, John.
Outside the original 1D, the 1D series cameras have also been on approximately an 18 month schedule as well.
1D = 12/01
1DMkII = 4/04
1DMkIIn = 10/05, 18 months from the MkII
1DMkIII = 5/07, 19 months from the MkIIn
1DMkIIIn = ??? (11/08 would be 18 months)

[mattograph]

If I were a betting man, I would guess that the next 1 series body will be a re-release of the 1D mkIIn

[Keith R]

Hi John,

Mk II to Mk IIn wasn't really a "new" model introduction though.

Apart from that "blip" it's been (according to DPR (http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/CanonEOS1DSMarkIII/)):

1D - 09/01
1D Mk II - 1/04 (with the Mk IIn at 08/05)
1D Mk III - 02/07.

For the "S" bodies it's:

1Ds - 9/02
1Ds Mk II - 09/04
1Ds Mk III - 08/07.

But yeah, following the same logic, a MK IIIn could come out sooner rather than later...

[AdamJL]

Hi John,

Mk II to Mk IIn wasn't really a "new" model introduction though.

Apart from that "blip" it's been (according to DPR (http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/CanonEOS1DSMarkIII/)):

1D - 09/01
1D Mk II - 1/04 (with the Mk IIn at 08/05)
1D Mk III - 02/07.

For the "S" bodies it's:

1Ds - 9/02
1Ds Mk II - 09/04
1Ds Mk III - 08/07.

But yeah, following the same logic, a MK IIIn could come out sooner rather than later...

American date formats? You should be ashamed! :p

[pumaknight]

I am not so sure we can predict release scehdules on past performance with any real accuracy.

Market forces, development schedules, technology advances and just plain old financial requiremetns dictate company releases.

[gjl711]

I am not so sure we can predict release scehdules on past performance with any real accuracy.

Market forces, development schedules, technology advances and just plain old financial requiremetns dictate company releases.
Clearly that is true, but it's alwaus fun to read the tea leaves and intuit the future. :)

[mattograph]

Clearly that is true, but it's alwaus fun to read the tea leaves and intuit the future. :)

If you want to read a real headline, imagine this one in PopPhoto, November 2008.

"Canon shows up at Photokina, brings nothing new."
:shock:

[TheHoff]

HAH!

Of course for many of us if all they do is a new Rebel and some consumer ultrazooms it basically is nothing new.

[pumaknight]

Clearly that is true, but it's alwaus fun to read the tea leaves and intuit the future. :)

HAHAHAHA, I can't disagree with that - I mean I check every one of these rumor posts on numerous sites, just hoping to catch a bite of the new cameras - but then that is cos I have money burning a hole in my pocket and a wife desperately wanting me to get a new camera so she can get her "beloved" 5d back :-))

I am as sick as the rest of you.....

[greg20d]

There has been a sighting on another rumor forum of a prototype 1D4

http://i38.tinypic.com/zl3p6a.jpg

Unfortunately the photo was taken with a 1D3 when the new camera was coming right at it in bright sun on a warm day.

maybe I need new glasses it looks good to me ....lol

[crazyskillz07]

HAH!

Of course for many of us if all they do is a new Rebel and some consumer ultrazooms it basically is nothing new.

If that happens. I am going to consider jumping ship to Nikon. Or maybe not. But It will run across my mind.

[Geoffery]

The 1D Mark III will remain in Canon's existing line-up till Winter 2009, after which its successor will be announced prior to PMA 2010 and available for sale beginning Spring '10.

What Canon is going to sell to us post-Photokina 2008 is a successor to the EOS 5D - combining the best of the 5D and Mark III plus new technologies in the EOS System, a full frame DSLR for nature, portrait, weddings, sports and news photographers in conjunction with the 10th anniversary of the EOS-3 film SLR.

That EOS-3 formed the basis of what's acceptable to the working pro photogs, and most of its features were made available in the EOS-1v pro camera - which is the base model the EOS-1D-series of DSLRs were based and improved upon.

Whatever new tech Canon is putting into the 5D's successor will eventually find its way into the 1D Mark III's successor comes Spring '10.

[crazyskillz07]

The 1D Mark III will remain in Canon's existing line-up till Winter 2009, after which its successor will be announced prior to PMA 2010 and available for sale beginning Spring '10.

What Canon is going to sell to us post-Photokina 2008 is a successor to the EOS 5D - combining the best of the 5D and Mark III plus new technologies in the EOS System, a full frame DSLR for nature, portrait, weddings, sports and news photographers in conjunction with the 10th anniversary of the EOS-3 film SLR.

That EOS-3 formed the basis of what's acceptable to the working pro photogs, and most of its features were made available in the EOS-1v pro camera - which is the base model the EOS-1D-series of DSLRs were based and improved upon.

Whatever new tech Canon is putting into the 5D's successor will eventually find its way into the 1D Mark III's successor comes Spring '10.

Umm. Your sources? You can't drop a bomb like that without some inside news. I would be upset if I didn't see a new 1D. I will buy one this winter regardless though.

[Keith R]

I am going to consider jumping ship to Nikon.

Anyone else as sick to death as I am of folk threatening this?

Just bloody do it. I doubt anyone could care less either way...

[crazyskillz07]

Anyone else as sick to death as I am of folk threatening this?

Just bloody do it. I doubt anyone could care less either way...
Easy does it there killer. I'm just messing around. As if I could afford there lenses anyway. :lol:

[ulrikft]

Anyone else as sick to death as I am of folk threatening this?

Just bloody do it. I doubt anyone could care less either way...

Well, the market works like this: if enough people jump ship to nikon, canon will have problems in their slr-division, then they'll stop making slr's beacause it is a losing thing.. and then YOU have to jump ship too!

OH NOES!

[JBF]

Mine seems to focus wonderfully.....guess I got lucky!!

[sandpiper]

I don't know if it has anything to do with a 1D IIIN being readied for release, but my usual supplier (warehouse express in the UK) is currently listing the 1D III as "Canon supply problem - currently unavailable - place on backorder". I spotted that a couple of days ago and my first thought was that they could be about to anounce the 'N' version at Photokina.

Presumably, they would have switched the production of regular 1D IIIs over to IIINs some time back, ready to have a good supply once announced.

[Geoffery]

I don't think there will be any 1DIIIN for this year or next's.

As Canon USA's Chuck Westfall had said it a few months back, Canon chose the 1.3x crop factor as the competitions then all used the 1.5x (or 2x) version. And full-frame was exclusive to Canon until Nikon unveiled its FX-format models.

An N model is basically upgrading a few features over the standard version. As it stands now, the 1D III only lose out to the Nikon D3 on high ISO noise of 3200/6400, 12.1MP and full frame.

It bested the D3 on AF perfomance, colour, exposure and WB control. It doesn't lose much ground in terms of image buffer over the recently-announced buffer upgrade service by Nikon for the D3.

AF performance is subjective - in terms of accuracy, the 1D III has more keepers than the D3 from my own tests but the latter is better than the former in subjects that change direction within the frame. However, I found it funny that the D3's 3D Dynamic AF could not differentiate the main subject from other moving subjects - a stage singer the camera was tracking, and suddenly the main AF tracking point changed to one of the back-up dancers, which was moving faster.

With firmware 1.2.3 installed, I find the 1D III writes faster than the D3 on a SanDisk Ext III 8GB and 16GB CF cards. And with the Extreme Ducati 8GB, the write speed is even faster but have not make a comparison yet with the D3 on this.

An N version (if any) of the 1D III would only offer several performance upgrades, it can't update it from a 1.3x camera to a full-frame or increasing the 10.1MP to 13-15MP, all of which are better off being offered to the photographers via a new camera model than merely an upgrade variation.

[Keith R]

Well, the market works like this: if enough people jump ship to nikon, canon will have problems in their slr-division, then they'll stop making slr's beacause it is a losing thing.. and then YOU have to jump ship too!

OH NOES!

The point is, most don't jump, they just bitch about it.

I jumped from Nikon to Canon, but prior to doing so I didn't take every last opportunity presented to me to declare my intention to switch: when I finally established that the D200 wasn't up to the job, I got a Canon 30D and got on with my life.

[Keith R]

Easy does it there killer. I'm just messing around. As if I could afford there lenses anyway. :lol:

So stop saying it.

Simple enough, isn't it?

[crazyskillz07]

So stop saying it.

Simple enough, isn't it?
OR if you don't like it you can leave the thread. Simple enough, isn't it? We are here messing around just talking. There is no need for you to get all pissy.

[Naturalworldphotographer]

There has been a sighting on another rumor forum of a prototype 1D4

http://i38.tinypic.com/zl3p6a.jpg

Unfortunately the photo was taken with a 1D3 when the new camera was coming right at it in bright sun on a warm day.

That must have been taken using one of the blue dot mkIIIs with the latest firmware - focus is dead ON!

[Kevin]

Continuing with the personal attack remarks will only result in one of us locking the thread. So if you want to keep the discussion as it was started I suggest we start now.

[GBRandy]

I don't think there will be any 1DIIIN for this year or next's.

As Canon USA's Chuck Westfall had said it a few months back, Canon chose the 1.3x crop factor as the competitions then all used the 1.5x (or 2x) version. And full-frame was exclusive to Canon until Nikon unveiled its FX-format models.

An N model is basically upgrading a few features over the standard version. As it stands now, the 1D III only lose out to the Nikon D3 on high ISO noise of 3200/6400, 12.1MP and full frame.

It bested the D3 on AF perfomance, colour, exposure and WB control. It doesn't lose much ground in terms of image buffer over the recently-announced buffer upgrade service by Nikon for the D3.

AF performance is subjective - in terms of accuracy, the 1D III has more keepers than the D3 from my own tests but the latter is better than the former in subjects that change direction within the frame. However, I found it funny that the D3's 3D Dynamic AF could not differentiate the main subject from other moving subjects - a stage singer the camera was tracking, and suddenly the main AF tracking point changed to one of the back-up dancers, which was moving faster.

With firmware 1.2.3 installed, I find the 1D III writes faster than the D3 on a SanDisk Ext III 8GB and 16GB CF cards. And with the Extreme Ducati 8GB, the write speed is even faster but have not make a comparison yet with the D3 on this.

An N version (if any) of the 1D III would only offer several performance upgrades, it can't update it from a 1.3x camera to a full-frame or increasing the 10.1MP to 13-15MP, all of which are better off being offered to the photographers via a new camera model than merely an upgrade variation.

Good observations....but when the MKIIn was released it was simply for a small handful of updates...the most user visible one being a slightly larger LCD.

Considering the Nikon LCD runs circles around the Canon one, it makes more sense to me that Canon does release an MKIIIn sooner instead of later that would include the LCD imprvement some twekas in WB & software as well as a unnanounced change in the AF system ;)

[mattograph]

Good observations....but when the MKIIn was released it was simply for a small handful of updates...the most user visible one being a slightly larger LCD.

Considering the Nikon LCD runs circles around the Canon one, it makes more sense to me that Canon does release an MKIIIn sooner instead of later that would include the LCD imprvement some twekas in WB & software as well as a unnanounced change in the AF system ;)


Looks like we got the LCD improvement, courtesy of the 50D.

I think with the release of the new processor, we probably will be seeing a brand new 1D, not an update.

But that's just me.:)

[coldcase]

Looks like we got the LCD improvement, courtesy of the 50D.

I think with the release of the new processor, we probably will be seeing a brand new 1D, not an update.

But that's just me.:)

That's what I think too. 50D already has almost as much features as the current 1DmkIII and tops it in certain areas. Plus, that would, hopefully, put all the AF trouble associated with their 1D model to rest.

I myself am waiting for its replacement. My 40D does its job and I'm looking for weather sealing and better AF. 50D is nice but I'm at where I want to get the benefit of a 1D. If it takes another 6 months so be it. That won't stop me taking pics in the meantime.

[mattograph]

I might be the last one to the party on this, but....

30D=1D MKII=8.2 mp
40D=1D MKIII=10.1 mp
50D=1D MKIV=15.1 mp??

[coldcase]

I might be the last one to the party on this, but....

30D=1D MKII=8.2 mp
40D=1D MKIII=10.1 mp
50D=1D MKIV=15.1 mp??


Makes sense to me ;)

[I Simonius]

[SIZE=3]All this talk about the 5D replacement -snip- but no one is mentioning that theMkIII is just two months short of 18 months replacement cycle, one month if you concider that the MkIII should have come out in April, not May. So it’s time for a MkIII-N or maybe even a MkIV.




Instead of a 5D2? - This possibility doesn't even bear thinking about!:eek:

LOL, that's the funniest thing i'll read today. Well unless I Simonous bumps his thread again tomorrow claming he doesn't bump his thread.

you could always start your own thread you know if you're jealous;)
You'll never catch up though!:p muah ha ha:lol:

[datadump]

IIIn? damn

[gjl711]

Instead of a 5D2? - This possibility doesn't even bear thinking about!:eek:...
I never said instead of…

[I Simonius]

I never said instead of…

phew! (Wipes sweat from brow):lol:

[VTSHEP1]

Well the D3 is fullframe, if they made the 1DIII n fullframe, maybe there is no need for the 5D, i would go for it even if it was a bit more.