Upgrade from 300D to 20D worthwhile?

[tim]

I'm considering upgrading from the 300D to the 20D, for a number of reasons:
- Slightly higher resolution, which could come in handy as I print a few photos at A1 size for my wall.
- Larger buffer.
- Better at high ISO.
- Faster turn-on is a bonus, not a huge factor in the decision though.
- It's a great toy (I love gadgets), and it makes me look more professional than the silver 300D (this is possibly the main reason).

I'm not kidding myself it'll make my photos any better or me a better photographer. I'm not rich but I make a good living, so it's more a question of value than cost.

Has anyone who's done a similar upgrade got any advice, suggestions, or thoughs for me? How does the size/weight compare?

[Eric DeCastro]

sure why not. sell me that 200D really really cheap. ;)

[tim]

What i'm mostly after is impressions of people who've upgraded from the 300D to the 20D. Eric, there's a line already ;)

[Adam Hicks]

A lot of us have done that upgrade, and it's worth every penny if you need the features. The speed alone combined with the ability to use AI Servo in all creative modes made it worth the money for me. Those are two features I needed, and now I wouldn't be able to function without them.

Any yes, it definitely looks more professional, so when you get it take your time and ensure that the pictures that come OUT of it look as professional!

Adam

[CyberDyneSystems]

It was worth it for me to upgrade from the 10D ;)

Fastest AF in it's class,. fastest write speeds and frame rates,. and largest resolution :)
What more can you ask for? :)

Also,. it'll expose better with your flash,. though you may want to toss out that "omnibounce - Speedstick cap" and look at the Lumiquest kit ;)

[dirty]

Ive been searching, and cant find it anywhere...

Does the external battery grip for the 300d work with the 20d, or did Canon do what ever manfacture LOVES to do and redesign it so you have to drop the cash...
I guess on the same note, can you use the same batteries?

[tim]

The grips are incompatible, the batteries are compatible.

[pcasciola]

Hey, wait. What happened to "The man maketh the photo, not the gear." It's only been 3 days. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Just joking. Sounds like you are ready for the upgrade. I didn't upgrade, but I used both the 300D and 10D before I made my decision to wait a month for the 20D, and I'm glad I did. You definitely won't be disappointed by the speed of the 20D. The buffer is a lot larger than the specs say. You can take 35-40 shots at 5 fps in the largest JPEG mode. And if that wasn't enough, 8-9 seconds later the buffer is 100% emptied.

[tim]

I know, I know, but i'm not thinking it's going to make me a better photographer, I think it'll be a cool new toy that will be helpful in some situations.

I don't use rapid fire that often, but when I take photos of people it'd be very handy. The larger buffer would be great. The specs say it can only do 3 photos in RAW but the 300D can already do that! Does it actually do more than that?

My decision is really not whether to upgrade, it's to upgrade to the 20D now, or wait a year or more for the 30D. It comes down to are the features worth the upgrade price to me - which would be about US$850 after selling the rebel).

[22littlereasons]

[QUOTE=pcasciola]Hey, wait. What happened to "The man maketh the photo, not the gear." It's only been 3 days. :lol: :lol: :lol:


I'm looking for a granite tablet to carve that into. *s*

[tim]

Hey, wait. What happened to "The man maketh the photo, not the gear." It's only been 3 days. :lol: :lol: :lol:


I'm looking for a granite tablet to carve that into. *s*

I know, I know, but i'm not thinking it's going to make me a better photographer, I think it'll be a cool new toy that will be helpful in some situations.

Heh heh... irony ;) Still looking for thoughts from people who upgraded. Are you glad you did it, or do you consider it a waste of money?

[pcasciola]

I know, I know, but i'm not thinking it's going to make me a better photographer, I think it'll be a cool new toy that will be helpful in some situations.

I don't use rapid fire that often, but when I take photos of people it'd be very handy. The larger buffer would be great. The specs say it can only do 3 photos in RAW but the 300D can already do that! Does it actually do more than that?

My decision is really not whether to upgrade, it's to upgrade to the 20D now, or wait a year or more for the 30D. It comes down to are the features worth the upgrade price to me - which would be about US$850 after selling the rebel).

Actually, if anything it might make you a worse photographer. Sometimes I notice myself going with a "spray and pray" approach just because I can. :lol:

The RAW buffer is 9 shots, same as the 10D because they are 33% larger, but the buffer empties so much faster you can actually sustain about 1 fps even if you continue shooting with a full buffer.

Waiting is always a tough call. The 300D is still worth good money now, but when the replacement for that is announced (maybe in a few weeks) it may come down a couple of hundred like the 10D did when the 20D was announced. But then again, when the 30D is announced you might be able to pick up a 20D for under $1000......

[tommykjensen]

I upgraded from 300D to 20D.

It is worth it.

The raw buffer is 6, and with a fast CF You time to wait after the 6th shot is very short. I did a simple speedtest, see here. (http://photo.klein-jensen.dk/public/20dspeedtest.xls)

Other notable improvements over 300D:

- startup time, much faster
- review time, much faster (You can review while camera is still writing to the card)
- more pixels
- some say the black color makes a difference, I did not care about that

[tommykjensen]

The RAW buffer is 9 shots, same as the 10D because they are 33% larger, but the buffer empties so much faster you can actually sustain about 1 fps even if you continue shooting with a full buffer.


Nope the raw buffer is 6, but as You say writing to a fast card is so fast that the limit is not as limiting as the limit of 3 on 300D is.

[pcasciola]

Actually, Tommy is correct. I said RAW buffer of 9, but the actual buffer size is 6. The thing is, on the 20D the buffer offloads so fast you can take 8-9 RAWs at full speed before you get stuck, because the 20D can write about 1 RAW per second from the buffer to the card. The JPEG buffer is also listed as 23, but in reality you can take about 35-40 before it slows down.

[tim]

I believe the 300D will be replaced in the next few weeks, and i'm basing this on strong evidence. Lets just say the 350D rumours are mostly true ;)

How's the weight/feel difference Tommy? Is it much heavier in practice?

Thanks for the spreadsheet, it's very informative.

Philip, there's always the risk i'd overuse the buffer, but hey it's just another tool to take great photos, if it helps i'll be all over it. I got a great series of my brother using rapid fire on the 300D that i'd have had no hope of getting otherwise.

I'm leaning towards getting the 20D. Obviously I want it, it was always just how much better is it.

[pcasciola]

Tommy,

I just checked out your spreadsheet and it's scaring me a little. I recently upgraded to firmware 1.0.4 and I mainly use the Sandisk 1Gb Ultra II, but I notice your buffer clear times show that they went up from 10 seconds on 1.0.2 to 17 seconds with 1.0.4 in RAW mode. Is this correct? 70% slower with the newer firmware?

[tommykjensen]

Phillip, the tests I did was very simple and not very scientific. I only did each test one time. The main thing I focused on was how many shots it was possible to take in a 20 second period. After 20 seconds I did not consider it to be a big issue if flush time is 10 seconds or 17 seconds, because afterall You can just continue with the same speed.

Tim, as for weight I think the weight is approximately the same. I have the grip with 2 batteries which I also has for 300D. I never compared weight. As for the buffer size. Usually I have my 20D set to burst shooting just in case I need it but usually I just shoot 1 or 2. But a series like this (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=54075) the extra buffer is invaluable, the 3 first photos are the best of a series of 10-12 shots. I would probably only have gotten 1 or 2 good ones with 300D.

[tim]

Interesting, thanks Tomy.

It seems I can sell my camera for more than I than I thought, though i'll probably have to give up the kit lens, but I can always get another pretty cheap. I only use it for wide angle anyway.

I'd love a 20D, I just want to make sure I don't regret the purchase.

[drisley]

I went from a 300D to a 20D, and the biggest improvements for me were:

- larger buffer
- even when buffer is full, you can continue to fire off 1 shot/second
- you can continue to AF/shoot and the buffer still empties <---HUGE IMPROVEMENT
- instant review on the LCD for faster chimping <---HUGE improvement too
- being able to chose your AF method
- instant on <--- once you have it, you will wonder how you made out before!
- solid metal frame
- new camera smell

As a amateur sports photog I have never had to wait for the camera, even shooting Raw. With the 300D, I remember always having to wait for the buffer to flush (because it stops flushing when you start to AF again). That was a huge pain. I don't use the spray-n-pray method, so 5fps with 6 frame buffer is more than enough, especially since the buffer empties so fast. The AF is faster, but not astonishing so.
While a black camera is cooler amoung photogs, the silver cameras attrack much more attention with the average person. Even thought the 20D is a better camera, I get much fewer "oooh, look at THAT camera" than I did with the silver 300D.

[tim]

Thanks drisley. I think right now i'm pretty much sold on the upgrade, thanks everyone for helping me talk myself into it ;)

More comments are very welcome.

[Redbird_xo]

Good for you, one more happy man to come.

I bought the 300D 3 months ago with the intention only to use it until the replacement for 20D arrives (plus the time to sort out firmware issues, if any). The image counter on the 300D has passed the 99xx mark early Jan. Hopefully, the high ultility on the 300D will lead me into the next level.

[tim]

Is there any way to tell for sure how many frames a 300D has taken?

[tommykjensen]

I think only Canon can check that.

[Wazza]

I'd love a 20D, I just want to make sure I don't regret the purchase.

The only regret you would have, is hesitating a few more days.. Or joining the waiting list of 2-4 weeks. Photo.co.nz have 93 orders for the 20D. Good luck in getting one. ;)

I've visited 6 camera shops in the Auckland area this weekend, and they were all out, and very limited lens variety. I'm after the 50mm 1.8, and that's also been on hold for a fair while I was told just 3 hours ago by photo.co.nz (0800 CAMERA). They're giving me a call tomorrow, to see if they can have some fair idea of when they can get one in. Every camera shop is rubbishing Canon, as they haven't given enough numbers of cameras, and popular lens to cover the demand for their great equipment! Almost makes you wanna use the available Nikons. :p
(I didn't really just say that).

[tim]

I don't buy much camera gear in New Zealand, it's too expensive. I'll get the 20D from http://www.bhphotovideo, i've made many purchases before and they're a very reliable store. They have them in stock, they're cheaper, they come with a warranty (hopefully international), and it will be here less than a week after I order it :)

If you want to piggyback on my order to get a 50mm F1.8 PM me. It'd cost what the site lists, plus a little for postage from there to NZ, and again a little more for Wellington to Auckland. Still cheaper and quicker than here in NZ.

[Redbird_xo]

Is there any way to tell for sure how many frames a 300D has taken?

I can not think of any way other than an honest 1st hand user's can tell. Not sure if the firmware has any built-in hidden feature to retain the number of images taken. I can't imagine why this might be of any importance to Canon in relation to the warranty. Just my thoughts.

[Wazza]

I was looking into getting one from the trusted BHPhotoVideo. But couldn't be bothered with all the hassle, of waiting, hoping it arrives in one piece, and picking it up, as it's over the duty amount. I've never done an international transaction, and the more I looked at it, the more it freaked me out.

How soon will you be looking at ordering it then?

[tim]

I'll most likely be ordering tomorrow. I'll be ordering a few extra things to sell on trademe, probably including a few 50mm F1.8 lenses for around $150 NZ, give or take. If you have a request or suggestion let me know, either for me to sell on trademe or if you want to get in on the order to save costs.

I've ordered from B&H 3 times and never had a problem, even when I returned one lens. I order loads of stuff internationally, I have everything sorted. UPS are great, I just call them up and charge customs fees to my credit card. If you want any tips PM me.

[Wazza]

Bah! Now I know the secrets. Hehe.

As it's only one lens, and low cost, I could probably give it a go myself on my own credit card. Thanks for the help again. :)

I'll just wait for photo.co.nz to call me back tomorrow, to see if they are getting one this week, which will be $174. Auckland Camera seems to be the next cheapest place I found at $196.50.

Maybe I could buy a couple also.
In your experience, has it taken 3 weeks for orders?
When I was going through it a few days ago, it said the international mail was 3-5 days.

[tim]

The order usually sits in the processing stage for a day or two, maybe longer if it's your first purchase from them - you have to email them a photo of your credit card. UPS gets the package to me in NZ inside of 7 days, but it varies a bit between 4 and 8 perhaps. Any problems your credit card company will refund you most likely anyway. Best continue this by PM if you have more questions, which i'm happy to help you out with.

I'm still open to more thoughts on whether the upgrade's a good idea :)

[yellow_belly]

I'm still open to more thoughts on whether the upgrade's a good idea :)Hi Tim, I upgraded from 300D to 20D just before Christmas :) In my case I couldnt live with the fact that on the 300D you cant just go into AIServo mode even with the 'hack', you can use sports mode but that doesnt let you do exposure compensation. If it wasnt for the need of the AIServo facility I doubt wether I would have upgraded at this moment in time, but its NEVER a bad time to get completely upto date :) and there are a few more facilities that make life much easier, instant powerup is just an example.

Terry

[tacos3]

Tim,

I did it at the expense of getting my wife quite pissed off at me. I used the "better to ask forgiveness, than ask permission" philosophy and needless to say, she wasn't very happy.

Here are the things I liked the best about the upgrade:
1. Much faster writes to CF. 1.3mbs to almost 6.
2. Usable ISO 1600 images. Some I touch up with noise ninja, some don't need it.
3. 5 FPS and large JPEG buffer for when I shoot Jpeg, which is not very often.
4. Instant power up. I think that this camera really doesn't get powered down, it just sleeps.
5. FEC without the hack.

I've never looked back.

Darren

[2112]

Wait a minute, do you REALLY think those minor upgrades are worth $2,000? Its not like you are trying to decide between the two cameras and the price difference is under $1,000. If you think a little faster startup time, higher ISO settings and a better metering system is worth $2,000 you must have alot of money to blow.

By the way, I've never understood why startup time is so important with an SLR. Are there actually photogs lugging them around turned off who BOOM!! suddenly need to whip it out instantly to capture a photo? :rolleyes: Thats why God invented point and shoots :D

[tim]

The upgrade will cost me around US$1000. The reason I haven't done it yet is lingering doubts over value for money. If i'm going to do it now's the time, with the 300D sucessor being released in a couple of weeks 300D prices will drop pretty sharply.

The balls really in my court - I have to decide if the improvements are worth the $$$ to me. Thanks for all your help everyone :)

[2112]

If i'm going to do it now's the time, with the 300D sucessor being released in a couple of weeks 300D prices will drop pretty sharply.

Really? I haven't heard anything about this. Do you have any info on it? The only cameras I have seen Canon announce for the upcoming PMA show are the Powershot A510 and 520.

[tim]

Really? I haven't heard anything about this. Do you have any info on it? The only cameras I have seen Canon announce for the upcoming PMA show are the Powershot A510 and 520.

I'm sorry but I can't say anything else. I'm not sure of when it'll be released, but it won't be long, and that show's the logical place to launch it.

(to everyone) I won't answer PMs about this, sorry.

Back on topic - has anyone upgraded from 300D to 20D and regretted the move?

[Woten]

I recently did the upgrade and I, like the others, have not regretted the move. I upgraded about 3 weeks ago and have enjoyed shooting with it every single minute!!! I got a good deal on the trade in of my 300D with battery grip. I will say I miss the grip and when I save enough, that will be the next on my list! It was worth it to me......

[phili1]

Tim, that old addage that you won't get better picutre from a better camera because its the photographer is not totally true.

A great photographer will take great pictures with a pinhole but ask him if focus speed,or download speed help him take a great pictures and he will say you betcha.

If what they have said to you was true then why are they all obcessed with the term L Lens. Does a better lens take a better picture or does the photographer.

Ok another example. I took good pictures wiht my G3 but something was lacking from my EOS Elan, to get that back I had to go SLR.

It is the same thing with the 20D, it will give you options you do not have on the 300D, will it take better picture with the same lens,maybe, but it will do it easier and that will make you better. I think so.

If you want it, buy it you only go around once.

[Adam Hicks]

Hey 2112... if you don't understand the quick startup time you're missing a big part of the point. YOU DON'T HAVE TO TURN THE 20D OFF all day long and you don't need to worry about the battery. It goes into standby, and you pick it up, hit the shutter button and the thing is ready to go. It *is* an advantage and something I use every time I'm at the track.

There's plenty of reasons to upgrade... some tangible and some as simple as professional image among peers. That might sound goofy, but if I'm at Texas Motor Speedway standing next to guys from the AP and SI, I don't want to be holding a silver plastic DSLR. So I sold it and bought the 20D. Would do it again in less than a heartbeat.

[tim]

I've decided the features are worth it to me, plus it'd make me happy, I can afford it, and like phil says, you only live once, so i'm going to order one :) Thanks for all the input guys, you've all been very helpful.

[tacos3]

Hey 2112.....Sold my DR for $700 and bought a 20d for $1430. $730 for the cost of the upgrade. Those features are absolutely worth the upgrade cost. I'd think that most folks on this board would agree.

Darren

[tim]

I decided to order locally even with the extra US$130 or cost, just for piece of mind. Having to return the camera to the US once would easily make up for the difference in price for me. I hope I get a decent price for the 300D. My 20D should turn up tomorrow, yay! :D

[tacos3]

Hey 2112...I sold my DR for $700 and bought a 20d for $1430. The $730 upgrade cost is absolutely worth the upgrade cost. I shoot a lot of indoor concerts and the difference between the 2 cameras at ISO 1600 is significant. I had to noise reduce all images from my DR and I only clean up some of the images from the 20d.

I think that most folks that have upgraded have been happy.

[2112]

Thats cool Tacos 3, there is no question the 20D is a superior camera but many users may not need all of the extra bells and whistles. I am waiting to see what Canon does in the next month or rwo before I spend any more money. I checked into that rumor about the successor to the 300D and it sounds like its basically going to be the 10D with a different name and a few minor differences and it will retail under $1,000. That plus the fact that Nikon are rumored to be unleashing a DSLR they promise will be the best and most affordable on the market (I hear retail about $500-$600 :cool: ) should drive D-Reb prices down around the $600 mark.

[tim]

I checked into that rumor about the successor to the 300D and it sounds like its basically going to be the 10D with a different name and a few minor differences ...

That's not correct, according to the reasonably reliable information I have. It will be a baby 20D, less cripped than the 300D was compared with the 10D, in a 300D-like body.

[Trekker2005]

I decided to order locally even with the extra US$130 or cost, just for piece of mind. Having to return the camera to the US once would easily make up for the difference in price for me. I hope I get a decent price for the 300D. My 20D should turn up tomorrow, yay! :D
Tim, you will enjoy this little baby immensely.

[Wazza]

Congratulations about the order. Hope it's a worthwhile deal. :)

As I said via PM, I was desperate for the 50 1.8.
Well after much trying around, I finally found one. All stores are reporting 4 or 5 weeks, or not sure of when Canon will restock them. I called photo.co.nz last night, and they said they would find out for me. Well they called back this morning, whilst I was at work, and said didn't have new ones, but a customer had just traded in a 50mm 1.8 2nd hand. They gave it a 9/10 quality - basically mint, and fully boxed. NZ$120. Not a bad deal, and free shipping from Christchurch. I should receive this tomorrow or Friday. :)

Hope your 20D arrives fast, and ready to use for a fun action packed weekend!

[tim]

Cheers guys.

Wazza, be careful with the DOF with that lens. If you use it at F1.8 at close range you'll not even get a whole face in focus. Take a few steps back, or decrease the aperture. If this is exceedingly obvious to you please disregard the advice ;)

[michael.luczkow]

Hey tim, mine should be here by the end of the week also! :-) can't wait....

[Wazza]

Yeah Tim, I'm fully aware of this lens's potential. That's why I want it. I'm no absolute beginner to SLRs either. Just moderate. ;)
I will probably do lots of testing myself, to find my most comfortable f-stop value.

[Fills]

That's not correct, according to the reasonably reliable information I have. It will be a baby 20D, less cripped than the 300D was compared with the 10D, in a 300D-like body.

I was pondering the same upgrade but now, hmmm... well the the obvious question is why not wait for this camera and upgrade then? This would give you at least half or more of the features you wanted at half the cost of the upgrade. Or is the full upgrade worth it? I guess it's not easy to speculate because we don't know what options will be included.

[Jon]

By the way, I've never understood why startup time is so important with an SLR. Are there actually photogs lugging them around turned off who BOOM!! suddenly need to whip it out instantly to capture a photo? :rolleyes: Thats why God invented point and shoots :D

I haven't seen a digital P/S that starts up as fast as even a slow DSLR, and I've had several. Bear, also, in mind that Canon (among others) recommends that you power down before changing lenses, cards, batteries, and that you're quite likely to be doing so in the heat of the action, and fast start-up is significant. I can see that if you're shooting nothing but studio still-lifes you may not care how fast the camera starts up, but my real world doesn't like to hold still.

[2112]

That's not correct, according to the reasonably reliable information I have. It will be a baby 20D, less cripped than the 300D was compared with the 10D, in a 300D-like body.

Well thats even better :D Any word on if it will also be an 8.2 mp?

[tim]

I can't say more than I have, but it is to the 20D like the Rebel is to the 10D.

[phili1]

Tim I give you permission to go and buy the 20D. You deserve to get it, buy it! buy it !buy it!

I figured if I used hypnoses ( I spelled it wrong) it would help./

[Persian-Rice]

Definitly worth it, but the question I would as myself would be, why?

If you need the focusing speed, sure. If you need the ISO performance, sure. If you need to look more like a pro then an astronaut, NO! LOL

If you have the cash, then upgrade, but if you are buying it for the sake of buying a camera, why not the 1D MKII?

[tim]

I ordered the 20D yesterday :) It's meant to show up today or tomorrow, looks like it's going to be tomorrow :( The 1 series is way too expensive for me.

[Thats A Winner]

Hey Tim,

I have been waiting patiently to join the DSLR revolution (from film Elan 7) to see what is available after PMA. I was hopeful that it would be more like the 20D than the 300D but cost less than the 20D.

Since you may have some inside scoop into the situation, yet are jumping on a 20D right now makes me kind of nervous about what is being released. If you truly know something, it clearly must not be anywhere near a 20D's performance or you wouldn't be buying now.

Am I correct in my assumptions based upon what you have heard?

[tim]

Your assumptions are reasonable, but incorrect. I'm going for the 20D because I want the more professional series of camera, not because the sucessor is bad.

Edit - can't say too much. I'd recommend waiting and seeing what comes out, you should be happy with it.

[MrChad]

Tim: congrates on the 20D!

Is the new Drebel 2 going to be black or silver?

I knew it was coming but had to have a DSLR it was killing me so I got the Rebel-D and took the rebate. I even got the fugly silver model to save $55 and used it to get a better CF card.

But I got a friend that would love to go drebel but hates the current model.

[tim]

Is the new Drebel 2 going to be black or silver?

I can't say for sure, but I have a pic of a silver one. I can't post it, sorry.

[Fills]

Ok Ok everyone off my back! I'm going to buy one too! :D Tim, I will forever remember this thread as the one that made me buy the 20D! I'll be back in an hour... anyone looking for a Rebel? :rolleyes:

[tim]

I just got my camera, and it looks pretty sweet :) I've only used it for a few minutes because i'm at work, but here are my first impressions:
- Built like a tank! This thing should survive a while, and might even be ok with the odd drop.
- It's *loud*. The shutter is a lot louder than the 300D, and in rapid fire mode it sounds like a machine gun!
- The huge buffer's great, and it write to the card really, really fast.
- Love the extra dial, it makes for much quicker operation.
- Reviewing images is a lot quicker.
- Loving the black more than the silver :)

I'll have a decent play tonight, the international rugby sevens is on so I might wander around town and see what I can find to take photos of :)

[Fills]

Congrats Tim, I have the exact same impression as you.... now, to find something to shot at.

[michael.luczkow]

grrr..... (still waiting impatiently)

[Persian-Rice]

Tim, congrats. Umm, I would'nt try dropping it. lol

[tim]

Would anyway care to share any "I dropped my ..." stories?

[FlyingPete]

Is it here yet??? It had better be their before the weekend!

I supose we will know when cause you will stop posting for a while whilst you play with your new toy ;)

Not sure if you have already stated, but are you keeping the 300D, could be a good backup, not sure what they are worth secondhand.

After a day of playing with the 20D, pick up your 300D and see what you think then!

[tim]

You're you pointing your comments at Pete? Mine arrived earlier today.

I'm going to sell my 300D, one way I justified the cost to myself was "I can sell the 300D for a grand (NZ) or so". I don't need a backup camera. If you know of anyone who might be interested drop me a PM, otherwise it's going onto trademe tomorrow.

[FlyingPete]

You're you pointing your comments at Pete? Mine arrived earlier today.

I'm going to sell my 300D, one way I justified the cost to myself was "I can sell the 300D for a grand (NZ) or so". I don't need a backup camera. If you know of anyone who might be interested drop me a PM, otherwise it's going onto trademe tomorrow.

Yep, comments meant for you. Bummer to have a new toy and be stuck at work, at least it arrived before the weekend :)

I know alot of people sitting in the 'wait and see what the next model is' boat at the moment. Don't think the price is right for them yet, personally I think they are dreaming and will probably have to wait a few years until they can get what they want with what they are prepared to pay, i.e. 20D functionality for sub $1000 :rolleyes:

[tim]

It's because of the new model I really need to sell it ASAP.