Sailing: Competitive Yachts!

[Noel_]

Was asked by a friend to snap a couple of shots of a yachting charter down here. Wasn't easy shooting from another boat, waiting for rain to pass and just working on such a constricted area. The 70-200 came in handy for boat on boat action and the Tokina 10-17 for on-boat material. I had a good time shooting and processing... all feedback & questions welcome!

#1
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/852/img2239twoboatsko8.jpg

#2
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/2958/img2346povbackor3.jpg

#3
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/7765/img2331redbehindgg0.jpg

#4
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/9387/img22142boatspanmq5.jpg

Original to #4: http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/7223/img2214vm4.jpg


Cheers
Noel

[Cdellama]

Those are great. I really like #2.

[PhotosGuy]

Very nice! I like the last one best for the competitive feeling.

[FlyingPhotog]

Sweet shots...

I agree with Frank on the last but did you shoot it portrait orientation as well?
Would be nice to see the full masts in the frame.

[kaitanium]

wow. yea if #4 had all of the ships in id buy that and hang on my wall lol

[Noel_]

Thank you for all the kind comments, much appreciated!

Sweet shots...

I agree with Frank on the last but did you shoot it portrait orientation as well?
Would be nice to see the full masts in the frame.

I did shoot some portrait, however the angle of the shot here still knocks out the others with full-mast. Wish I had it all in one shot, next time :)

[XpLoiT]

great PP done on #4 well done, looks a million times better!

[aridan]

3 & 4 are spectacular!

[FlyingPhotog]

Thank you for all the kind comments, much appreciated!



I did shoot some portrait, however the angle of the shot here still knocks out the others with full-mast. Wish I had it all in one shot, next time :)

A wise (older) photographer once told me:

"You'll never get a magazine cover shooting landscape...If it's worth shooting, shoot it both ways!"

[Jamie Holladay]

very nice series. I love the perspective you took in the second one. I also like the third one.

[Bruno1520]

all very nice, love #1 and #4.

[Welby]

Great shots well done ;)

[Noel_]

Thank you!

[willblackwell]

Just joined, so I'm just getting to these. I really like #4. Great job on the pp. As a sailor, I love #1.

[rockabilly808]

really awesome shots, are these 12 meters? or just early IACC boats?

[Steve In Kentucky]

Really love 2&4. Great perspective in 2. Looks like everybody is working hard.

[willblackwell]

NZL 10 & NZL 12 are old 12s. The transom kind of gives a clue. These are fairly short with a cut-out, classic of the 12s. The IACCs have a longer transom.

[EneQ]

Excellent shots ! Very creative , love the strong colors - and extreme wideangle !

[bcdoug]

NZL 10 & NZL 12 are old 12s. The transom kind of gives a clue. These are fairly short with a cut-out, classic of the 12s. The IACCs have a longer transom.

not all IACCs were designed the same. we have il moro ITA 1 local to us, and it's dramatically different in the ass than the other 4. the early IACC boats have a lot of design cues from the 12s too. look at the bows on a 12 and an early IACC for an example.

[Noel_]

Thank you all! Believe they are old america's cup yachts which are now used for charters.

[bcdoug]

Thank you all! Believe they are old america's cup yachts which are now used for charters.

they would be old cup boats for sure, it's just if they are 12s or IACC boats that is in question.

older 12s are everywhere doing charters. mostly in the caribbean, but there is one in maui for sure, and a few splattered here n there. some of the more historic 12s are restored and brought back to racing trim. i know for the last AC they did a jubilee and a huge display of the old girls.

if you are well off you can buy these boats up for a song. ITA-1 was on the market for $375k. i am sure the owner got it for far less than that. i can't wait for the volvo boats to start appearing. i am saving my pennies for abn amro 1.

[rockabilly808]

they would be old cup boats for sure, it's just if they are 12s or IACC boats that is in question.

older 12s are everywhere doing charters. mostly in the caribbean, but there is one in maui for sure, and a few splattered here n there. some of the more historic 12s are restored and brought back to racing trim. i know for the last AC they did a jubilee and a huge display of the old girls.

if you are well off you can buy these boats up for a song. ITA-1 was on the market for $375k. i am sure the owner got it for far less than that. i can't wait for the volvo boats to start appearing. i am saving my pennies for abn amro 1.

kind of like how you can get the volvo 60's for a steal these days.

[bcdoug]

the volvo 60s were probably better built boats, but couldn't take the conditions the 70s go out in. the 70s are far more complicated boats with a lot more to go wrong. canting keels, canards, rudder systems, massive bowsprits.. all great technology that isn't quite proven yet.

i'd love to get my hands on a mini 6.5 and do a two handed race around vancouver island. it would suck upwind, but the outside legs would be a rollercoaster ride.

[rockabilly808]

the volvo 60s were probably better built boats, but couldn't take the conditions the 70s go out in. the 70s are far more complicated boats with a lot more to go wrong. canting keels, canards, rudder systems, massive bowsprits.. all great technology that isn't quite proven yet.

i'd love to get my hands on a mini 6.5 and do a two handed race around vancouver island. it would suck upwind, but the outside legs would be a rollercoaster ride.

idk, i don't think so much of it being a question of not being able to take the conditions the 70's do i think they just didn't ever trust the boat enough

[bcdoug]

trust the 60s or the 70s?

watch some of the 2005-2006 footage. cayard says he is afraid of the 70s. they run on the brink of disaster. they are unsafe. at least the 60s were fast and managable.

telefonica lost a rudder arm 2 hours into the first leg. in calm conditions. it was attributed to bad manufacturing, but imagine what would have happened if it let go in 50 knots in the southern ocean?

i'd still give up my first born child for a chance at racing one though.

[rockabilly808]

trust the 60s or the 70s?

watch some of the 2005-2006 footage. cayard says he is afraid of the 70s. they run on the brink of disaster. they are unsafe. at least the 60s were fast and managable.

telefonica lost a rudder arm 2 hours into the first leg. in calm conditions. it was attributed to bad manufacturing, but imagine what would have happened if it let go in 50 knots in the southern ocean?

i'd still give up my first born child for a chance at racing one though.

I meant trust the 60's they were proven to be very durable boats, and yeah I do remember cayard saying that about the 70's, and then there was movistar being abandoned last race after her whole keel assembly s**t the bed. telelfonica's rudder failure and if i remember right the russians also had some issue with their boat as well. i do agree though I'd give a kidney to sail on a 70. I've sailed one of the 60's used the 2000-2001 volvo and it was amazingly fast.

[vkash1208]

that is an awesome series!

like number 2 and 4.
it would be cool if 4 did have the full mast but either way its great. love the way the sky and water look.

[bcdoug]

I meant trust the 60's they were proven to be very durable boats, and yeah I do remember cayard saying that about the 70's, and then there was movistar being abandoned last race after her whole keel assembly s**t the bed. telelfonica's rudder failure and if i remember right the russians also had some issue with their boat as well. i do agree though I'd give a kidney to sail on a 70. I've sailed one of the 60's used the 2000-2001 volvo and it was amazingly fast.

the russian boat has 1000 kg less lead in the bulb than the other boats. means they can't point worth a crap, and going downhill will be an adventure too.

now on the other hand, the open 60s used in the vendee globe are insane. the solo skippers have figured out that if you cant the keel out of the water the boat will go even FASTER.

which volvo 60 were you on? i know a few people here and there that have been involved in volvo and cup projects.

[rockabilly808]

can't remember the current name of it off the top of my head but it used to be djuice dragons.

[bcdoug]

the paint dept head at my work did the work on illbruck.. so he says. i work at a boat yard and see all kinds of hot boats come thru. i just finished working on a 77' tripp ketch named lady k.

i found djuice quite easily on google. nice looking boat.

[Nick Pro]

the volvo 60s were probably better built boats, but couldn't take the conditions the 70s go out in. the 70s are far more complicated boats with a lot more to go wrong. canting keels, canards, rudder systems, massive bowsprits.. all great technology that isn't quite proven yet.



I dont know about that. I remember reading somewhere (possibly SA) that 40 kts was the top of the racing mode for the older 60's. Now with the new boats, its more like survival mode. I find that rather odd. 40 kts really isn't that much. You ever see that video of hugo boss plaining across those waves under full chute and main? I'm guessing that about 30.

[rockabilly808]

I dont know about that. I remember reading somewhere (possibly SA) that 40 kts was the top of the racing mode for the older 60's. Now with the new boats, its more like survival mode. I find that rather odd. 40 kts really isn't that much. You ever see that video of hugo boss plaining across those waves under full chute and main? I'm guessing that about 30.

the open 60 or the volvo 60? because downwind an open 60 is much faster than the volvo 60

[bcdoug]

i've been out in over 40 knots. broached a 42' custom in 41 knots. by the time the stick came out of the water it was blowing 44. it was over 60 as we motored home after finishing the race. no commercial traffic was out. ferries were stopped. but we went racing. been out in about 50 knots on a hobie 16 for the 98 continentals. that was just dumb.

i can't recall where i heard the info, but it seems to me that the 60s were more robust but were not designed for higher windspeeds and high seas that the 70s are now facing. the 70s are only in gen 2, so they still have growing pains. several of the boats in the last volvo had canting keel problems. amro lost its rig in the sydney hobart. the 70s may be able to take the wind and sea state, but when things go wrong, they go really wrong, where as a 60 could make it thru and keep you alive.

[bcdoug]

some fun reading on the classes can be found here:

http://www.hiswasymposium.com/pdf/2006/I.%20Campbell.pdf

[rockabilly808]

i can't recall where i heard the info, but it seems to me that the 60s were more robust but were not designed for higher windspeeds and high seas that the 70s are now facing. the 70s are only in gen 2, so they still have growing pains. several of the boats in the last volvo had canting keel problems. amro lost its rig in the sydney hobart. the 70s may be able to take the wind and sea state, but when things go wrong, they go really wrong, where as a 60 could make it thru and keep you alive.

thats what I understand as well, when something on a 70 goes wrong it goes REALLY wrong. and also from i understand the 60's were a bit more seakind (well as seakind as racing sailboats get)

[Nick Pro]

the open 60 or the volvo 60? because downwind an open 60 is much faster than the volvo 60

A volvo 60.

[rockabilly808]

A volvo 60.

again the 60's are more heavily built boats, though they may have been designed for a slightly lower wind range because they're so durable you can hate on em more.

[bcdoug]

a friend just sent a message from new zealand saying he'd been out racing on v5, the tp 52 refitted with a canting keel.

i hate him.

[rockabilly808]

a friend just sent a message from new zealand saying he'd been out racing on v5, the tp 52 refitted with a canting keel.

i hate him.

great....a tp52 canter.... gotta say I don't like the sound of that, now people will wanna screw with the class rules

[Nick Pro]

great....a tp52 canter.... gotta say I don't like the sound of that, now people will wanna screw with the class rules


As if they haven't already? haha

There a few boats that caught my eye recently.
1. King 40- Looks AMAZING. Not sure about it's off shore performance, but it looks like the perfect coastal racer.
2. Schock 40- Good god. Swing keel, balls to the wall 40' racer. I wouldnt go trans atlantic on it, but it looks perfect for newport bermuda or the transpac. Can be had cheap. 80 grand.
3. Mumm 36- Looks awesome. Inexpensive. Fast. fragile. This would be a bear for the beer can series. You pretty much need pro's on the backstays or you will lose the rig. The REALLY sad part is, there is one sitting in annapolis on a cradle. Been there 4 years hasnt moved. Owner does not want to sell. What's wrong with the guy!?

[bcdoug]

great....a tp52 canter.... gotta say I don't like the sound of that, now people will wanna screw with the class rules

v5 is a first gen tp that has been modified for out of class racing. it's in new zealand, far away from the action in the med cup.

[bcdoug]

As if they haven't already? haha

There a few boats that caught my eye recently.
1. King 40- Looks AMAZING. Not sure about it's off shore performance, but it looks like the perfect coastal racer.
2. Schock 40- Good god. Swing keel, balls to the wall 40' racer. I wouldnt go trans atlantic on it, but it looks perfect for newport bermuda or the transpac. Can be had cheap. 80 grand.
3. Mumm 36- Looks awesome. Inexpensive. Fast. fragile. This would be a bear for the beer can series. You pretty much need pro's on the backstays or you will lose the rig. The REALLY sad part is, there is one sitting in annapolis on a cradle. Been there 4 years hasnt moved. Owner does not want to sell. What's wrong with the guy!?

haven't seen a king 40.
schock 40, we have 2 local. they point like no tomorrow. fast uphill, it's a sleigh ride downhill in even the lightest breeze. i got a ride on one. wow! transpac? umm, i wouldn't trust the keel for offshore. remember, ol' mr schock himself flipped his personal 40 after losing the keel.
mumm 36, we have one local. nice boat, but on any given day our 1982 dash 34 beats the crap out of it, boat for boat. same with mumm 30s. we destroy them boat for boat, and are rated about 20 points back of them. oh, add 3 1d35s to that list of cushed by the little boat that could.

vancouver is a phrf/handicap graveyard. we have a fleet of one design martin 242s, and a fleet of j24s. that's about it. 6 mumm 30s make it a fleet here, but it's rare to have all 6 out at the same time. it's rare to have more than 3 out. our sanctioning body was talking about having mumm 30 match racing here, but i've yet to see it happen.

i am 99.999% sure we won boat of the year in a boat put together with vise grips and held together with bungee cords.

[say_cheese]

Roller furling headsails, and looking a bit worn at that. Looks like everyone enjoying themselves, I'm envious. Nice pix, really like #4

[rockabilly808]

haven't seen a king 40.
schock 40, we have 2 local. they point like no tomorrow. fast uphill, it's a sleigh ride downhill in even the lightest breeze. i got a ride on one. wow! transpac? umm, i wouldn't trust the keel for offshore. remember, ol' mr schock himself flipped his personal 40 after losing the keel.
mumm 36, we have one local. nice boat, but on any given day our 1982 dash 34 beats the crap out of it, boat for boat. same with mumm 30s. we destroy them boat for boat, and are rated about 20 points back of them. oh, add 3 1d35s to that list of cushed by the little boat that could.

vancouver is a phrf/handicap graveyard. we have a fleet of one design martin 242s, and a fleet of j24s. that's about it. 6 mumm 30s make it a fleet here, but it's rare to have all 6 out at the same time. it's rare to have more than 3 out. our sanctioning body was talking about having mumm 30 match racing here, but i've yet to see it happen.

i am 99.999% sure we won boat of the year in a boat put together with vise grips and held together with bungee cords.

both hawaii and maine are the same way generally a graveyard, for me though it's all about the ride. sure the old heavy slow IOR tank may win in corrected time but they didn't have half as much fun as we did hauling @$$ on the 1D35 or the TP52

[daviespo]

one and four are awesome