What the 20D & 100-400 L can do (lg pics)

[phili1]

I thought anyone contimplating a 20D purchse or a 100-400 L purchase this might inspire them.

[RTMiller]

Great pictures; really like the second one. I have the 20D and that is the next lens I am thinking about buying. The only thing that makes me leary is the push-pull zoom. Are you finding it easy to adjust to?

[Andy D]

Cracking shots Phil: my 10D and 100-400 did this:

[Volatile]

consider me inspired

[Arsonist lolol]

Likewise......beautiful shots.

[jbradc]

Both images are great, I would like to see the EXIF data on the first one.

[Wazza]

You're not helping me save my money! ;) hehe.

[phili1]

This is the Exif.

Date/Time 29-Jan-2005 11:58:59
Make Canon
Model Canon EOS 20D
Flash Used No
Focal Length 390 mm
Exposure Time 1/1000 sec
Aperture f/8
ISO Equivalent 400
Exposure Bias
White Balance (-1)
Metering Mode matrix (5)
Manual Exposure incident reading with Sekonic meter.

RT MIller love the Push pull, you can adjust the tension on it to your likeing.

Andy nice shots, 10 D is a great camera.

As far as the lens I had my resevations until yesterday, but if I had my way I would own the 500 F4 or the 600 F4 instead but your talking $5,000 more.

[roanjohn]

WOW for that first shot!!! Great stuff!!!

Ro1

[RJSorensen]

Thank you for sharing such inspiring photos . . . very, very nice.

[sparker1]

Great shots. It will be my next lens, I think, but you're making me think it will happen sooner.

[RockOne]

I'm convinced !!. :-) . Nice shots !. Did that eagle get cold feet ? :-)

[Ikinaa]

Great shots both of you...

I'm convinced... This weekend I took some bird-shots with the 20D and the 75-300 (must be version 1, bought it in 1997) and my wife was convinced that the image quality was good (we had nothing to compare...) and I explained that at that time (EOS500) I hadn't the cash to buy another thing that a 250 Euro Lens. She then 'convinced' me to look around and try to find another one... Of course, I head the answer ready : 100-400 L IS USM . When I said the price (about 1500 Euro) she said : Ok, you've got a good camera, you need a good lens too... So in the next six months, I guess I'll have one... Oh I love my wife...

[yellow_belly]

Great pictures; really like the second one. I have the 20D and that is the next lens I am thinking about buying. The only thing that makes me leary is the push-pull zoom. Are you finding it easy to adjust to?Hi, I was a little worried about the push-pull zoom mechanism as I had mainly used lens with twist actions before. I need not have worried as I found it *much* easier, the only drawback for me is the fact that I have to lock the zoom when I am just carrying the camera/lens so that it doesnt extend, and then have to unlock it when I want to take a shot.
Terry

[Cash--]

Wow.........just wow

[phili1]

Thanks to all of you for the nice comments, glad you liked them.
No the Eagles feet do not, I am not sure but I think they geared for this. These guys are from Canada, they migrate here because of food supply. When a river freezes ove the go to where the food is.

If your interested in seeing more of them they are on my Pbase: http://www4.pbase.com/phili1/raptors

[cc10d]

Very nice pictures.The 100-400 is often under-rated. Thanks for the good Photography. The lens does work, and you guys did good.

[Andy D]

Cheers cc10d ;)

[sjprg]

Not to rain on the parade BUT
Sigma 50-500mm

http://www4.pbase.com/sjprg/snowbirds

http://www4.pbase.com/sjprg/don_ewards_regional_preserve

http://www4.pbase.com/sjprg/mountain_view_park_20d

IKINAA: 75-300 Non IS
http://www4.pbase.com/sjprg/image/34417452
The 75-300 images are not near as bad as people think. I am also in the process of going back to my 2003 10D and 75-300 images and reprocessing them with DXo. If you like the posted image you should see the DXo processed one. As I have time I plan to replace all the gallery images with DXo processed images. Big job.

[eosster]

Would you let me borrow it for few days to try it out, LOL.

[zach]

I'm going to rent the 100-400 for a whale watching trip this weekend. We'll see how I do.

[phili1]

Paul you can't rain on my Parade, I will be the first to admit the Sigma 50 to 500 is an awsome lens, I own 2 sigmas. The reason I have the 100-400 is because of the IS for hand holding, it gives me an edge in certain situations.

My friend has a Sigma 800mm lens and his pics are awsome.

I will give you a hint. If you want tack sharp pics get your self a bogen 3421 Gimbel head, it works wonders for flying birds.

[chops]

This isn't an overly great image, nor was it shot with the 100-400. It was taken with my 10D and the Canon 70-300 DO IS lens. It's a full-size crop.

I just thought it was pretty neat to view this on the computer and be able to make out what that little speck was at 30,000 feet! Can anybody guess who it is?

http://chops.tzo.com/FedEx-at-30k.jpg

[RockOne]

Can anybody guess who it is?
I'll have a stab at America West Boeing 757 ?

[zach]

I'm going to say Air Force One!

[boomer1959]

I thought anyone contimplating a 20D purchse or a 100-400 L purchase this might inspire them.


I have this set up also and it can do this. :D
http://images.fotopic.net/?iid=ys31yz&outx=800&oq=0

And this
http://images.fotopic.net/?iid=ysk3y5&outx=800&oq=0

And this
http://images.fotopic.net/?iid=ysasp1&outx=800&oq=0

I love this camera and lens :D :D :D :D :D

[RockOne]

I hope you guys are on a comission from Canon ! :-). This lens is definitely going to be my next purchase (well I've known that for some time :-), but these pictures have removed any doubt :-) ).

Oh, and if thats Air Force ones, he's lost a couple of engines somewhere :-) !

[CyberDyneSystems]

lol,..

O-kay here's a few;

http://cyberdynesystemsimaging.fotopic.net/p5879490.html
http://newfoundland.fotopic.net/p10870982.html
http://newfoundland.fotopic.net/p10870979.html
http://newfoundland.fotopic.net/p10870978.html
http://newfoundland.fotopic.net/p9447012.html

[Scottes]

http://www.itsanadventure.com/postimages/bee_8697.jpghttp://www.itsanadventure.com/postimages/Bee_8697.jpg

:)

[zach]

Oh, and if thats Air Force ones, he's lost a couple of engines somewhere :-) !

Doh! My bad.

[chops]

Oh, and if thats Air Force ones, he's lost a couple of engines somewhere :-) !

Now that just cracked me up like crazy! I had tears in my eyes I was laughing to hard!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

As for that picture of mine, I am 99% sure that it is a FedEx plane. It has the purple under-belly, purple engines, and you can see some large dark print towards the nose of the plane.

I could be completely and totally wrong, however. ;)

[eosster]

Could it be Air Force II....lol.

[RJSorensen]

I have been in a weakened state for a while . . . ever since I 'borrowed' the BigMa from my friend Jim. Well I can't do with out a long lens now, like I not going to give him back his lens until I get my own. Seeing Scottes and CDS's stuff and Boomer's moon have, well, you see, forced me to place an order with B&H today. So get ready for me in the club. AND get ready for the flood of pictures I'm sure to take. Might even be one or two of a little bird. I can't wait . . . dang, should have shipped it overnight. My wife hates you guys btw . . .

[Ikinaa]

...
IKINAA: 75-300 Non IS
http://www4.pbase.com/sjprg/image/34417452
The 75-300 images are not near as bad as people think. I am also in the process of going back to my 2003 10D and 75-300 images and reprocessing them with DXo. If you like the posted image you should see the DXo processed one. As I have time I plan to replace all the gallery images with DXo processed images. Big job.

Thanks sjprg
The 75-300 behaves very well for the price. The included shot (no noise removal, no usm, nothing except cropping) is a 100% crop of a bird of prey (don't know his name, but it's rather frequent here) about 300-400 meters away (20D, 1/4000s, 300mm, f/5.6, iso800 (I know... I could have made it iso200 at 1/1000s or a smaller aperture)) I think it's pretty good, but I think the extra 100mm (to 400) of the 100-400 and the possibility to add a 1.4x or 2x just makes me want it. Normally the 75-300 has more purple fringing at 300 mm, here it doesn't, probably because of the colors, but other subjects have them.
I guess that the 100-400 doesn't have fringing? anyone to confirm this?
Hmmm I think I'll check this DXo you're speaking of.

[Scottes]

Seeing Scottes and CDS's stuff and Boomer's moon have, well, you see, forced me to place an order with B&H today. ... My wife hates you guys btw . . .

That's what we're here for. :-)

Sad to say, this place can be expensive. I'm psyched for your new lens, but I hope it doesn't cause you marital or financial problems.

Of course, a new lens helps ease the pain of either... :wink:

[Scottes]

I guess that the 100-400 doesn't have fringing? anyone to confirm this?

Yes, it will have fringing at times. You just have to stay away from the causes, or fix it in Photoshop.

I'd think that any zoom will have fringing in the right circumstances, and most (all?) primes, too.

Just don't shoot high-contrast subjects with a bright background wide open and you'll reduce this substantially. But I'll take a fringed shot over a missed shot.

[Ikinaa]

Yes, it will have fringing at times. You just have to stay away from the causes, or fix it in Photoshop.

I'd think that any zoom will have fringing in the right circumstances, and most (all?) primes, too.

Just don't shoot high-contrast subjects with a bright background wide open and you'll reduce this substantially. But I'll take a fringed shot over a missed shot.

So the smaller the aperture, the less fringing.
Less contrast means also less fringing.
My picture in this thread of the bird of prey doesn't show fringing. Is that because of colors don't contrast too much? light-brown on blue sky?

[RockOne]

Sorry to drag this thread off topic :-) - slightly

I am 99% sure that it is a FedEx plane.
Have a really close look and see if you see the thin red line running around the blue underbelly and the writing at the front like America West. Compare these photos in the links :-).
Oh incidentally I notice a couple of the engines of America West have a red line around them (could there be "L" engines? :-) :-) ).

FEDEX
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/757163/M/

America West
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/712704/M/
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/700639/M/
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/675260/M/

Could it be Air Force II :-) Air Force -2 (...engines that is :-))

And I'll agree that the 75-300 is terrible for purple fringing - Drives me nuts..especially on reflective surfaces shining in the sun...the 100-400 has got to be a vast improvement over it :-)

[phili1]

Ikinna: I do not get fringing with the 20D or the 100-400 L But F 5.6 should not give it to you. One thing you have to remember is if a bird is the size of a pen cap on a 3 x 5 pice of paper not matter what you do you cannot record detail, it is to far away, so you go for reach. I own the 100-400 L and you can put an extender on it but you loose auto focus and get soft images. I have gotten some good shot set at 350mm but at 400 mm no way.

Boomer: Great shot it is a great set up.

Cyber Dan: Hey as always your shot are great but I love the pair, not only are the birs beautiful but so is your photography, awsome.

Scotts: wow I can't say enought about yours, great shot.

Hey for all those Nay sayer, eat your hearts out. I LOVE MY 20D. :lol: :p

[Scottes]

So the smaller the aperture, the less fringing.
Less contrast means also less fringing.
My picture in this thread of the bird of prey doesn't show fringing. Is that because of colors don't contrast too much? light-brown on blue sky?
Contrast is definitely the leading causing of fringing. Stepping down helps a bit, but not always. Check out this tutorial on Correcting CA: http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=48830 - just look at the pics. That was the 17-40 stepped down to at least f/16 if not f/22. Because of the contrast it still shows fringing. And the lack of contrast is why your pic doesn't show fringing.

And stepping down too much can cause diffraction which is also not good.

But don't get paranoid about which aperture to use. You have to take the shot the best you can. Fringing can be corrected in PS, diffraction is harder to fix. But if the optimum aperture setting for the lens won't make the pic - such as lack of DoF or too much DoF or too slow of a shutter - well... Take the pic as best you can. Just try to stay away from such high-contrast shots.

[chops]

Sorry to drag this thread off topic :-) - slightly


Have a really close look and see if you see the thin red line running around the blue underbelly and the writing at the front like America West. Compare these photos in the links :-).
Oh incidentally I notice a couple of the engines of America West have a red line around them (could there be "L" engines? :-) :-) ).

FEDEX
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/757163/M/

America West
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/712704/M/
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/700639/M/
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/675260/M/



I have to agree, that looks a lot more like an America West, but the writing doesn't look long enough to say America and West together on "my" plane.

[Biko]

Sure is a great lens, taken with 20D

http://www.btinternet.com/~i.c.palmer/robin.jpg

My only complaint is sometimes when I take out my bag it looks like the IS button moves and switches off, now I always check that all switches are pushed forward and then change from that.

[Scottes]

Stunning pic Biko. Love the detail.

[Biko]

Cheers Scottes, took it last Sunday late afternoon when we actually got some sun in the UK :) Robin was getting his territory sorted: "L lens ok you can stay".

[GeForceFX]

Cracking shots Phil: my 10D and 100-400 did this:


could you post a 100% crop of those pics plz?

[BoySpot]

Is it an ATA 757?

[phili1]

Super shot, great detail. I am loving the 20D and 100-400L

[Andy D]

could you post a 100% crop of those pics plz?

No problem, give me a short while (just got back from the Pub after watching the Arsenal V Man Utd game)

ANdyD

[Andy D]

Don't know if I have got this right, but here goes! 100% crop as requested:

[merlyn9]

Well here's my .02 into the mix!

These are my 10D with my 100-400 L
In short... Go out & buy the lens, Don't rent... save that money for renting the 600mm like me!

http://www.castleoftherose.com/misc/EagleOne001_SM.jpg
...and I don't want to hear about the branch in front... THIS IS Nature
http://www.castleoftherose.com/Photo/Eagles/23Jan05d/slides/CRW_18324bf_filtered.html
http://www.castleoftherose.com/misc/BullElk002_SM.jpg
http://www.castleoftherose.com/Photo/Eagles/23Jan05d/slides/crw_18330.html

Alaska within 11 months... I need a 600mm for that trip!

---michael

[RockOne]

Is it an ATA 757?

Yeah. I think you've got it. I'm convinced :-) !

[roanjohn]

...and I don't want to hear about the branch in front... THIS IS Nature

Alaska within 11 months... I need a 600mm for that trip!

---michael

.............ummm, that would've been a good shot if the branch was not in the way.




KIDDING!!!!:D:D:D

Great shot!!! with or without the branch.

RO1

[GeForceFX]

I'm convinced, this will be my next lens :D

[phili1]

Michael fantastic shots, I think the branch frames it.

HOw dod you get the head shot.

[Mark Kemp]

I am dissapointed now,

When I bought my 100-400 L I only got a free cuddly leopard, I guess I should have waited for the Bald Eagle special offer !

[Mark Kemp]

P.S> I am almost sure that the plane is not a Tiger Moth if that helps!

[Scottes]

When I bought my 100-400 L I only got a free cuddly leopard, I guess I should have waited for the Bald Eagle special offer !

If I press the "Test" button on my 100-400 I get a perfect picture of a chickadee.

Sure, it's cheating, but it's good for the slow days.

:-)

[merlyn9]

I am dissapointed now,

When I bought my 100-400 L I only got a free cuddly leopard, I guess I should have waited for the Bald Eagle special offer !

Mark --
Well I wasn't allowed to start with such a gracefull creature...
I was exilled to the foothills of Poland to shoot more humbling birds:

http://www.castleoftherose.com/misc/RedRooster001_SM.jpg

I waited almost a year until I could get to shooting Eagles in the wild along the Mississippi....

[merlyn9]

If I press the "Test" button on my 100-400 I get a perfect picture of a chickadee.

Sure, it's cheating, but it's good for the slow days.

:-)

:) That button must be only available in East Coast models!
(but then again... I did order mine from B&H)

[merlyn9]

Michael fantastic shots, I think the branch frames it.

HOw dod you get the head shot.

Phili1 --

While the other shots are indeed Eagles in the wilds of Migration on the Mississippi, that particualar headshot is of one who can not be returned to the wild due to a gunshot wound. he is 80% blind, and is now part of a Refuse. That was at one of the numerous 'Eagle Days' celebrations found up and down the Mississippi this time of year.

I may have looked wierd walking up and down that auditorium with the 100-400 in tow... but it was even funnier watching folks use thier cell phone camera's.... Now who do you think got a better shot to send home?

[E.C.Giorgio]

Hey Phili1,
Great Shots! I'm currently selling my 10d (which i've had for a year), and i'm going for the "gusto" the 20D & maybe the 100-400, PHEW! I'm just trying to figure a way to break the news to my "WIFE"! All she keeps yelling is "you can't keep changing cameras you're losing to much money"! I guess i'm a fool for the latest technology toys? manny

[phili1]

Your not alone, m ine ready to do a duane Bobick.

[Huckaback Photo]

Philli
Those pictures of the ducks are excellent well done nice to see the quallity ,
its my favorite lens to use.
well done.
Only jealous really .
I know they are not ducks ( wrong colour,, Ho Ho ! )
just we don't get birds quite like that here in south wales.
Martin