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FatNakedGuy
7th of September 2008 (Sun), 14:08
Hey all!

I enjoy shooting concerts and only shoot bands that interest me. I will allow the bands to link to my galleries free of charge to share the images with their fans, etc. All images are watermarked and right-click protected, and if someone is interested in purchasing a print, the option is there for them. I do not actively try to sell the images shot (I've got a great day-job that pays the bills).

In the past, bands would ask for a specific image for promotional/merchandise usage and I'd create a contract with usage rights and payment terms. More often than not now, bands are wanting the entire collection of images on CD for promotional/merchandise/website usage, and they do not want to pay an arm & leg for them (you should hear all the sad stories I get about how they are all broke and can only offer me photo credit, and how important is to my career for credit, etc... too bad for them I was a fellow touring recording artist in my past life and had to have a budget for images just like everyone else).

My question is, when a band wants the images for commercial usage, how does one go about being fairly compensated for time spent shooting the event as well as for the licensing usage of hundreds of images?

Do I charge a 1/2 day rate of say $450 for my time spent on the 1 hour shoot, travel time, and 2 hours of processing, PLUS create a contract with specific licensing fees for the hundreds of images on top of that? And how does one determine licensing for hundreds of images? Or is it just the 1/2 day rate and they get the CD? (I don't think this would be right)

I'd like to help these folks out but refuse to give away my work for free or lose rights to the images when they stand to make money from them.

Thanks for any info you may have, I really appreciate it.


Rick
http://weller.smugmug.com/music

PhotosGuy
7th of September 2008 (Sun), 20:46
Concert Photography Tips: A FAQ Perhaps (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=226809)

Sticky: How much Do I Charge? One of the most often asked questions (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=137162)

Photography Rates (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=324925)

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amfoto1
8th of September 2008 (Mon), 21:15
Yes, probably a good idea to read that sticky.

Here are a few things to chew on....

$450 a day is very low. Maybe three times that, if you are new in the business. Plus expenses.

Yes, each image from the shoot is licensed. "Pricing Photography" by Michael Heron is another resource you might consider.

Why in the world would they want hundreds of images? Normally they'd just need to license a few for a specific purpose. If they want to come back and license more later, for another use, or renew the limited licensing on what they bought before, great. It's not like you and the images are going to disappear, is it?

Yes, they might get the digital files on CD, but it's not just a hand over of free usage or anything like that. You might give them a proof on CD, to pick the images they want to license. And then, later, you might provide the high res files they have chosen, but each will be governed by the written license agreement.