Infrared with Canon 20D

[lopix]

Just got my new 20D in December and wanted to try infrared shots with it. Seems to work not too bad at all, though this shot was a 10sec exposure due to the sun being low in the sky. Not much manipulation here, basically adjusted the white balance temp when processing the RAW file and then a slight hue shift in Photoshop.

Love to hear what people think!

[Naytwan]

Nice. I keep hearing the 20D is terrible at infrared, but this looks very good. Its a 10 sec exposure....what kind of times are you getting on other shots?

[lopix]

I heard the same, so I had to try it ;) Other than infrared, I am getting times all over the map - I shot the moon the other night and had it cranked to 1/5000 to get the details...

[Raj]

Nice, looks like a haunted place :-)
Probably crop a little from right to avoid the railing ...

[SeanH]

Interesting, I think the trick to getting great IR shots is straight photoshop knowledge. Personally I have shot a ton of IR film in the old days, but now that I am shoting digital I just get red shoots.....LOL. I am also using the 20D. Here's what they look like straight out of the camera.......#1.......#2 is hitting auto levels

So until I increase my PS skills, I have put the IR on the back burner. Also these are just large jpegs......like I said.....not PS skills, so RAW is in the future also.

[lopix]

Get yourself a good RAW processor like Bibble (www.bibblelabs.com) and tweak the white balance temperature, that is where I get most of the fun. And in PS, basically it is levels and maybe some hue shifting, really quite basic stuff. If I can help, ask me anything, I'll try to point you in the right direction :)

P.S. Also get shots like this:

[Geeeyejo]

Whew, these images give me flash backs from my crazier, hazier days in high school and college.... Great images all!

[lopix]

whoa... look at the colours man...

[Leonie]

I love these images, what ir filters are you guys using?

[lopix]

I am using the Hoya R72, supposed to be the best IR filter around. Might try some of the others one day, just for interest's sake :)

[Windup]

Good God! I just priced a Hoya R72 77mm.
$283
I guess I'll be getting one for the little 50mm f/1.8 LOL

[lopix]

Gads! Even at http://www.freestylephoto.biz/sc_search.php where I got mine, still $259... yowzers...

[Homer]

I was unsure of how my 20D would react with NIR photography so I picked up a smaller 58 mm HOYA R72 filter to put on my kit lens so it didn't set me back much. The exposures are really long but I was pleased with the results from my first shots. The only adjustment on this shot is colour correction and some resizing. Snows melted here so can't wait to try it when all the warm colours of spring are out. I think this shot is about 15 s at ISO 800

[ssim]

Awesome shot. Makes me want to give this another try.

[Jackal]

Btw, how does this work? Is the 20D the only one that can do this? I thought i read somewhere that it's not a normal 20D and has some IR thingy (so technical) removed?

Might be able to replicate this in photoshop though :o

[PrimaPhoto]

You guys give me confidence in my 20D, personally I think the G2 is an awesome camera for IR work. I'll have to try the 20D though.
Image taken with my G2 (an old icefishing spot I recently visited)

[embdaw]

I found the hoya r72 filter on ebay for $170 by seller "47st.photo"
http://pics.ebaystatic.com/aw/pics/x.gifhttp://pics.ebaystatic.com/aw/pics/s.gif

[Raj]

Hello,

Can you people please enlighten me. I have a 20D, a 50mm f1.8, so if I want to do a IR, how can I do it ?
- I need to get some filter ?
- I can fix it in PSCS alone ?
Too dumb but please explain.
Thanks in advance.

[Homer]

I have a G3 and find it is much more sensitive to near-infrared light than my 20D but the pics I got off the G3 were so grainy when compared to my 20D. Prima, your photo is not grainy at all, might need to give it another try on the G3.

There is a version of the 20D where they have taken out the IR filter, or at least changed it. I believe its called the 20Da and is only available in Japan at the moment. There is a company called Hutech that produces a very similar product too. These products seemed aimed at astrophotography.

Dont really need much, just pick up an infrared filter such as Hoya R72 and screw it on your lense, it looks completely black and you can't see through it. Just put the filter on your lense and experiment with exposure times. Looking through the viewfinder is pretty much pointless unless you have a really strong infrared light source so you may need to also experiment with the focusing, but my 20D locked on just fine. The picture will come out looking really red, this can be fixed easily in Pshop or C1. You can also set the custom white balance on your 20D to compensate.

[CyberDyneSystems]

Find out about IR Photography from the best,.. Don Ellis;
http://www.kleptography.com/

He even trells you how to convert your G2 ;)

[psk4363]

Have you tried converting them to black and white? I'd bet they'd look equally stunning.

Barry

[PrimaPhoto]

The 20D works but with a long exposure needed to capture a IR image your trees will be blurry on a slightly windy day.

I think the G-series of cameras are the best for ir work. I don't get any "grain" with my ir shots. I just had a showing at my local art gallery with my if photos. I print them at 11"x14" with minimal grain. I always shoot at RAW mode then develop using PS CS. Also I don't feel the G2 camera needs to be modified.

http://www.primaveraphoto.com/infrared/winterIR.php

http://www.primaveraphoto.com/photodbase/list.php?exhibition=21

[poli]

hi lopix and primaphoto,
really awesome shots you got there with the 20D!!! I am glad that it works with this camera 'cos I own one myself and I am really keen on checking it out! I just bought the Heliopan Filter R715 which blocks pretty much the same wavelenghts than the Hoya R72, but I am just wondering about the exposure times...what times are you using? what are your ISO-settings? it should probably a mix between grain and not exposing too long and causing too much noise...
thanks in advance for your help!
poli

[lopix]

They do look good in b/w, here is one to show how it looks. It also shows th blur of a branch in the wind due to the long exposure times. I was shooting around 15-30s @ ISO 100 and f/8, but I think I can get shorter times in stronger sun. Mine were taken in Jan or so, around 3-4pm, so not the best times for IR work. And there was a lot of grain because of the long shutter times, have to figure something out for that. Post processing with NeatImage removed a lot of it, but no the results I wanted. Will try the noise reduction feature of the 20D and see what that does, also will try covering the eyepiece to make sure no light is sneaking in the back door...

Just itching for the leaves to get back on the trees so I can get out and shoot some more IR with this cam!

[poli]

hi lopix,

thanks a lot for the info! yeah, sureley the exposure times are a bit long, but let's see in summer how fast we can get. have you tried higher iso-settings as well? I think I will try 30 sec as well and take it from there, going down while increasing iso...
btw: really nice pic!
michael

[lopix]

I would like to get under 10s if possible, trying to stay at ISO 100. May have to go to 200, but I will try a lot of different settings and see what happens. Just want some sun and some leaves!

[shortie]

Hi All


Here are a couple taken with a G5 and a hoya filter last year sometime

Shortie

http://www.malpas.com/canon/ir-1.jpg

http://www.malpas.com/canon/ir-2.jpg

[PrimaPhoto]

Nice shots, Shortie!
What mode do you shoot with your G5? I find Av mode the best.
Do you shoot in RAW mode?

Here's my latest winter IR gallery: http://www.primaveraphoto.com/infrared/winterIR.php

[Kerbouchard]

Argh! As if I need another avenue to pursue in photography. I absolutely love them -- fantastic job!

Not even a week ago I was out here http://ghonis2.ho8.com/rebelmodnew.html looking at instructions on removing the IR cut filter from the 300d.

[lopix]

ooh, I would be careful removing the filter, it is very tricky and you can damage your camera. That and once the filter is removed, all of your pix will have IR light in them, as there is nothing now to block it. Think very carefully about surgery on your camera...

[Kerbouchard]

Think very carefully about surgery on your camera...

Hehe -- I don't even own one yet, so it would be surgery on someone else's camera. Not as intimidating! :rolleyes:

I certainly would not recommend something like that unless IR was going to be your primary shooting method, or you don't mind the possibility of messing up a $700 body. The camera could certainly be used for standard (non-IR) photography with the addition of an external X-nite CC1 filter, according to that site.

[lopix]

I would test it first, I heard that I had to remove the IR cut filter in the 20D as well, but it turned out I did not... If I want to hand-hold and shoot IR I would have to, but with a tripod, I am good to go!

[shortie]

Nice shots, Shortie!
What mode do you shoot with your G5? I find Av mode the best.
Do you shoot in RAW mode?



Hi PrimaPhoto

here is what I did

Equipment required

a piece of white paper
And something to shoot

Set the camera up on the tripod, set to manual and set your app and speed to suit then focus manually - take a few colour shots to check focus and composition (not very good here in my case) put the the filter on the camera and then holding the paper in front of the camera set a manual white balance. Set you app to about 5.6 and speed to about 1 sec take a shoot and review and then keep increasing /decreasing the speed until you are happy and away you go

These were taken a 5.6 and a shutter of 8 secs I think

Shortie

[pierrot]

Btw, is there no "filter" in Photoshop able to render kind of an IR effect?

Making IR pictures is certainly fun (reminds me of my student years and funny film experiences), but at the cost of the R72 filter, it's an expensive pastime, uh? :rolleyes:

[PrimaPhoto]

Thanks Shortie for the information.

I did try my 20D for infrared and gave up, it doesn't do as well as my G2. Now all my IR work is with a G2.

Settings:


Av Mode
aperture setting 2.3-6.3
RAW mode
Iso 50
Hoya R72 filter
I think my longest shutter speed is around 1/4sec.
You guys are getting way to long of exposures for me, when I do people I can't have the model sit for a 10 second exposure. Plus I'm not a fan of blurry branches, I like the trees to be sharp and crisp. This year I plan on using my G2 for some wedding photos.

If anyone wants to do serious IR work I suggest a G2 or G3.

Mark

[C.S.I.]

SeanH

#2 is absolutely STUNNING....gj!

[InTheDark]

found the hoya r72 filter on ebay for $170 by seller "47st.photo"

I found the rm72 infrared Hoya filter on B&H but not a r72. Can someone please tell me what is the difference between the r72 and the rm72?

[PhotosGuy]

Good God! I just priced a Hoya R72 77mm. $283 Kodak makes 3" gelatin filters & the Wratten #87 for under $20 might get you started.

[Duder]

I ordered an R72 the other day. can't wait to try it out.

[Raj]

I ordered two Hoya R72 (52 & 62 mm) but its a long wait for me as I ordered them in States & have to get then shipped to Japan .. :-(

[-TheGlassPrison-]

Wow... thats really awsome! Im diggin the colors!

[TeddyLovessss]

hi guys. just happened to go by this page by accident (google actually)
let me introducing to you some of my IR shots with my 20D and my 24-70 f/2.8L
these shots are roughly 20 seconds at f5.6 and ISO400

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v480/teddyloves/Infrared/MontRoyalIR2.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v480/teddyloves/Infrared/cotesdesneiges1.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v480/teddyloves/Infrared/cotesdesneiges2.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v480/teddyloves/Infrared/MontRoyalIR3.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v480/teddyloves/Infrared/MontRoyalIR1.jpg

by the way i got a shot of a graveyard, too. the IR effect makes it kinda spooky isnt it

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v480/teddyloves/Infrared/graveyard1.jpg

[TeddyLovessss]

guess what, this particular shot was taken with my 70-200mm f/2.8L IS, under a tungsten light, and the exposure was at f/5.6 and ISO100 (see how smooth it is) for 10 minutes. yeah, i mean 10 minutes.

[TeddyLovessss]

by the way SeanH, your images have great potential. here's just a variation i did to your jpeg file. imagine what could have been done to it if i got the raw file
hope you dont mind

[Raj]

Beautiful ! simply awesome. Great job TeddyLove !
I am still waiting for my IR filters...

[PrimaPhoto]

TeddyLovessss, you've given me inspiration to use my Canon 20D for IR!

Good work!

[Wazza]

I also feel like this post is inspiration for my 20D shooting also. :)

However, must concentrate on my current plan, of trying to shoot the moon with a telescope.

[PrimaPhoto]

Wazza (http://member.php?u=20138) - Right on!

I came across an idea... since the exposures are quite long with the 20D I shot at sunrise, no wind and hence no blurry trees.

Pekka may have to start a seperate forum for us IR shooters?

Have a good weekend!

[gasitman]

Those are amazing, I wish I could take pics like that.

[lopix]

with the weather bette, the sun out and the leaves showing, I just have to get out an shoot some more IR - hope this weekend is nice, too much cloud past 2 days...

[mg09]

Wazza (http://member.php?u=20138) - Right on!

I came across an idea... since the exposures are quite long with the 20D I shot at sunrise, no wind and hence no blurry trees.

Pekka may have to start a seperate forum for us IR shooters?

Have a good weekend!
well this is my first time replying to a message on here the IR info drew me in. Just got a 20d and i was hunting for pics of IR to see how viable it was before investing in a filter. I love the photos some great stuff on here. as for shooting at sunrise you may be SOL exposure times could be stupidly long... i was getting 10min exposures with an ilford SFX gel filter with cloudy skies a few days ago. Im guessing during sunrise you'll have the same probs... but if you dont post back im interested to see the results and how long the exposures work

Rich

[InTheDark]

I'm looking at getting in to IR with my 20D soon. Gonna go to Beijing next month and I want to do some IR work with all of the palaces! I'm wondering if anyone knows how big of a difference using a Hoya R72 or a Hoya R90 filter will make. I mean it's obvious that one lets in rays over 700nm and the other 900nm but aside from measurements that are to small to contemplate does anyone have any real world experience with the two? R72 sure is a hell of a lot cheaper!

[lopix]

Not totally sure what the different would be, image-wise, but I heard that the R72 was the best, so that is what I use.

Here are a couple more recent ones...

[FilmFlam]

I cranked my iso up to 1600 and was able to get my exposures down to 1 second with the R72 in place...if you like the grainy HIE look that's an option but I prefer to go with less noise and longer exposure time. In a perfect world I'ld like to see someone who could replace the IR blocking material with an R72 material so that I could shoot using a nice bright viewfinder but still reap the benefits of a true infra-red conversion camera.

[Duder]

that'll be cool. especially if the auto focus worked correctly.

[mg09]

i just picked up my B+W 93 IR filter this one is a true opaque filter *no sneeking a peak through the viewfinder!* and possibly some very very long exposure times... hopefully i'll have some images to post in about 5-6 hours :)


rich

[kkapple]

WOW!

I have yet again been inspired by all of these images.
I too am going to start shooting Infrared with my 20D.
All of the images posted are great.
Can't wait to get started.

[SueE]

Canon 10D (different sensor from 20D? I'm not sure), custom white balance, 940nm filter bought on e-bay from China (not expensive). 8 seconds. Because I set the white balance, it was pretty much b&w. Needs work on overbright areas. I had to remove a bright spot - but I love my 24mm lens anyway!

[papagei]

Ok, bottom line - can I use an R72 filter on my 20D without any surgery to remove the internal filter and get good shots? No hotspots?

I am desparate to do IR, but it is making me crazy already. I have a DiMAGE A2 and bought the R72 to try it out on it (being only 49mm, it is cheaper). Anyway, the results are awful. All purple and a big ugly hotspot. Does that mean it is impossible to do IR on that A2?

I have to know it is possible to use the filter on a 20D w/o mods before I plunk down serious money for it.

And if there is anyone out there using that combo (either the Canon or A2), please post how you do it - the Dummies version please :)

[starzphalling]

can you only do infared with the 20d or can you with the 10d too..?? i can't afford a new camera and i got my 10d i think me and Raj are in the same place here, close to complete confusion. thanx!!

[Duder]

Ok, bottom line - can I use an R72 filter on my 20D without any surgery to remove the internal filter and get good shots? No hotspots?

I am desparate to do IR, but it is making me crazy already. I have a DiMAGE A2 and bought the R72 to try it out on it (being only 49mm, it is cheaper). Anyway, the results are awful. All purple and a big ugly hotspot. Does that mean it is impossible to do IR on that A2?

I have to know it is possible to use the filter on a 20D w/o mods before I plunk down serious money for it.

And if there is anyone out there using that combo (either the Canon or A2), please post how you do it - the Dummies version please :)

you can use the R72 on the 20D and get good shots, but expect very long exposures. using ISO100 you'd need about a 30sec exposure in bright sunlight. ISO800 needs around 4sec, therefore a tripod is essential, and focusing is tricky because you can't see anything through the viewfinder.
hotspots are dependant on the lens.

[SueE]

Yes I did mine (see above) on a 10D with no surgery and I suspect you can on the 20D too. It is the lenses that cause the hot spots. A list of good lenses is on the site but is not comprehensive. You can get cheapish IR filters. I got one from China on ebay - not branded, but excellent. Or you can get a cheap gel or resin filter to find out if it is okay. IR is great and you can remove hotspots up to a point in Photoshop.

[weka2000]

Has anyone tryed with sigma lens. At this stage I have a EF-S 18-55 with 3 IR filters 760,850 and 950 all made in china. So the ideal time is a still day with about a 10-20sec exposure on tripod.

What work then needs to be done in photoshop.

Does anyone have a tutorial for the 20D and I/R?

[Ron Lacey]

Has anyone tryed with sigma lens. At this stage I have a EF-S 18-55 with 3 IR filters 760,850 and 950 all made in china. So the ideal time is a still day with about a 10-20sec exposure on tripod.

What work then needs to be done in photoshop.

Does anyone have a tutorial for the 20D and I/R?

What I do is first create a custom white balance based on a frame filled with either green foliage or grass.

Set the camera on a tripod and compose and focus without the filter.

Place the filter on the camera.

Set a manual exposure at ISO 800 of f16 (this will give you a broader DoF needed for IR focus) and exposure times of between 15 and 30 seconds (you may have to use longer exposures on dull days.

Use mirror lockup and a remote shutter release switch of the timer.

I don't have do much in Photoshop with these.

Ron

[weka2000]

Thats impressive. Will give that a go on your recommendations and see what restults I get. I assume you focus first then put the IR filter on.

[Ron Lacey]

Thats impressive. Will give that a go on your recommendations and see what restults I get. I assume you focus first then put the IR filter on.

Yep you can't focus with the filter on since virtually no visible light passes it.

Ron

[Stacienrt]

aaak! I hope I didn't miss out on all of the fun since I am brand new to this forum. I hope someone will view this post even though the original was posted awhile back. I have a brand new Digital Rebel XT and have no info whatsoever on how well it does with IR photography. There is no way I can send it off for "the surgery" , especially since the camera itself was a huge purchase for me. I am a total beginner, just finally grasping the basics of photography when I stumbled onto some beautiful IR pics. Now I can't get it out of my head. Does anyone know if the XT varies that much from the 20D when it comes to IR photography? I have a Hoya R72 filter on its way here, so i guess I'll find out soon enough. Any info would be appreciated.... by the way, the IR shots posted here are fabulous!
Great job!

Stacie

[Ron Lacey]

Now I can't get it out of my head. Does anyone know if the XT varies that much from the 20D when it comes to IR photography? I have a Hoya R72 filter on its way here, so i guess I'll find out soon enough. Any info would be appreciated.... by the way, the IR shots posted here are fabulous!
Great job!

Stacie



I don't see why you shouldn't be able to do IR with the XT Stacie. To start off with create a custom white balance using a photo of green grass or foliage. Set the camera on a tripod then compose and focus without the filter. Set the exposure and focus to manual and install the filter being careful not to disturb the camera. You'll have to experiment with exposure but start by bracketing around ISO 400-800, f 5.6-11 and 20 to 30 seconds using either a cable release of the camera timer.

HTH
Ron

[Stacienrt]

Thank you so much for your speedy reply! I received my R72 today, and I am pretty excited to get started! The first picture I took was on ISO800, Manual exposure mode, 20 second shutter speed (I know its long, it was the first I tried and then it became cloudy!) on f16. I custom white balanced to a fake green plant, wasn't thrilled with the results because the plant still seemed dull red.. I also shot on RAW+jpeg mode, the idea of which still confuses me... Anyway, the picture came out red, but visible. I would love if someone could help me adjust on PS to some funky false color shemes? I desaturated it and changed it to different hues, but none of which flatter me like the pictures I have seen online and here. Any help would be really appreciated! Thanks!
Stacie

[weka2000]

Dont forget to post some shots.

[Ron Lacey]

Thank you so much for your speedy reply! I received my R72 today, and I am pretty excited to get started! The first picture I took was on ISO800, Manual exposure mode, 20 second shutter speed (I know its long, it was the first I tried and then it became cloudy!) on f16. I custom white balanced to a fake green plant, wasn't thrilled with the results because the plant still seemed dull red.. I also shot on RAW+jpeg mode, the idea of which still confuses me... Anyway, the picture came out red, but visible. I would love if someone could help me adjust on PS to some funky false color shemes? I desaturated it and changed it to different hues, but none of which flatter me like the pictures I have seen online and here. Any help would be really appreciated! Thanks!
Stacie

When I said to create a custom white balance I meant that you have to take a picture with the filter on consisting of green foliage completely and use that photo when the camera asks you which image to use. I doubt using a fake plant will work since I suspect it's IR reflective characteristics are quite different than those of living foliage. 20 seconds at f16 may well be too short an exposure. In PS process your RAW file and experiment with the Hue, Tint, and White Balance. If you live in the north this isn't the best time to be taking IR photos since the technique is most effective on greenery.

RAW+Jpg simply means the camera outputs two files for each photo, a camera RAW file or *.CR2 (*.CRW depending on your camera) and a standard jpg file. Working in the RAW format will give you the most versitility in processing your photos in PS or the Canon software.

HTH
Ron

[Stacienrt]

Ron, thanks so much! I didn't realize that I had to custom white balance with the filter ON...... I'll try that in the morning! I used a plant and quickly took a picture of my back trees to test the IR filter and played with the colors on PS. Its my first shot, so go easy on me!

[scholar]

great shots.... i've got something new to try!

you've got an awesome eye!

[ChP]

What happens when you take the IR cut filter out of a camera? Do the results improve

[Ron Lacey]

Ron, thanks so much! I didn't realize that I had to custom white balance with the filter ON...... I'll try that in the morning! I used a plant and quickly took a picture of my back trees to test the IR filter and played with the colors on PS. Its my first shot, so go easy on me!

Looks like you have the idea down fine:)

Ron

[Ron Lacey]

What happens when you take the IR cut filter out of a camera? Do the results improve

Removing the high pass filter and replacing it with an internal Hoya R72 allows you to use hand held shutter speeds as well as being able to compose the image in the viewfinder removing much of the tedious stuff and yes you would almost certainly get better results.

Ron

[RiftsWRX]

Speaking of hot spots. I had a few shots I did with my 24MM f/1.4L (f/4.0, 10s exp, ISO 100). It's inconsistent. One day I was seeing a very faint hot spot dead center as I stopped the camera down more (f/13), and yesterday a few images had them at f/4. Be a shame if my 24MM L isn't one of the "good" lenses people say work with the R72.

Jorge (RiftsWRX)
www.ProjectWRX.com

[Ron Lacey]

Speaking of hot spots. I had a few shots I did with my 24MM f/1.4L (f/4.0, 10s exp, ISO 100). It's inconsistent. One day I was seeing a very faint hot spot dead center as I stopped the camera down more (f/13), and yesterday a few images had them at f/4. Be a shame if my 24MM L isn't one of the "good" lenses people say work with the R72.

I'm guessing you used a long shutter speed on the ones with the hot spots. Try using the eyepiece cover (usually attached to the camera strap) to prevent light entering through the pentaprism and fogging the image.

Ron

[jothefish]

I have a 20D that I am not using too much anymore and would love to try this IR...
How would I go about removing a high pass filter and replacing it with an internal Hoya r72 fliter?
Where is the high pass filter? Is this something I can do at home on my own - or do I have to send my camera in somewhere?

[Ron Lacey]

I have a 20D that I am not using too much anymore and would love to try this IR...
How would I go about removing a high pass filter and replacing it with an internal Hoya r72 fliter?
Where is the high pass filter? Is this something I can do at home on my own - or do I have to send my camera in somewhere?

You can do it yourself if you're handy you'll need to buy the custom R72 filter here

http://www.lifepixel.com/shop/cart.php?m=product_list&c=1

And you'll find instructions here

http://www.lifepixel.com/ir-tutorials/canon-20d-digital-infrared-conversion-instructions.htm

Ron

[jothefish]

Thanks for the links - I'll give it a go... Let's see if a girls got the mechanics and delicate touch needed!

Jo

[jothefish]

You can do it yourself if you're handy you'll need to buy the custom R72 filter here

http://www.lifepixel.com/shop/cart.php?m=product_list&c=1

And you'll find instructions here

http://www.lifepixel.com/ir-tutorials/canon-20d-digital-infrared-conversion-instructions.htm

Ron


Even better - they will do it for me!

Thanks

[Stacienrt]

Wow, thats my first compliment, I am truly a beginner, trying to understand the basics of regular photography, let alone IR photography. I just wanted to add that I am using alens that is supposedly not good for IR shots (hot spots) but I have none. I wonder if its because I shaded the eyepiece? SOmeone recommended it online.

[ducky]

WOW, i have to learn how to do that.

[johnnylongwood]

I checked out the list of lenses below, there was a question about the EF-S 17-85 IS lens, w/ no replies. Does anyone have any exprience with it? Still wondering if it fits into the good or bad category.

My first attempt leads me to believe the lens fits into the bad category, but I'm a new to the digital relm, and have never shot IR. Operator error is the most likely problem.

I will try again using the suggestions posted here (custom setting AWB, long shutter speed, cover the eyepiece, etc.). Hopefully with better results. Any additional feedback/tips would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks - John

[RiftsWRX]

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=145142&highlight=jorge <-- a little update on how I moved forward into the IR realm.

Jorge (RiftsWRX)
www.ProjectWRX.com

[tol1l1yboy]

Stacie, could you either post a link to wherever you found that little bit of info on shooting ir and shading the lens or tell us what you did? Thanks.

Just got my ir filter and will be taking some pics in the next few days. Cant wait!!!

[joejones]

Man, oh man ... I would KILL for the ability to shoot images like those in the thread above! I am still a definite "newbie", and even though I have my 20D, I am still struggling with the fuzzy pixels issue. i can't get the camera to take those razor sharp images you "pros" are taking! I don't know what i am doing wrong, but I'm not QUITE reaqdy to put the camera on eBay yet. I bought a Tiffan #87 filter and began to experiment with IR yesterday. I don't know what I am doing wrong, but MY exposures were nearly 20 MINUTES just to get anything resembling an image.

Here is an IR shot straight out of the camera (reduced in size) and the same photo with auto-levels and a bit of sharpening. They are ... okay ... but they don't even come CLOSE to the stuff you guys are doing ... darn-it!

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL11/872932/4588543/142481086.jpg

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL11/872932/4588543/142481087.jpg

[Krissy]

Very nice -- it feels eerie, perfect!!

[tol1l1yboy]

I just got the xt and the r72 so go easy on me. I tried using some of the suggestions but I havent been able to get anything anywhere near what some of you are doing.

Anyhow here it is:

http://static.flickr.com/48/137862235_62dfbd6379.jpg?v=0

This is with postprocessing in ps using an action I found on one of the suggested ir sites.

Very noisy and not a lot of good mix of colors but it was pretty dark when it came out of the camera. Here is the original shot at iso800 7 seconds at f8 with a custom white balance of green grass without filter on.

http://static.flickr.com/55/137865099_a7f3dba49d.jpg?v=0

I tried using a custom white balance with the filter on of green grass but the pictures came out very dark purple (almost black) or very bright pink (all washed out) and didnt really give me anything to do with them.

Any suggestions would be much appreciated.

[TeddyLovessss]

hey guys, long time no see. (for those who dont remember me, i posted my first pics on page 3 of this thread a year ago ^^)
a couple IR shots i did a few days ago. hope you like

crazy color
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v480/teddyloves/Infrared/060604-IR-PICT0017-web.jpg

subtle color
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v480/teddyloves/Infrared/060604-IR-PICT0043-web.jpg

[Ron Lacey]

hey guys, long time no see. (for those who dont remember me, i posted my first pics on page 3 of this thread a year ago ^^)
a couple IR shots i did a few days ago. hope you like



Nice, I particularly like Crazy colour. Did you shoot this with your 24-70 f2.8L lens? The reason I ask is I see you're getting a hot spot in the middle of the image similar to what I experience using my 28-70 f2.8 L when shooting IR.

Ron

[TeddyLovessss]

the hot spot can happen at any lens at any aperture. i think it's because of the reflection of the lights inside the lens. to me it's rather a color shift, because whenever i desaturate the hole image, it disapears. therefore, it's relatively easy to remove with color correction tools in PS. here i keep it because it looks pretty nice. other than that, one easy (and lazy) way to get rid of it is, of course, to use another lens that doesn't produce hot spots. from my experience, some of the lenses that don't produce hot spots are 50mm f/1.8 (mk1 and mk2), 28mm f/1.8, 17-85mm f4-5.6 IS, 28-135mm f3.5-5/6 IS ... sometimes, i shoot with those old M42 lenses too.

[Ron Lacey]

the hot spot can happen at any lens at any aperture. i think it's because of the reflection of the lights inside the lens. to me it's rather a color shift, because whenever i desaturate the hole image, it disapears. therefore, it's relatively easy to remove with color correction tools in PS. here i keep it because it looks pretty nice. other than that, one easy (and lazy) way to get rid of it is, of course, to use another lens that doesn't produce hot spots. from my experience, some of the lenses that don't produce hot spots are 50mm f/1.8 (mk1 and mk2), 28mm f/1.8, 17-85mm f4-5.6 IS, 28-135mm f3.5-5/6 IS ... sometimes, i shoot with those old M42 lenses too.

Yep I have a couple of lenses that don't produce hot spots, I prefer not to have to fix them in post production myself so I use an EF 28-105 II for most of my IR shots with my converted D60.
Ron

[My Porsche]

There is a version of the 20D where they have taken out the IR filter, or at least changed it. I believe its called the 20Da and is only available in Japan at the moment. There is a company called Hutech that produces a very similar product too. These products seemed aimed at astrophotography.

Nope, www.bhphotovideo.com (http://www.bhphotovideo.com) has it, its got that, noise reduction, a live view LCD and something else but i forgot

EDIT: sorry if that post was outdated and i didnt see a response earlier in the thread.

[weka2000]

So you take your shot and you get a raw image. What are peoples PP work flow to bring out the colours. Mine come out red which I assume is normal. I read some where about "channel swaping"