50D Leaked on Canon China Site!!!!

[bmxfro]

This was taken from the FredMiranda Boards: :D:D

jarnold wrote:
I was curious since they always seem to leak camera info, so I went digging on their site, and found the 50D specs (no pictures were posted yet.

50D Page (http://www.canon.com.cn/products/camera/eos/50d/)
Translated (http://209.85.171.104/translate_c?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http://www.canon.com.cn/products/camera/eos/50d/&usg=ALkJrhiYV9PNQZjJVCH4N8CyNVArNKM73Q)

and in case they take it down i took a picture...
Summary Page:
Summary (http://img329.imageshack.us/my.php?image=50dspecsls9.jpg)

Full Specs (http://img166.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fullspecsuu0.jpg)


Here's the Rundown:

1.6x crop
15.1MP
Digic 4
Dust Reduction
Auto Brightness Processing
95% viewfinder .97 magnification
9 point af (All Cross Type)
AF Fine Tuning
Face Recognition AF
ISO 100-3200 (Expansion to 6400, 12800)
14-bit image processing
Auto CA correction
In-Camera Anti-Shake
6.3 fps (high speed) 3fps (low speed)
Buffer: 16 RAW - 60 JPG - 10 RAW+JPG
100,000 shutter life
HDMI Output
VGA LCD (920,000 pixel)

Looks like no new full frame this year!

More translated links:

[U]Full Specs (http://209.85.171.104/translate_c?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http://www.canon.com.cn/products/camera/eos/50d/spec.html&usg=ALkJrhgt4H3t1ONBaoVzpvyDxCc1rdH2Rg)

Summary Detail #3 (http://209.85.171.104/translate_c?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http://www.canon.com.cn/products/camera/eos/50d/info3.html&usg=ALkJrhhe4uCN2fH48muaOZ-ZQIHW28Oi-A)

Here is a really odd translation on the anti-shake stuff:
Anti-Shake (http://209.85.171.104/translate_c?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http://www.canon.com.cn/products/camera/eos/50d/info1_3.html&usg=ALkJrhiv321bxC8vOQXN5HAn9dIVII0OZw)
image version of anti-shake:
anti-shake screen cap (http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?image=antishakegc7.jpg)

Edited by jarnold on Aug 21, 2008 at 07:49 PM GMT

So yea... The 50D looks nice! But, on the other hand, looks like there will not be a 5D update :(

[2.8orfaster]

Guess we will see here soon.

I am quite sure, and prey that you are wrong!

[bmxfro]

why should I have top pray? lol! I didn't find it! I found the find!!!
I want a 5DII update as well! That makes the 5D drop in price!

[Jim G]

15.1's a bit of a jump in MP... it'd be interesting to see how that pans out.

[Juan Zas]

Just an incremental model from the 40D ...

Pixel pump up to 15 Mps
ISO native 100-3200 (others are expanded)
Old AF system

About de new things:

New Digic IV ?
New LCD 3" VGA ?
UDMA support
AF microadjustment ??
Face recognition
Auto Brightness correction

[elysium]

"In-Camera Anti-Shake"

Errr whats the point of IS lenses then? I cant see two IS systems working together without causing issues. Would be a major downfall for IS lenses since sales will most likely drop.

[mrklaw]

sounds odd to me.

VGA screen is Nikon copy/paste
face recognition would be live view only and would suggest better AF in live view which isn't mentioned at all
15mp sounds too much for a high end crop
in camera anti shake sounds dodgy too. they've just released two budget IS lenses

nothing else sounds that interesting. Although AF adjustment would be nice.

[farrukh]

"In-Camera Anti-Shake"

Errr whats the point of IS lenses then? I cant see two IS systems working together without causing issues. Would be a major downfall for IS lenses since sales will most likely drop.

Thats translation error. Correction is: In Lens IS

[andrewc]

What photographers want and what Joe Public wants are two different things.

We recognise that in lens IS is probably better as it means the IS is tuned to the lens.

In body IS is probably tempting people towards Sony / Olympus - because it sounds a good feature.

[Ockie]

also shown @ http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=548916

[mrklaw]

15mp on a 1.6 crop and iso 12800 ain't going to be pretty...


....and if it is I'm buying one :P

[coldcase]

Thats translation error. Correction is: In Lens IS

http://www.bobatkins.com/photography/digital/canon_eos_50D.html

At the end of the post it says IS in the lens and makes more sense.

[fura.s28]

I tried to post this morning (Japan Time) but POTN sever collapsed. :)

http://www.canon-dslr.net/digi_bbs/wforum.cgi?list=tree&no=58342&reno=58338&oya=58332&mode=msgview

スペックは以下の通り。
発表日：8月26日
発売日：9月下旬
画素数：1510万画素
液晶：3.0型 92万ドット
連写：6.3コマ秒間
ＡＦ：全点9点
その他：ライブビュー機能、ゴミ取りセンサー進化

[ArenGh]

Where does everyone get off assuming there won't be a 5d replacement? get that out of here.

The whole thing seems pretty fishy to me though

[Juan Zas]

Where does everyone get off assuming there won't be a 5d replacement? get that out of here.

The whole thing seems pretty fishy to me though

Just read Geoff Costello´s post at FM .... interesting reading

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/679757

The good is still to come !!

[mrklaw]

high ISO handling sounds interesting. pixel binning to give bigger virtual pixels makes sense. best of both worlds.

[05Xrunner]

yea what a let down if this is true...I saw all the stuff before it was taken down.
So the only thing over a 40D is micro adjustment, 3" VGA screen, 15mp and thats really about it
What a pathetic attempt to come out with anything to compete with the competition.

[mrklaw]

what were you expecting? microadjustment is only on the 1D bodies, so pretty good if it comes down two levels in Canon's range. everything else is a spec bump. 40D wasn't a huge jump over the 30D.


Perhaps they still have a 60D planned for more direct competition with the D300 next year? the 40D isn't really directly comparable.


And actually if that high ISO is as good as the FM post suggests, then it may be a big improvement over the 40D.



everyone always wants ferraris for focus money

[05Xrunner]

what were you expecting? microadjustment is only on the 1D bodies, so pretty good if it comes down two levels in Canon's range. everything else is a spec bump. 40D wasn't a huge jump over the 30D.


Perhaps they still have a 60D planned for more direct competition with the D300 next year? the 40D isn't really directly comparable.


And actually if that high ISO is as good as the FM post suggests, then it may be a big improvement over the 40D.



everyone always wants ferraris for focus money
I was expecting more then this little weak upgrade to the 40D....Canon got slapped with the D300/D3 and D700 which are soooo packed with features. So what does canon do..Come out with a lackluster NON innovated camera that doesnt even give the competition ANYTHING to even fret about. Micro adjustment...WOOOOO yea its nice but really nothing they give in this new camera really makes it worth anything over the 40D..the MP are not gonna make things better, vga screen is nice but isnt going to make it take better pics, microadustment is nice but they keep using this old ass focus system and old metering. Come up with something new already..been using the same system since the 20D..yea it was good then but its pretty out dated now.

[mrklaw]

VGA screen is suddenly not nice, but when it was on the D300 it was used to kick Canon.

AF on the 40D is supposed to be excellent.


If you wanted a canon D300 then I'd agree you coudl be disappointed. Maybe its too soon for that, and they'll follow up with another model later. Although Canon have always interleaved their models with Nikon, so they may see no need to directly compete?

[05Xrunner]

vga screen is nice but def doesnt make the camera take better pics.
I dont want a D300...whats wrong with trying to stay with the competition and offer a better focus system of like 25points instead of the OLD one they keep recycling over and over...40D might have decent AF but its time they woke up and actually did something new

[Jimmer411]

yea what a let down if this is true...I saw all the stuff before it was taken down.
So the only thing over a 40D is micro adjustment, 3" VGA screen, 15mp and thats really about it
What a pathetic attempt to come out with anything to compete with the competition.



If the price is right that's enough to make me choose the 50D over the 40D.


Not to mention 7.1mp sRAW



My 400D is startin to show its age

[PiRho]

interesting, but I am still a little skeptical...

[mr kipling]

As someone who owned a D300 and loved it's LCD screen, but found many of it's features pointless, and has also had to return two 40D's because of defects, this seems to be the perfect body for me..

Just one thing Canon.. PLEASE give us a decent grip like Nikon's, with a joystick, grippy rubber all over and some proper ergonomics, not another horrible tumor shaped thing that we always have to put up with!! :evil: :rolleyes:

[crazyskillz07]

Just one thing Canon.. PLEASE give us a decent grip like Nikon's, with a joystick, grippy rubber all over and some proper ergonomics, not another horrible tumor shaped thing that we always have to put up with!! :evil: :rolleyes:
x2.

[pknight]

I have to agree that it is ironic that suddenly the improved LCD and microadjustment capabilty are meaningless, when they have probably been the most touted Nikon features among the gripers.

[leadweight]

Don't bother me with the details, Canon needs to do something fast. Canon has dynamite offerings with the 450D and 1000D but simply does not have a market leader over $750 and under $8000. Nikon owns that space right now. No wonder we see pictures of press boxes that are no longer dominated by white lenses.

[05Xrunner]

I have to agree that it is ironic that suddenly the improved LCD and microadjustment capabilty are meaningless, when they have probably been the most touted Nikon features among the gripers.
no one said they are bad..but to toss those in and a few mp and call it a new camera kinda sucks

[mrklaw]

no one said they are bad..but to toss those in and a few mp and call it a new camera kinda sucks


bit too soon to condemn it without waiting to see what it really has, based purely on a summary list.

usable ISO 6400 for example was high on many people's lists. AF microadjustment similarly. Both of those are big improvements

[gjl711]

Am I the only one excited over this news? I have the $$$ saved up as I have had a decent year and looking over the specs, Canons got my $$$ precisely for micro-focus adjustments, better LCD, native ISO3200 and a bump of resolution. I would have love to see a better AF but those features alone make an upgrade worthwhile to me.

[TheHoff]

Am I the only one excited over this news? I have the $$$ saved up as I have had a decent year and looking over the specs, Canons got my $$$ precisely for micro-focus adjustments, better LCD, native ISO3200 and a bump of resolution. I would have love to see a better AF but those features alone make an upgrade worthwhile to me.

Sounds good to me. It spells good things for the full frame upgraded model as it will have all of this plus some.

[hitmanh]

Am I the only one excited over this news? I have the $$$ saved up as I have had a decent year and looking over the specs, Canons got my $$$ precisely for micro-focus adjustments, better LCD, native ISO3200 and a bump of resolution. I would have love to see a better AF but those features alone make an upgrade worthwhile to me.

I'm not excited as such (I'm happy with my 40d), but I'm certianly not disappointed, I never expected a canon d300.
What is getting me interested is the 5DmkII, now that is exciting :D

[JC4]

Sounds good to me. It spells good things for the full frame upgraded model as it will have all of this plus some.

As long as they don't stick with the 9-point AF on the FF model. Which I see as possible. I doubt Canon will have a unique AF system on the 5d-II, and it also won't have the 1d AF system. That leaves the 50d's AF :(

[ArenGh]

i just want that 5d to come out within the next month. I don't even have a camera anymore. I sold mine with really high expectations. you know when you're someplace and you think WOW I really wish I had my camera right now.

well... i get that except its way more depressing because I don't even have one. My phone doesn't even have a camera!

At this rate I think its time I carry around a note book and some color pencils

[05Xrunner]

As long as they don't stick with the 9-point AF on the FF model. Which I see as possible. I doubt Canon will have a unique AF system on the 5d-II, and it also won't have the 1d AF system. That leaves the 50d's AF :(
that is a pretty depressing thought huh....They try and make all these changes but still keep using a focus system thats 4years old that is now far behind the competition.

[TheHoff]

i just want that 5d to come out within the next month. I don't even have a camera anymore. I sold mine with really high expectations.

I don't get this. What did you save by selling so early? A few hundred bucks? And now you're without any sort of camera... for months or more.

[ArenGh]

I don't get this. What did you save by selling so early? A few hundred bucks? And now you're without any sort of camera... for months or more.
It was a 20d... so I don't think it would have made any difference whether I waited another month or two or not... I just found a very convenient buyer.

[TheHoff]

It was a 20d... so I don't think it would have made any difference whether I waited another month or two or not... I just found a very convenient buyer.

Well you can't complain to Canon about being slow... we all know when Photokina happens and you didn't gain anything by selling early anyway -- so would you have sold the camera again in hindsight?

[ArenGh]

Well you can't complain to Canon about being slow... we all know when Photokina happens and you didn't gain anything by selling early anyway -- so would you have sold the camera again in hindsight?
lol... yeah I actually would have. I'm not so much mad at Canon as I am letting my anxiety get to best of me.

[dandig]

I have to say that peoples reaction to this camera is pretty weird. Canon has addressed a couple of issue that people have been complaining about and now those features seem to be thought of as meaningless....

Whats is the problem with it only being a small upgrade from a 40d (if you can call a 15 megapixel sensor in a pro-sumer body a small upgrade?)

I think people are missing the point, you have to look at the camera on its own, the 40d was great and this is clearly going to be better so this will be an awesome camera. With a huge proportion of sales from this category of camera going to regular joes and not pros, Canon is not ONLY targeting people who own the 40d with this, they are targeting people with a 20d,30d. And from that camera this is a HUGE step up. Not all people in this sector can keep up with the 18 month turnover that canon has had in this range, unlike pros who can new gear whenever it comes out as part of their business.

It seems like people with the 40d are dissapointed? Consider yourself lucky then you just saved yourself $1500 by not having to get a 50d and you still have a great camera. Now go and buy that lense you always wanted because that will last you 10 years instead of 18 months.....

[Pat H]

Gah! Tried to post this story about 20 times but POTN crashed. Oh well :mad:

I'm really liking the specs on this thing. I'm not at the point yet where I need anything more advanced like the upcoming 5D MkII, so this should be perfect for me. May have to consider selling the XT :)

[05Xrunner]

i have a 1DII and I am very dissapointed...this is what i was really hoping for in the next body
-Body of the 40D w/grip but all integrated like a 1Series
-30 focus points with center cross and diagonal like the 40D and rest are 5.6 and faster cross..15 Selectable and 15 are assist.
-ISO 3200 with 6400 expandable(clean)
-1.6x crop with 12MP and FF 16MP
-3" VGA LCD, live view with contrast detection AF
-7-7.5fps 90jpg 25 raw 1.6x, 5fps 90 jpg 20 raw FF
-63 area metering like 1 Series
-14 Bit
-Micro Adjustment
No dial on top..Same type of setup as the 1D..press the Buttons to access the shooting mode.

what would be soooo hard about this..If they built this it would trump those Nikon cameras

[TheHoff]

Are you serious? You're asking for all the 1D like items and this is TWO levels down into consumer level territory, not even pro-sumer / consumer like the 5D. I agree with dandig, this is a pretty nicely specc'ed camera, now we'll see how the ISO and AF performance is before making a real judgment.

[Pat H]

i have a 1DII and I am very dissapointed...this is what i was really hoping for in the next body
-Body of the 40D w/grip but all integrated like a 1Series
-30 focus points with center cross and diagonal like the 40D and rest are 5.6 and faster cross..15 Selectable and 15 are assist.
-ISO 3200 with 6400 expandable(clean)
-1.6x crop with 12MP and FF 16MP
-3" VGA LCD, live view with contrast detection AF
-7-7.5fps 90jpg 25 raw 1.6x, 5fps 90 jpg 20 raw FF
-63 area metering like 1 Series
-14 Bit
-Micro Adjustment
No dial on top..Same type of setup as the 1D..press the Buttons to access the shooting mode.

what would be soooo hard about this..If they built this it would trump those Nikon cameras

Well you've got 12,800 ISO on this thing, but I'm sure at that level it will look like crap. Maybe the 6400 will be more usable.

And IMO at least, the integrated grip should stay a 1 series exclusive. No real reasoning, I just think it has become s staple of the camera and should stay that way. But all the major accessory manufacturers will be making grips so If I decide to buy it's not such a bother for me. Canon would probably charge more if it was built in (more metal body to construct). This keeps the price down.

[05Xrunner]

Are you serious? You're asking for all the 1D like items and this is TWO levels down into consumer level territory, not even pro-sumer / consumer like the 5D. I agree with dandig, this is a pretty nicely specc'ed camera, now we'll see how the ISO and AF performance is before making a real judgment.
How is that...a new focus system. Not close to what the 1D has..but something better and new, better metering..whats wrong with that. And the top button mode selection. thats really all that is close but still far off. canon is starting to come out with some boring stuff lately

[Skippy29]

90% of the people complaining about the 50D only having 9 AF points only use the center focus point anyway :lol:

So far, the specs seems like a natural progession up from the 40D at about the same speed as they have up from the 10D. I am happily surprised by it being 15 megapixels though, I would have bet money it was only going to jump up to 12. So good job Canon! And anyone who thinks having a 15 megapixel sensor do 6.3 FPS is slower compared to a 10 megapixel doing 6.5 has bumped their head.

In a couple of years everyone is going to wonder how we all used to get by without adjustable AF...

[05Xrunner]

90% of the people complaining about the 50D only having 9 AF points only use the center focus point anyway :lol:

you know this how?

[mrklaw]

what will all the front focus fretters do now?

[gjl711]

what will all the front focus fretters do now?
Fix it. :)

[TheHoff]

They will keep taking out of focus pictures at too low of a shutter speed, of course.

[vkalia]

I really dont get some of the things that people are complaining about.

30 pt vs 50 pt vs XX pt metering? GMAFB. Spend a little bit of time with the camera and you learn how to expose for any given light. As long as the meter is consistent, that's the only thing that matters. Number of metering zones is pure specssmanship.

Ok, more AF points would be nice, but I can live with 9-13 points arranging in a rectangle, as opposed to that funky diamond. I can even live with the current 9pt AF - it is excellent: fast, precise and, IMO, better than the D300's AF (I've compared the two while tracking a flying peregrine falcon... the 40D did a better job matching up).

What revolutionary features do people want on their camera? GPS? Wifi? Bigger, larger numbers? Again - GMAFB. Will they help you take better images? No. They are just numbers and specs.

15MP over 10MP is a significant improvement, especially if the high ISO performance is better (or even the same).. and so far, I see no reason to expect this to not be the case. This is HUGE. It actually affects image quality, unlike pointless features like a VGA screen. Add in 6+ FPS for 16 RAW images and you have a camera that approaches the performance of 1-series when it comes to speed and AF accuracy.

The 50D looks like it will be the best performing crop body on the market when it comes to IQ. And people are complaining? Huh?

Vandit

[TheHoff]

^^^ a -freakin- men

Metering points as a feature demand is ridiculous. Your most consistent sets of images will be taken in M mode... whenever you decide to get there.

[gjl711]

..., unlike pointless features like a VGA screen. ...
I disagree totally. As a macro and landscape shooter, the current screen for live view is a joke. You can not get that critical focus, you focus until it looks least blurry especially when zoomed in at 10x. It works, but it is definitely not good. A res increase of 4x will greatly help.

[Car2n]

I too am glad to hear this news. I've been watching it closely. I agree that the 50D is not intended as a new upgrade from the 40D. It's geared for a new owner or someone upgrading from a 10, 20, 30D, XT or XTi.
I own the XTi and have been holding off buying a 40D because I had a feeling something newer was around the corner. I was willing to wait it out rather than buy a 40D and see a new model released a few months later.
C'mon Canon, announce it and get it on the shelves!! :D

[Tsmith]

I disagree totally. As a macro and landscape shooter, the current screen for live view is a joke. You can not get that critical focus, you focus until it looks least blurry especially when zoomed in at 10x. It works, but it is definitely not good. A res increase of 4x will greatly help.

Well said

[JC4]

I for one was not complaining about the 50d features. They look good, and I may even upgrade my 40d. My concern is purely what the same-old AF system means for a 5d-II.

[Keith R]

I can even live with the current 9pt AF - it is excellent: fast, precise and, IMO, better than the D300's AF (I've compared the two while tracking a flying peregrine falcon... the 40D did a better job matching up).

Well said, Vandit - I could not agree more.

One AF "improvement" that would be useful is the ability to dial in a delay before the AF starts to "seek" again if it comes off the subject.

As you know the 40D's AF will try and re-acquire instantly (which is the source of pretty much all of the complaints about its AF, IMHO - even though if we raise our game and try harder to keep the AF point where we want it, the "problem" largely disappears) and if we could selectively dial in a little delay before it starts to re-focus, it would further improve the number of BIF keepers we get, especially against "busy" backgrounds.

Apart from that, the only thing I would love to see on the 50D is "native" AF at f/8 - then our 400mm f/5.6 lenses would work with 1.4x TCs without having to muck around with taping pins (which for many of us doesn't work on the 40D anyway).

This alone would see me upgrading unless the 50D went horribly wrong somewhere else...

[gooble]

i have a 1DII and I am very dissapointed...this is what i was really hoping for in the next body
-Body of the 40D w/grip but all integrated like a 1Series
-30 focus points with center cross and diagonal like the 40D and rest are 5.6 and faster cross..15 Selectable and 15 are assist.
-ISO 3200 with 6400 expandable(clean)
-1.6x crop with 12MP and FF 16MP
-3" VGA LCD, live view with contrast detection AF
-7-7.5fps 90jpg 25 raw 1.6x, 5fps 90 jpg 20 raw FF
-63 area metering like 1 Series
-14 Bit
-Micro Adjustment
No dial on top..Same type of setup as the 1D..press the Buttons to access the shooting mode.

what would be soooo hard about this..If they built this it would trump those Nikon cameras

So you basically want the 1D IV with a 1.6 crop for under $2,000? Yeah, I can't believe they didn't do that.:rolleyes:

[05Xrunner]

So you basically want the 1D IV with a 1.6 crop for under $2,000? Yeah, I can't believe they didn't do that.:rolleyes:
did I mention ANYTHING about price...I said this is what would be nice in a next body...I love how people add their own to each of it. $2000 would be a good price for that on a 1.6x and 3000 for FF

[mattograph]

Wait....... Do we believe this rumor???

[vkalia]

I disagree totally. As a macro and landscape shooter, the current screen for live view is a joke. You can not get that critical focus, you focus until it looks least blurry especially when zoomed in at 10x. It works, but it is definitely not good. A res increase of 4x will greatly help.

Landscape photography has been done for quite a long time with excellent results using the optical finder. Absolute micro-precision with AF is not needed, especially as you are going to stop down. While you are of course entitled to your preferences, I personally dont think that a VGA LCD finder is needed for landscapes.

For macros, I find 10x on the current LCD looks like crap, but still shows enough info to AF accurately. I agree, however, that it would help in such sorts of shooting. But I wonder what percentage of the people baying for high-res LCDs here shoot high-mag macros using Liveview?

I stand by what I wrote: with its current specs, the 50D becomes the best APS-C body in the market at present.

Vandit

[TheHoff]

Wait....... Do we believe this rumor???

If you check the FM thread, the page was still up on the Canon site while people were talking about it (1 AM this morning or something?)

[05Xrunner]

Wait....... Do we believe this rumor???
what rumor...the 50D that was posted on canon own site...or just the stuff I said would be nice if they made

[MattD]

i was thinking about upgrading (from my 30D) to the new 5d.....but Im thinking a 50D (is these specs are correct) might be the better option.

BTW....incase this spec is incorrect, does anyone agree with me that if canon cannot match them (with the new 50d) that people will be mighty pissed off, and it will have a negative effect on canons reputation and sales?

[mattograph]

If you check the FM thread, the page was still up on the Canon site while people were talking about it (1 AM this morning or something?)


Hmmmm. I have not been shooting long enough to have been through the rumor mill a few times.

*giggles to self with enthusiasm*

Cool.

[gary88]

If these specs are true, this is going to turn out to be a mighty fine camera. I just wish they would have weathersealed it (who knows, maybe they will). Little rubber gaskets shouldn't be a 1D only feature.

[KayakPhotos]

You are very right Gary. Why make a camera perfect for wildlife and sports shooting without any weather sealing?

[gooble]

Just read Geoff Costello´s post at FM .... interesting reading

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/679757

The good is still to come !!

Who is Geoff Costello? Does he know what he's talking about?

[crazyskillz07]

You guys are all going to see one angry Turkish man if I don't see a 1D Mark III N released. And I don't get what there is to complain about. The 50D seems to be an awesome camera for its price range so long as it remains where the 30d and 40d started out. It is just silly to ask for the 50D to be just like or better than the 1 series camera.

[ArenGh]

A lot of you are spoiled. I've been using a 20d for 3 years and let me tell you, I'd LOVE to have that 50d. It's better than the 20d by leaps and bounds... and when the 20d was released everyone was on it's wagon.

[mattograph]

Hey, does this mean we don't need the 5D MK II?

[gooble]

I wonder if this was leaked on purpose to gauge the public response and allow them time to adjust the specs.

For me this 50D sounds good, they just need to get rid of the print button, add a mirror lockup button and a dedicated bracketing button would be nice. Also 3 or 5 frame bracketing would be good as well as real weather sealing. If they added these things and ISO 6400 were usable I'd be in.

[gjl711]

I wonder if this was leaked on purpose to gauge the public response and allow them time to adjust the specs.
...
But it wasn’t leaked to the public. The way this was leaked, only forums would be discussing and forum members, especially in HWD forums are a different breed. ;):)

[Jimmer411]

For all the people that want a MLU button how many actually use it on a high enough bases to warrant it being there?

Also correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't MLU able to be set to the custom dial?


I think 1 button that can be set to various functions of choice like nikon has would be a great addition.

[gjl711]

Well, at least the direct print button has not been removed. Loosing that button would be a travesty and deal breaker. ;)

[mattograph]

For all the people that want a MLU button how many actually use it on a high enough bases to warrant it being there?

Also correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't MLU able to be set to the custom dial?


I think 1 button that can be set to various functions of choice like nikon has would be a great addition.

If canon puts a MLU button on the camera, and people used it, I would bet they would see a decrease of about 20% of their OOF shots.

I would use it for:

Ebay stuff
Landscapes
Food
Real Estate
Nudes

[mrklaw]

For all the people that want a MLU button how many actually use it on a high enough bases to warrant it being there?

Also correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't MLU able to be set to the custom dial?


I think 1 button that can be set to various functions of choice like nikon has would be a great addition.


you can set it in one of your custom presets, or - like me - you can set it to be the first item on the 'my menu' and set that to be the first page displayed. So I'm two clicks from mirror lockup - press menu then press select.

but I would like a custom button. I think the 40D has one, but it isn't very flexible (i.e everything you can choose to do with it is rubbish)

[TheHoff]

I think everything will be headed towards more and more customizability with the menus and buttons as we go into the next generation. You should, on any xxD or above camera, be able to switch around the dial functions, change the print to MLU, etc. Even if they make advanced amateurs turn on or enable extra menu screens to get to all the goodies, they should make it available since the camera can do that sort of thing (buttons are buttons, the firmware makes them perform the function they do).

[scokar]

...15MP over 10MP is a significant improvement...Vandit

Generally in the past it has been said:

"8 instead of 6? not that big of a deal"
"10 instead of 8? not that big of a deal"
"12 instead of 10? not that big of a deal"

But this? this is significant? now?

However, I agree with your general point (as I understand it) that xxD models will only get incremental improvements and people should not be surprised by canon's consistency.

[sadatk]

I'd like to see how that new DIGIC IV performs. I'm going to guess it's pretty good since they're finally letting out 6400 and 12800.

[PhotoJourno]

For whatever it is worth, the translation from the document was flawed, and there is no in-body IS in the leaked 50D model specs.

So if the 50D is imaginary, then it NOT have an imaginary IS system in-body.

[Dragos Jianu]

Megapixel overkill + catching up on a couple of features (not all) = i won't hold my breath. We'll see. Did they even mention weather sealing ? Never mind! Only 1D can have that...and K200D, and K20D and E3 and D300 and D700... *Prozac time to fend of cheap marketing*. :)
Who knows might help a few lost souls from jumping the boat :) Time will tell

I wonder if anyone committed harakiri yet over the in-body IS blunder. Managed to get people overexcited and disappointed even before the actual announcement.
Sorry, I'm not usually such a Grinch :)

[Nortelbert]

Generally in the past it has been said:

"8 instead of 6? not that big of a deal"
"10 instead of 8? not that big of a deal"
"12 instead of 10? not that big of a deal"

But this? this is significant? now?

However, I agree with your general point (as I understand it) that xxD models will only get incremental improvements and people should not be surprised by canon's consistency.

'cause it's 50%, not 33% or 25% or 20% :-)

I do agree that there's a lot of whining (as always). Canon is more interested in bringing in people from the X00 series lines to the x0 series, or new customers altogether, than say moving from the 40 to the 50. I'm still saving my pennies for the 5D II or whatever it is.

[PhotoJourno]

I am just looking at The Hoff on this one. If he goes on a murderous rampage on Monday after the Canon announcements, then I will know the announced models were not the right ones.

Can't wait also for some speculation threads to go away.

[TheHoff]

Mine is the only baseless speculation thread you need.

And if Canon Japan does not follow the model upgrade path I've specified, well, they've wasted their consulting fee.

[mattograph]

I'd like to see how that new DIGIC IV performs. I'm going to guess it's pretty good since they're finally letting out 6400 and 12800.


Here is the real question. What camera does the Digic 4 debut on?

Translation: If this defines the 50D, what else is waiting in the wings?:)

[PhotoJourno]

Very good and bad news I just discovered.

The next gen 5D started under development by Canon Japan earlier in the year.

The first working prototype of the device is stored inside this vehicle. (http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/267568main_4698hires.jpg)

[chemosabe]

i like....

[crazyskillz07]

Someone made a video of the 50D ALREADY?!?!? HERE

[PhotoJourno]

"No one, puts ricky in a corner".. Or was it baby?

Cool video !!!... Rick Astley forever !!!

(PM me if you wish to join the thriving 12 members fan club)

[TheHoff]

Someone made a video of the 50D ALREADY?!?!? HERE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU)

I have reported your Rickroll attempt as your deception has offended me.

[silvex]

yea what a let down if this is true...I saw all the stuff before it was taken down.
So the only thing over a 40D is micro adjustment, 3" VGA screen, 15mp and thats really about it
What a pathetic attempt to come out with anything to compete with the competition.


Bye bye soft lenses...specially when you rent...that is a GREAT upgrade!!!

[silvex]

This is like an 1D MkII on a crop body WITH improved fps and AF...what else do you need ? shoot witht 800L (1280 crop factor included) and if you crop half the frame...you still have 8x10 FULL size...WOW!!!

[05Xrunner]

This is like an 1D MkII on a crop body WITH improved fps and AF...what else do you need ?
WHAT

[apersson850]

Are you serious? You're asking for all the 1D like items and this is TWO levels down into consumer level territory, not even pro-sumer / consumer like the 5D.It's only one level down. The 5D and the 40D are today on the same level. They are just targeting different needs and associated with different costs, just like the 1Ds and the 1D.

[Franko515]

yea what a let down if this is true...I saw all the stuff before it was taken down.
So the only thing over a 40D is micro adjustment, 3" VGA screen, 15mp and thats really about it
What a pathetic attempt to come out with anything to compete with the competition.

And DIGIC IV (and its unknown at this time, but may improve IQ along with the 15mp)


IMO this will be a good update

[Franko515]

It's only one level down. The 5D and the 40D are today on the same level. They are just targeting different needs and associated with different costs, just like the 1Ds and the 1D.

:rolleyes:

I dont believe this to be true, how are these cameras the same level?

[apersson850]

They are one level down from the professional 1D(s) camera, in their respective segment (either image quality or quick handling priority).

[PhotoJourno]

It's only one level down. The 5D and the 40D are today on the same level. They are just targeting different needs and associated with different costs, just like the 1Ds and the 1D.

Maybe there is a better way to explain it.
For pro use, the 1D3 is the premier body out there (for canon),
and the 1Ds3 for Full frame use of the same.

For prosumers, the 40D is the latest release from Canon,
and the 5D is the latest full Frame prosumer Camera.

The way I understand it, this is why they are in the same level. totally agree.

I do wish all 5D users would be able to get a camera with the 1Ds Mark III functionality and more, for the price of a 5D. Hell, I'd even buy one. But, it is impossible.

So if there is a 5D replacement, we can safely expect it to be a similar feature comparison between itself, and the 1Ds Mark 2, as it is was the lower cost full frame camera.

[Franko515]

Maybe there is a better way to explain it.
For pro use, the 1D3 is the premier body out there (for canon),
and the 1Ds3 for Full frame use of the same.

For prosumers, the 40D is the latest release from Canon,
and the 5D is the latest full Frame prosumer Camera.

The way I understand it, this is why they are in the same level. totally agree.

I do wish all 5D users would be able to get a camera with the 1Ds Mark III functionality and more, for the price of a 5D. Hell, I'd even buy one. But, it is impossible.

So if there is a 5D replacement, we can safely expect it to be a similar feature comparison between itself, and the 1Ds Mark 2, as it is was the lower cost full frame camera.

This kinda clears things up. I still dont agree but I do see where you guys are coming from.

[apersson850]

Well, this of course starts with considering the 1D and the 1Ds being on an identical level, just targeted for different needs. If you don't accept that, then nothing else will make sense either.

[lungdoc]

The 30D and 5D are almost identical in terms of everything but (and it is a big but) the sensor. If you consider that like film in the old days the cameras themselves are otherwise extremely similar.

I think the 50D seems a reasonable if not earth shattering upgrade. Like most such upgrades it holds much more appeal to those with bodies a generation or two behind like 20-30D then it does to those with the most recent. As a 30D owner I'll be tempted; ESPECIALLY if the ISO's of 6400 or more prove realistic (even if with 7.5mp sRAW). The ability to shoot with an f4 lens where previously only 2.8 would do is a major attraction - the weight and dollar savings on that alone could be huge.

[BrantG]

If the posted specs are accurate, this seems like a decent camera.

[mizouse]

i hope the pixel binning and sraw1 and sraw2 are true.

[ArenGh]

Hey

im still all messed up thinking about how all I have right now is a lens and a flash (and no camera to put it on)

[nureality]

"In-Camera Anti-Shake"

Errr whats the point of IS lenses then? I cant see two IS systems working together without causing issues. Would be a major downfall for IS lenses since sales will most likely drop.

I dunno about that. Especially in the realm of the prime super-tele's. There aren't many non-IS super tele's left in the line-up.

And if its a feature of the camera you can turn it off too.

If they figure a way to use 2 IS systems in unison to achieve more stops of IS, that would be killer. And as far as the lenses they never intend to update with IS this is a major upgrade for those. As well as a major upgrade for users of alternative lenses (like my trusty Peleng 8mm f/3.5)

[Headcase650]

Any one notice on the leaked specs that they are still going to use the BG-E2N. Craptastic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They couldn't come up with a magnesium alloy one built like the 5D's that included the AF/on button? I don't think anyone from canon actually reads any of the canon forums.

I notice that auto ISO is now spread between 100-1600. I just hope you can select it in manual mode so one could define AV/TV and float the ISO for proper exposure.

[TheHoff]

Any one notice on the leaked specs that they are still going to use the BG-E2N. Craptastic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They couldn't come up with a magnesium alloy one built like the 5D's that included the AF/on button? I don't think anyone from canon actually reads any of the canon forums.

I notice that auto ISO is now spread between 100-1600. I just hope you can select it in manual mode so one could define AV/TV and float the ISO for proper exposure.

As a 5D M shooter I would appreciate any sort of auto ISO for when conditions are changing rapidly.

And the 5D's grip isn't anything special. With the battery shape / layout, it makes for a brick on the bottom. The finish is not the same as the camera; the grip has rubbed off the black on the corner where it swings against my clothes.

[Headcase650]

But they could redesign the grip so that the cameras battery port still holds the original battery, the grip could contain one battery using the small port like the wireless transfer grip, make the thing much more ergonomic and include the AF/ON button. I think they are just being lazy in the design department or dont want to change it so they can unload all the BG-E2N's on 50D buyers.

[mattograph]

But they could redesign the grip so that the cameras battery port still holds the original battery, the grip could contain one battery using the small port like the wireless transfer grip, make the thing much more ergonomic and include the AF/ON button. I think they are just being lazy in the design department or dont want to change it so they can unload all the BG-E2N's on 50D buyers.

I wish that they would take all the xxD bodies, and make them about an inch taller. Use that space to integrate a higher capacity battery. Charge me $150 for it, and put the vertical controls on it.

The camera would be easier to handle, no grip needed, and you would be able to reach the quick dial from the vertical shooting position.

[gdl357]

I wish that they would take all the xxD bodies, and make them about an inch taller. Use that space to integrate a higher capacity battery. Charge me $150 for it, and put the vertical controls on it.

The camera would be easier to handle, no grip needed, and you would be able to reach the quick dial from the vertical shooting position.

Then you would be taking away their Grip sales. Knowing Canon, they would raise the price of the cam $150 and sell u the grip also.

[gary88]

I wish that they would take all the xxD bodies, and make them about an inch taller. Use that space to integrate a higher capacity battery. Charge me $150 for it, and put the vertical controls on it.

The camera would be easier to handle, no grip needed, and you would be able to reach the quick dial from the vertical shooting position.

That's called the 1D series ;)

I personally like the "brick" feeling on my XTi grip, fills up the entire palm of my hand. I just wish they would design it to fit the shape of the camera better.

[Tee Why]

I would have liked 12MP, better noise control, better ergonomics, bigger/brighter viewfinder, higher resolution LCD, improved AF performance, and a smaller body.

Could really care less about 15MP, sounds a bit too much for my needs since I'm not making mural sized prints. Remember, it was just one generation ago that the top of the line pro body (1DsMII) was using 16MP.

With 15MP, if they can just keep the noise level comparable to the 40D I'd be impressed.

I'm happy with the 30D and would consider upgrading if high ISO is significantly better or it offers a really increased dynamic range. I guess tests will show how it performs.

[fiveFPS]

wow look at the ISO expansion high levels =)

[silvex]

AI don't think anyone from canon actually reads any of the canon forums.


They do read them and some of the tech support are photogs themself

[silvex]

I would have liked 12MP, better noise control, better ergonomics, bigger/brighter viewfinder, higher resolution LCD, improved AF performance, and a smaller body.

Could really care less about 15MP, sounds a bit too much for my needs since I'm not making mural sized prints. Remember, it was just one generation ago that the top of the line pro body (1DsMII) was using 16MP.

With 15MP, if they can just keep the noise level comparable to the 40D I'd be impressed.

I'm happy with the 30D and would consider upgrading if high ISO is significantly better or it offers a really increased dynamic range. I guess tests will show how it performs.

Smaller body ? nope! I think the 40D is just a 'hair' bigger then the 30D and it is much better. I agree a 12MP wih way improved ISO would have been great, but if the keep the 40D ISO handling at 15MP even better!! I think lots of folks will use this for many uses, since the 15MP gives you a lot of leverage. With some of the UWA lenses in the market toki 11-16, ef10-22 you can do some seriuos landscape shooting. For portraits the 15MP it is even better, the same goes for sports. You canprint poster size without issues.

I just hope the price stays at $1,200USD and $3,000 for the 5DMkII.

[lungdoc]

One could consider, with cropping, a jump from a 30D to 50D to give one a nice free teleconvertor.

[gjl711]

..bigger/brighter viewfinder,...Unfortunatly, in an opticl system, those two rarely go together. In the 40 they are already using very high quality optical glass pretty much through the whole system. THe only way to make it brighter is put some faster glass in front of the camera. Any increase in size is going to dwcrease the brightness as well.

[vkalia]

One AF "improvement" that would be useful is the ability to dial in a delay before the AF starts to "seek" again if it comes off the subject.

Apart from that, the only thing I would love to see on the 50D is "native" AF at f/8 - then our 400mm f/5.6 lenses would work with 1.4x TCs without having to muck around with taping pins (which for many of us doesn't work on the 40D anyway).


Unless Canon is feeling particularly benevolent, I dont think they'll give us the AF at f8... they still have to keep something apart for the 1D bodies, I guess. A CF to adjust the AF seek time would be super indeed, I agree. A third CF I'd like to see is an ability to set focus-priority or shooting-priority independent of AF mode (One Shot currently is focus priority, Servo is shooting priority).

I think (and I could be wrong) that the 50D has a lot more CFs, so perhaps they'll give us one or more of these features....

Vandit

[mrklaw]

I just hope the price stays at $1,200USD and $3,000 for the 5DMkII.

this is the key issue IMO. you can either have D300/D700 equalling/beating cameras and pay more for them, or pay the same and accept slightly lower specs.

Canon currently seems to be happy sitting slightly below Nikon on pricing and specs. Those of us clamouring for something to smash Nikon over the head with will most likely be the same ones complaining if Canon also match Nikon on pricing.

[t60p]

Interesting specs, but I never knew that the Canon China site had an English version.

[mattograph]

Interesting specs, but I never knew that the Canon China site had an English version.


Olympics. Everything is bilingual for august, until all the pros go home.

[gjl711]

this is the key issue IMO. you can either have D300/D700 equalling/beating cameras and pay more for them, or pay the same and accept slightly lower specs.... Or you can have both. Canon really lack from something between the 40D and the MkIII both price and performance wise. I would gladly pay for a camera the size of the 40D but with the performance of the MkIII. The problem as I see it is that the 40D is way too close to the 400D/450D having nearly identical specs, slightly better performance, and better build. I would love to see even the 40D with 1D focus and I would be willing to pay.

[Skippy29]

I would love to see even the 40D with 1D focus and I would be willing to pay.

I agree. I don't want the size or build quality, just the performance.

[mrklaw]

Or you can have both. Canon really lack from something between the 40D and the MkIII both price and performance wise. I would gladly pay for a camera the size of the 40D but with the performance of the MkIII. The problem as I see it is that the 40D is way too close to the 400D/450D having nearly identical specs, slightly better performance, and better build. I would love to see even the 40D with 1D focus and I would be willing to pay.

I agree. but thats like saying you want a D300. In which case you'll be paying more than 40D money for it.

I'm not disagreeing - I'd be tempted too. I'm just saying its unreasonable to expect that spec for the same price as the current 40D.

[gjl711]

...I'm just saying its unreasonable to expect that spec for the same price as the current 40D. Yes, the same spec at a 40D price would be nice but unreasonable, but a body between the 40D and MkIII as say the low $2000 would be sweet. Actually I would spring for a 1D if it was only offered in a smaller form.

[HyperYagami]

Olympics. Everything is bilingual for august, until all the pros go home.

the page was babelfish'd.

no olympics doesn't make chinese suddenly speak english.

[mattograph]

the page was babelfish'd.

no olympics doesn't make chinese suddenly speak english.

I was joking.:)

[t60p]

Olympics. Everything is bilingual for august, until all the pros go home.

Really? That's strange because every day I've been looking at the site I haven't seen any English. Would you kindly show me where the English site is located, thanks.

[t60p]

I was joking.:)

I see.

[t60p]

the page was babelfish'd.



I wonder was the page babelfish'd or everybody just been babel'had:lol:

[philmar]

wouldn't everyone be better off spending their time trying to learn how to take better photographs instead of nitpicking specs about non-existent cameras?

Learn how to take good photos, not drool over future cameras. We all have the tools today to take great photos....a more expensive body that has features you don't even know how to use isn't a concern for me.

[TheHoff]

If you're going to come into the rumour forum and complain about people obsessed with gear, it might be appropriate to not list every single piece of photo equipment you own in your signature.

Just a thought.

[PhotoJourno]

wouldn't everyone be better off spending their time trying to learn how to take better photographs instead of nitpicking specs about non-existent cameras?

Learn how to take good photos, not drool over future cameras. We all have the tools today to take great photos....a more expensive body that has features you don't even know how to use isn't a concern for me.

If you can't beat them, join'em ;).

I hear the 50D will come with a free copy of Photoshop CS3 Pro.

Also, as said by me above, the mistranslation of mandarin would lead you to think that there is in-camera IS, but all it said was that IS was possible through use of IS capable lenses. (entirely different idea, and nothing different for us).

5D II will not be announced until April of 2009, because of some AF problems.

[RikWriter]

wouldn't everyone be better off spending their time trying to learn how to take better photographs instead of nitpicking specs about non-existent cameras?

Learn how to take good photos, not drool over future cameras. We all have the tools today to take great photos....a more expensive body that has features you don't even know how to use isn't a concern for me.

Same old tired rant.
It comes down to this: there are photographs I want to take and can't for camera hardware reasons. They almost all involve high-ISO, fast shutter speed shots or long exposure shots. Perhaps I could solve that problem by buying a 1D MKIII but I can't afford one.
If you have a problem with people talking about gear, not frequenting the gear rumors section would probably take care of it.

[PhotoJourno]

Same old tired rant.
...
If you have a problem with people talking about gear, not frequenting the gear rumors section would probably take care of it.


Yeah!!!...

Wait.. wha..?

Nothing wrong with discussing could-be gear. I love to do it myself!..
Though I must admit these threads abound lately in just about every Technically oriented sections of the forums. It does get a bit tiring.

So let's keep rummoring (rummaging?) on, and keep from getting personal, is my hope and wish for this special evening tonight. :)

[vkalia]

If you're going to come into the rumour forum and complain about people obsessed with gear, it might be appropriate to not list every single piece of photo equipment you own in your signature.

Hehe.... touche.

I actually empathize with Philmar, though. It seems that a lot of the "feature wantlist" is driven by a desire to match Nikon's specs feature by feature, and not by any specific image-making requirements. Otherwise, why would people ignore a 50% resolution increase with a purported noise improvement, and fixate on mostly irrelevant features?

Vandit

[vkalia]

Same old tired rant.
It comes down to this: there are photographs I want to take and can't for camera hardware reasons. They almost all involve high-ISO, fast shutter speed shots or long exposure shots. Perhaps I could solve that problem by buying a 1D MKIII but I can't afford one.

Out of curiosity, what shots would these be? I am trying to think of any shots that I can take with my 1D2 that I cannot take with my 40D, and I really cannot think of any. The 1D2 does a few things slightly better, but nothing radically so. I dont mean this is a challenge, btw- I am genuinely curious.

Vandit

[royv]

:eek:

http://www.canon.icp.dog-cr.jp/products/camera/eos/50d/index.html


http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/96/50dqz1.jpg

[zombieman]

That's a backup of the canon.com.cn leak on a random Japanese website. The text is in Chinese, and most of the (non-50D) links don't work. It's not an official Canon Japan site.

Anyway, this leak looks legit, so, rejoice, I guess.

[fi20100]

I think it's fake... since it's not a official Canon site.

[TheHoff]

I think it's fake... since it's not a official Canon site.

It was up on Canon.china and it was seen by anyone who wanted to see it -- it was discussed live on Fred Miranda and you could click over to Canon China and see it yourself (until they took it down).

[RikWriter]

Out of curiosity, what shots would these be? I am trying to think of any shots that I can take with my 1D2 that I cannot take with my 40D, and I really cannot think of any. The 1D2 does a few things slightly better, but nothing radically so. I dont mean this is a challenge, btw- I am genuinely curious.

Vandit

Wildlife shots in the early morning or late evening mostly. The 40D has the pixel density and the newer autofocus that would allow me to capture them, but its high ISO performance is lacking.
The 5D has excellent high ISO performance, but its lesser pixel density and slower autofocus won't allow me to capture them.
Also, for long-exposure shots, the noise and banding on the 40D is problematic, whereas it is not with the 5D...but I can't afford to have both cameras.

[vkalia]

Wildlife shots in the early morning or late evening mostly. The 40D has the pixel density and the newer autofocus that would allow me to capture them, but its high ISO performance is lacking.
The 5D has excellent high ISO performance, but its lesser pixel density and slower autofocus won't allow me to capture them.

I have the same needs as well.

The way I see it, the 50D will be 15MP with atleast the same noise performance - although given the ISO ratings, it may even be better. Either by pixel-binning or thanks to new-gen sensors, it should be possible to get atleast a stop of noise improvement over the 40D... and the 7MP sRAW2 should provide a very usable ISO6400.

To me, that's a pretty significant improvement. Of course, it remains to be seen whether this actually happens, but I do expect it to. Canon's high ISO performance has always improved (even if marginally, as in the case of the 30D -> 40D). So one can hope...

Also, for long-exposure shots, the noise and banding on the 40D is problematic, whereas it is not with the 5D...but I can't afford to have both cameras.

What sort of long-exposures? I havent used the 40D for more than 1/10 or so, but at those shutter speeds, I havent noticed any banding.

Cheers,
Vandit

[TheHoff]

The 50D is real, no longer a rumour:

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?p=6167456#post6167456

[mattograph]

This sounds like a great camera. The only question is -- is it a 4th quarter release, or is it a showpiece for release 2009?

Oh, and another question -- WHAT ABOUT THE #*$Y#(($&#$( OTHER BODIES!!!

[BrantG]

The 50D is real, no longer a rumour:

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?p=6167456#post6167456


Way to go Hoff.

[lungdoc]

This sounds like a great camera. The only question is -- is it a 4th quarter release, or is it a showpiece for release 2009?

Oh, and another question -- WHAT ABOUT THE #*$Y#(($&#$( OTHER BODIES!!!

Canon traditionally doesn't have long delays between announcement and availability.

[Keith R]

Wildlife shots in the early morning or late evening mostly. The 40D has the pixel density and the newer autofocus that would allow me to capture them, but its high ISO performance is lacking.

Try Capture One 4.

Sorts out any banding issues too.

[RikWriter]

What sort of long-exposures? I havent used the 40D for more than 1/10 or so, but at those shutter speeds, I havent noticed any banding.


30 seconds and more. Night shots.