New Canon SX1IS, SX10IS, SD990IS and SD880IS

[Yogesh Sarkar]

Canon has announced the following models today:

Canon SX1IS and SX10IS (http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08091703canon_sx1is_sx10is.asp)

Canon SD990IS and SD880IS (http://www.usa.canon.com/templatedata/pressrelease/20080917_elph_sd990is_sd880is.html)

[lanslub]

Nikon is now shaking. Hope, it will be available soon.

[Neel350]

Is this SX 1 give the noise free picture due to it's CMOS Sensor ? (what they called in-chip noise reduction)

According to DP Review, it has '35 MP/cm² pixel density' where as their basic SLR 1000D have '3.1 MP/cm² pixel density'....Is this point out the amount of noise...or what else is this ? Please any experts clarify this.

Thanks in Advance.

[S45_fornow...]

Having owned an S3 IS, I'm interested in the Sx10 (or SX1 if we get it in the US).

I've been hearing bad things about the control wheel (clumsy and hard to know where you're at while turning it) and the "slow" lens (5.7) at full tele (20x).

I read that the new improved IS system on the Sx10 gives you 4 full stops over non-IS, but I'm wondering in comparison to my S3 what the actual f-stop will be at 12x zoom (not the full 20x zoom that the SX10 is capable of). Hell, a lot of high quality zoom lenses are slow at full zoom. I'm basically curious more than anything and it sure isn't a deal breaker although the control wheel could be a problem.

I'll try to get into our local Circuit City or Best Buy to check it out, but in the meantime does anyone have experience with the SX10 regarding the above that they could share?

Thanks.

[PhotoFranz]

[quote=S45_fornow...;6494153] ...Hell, a lot of high quality zoom lenses are slow at full zoom...quote]


I agree. I currently use a Tamron 28-300mm VC lens as my outside walk around lens on an XTi. This lens is f/6.3 at 300mm. I cannot afford better glass and am seriously considering the SX10.

[waynesplash]

I think I am going for the PowerShot SX1 IS.

However when they say; (HD) Up to 4GB or 29 min. 59 sec. (L and M) Up to 4GB or 1 hour.

Will this be the same for every 4GB card, I know this might sound a silly question, but I heard somewhere that you have to buy a different card for the HD.

Wayne

[Jon]

That's the upper limit; factors influencing it will be the complexity of the scene ("busier" scenes will take up more space, so won't necessarily run as long before hitting the 4 GB ceiling) and the card's performance (though my A620 didn't care about the card in shooting video up to the 1 GB limit it had; I wouldn't expect it to matter for 30 fps video on these, though it might matter on HD video).

[waynesplash]

That's the upper limit; factors influencing it will be the complexity of the scene ("busier" scenes will take up more space, so won't necessarily run as long before hitting the 4 GB ceiling) and the card's performance (though my A620 didn't care about the card in shooting video up to the 1 GB limit it had; I wouldn't expect it to matter for 30 fps video on these, though it might matter on HD video).

Thx.

Wow you people are quick/great at answering.

Do you know anything about an expensive GB HB card ???

Wayne

[waynesplash]

Maybe this is what I was thinking of.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/GENUINE-FUJI-FILM-16GB-SD-SDHC-MEMORY-CARD-CLASS-4-GB_W0QQitemZ200263272663QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item20 0263272663&_trkparms=39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A3%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

But would this be the one for HD ??? But I would be better off buy 4, 4gb card ???

Wayne

[Jon]

I use nothing but SanDisk; since I have DSLRs as well, which mean large files, I get nothing less than Extreme IIIs and I've been happy with them. My A620, however, was fine with a plain blue SanDisk 2 GB (the max it'll take). Remember though that SanDisk's 4 GB is a "decimal" or "salesman's" 4 GB, 4,000,000,000 bytes and Canon's talking "binary" or "real" 4 GB, or 4,294,967,296 bytes. You won't be able to get as long a recording on the SanDisk 4 GB as you will on the 8 GB. OTOH, even 4 GB is an awful lot of JPEG files. If you plan on doing much video, I'd say to get 8s; otherwise I'd say to get 4s.

[waynesplash]

I use nothing but SanDisk; since I have DSLRs as well, which mean large files, I get nothing less than Extreme IIIs and I've been happy with them. My A620, however, was fine with a plain blue SanDisk 2 GB (the max it'll take). Remember though that SanDisk's 4 GB is a "decimal" or "salesman's" 4 GB, 4,000,000,000 bytes and Canon's talking "binary" or "real" 4 GB, or 4,294,967,296 bytes. You won't be able to get as long a recording on the SanDisk 4 GB as you will on the 8 GB. OTOH, even 4 GB is an awful lot of JPEG files. If you plan on doing much video, I'd say to get 8s; otherwise I'd say to get 4s.

K thx.

But what about for the HD films ???

Wayne

[Jon]

You've still got the 4 GB ceiling. HD video's pretty new for Canon - I don't know how demanding it'll be in real life. The SX-1 isn't (yet, I hope that'll change) available in the US. But running the numbers it looks like HD video's 50% more demanding than continuous shooting in the SX-1, so I wouldn't mess around with slower cards.

[waynesplash]

K thx, and points taken.

Wayne

[c2thew]

so when are the sx1's going to "not" arrive in the states? =)

[MaDMaXX]

Spring, apparently.

[canondale]

K thx.

But what about for the HD films ???

Wayne

exactly. the 1024 doesnt capture at 30fps.

[erock901]

Hi All. I'm thinking of buying an SX1IS. I've been searching the web for comparison pictures between the S5 and SX1 but no luck. I'm interested in the SX1 for obvious features (i.e. 20x zoom, full HD, CMOS). Does anyone know if there will be much difference between the two cameras in low light settings given the fact that the SX1 has CMOS/Digic 4? I would guess there would be but, I haven't found a way to confirm that. The only thing I know about CMOS is that it increases speed of the camera. I'm not sure if it has any affect on IQ though. Any advice would be appreciated.

[hollisg]

Doe's anyone know how to get the super macro mode on the sx10is.
And what's the best setting to take pic's of lights over water at night ? Thnx any help would be great.

[PhotoFranz]

Doe's anyone know how to get the super macro mode on the sx10is.
And what's the best setting to take pic's of lights over water at night ? Thnx any help would be great.


If you hold the macro button for a bit more than 1 second, it will go into Super Macro.

See page 73 of your manual.

[hollisg]

I tried that but it does'nt seem to work for me . Have you got it go into super macro mode?

[PhotoFranz]

Yes, I have. It seems to be no problem at all.

Make sure you are not in a scene mode or Auto. Super macro is not available in all modes, Auto for instance. Check page 284 of your manual for a chart showing all available functions and modes. Macro and Super Macro are near the bottom of each page of the chart.

[hollisg]

thanks for the help.

[CanonGlass3]

I own the S5 IS its a good camera, but if the SX1 IS comes out I want to get it.. or maybe a XSi..I am not sure which is better :|

[PhotoFranz]

I see you are in California. The SX1 IS is not for sale in the USA.

I had an XTi and sold it to buy the SX10 IS. They are really for diffenent types of photography as far as I am concerned. Look at posts I made in the last month and I talk about my reasons for changing cameras.

[erock901]

I got my SX1 last Saturday but haven't had a chance to take any pics yet. I did shoot 1 quick HD movie. Does anyone have any advice on how to convert the .MOV file to something I can work with in Window Movie Maker or muvee? I can't convert the .MOV file in the Canon Zoom Browser EX app. I searched the net and found many 3rd party conversion apps but was unsure of which one to choose. Any advise would be appreciated.

Thanks!

[PhotoFranz]

I got my SX1 last Saturday but haven't had a chance to take any pics yet. I did shoot 1 quick HD movie. Does anyone have any advice on how to convert the .MOV file to something I can work with in Window Movie Maker or muvee? I can't convert the .MOV file in the Canon Zoom Browser EX app. I searched the net and found many 3rd party conversion apps but was unsure of which one to choose. Any advise would be appreciated.

Thanks!

Congrats on the new camera. How did you get the SX1 in the USA? I use Sony movie maker with my SX10. I can directly import the movies from the SX10 into this program and export them as MPEG2.

[erock901]

Thanks PhotoFranz. I got the camera when I was in Japan. I'll try out Sony Vegas Studio 9. So if I use this app to burn an HD video to DVD, and then play the DVD in my Panisonic Bluray player, will it actually display an HD picture? Sorry if that's a dumb question, I'm new at this video thing.

[PhotoFranz]

I think I gave a dumb answer before. I forgot that you have HD. I know nothing about HD at all. I am not sure what programs work with that.

Oh well...

[alan_potter]

I had a tough time doing something useful with the .MOV file that the camera generated. I do not have a BluRay drive, so wanted to create a file that I could put onto a USB stick and play on my Samsung TV.

What I ended up doing was:

1. Import the file into Vegas Movie Studio 9.
2. Render the video stream as 1920 x 1080, suitable for Blue Ray (I can't remember the encoding usde, but it was the bottom one in the list of avialable options in Movie Studio 9).
3. Render the audio as WAV
4. Use TMPGENC to re-render the audio as .m2a
5. Use TMPGENC to multiplex the audio and video to an MPG file

Clumsy, I know, but it worked.

Adobe Premiere Elements would render directly to something usable, but I find the UI of the Vegas family to be much more usable.

Also, Microsoft Expression Media Encoder seemed to handle things nicely - I used it to create http://www.stagepics.co.uk/temp/mvi_0020.wmv - but it's very pricey.

I am sure that better solutions will come along.

regards,
/alan

[Billy Mac]

I just got a new Canon SD880 IS with a 4gig chip and have a problem. I have two computers, a desktop which I like to use for photo projects and a laptop. Both run windows xp sp2 with all updates installed. I installed the Canon software on the desktop and when I attached the camera via usb to the computer all the pictures came through corrupted when downloaded. I tried using both the canon software and the windows software with the same result. My Kodak camera downloads to the desktop with no problem and I can download from the Canon to the laptop with no problem just using the windows camera/scanner program. I'd really like to use my desktop so does anyone know what the solution might be?? Canon tech support couldn't help.

[woody60]

I was very interested in the new SX10 , then i noticed no view finder , oh well ill stick with my S2 , a viewfinder in bird photography and fast shooting is really important .

[Jon]

It has a fairly responsive electronic viewfinder in addition to the large LCD on the back, same as the S2.

[PhotoFranz]

Jon is right, the viewfinder is pretty responsive, but nothing like a true optical one like I had on my XTi. However, It is better than any other P&S I have had.

The shutter lag is noticable. If you want a camera for fast action, like football or something like that, maybe you should go for something faster. I also notice that inside, the flash on the camera is slower than my XTi was to recharge for the next shot. I do use an external flash that takes care of that problem.

[woody60]

Maybe i will have a look at it then ,ive only seen it on adverts and websites so far , its in my price range , and it does what i want it to do , thanks , jon &franz ..

[Jon]

Basically, the SX10 is the latest in the series S1, S2, S3, S5, SX10. It uses SD cards, not CF as the earliest ones did, and has more zoom range (including, finally, something wider than 35 mm effective f.l.) as well as a hot shoe for external flash, but it's still the latest generation of your S2.

[PhotoFranz]

The IS is awesome! I have made a lot of shots at 100mm (560mm equiv) that are rock steady, hand held. Much better than I got with my XTi with the Tamron 28-300 VC lens.

[rumesh]

Need help from those who already own a SX10is.
Does it support filters? Are there any threads to fix a filter on to? I asked canon's technical help and they said no. Are there any people here using any custom or some kind of filters on the SX10is? I dont know why canon ignored threads for this model. They could have easily added threads on the hood.
I'm going to buy a SX10is and this is the only fact I'm a bit upset about. I currently own a S3is.

[PhotoFranz]

There are NO filter threads on this camera. There are just concentric rings used to attatch the lens cap. Lensmate is about to release an adaptor that will attatch to the hood mount and will accept 58mm filters.

[Pit Agoras]

It makes no matter if there is a thread or not :-)
heavy fisheye, macro ring flash, filters ... all okay

http://666kb.com/i/b5uw3vcrxot2bdw6v.jpg

[irfanajmal]

Hi

I have just purchased Canon SX10. Camera makes easily hearable mecanical sound when Servo AF mode is selected. Is this sound normal?

br
Irfan

[MaDMaXX]

Hi

I have just purchased Canon SX10. Camera makes easily hearable mecanical sound when Servo AF mode is selected. Is this sound normal?

br
Irfan

Yes it is.

[AlessandroZ]

Canon has announced the following models today:

Canon SD990IS and SD880IS (http://www.usa.canon.com/templatedata/pressrelease/20080917_elph_sd990is_sd880is.html)


I've always been struggling for an ultra-compact with manual settings.
The SD990 has a M mode with 2 settings for aperture (2.8 and - if I'm not wrong - 7.2), plus a complete range of settings for shutter speed.

It seems, finally, the perfect trade-off. ;)

Is the SD990 the ONLY Canon with such features in this size range?


thank you

[Jon]

AFAIK, now it is. THe last A-series models to offer shutter and aperture settings were the A590, A650 and A720. No other SD that I'm aware of has offered direct shutter speed or aperture control.

[CameraLens]

Also, the A710 IS has full manual mode.

[AlessandroZ]

Also, the A710 IS has full manual mode.

Yes, thanks, but the A710 is in another size range.

Compare:
SD990 / A710

Weight 5.6 / 7.4
Width 3.8 / 3.9
Length 1.1 / 1.6
Height 2.4 / 2.6

Besides the 15 MP / 7 MP...

[Jon]

The A710 was also discontinued a while ago. Canon USA has moved it to their PowerShot Archives page; the A590 and A720 are the only A-series with real controls on the main PowerShot USA page (and they're getting hard to find). The SD990's the only SD series I'm aware of that offers direct aperture and shutter speed control.

[kennyes]

There are NO filter threads on this camera. There are just concentric rings used to attatch the lens cap. Lensmate is about to release an adaptor that will attatch to the hood mount and will accept 58mm filters.


Does this apply to the sx1 and if so when will lensmate release this adapter?

I currently own the s5is and want to purchase the Sx1is but I need my UV and polarizing filters.

[PhotoFranz]

Does this apply to the sx1 and if so when will lensmate release this adapter?

I currently own the s5is and want to purchase the Sx1is but I need my UV and polarizing filters.

Since I only have the SX10, I cannot really say about the SX1. However, everything I have read says the ONLY difference is the sensor. You could download the SX1 manual and see if it says anything about filter threads. The Lensmate site says the adapter is for the SX10/SX1, so I am guessing NO THREADS!

Lensmate site:

http://www.lensmateonline.com/

[kennyes]

Since I only have the SX10, I cannot really say about the SX1. However, everything I have read says the ONLY difference is the sensor. You could download the SX1 manual and see if it says anything about filter threads. The Lensmate site says the adapter is for the SX10/SX1, so I am guessing NO THREADS!

Lensmate site:

http://www.lensmateonline.com/

Thanks for the advice and link. I haven't ruled out the sx10is but I love the idea of having a remote and the HD video also has my interest; although, I'm more interested in the camera but since they both have video why not HD?

Let ask one more question if I may. How does the SX10 do in lower lighting?
That's probably the biggest disappointment in my S5 that otherwise I really like.

Thanks again for your insight, much appreaciated.

[PhotoFranz]

The SX10 is not a great camera in dim light. I have an external Sigma flash for darker times and it helps a lot.

[Dymphna]

I use nothing but SanDisk; since I have DSLRs as well, which mean large files, I get nothing less than Extreme IIIs and I've been happy with them. My A620, however, was fine with a plain blue SanDisk 2 GB (the max it'll take). Remember though that SanDisk's 4 GB is a "decimal" or "salesman's" 4 GB, 4,000,000,000 bytes and Canon's talking "binary" or "real" 4 GB, or 4,294,967,296 bytes. You won't be able to get as long a recording on the SanDisk 4 GB as you will on the 8 GB. OTOH, even 4 GB is an awful lot of JPEG files. If you plan on doing much video, I'd say to get 8s; otherwise I'd say to get 4s.
If you buy SanDisk and they have a rebate - don't bother. They never honor the rebates! I have tried twice with them and they are scams!

[Jon]

Funny, I've got 2 of their VISA rebate cards in my wallet right now; spent another one earlier this year, and haven't had them reject any of the earlier (check-based) ones either. Just make sure you send everything fastened together. I tape the bar codes to the invoice copy and photocopy everything and don't have any problems.

[greenlight]

I got a chance to take a few pics with the 990is last night for some customers. The pics looked REALLY good on the LCD display. Nice. Nice.

[alaskacanoe]

Hello all..
this is my first post.
I was sent to this site by a fellow Alaskan.
After luking this site and the canon site I have decided to get the SX1 IS when it comes available in April.
tonight I read the entire users guide that you can down load on PDF from the canon site. Its 308 pages long, but easy to read.
I have owned an A620 and it has been a wonderful point and shoot.
The SX1 IS will be an easy transition from the A620 it looks like.
A few weeks ago while in Hawaii a friend of ours was sporting the new G10 and I used it for a few days..
I almost went for that Kewl camera.
Hoping this will be a good addition to my limited Canon cache
Thanks all for your great posts..
hope to share some pictures of the Alaska with you all this spring.