Why do I feel disapointed?

[majkid]

Well. After years of speculation and excited anticipation the 5D MkII has eventually been released. Anticlimax springs to mind.
Not as mind blowing as I was expecting and if the price rumours are correct then a lot more expensive too. Without full weather sealing GBP 2,200 is more than I am willing to pay.I would rather Canon included full weather sealing than HD movie mode. 21mp is overkill as well. :cry:
I think I will stick with my 5D a while. Almost tempted to ditch Canon altogether and save my pennies for a D3.

[elysium]

Well. After years of speculation and excited anticipation the 5D MkII has eventually been released. Anticlimax springs to mind.
Not as mind blowing as I was expecting and if the price rumours are correct then a lot more expensive too. Without full weather sealing GBP 2,200 is more than I am willing to pay.I would rather Canon included full weather sealing than HD movie mode. 21mp is overkill as well. :cry:
I think I will stick with my 5D a while. Almost tempted to ditch Canon altogether and save my pennies for a D3.
Exactly. Stupid amounts of hype and some how, im not impressed. Looking at it, you have a 5D so you know what it is fully capable of and I suppose it does put you in a position to expect something else.

For others who are possibly upgrading for something else may see it as a grand measure. Personally, there would need to be something really special for me to switch to the new vers. I really think I would need a PC upgrade first.

[cfibanez]

Agree. In addition, 3.9 fps is half the speed of my current 40D. I have shot quite a bit at 6.5 fps, and I can tell you that I got several crucial shots only thanks to that speed.
:(

[majkid]

There really aren't many pluses for me other than sensor cleaning. Major disapointment.
I think I will invest in some new glass for my 5D.
At least I won't have to hide that from the wife ;)

[jara.bmx]

Same by me. Is it really any kind of revolution? Canon just caught Nikon's D700 and created equal alternative. But is it so better? Not at all. Nikon would still be my choice if I were about to start again.

[david lee]

Yep I know exactly what you are feeling. I am too.
All the hype has built this up and it is a bit of an anti climax.

I'll probably get one though:rolleyes:
This has just got to push the 1ds mk3 into over drive to get an upgrade:D



Well. After years of speculation and excited anticipation the 5D MkII has eventually been released. Anticlimax springs to mind.
Not as mind blowing as I was expecting and if the price rumours are correct then a lot more expensive too. Without full weather sealing GBP 2,200 is more than I am willing to pay.I would rather Canon included full weather sealing than HD movie mode. 21mp is overkill as well. :cry:
I think I will stick with my 5D a while. Almost tempted to ditch Canon altogether and save my pennies for a D3.

[KrysiaG]

I'm disappointed too.
And VERY glad I didn't wait 1 year ago when I bought my 5D (when I was considering holding out for a replacement!)

[symbolphoto]

I'd hate to admit it, but i too am dissatisfied.

I mean, we've been waiting for some time... i figured a real 'Evolution' was going to occur. I can understand why they didn't put in the 45 focus points in, i mean at that point why bother with the 1ds, but still. That stinks. HD movie mode? i mean i realize where the industry is headed, but if i want video, i'll buy a 'Video Camera' !

Grrr.... And yes, like everyone else stated, full weather sealing would've been nice. And micro adjustment.

Luckily i'm very happy with my 5D I, so i guess i'll just be hanging out a bit until something else presents itself.

[elysium]

I'd hate to admit it, but i too am dissatisfied.

I mean, we've been waiting for some time... i figured a real 'Evolution' was going to occur. I can understand why they didn't put in the 45 focus points in, i mean at that point why bother with the 1ds, but still. That stinks. HD movie mode? i mean i realize where the industry is headed, but if i want video, i'll buy a 'Video Camera' !

Grrr.... And yes, like everyone else stated, full weather sealing would've been nice. And micro adjustment.

Luckily i'm very happy with my 5D I, so i guess i'll just be hanging out a bit until something else presents itself.
Those things would have really put it in an evolution stage for me.

Only thing is, something like 45 af points WOULD kill the 1D niche which I do not think what Canon are likely to do.

[AdamJL]

I'm also disappointed. But still, this makes me love my 5D all the more.


I think this release proves 2 things:
1. Canon are still "protecting" the 1Ds line by limiting the FPS rate. Dual Digic IIIs can do 5ps. One Digic IV can do more.
2. "Incremental Upgrade" (not in relation to the 5D itself) is still Canon policy. To break this, we should have seen better AF. This AF system also says a lot about the 50D when Chuck Westfall himself claims the 5D II has a more accurate system in AI Servo (read Rob Galbraith's 5D II update for more info)

[AdamJL]

I'd hate to admit it, but i too am dissatisfied.

I mean, we've been waiting for some time... i figured a real 'Evolution' was going to occur. I can understand why they didn't put in the 45 focus points in, i mean at that point why bother with the 1ds, but still. That stinks. HD movie mode? i mean i realize where the industry is headed, but if i want video, i'll buy a 'Video Camera' !

Grrr.... And yes, like everyone else stated, full weather sealing would've been nice. And micro adjustment.

Luckily i'm very happy with my 5D I, so i guess i'll just be hanging out a bit until something else presents itself.

It's got micro-adjustment?

[elysium]

It's got micro-adjustment?
Just checked, it does via a C.Fn

C.Fn III-8
+/- 20 steps
Adjust all lenses by same amount
Adjust up to 20 lenses individually

[VTSHEP1]

I also feel like the rumors and hype built it up a little more, but i am going to be very happy with this camera.

In an ideal world I would have liked to see the following:
-more AF popints
-More options for bracketing exposures (3 AND 5)
-more FPS
-more dynamic range

I can honestly say that more FPS and not improving the dynamic range is all that i actually hoped for that wasnt delivered. Having more AF points and more bracketing options would have been nice to have's for me.

The bump in MP (hopefully without sacrificing IQ) is very important to me, the jump in ISO (if usable) is extremely important to me, and the video mode is the killer app for me...seriously, i cant wait to shoot a video at ISO 25,600 f1.4!!! With the places i go I dont have the option of carrying both a video camera and a still.

Weather sealing...so many people insist they want this. Have any of you actually trashed a camera due to water or dust? You wouldnt beleive the nasty dusty places my 5D has made it out of unscathed. When i had a 20D, i actually submerged it by accident for a couple seconds, after 2 days of drying out, it worked again. What are you guys doing with your cameras?

[phsv]

This makes it all the better for me to consider buying a 5D new or used. So I am sure the next polls popping up on the site are going to be "5D or 50D". I am sure going to be asking that questions once reviews for the 50D come out.

[AdamJL]

I'd probably still choose the 5D over the 50D.
Full Frame just does it for me.

[masayako]

Instead of getting a pro camera with more pro features(more bracketing, fps, af, weather sealing), we are getting a video-cam.

[shannyD]

i think the 5dmk2 just wasnt what a lot of people were expecting.. but it never is. you always see so much hype here on the forum. and then when its released, everyone is semper butt-hurtis.

but i think for the things they did upgrade.. were good upgrades.

i think the video mode is uber lame. but whatever.. there is always going to be someone out there who will buy it. for that, and the fact that its full frame.

[tonydee]

I don't know why you're all passing judgment so soon. What I really want to know - and will only be clear once careful side-by-side comparative reviews are published - is how much higher the ISO can be put while still getting equivalent IQ. There are the usual complications with comparison when MPs differ, with the usual approaches/issues:
- comparisons of overall image quality:
- 5D image upscaled to 21MP (in software scaling might seemingly improve/worsen image)
- 5DmkII image downscaled to 12MP (very likely to undersell the mkII's abilities)
- comparisons of 100% crops:
- 5DmkII zoomed out to cover the same angle with 12MPs worth of sensor (but lens might be better/worse zoomed out)
- 5DmkII moved further away to cover the same angle with 12MPs worth of sensor, but smaller area of lens used, e.g. centre typically better than edges)
etc..

I'll be waiting on this kind of analysis. If it really offers equivalent IQ at at least four times the ISO, then I'll be jumping on it doing cartwheels. That's almost like having your f/4 lenses suddenly become f/2 without the extra weight. And for the "21MP is too much" crowd, consider it as a built in 1.4x converter so your 200mm reaches out to 280mm without the extra weight. Back-saving technology this high-ISO high-MP stuff.

Re frame rates, weather sealing - yeah - I'd like it too. It's stupid that we're carrying around these $3000 cameras worrying a few drops of rain or a gust of wind over some loose dirt will bugger them up. For a relaxed change, I'd like just to have to worry about dropping it and having the CF die on me (touch wood). I don't care about focus points - I almost always use the middle and then frame, but then that just suits my subject matter. HD video sounds like a hoot - I imagine I'll try it for a bit, then, ummm... I also have a Canon HD camcorder I never use.

And Canon (you sneaky evesdroppers) how about Linux ports of your software????

My biggest negative suspicion is that there's no significant improvement in dynamic range. I typically can't be bothered with tripods and HDR. I hate the look of blown highlights and shadows I can't bring up credibly. I do want the camera to capture it right to begin with. If I want tone-mapping, I want to be doing it for the look not out of necessity or desperation.

Anyway, be disappointed if you must, but don't expect it to be universal. Judgement's still out.

UK price is a blatant insult though - do a weekender to NY, pay the VAT on return, and I'd imagine you'd still save.... Haven't heard the prices here in Japan yet.

Cheers,
Tony

[gjl711]

I was excited last night when the announcement was made but after reading a bit more about the new body reality is setting in. I think I was mixing up evolution and revolution and I was expecting Canon to come out with something that would clearly establish a new benchmark for all others to aim for.

The 5D we got is a very nice camera easily better than any other Canon body out today but incrementally so. It seems to have only one new feature, HD, which I have little interest in. All the others are features which have been released in other bodies already and packaged in the new 5D. I was envisioning features like GPS tagging, wireless connectivity, built in HDR, new sensor technology, better AF and others.

[DannyG]

My initial reactions are of disappointment. I was really hoping for the weather sealing and much improved AF. I have no interest at all in the video and that feature alone will probably keep me from buying. I'll wait for more test results but I'm also going to start shopping Nikon and make comparisons. It might be time for a switch, or, I'll just stick with my current 5D for another generation.

[gjl711]

Anyone seen any other samples besides the to at ISO 100 on the Canon site?

[VTSHEP1]

Weather sealing....a couple of questions for the folks pushing for it:

Do you have insurance on your gear?
Have you actually damaged a camera in the rain, with dust or any other way that sealing would help?
If yes, how?
If no, have you tried shooting in the rain, dust, etc?

I am just trying to figure out what i am missing. I figure either i have been lucky: i shoot in the rain with a 5D (trying to cover it a bit), shoot in incredibly dust places where i should be wearing a respirator, I even submerged a 20D...
Or maybe my photography doesnt put me in situations that need sealing...

[gregkendallball]

I'm disappointed because I had hoped Canon would release a D700 killer, and it didn't. I get the feeling they're targeting the soccer mom crowd...

[Johnny V]

I'm underwhelmed.... The most important upgrade I was really hoping for was improved autofocus. Sure it's mentioned that Canon improved/added sensors for Auto-Servo mode. But I don't shoot in AS mode. I don't have a 5D but my buddy has one that I computer tech for and many times in low light the 5D misses focus. I always sweat bullets when he is shooting (fashion) in low light. My 15+ year old Nikon 8008 auto focuses better than my XT. I do have an XTi that auto focuses excellently though...even in low light.

I'm on the fence about buying one now...just have to wait and see about IQ, Auto Focus accuracy, and such.

[disorder]

I'm disappointed because I had hoped Canon would release a D700 killer, and it didn't. I get the feeling they're targeting the soccer mom crowd...

EXACTLY.

I can see a whole bunch of new "amateurs" (not knocking, i'm one, too) running around with their kit lenses (yes, 24-105 is fantastic) shooting full auto with the 5D MkII. No on-board flash though... oh what are they to do?!

[I Simonius]

considering the rumours started off with quite low expectations and only recently got hyped out of proportion - I am very happy with the new 5D - that'll do nicely ta Mr Canon!:D

btw why's this thread in the rumours section???

[symbolphoto]

Wooops, yes micro adjustment. :)

[ryleung]

I'm underwhelmed.... The most important upgrade I was really hoping for was improved autofocus. Sure it's mentioned that Canon improved/added sensors for Auto-Servo mode. But I don't shoot in AS mode. I don't have a 5D but my buddy has one that I computer tech for and many times in low light the 5D misses focus. I always sweat bullets when he is shooting (fashion) in low light. My 15+ year old Nikon 8008 auto focuses better than my XT. I do have an XTi that auto focuses excellently though...even in low light.

I'm on the fence about buying one now...just have to wait and see about IQ, Auto Focus accuracy, and such.
I share your sentiments, Johnny. I was totally disappointed to see the 5D II come with essentially the same AF system as the Mk I. Heck, even the 40D/50D has more accurate AF with all 9 AF points being the cross type. And yet the 5D II only has the center AF point with a cross type sensor?! If Canon wasn't going to give us the 45-point system (which I completely understand), at least give us something more sophisticated than before?!

I am glad to see the other evolutionary specs, and I have high hopes for this camera's low light performance. However, I'll reserve my final judgment at least until I see some detailed comparison tests and test images. Two particularly important criteria are subjective high iso image noise and image colour tones. Both of these factors are the biggest strengths of the original 5D. The 5D II would be a complete failure in my eyes if it cannot deliver noticeable improvements in these two criteria.

As a current 5D owner, the lack of AF improvements in the Mk II is already a major disappointment. There is no way I would consider an upgrade if high iso performance and colour tones have not seen noticeable improvements.

-Lik

[davidinjp]

I too am disappointed. I wanted a second body and have been waiting. I am not disappointed because of the hype and rumors. The "destined evolution" bit by Canon was misleading though.

The 5D II is pretty ok I guess. I think I am just surprised at the lack of innovation from Canon compared to Nikon. Both with lenses and bodies.

I sort of feel like Canon is going down hill fast and they don't get it. They seem to be focused on the growing low-end DSLR and P&S market much more than mid/high range DSLR innovation these days. This is worrisome and disappointing when you have a bunch of money invested in their products!

What's the deal with the end of November release date too? The D700 was on store shelves in Japan less then 3 weeks after they announced it. Canon waited as long as possible to announce a mediocre 5D upgrade and now we have to wait until the end of the year to try it out... Just poor planning and design all around.

[sjay770]

You know all of you complaining just want a 1Ds Mark III functions and capabilities for a 5D Price, and that is just not going to happen. The 5D Mark 2 is $2699, and I don’t see how it cost too much for what you are getting. If you want full weather seal, go for the 1Ds Mark3 ($7999). If you want faster shutter speeds, go for the 1D Mark 3. All in all I am pleased with the 5D Mark 2

[ryleung]

You know all of you complaining just want a 1Ds Mark III functions and capabilities for a 5D Price, and that is just not going to happen. The 5D Mark 2 is $2699, and I don’t see how it cost too much for what you are getting. If you want full weather seal, go for the 1Ds Mark3 ($7999). If you want faster shutter speeds, go for the 1D Mark 3. All in all I am pleased with the 5D Mark 2
SJay,

I am not expecting a 1Ds MkII at 5D prices. The 5D is what it is -- a low cost FF camera, with incredible IQ and noise control. I have no problem with Canon staying with this formula. I'd much rather to see Canon leave out the live HD video functions, and give us the 40D/50D's 9 pt cross type AF system instead. I'm sure many of us could live without the 21MP sensor also. No weather sealing? No problem. Same low 3 fps? No problem either.

Every camera needs good AF. The 5D II deserves better than what it has right now.

-Lik

[wernersl]

about weather sealing for those of you whining up a storm. the 5D had none, and has survived light rains for me. according to the Mark II specs the weathersealing provided is rated to handle 10mm of rainfall over 3 minutes. at that rate...its a moderate rain. thats my take. as far as all the other complaining...the jury is still out on ISO performance. if it performs as i expect (or hope) it will, then they DID kick Nikon in the nuts.
the only whining i can agree with here is the lack of a real AF upgrade...but like others have mentioned...that upgrade would have rendered the 1Ds useless for most!

[wernersl]

SJay,

I am not expecting a 1Ds MkII at 5D prices. The 5D is what it is -- a low cost FF camera, with incredible IQ and noise control. I have no problem with Canon staying with this formula. I'd much rather to see Canon leave out the live HD video functions, and give us the 40D/50D's 9 pt cross type AF system instead. I'm sure many of us could live without the 21MP sensor also. No weather sealing? No problem. Same low 3 fps? No problem either.

Every camera needs good AF. The 5D II deserves better than what it has right now.

-Lik
+1 on the cross type sensors.

[gjl711]

You know all of you complaining just want a 1Ds Mark III functions and capabilities for a 5D Price, and that is just not going to happen. The 5D Mark 2 is $2699, and I don’t see how it cost too much for what you are getting. If you want full weather seal, go for the 1Ds Mark3 ($7999). If you want faster shutter speeds, go for the 1D Mark 3. All in all I am pleased with the 5D Mark 2 I think that is exactly the issue. If you want all that, Canon has it for $7999, but Nikon has all that for $2895.

As to a camera with 1D features and performance in a smaller body, I would pay for that in a minute. I too was hoping that the new 5D would fall between the 50D and the 1D in performance and would be willing to pay a bit more but not $8000. What we got is less than a 50D with movies. That fell short of my mark.

[ryleung]

I'd much rather see Canon ... give us the 40D/50D's 9 pt cross type AF system instead.
Just to drive this point home -- the off-center non-cross type AF sensors in my 5D suck. They give passable results if I don't need a lot of precision (ie. tack sharp focus) or I have all the time in the world to focus on the subject. But when you need to deliver in terms of AF accuracy and speed, they are just completely inadequate. For those kinds of demands, I pretty much have to rely on the single center cross type AF point, and do a quick lock focus - recompose to get what I need. I can certainly do this, but why should I be doing it when the AF point was meant to do it for me?

-Lik

[echo]

I think the new 5D looks good. I'm not feeling like I need to sell my mkIII but may well wait for the prices to drop after Christmas and get one, then again, I may just get the Zeiss 21mm :) Decisions...

[sadatk]

Haha. Photography has become a game of numbers now with AF points and such instead of the final image. Love it. :p

[echo]

Haha. Photography has become a game of numbers now with AF points and such instead of the final image. Love it. :p

Well said :)

[ryleung]

Haha. Photography has become a game of numbers now with AF points and such instead of the final image. Love it. :p
Sadatk,

If you were as much into photography as you suggest, then certainly you should be out in the field shooting as opposed to taking the time to post on POTN? ;)

-Lik

[gjl711]

Discussing the attributes and the strength and weakness of a particular camera may have nothing to do with photography but then neither does you addition to the general discussion. However, if one is in the market to upgrade their tools and is looking at the various options, then discussions about the strength and weakness of the different tools available is helpful. If all everyone cared about was the act of photographing alone then DSLRs wouldn't be needed and we would all be happy shooting with a Brownie.

[wernersl]

i love this game!

[racketman]

You know all of you complaining just want a 1Ds Mark III functions and capabilities for a 5D Price, and that is just not going to happen. The 5D Mark 2 is $2699, and I don’t see how it cost too much for what you are getting. If you want full weather seal, go for the 1Ds Mark3 ($7999). If you want faster shutter speeds, go for the 1D Mark 3. All in all I am pleased with the 5D Mark 2

$4,172 in rip-off Britain.

[yonni]

I wish they would have spread out the af sensors a little more. It's just too tight of a group, isn't it? I can't wait to see some hi iso examples.

[smirchfa]

"I think that is exactly the issue. If you want all that, Canon has it for $7999, but Nikon has all that for $2895."

"Canon waited as long as possible to announce a mediocre 5D upgrade and now we have to wait until the end of the year to try it out... Just poor planning and design all around."

"Incremental Upgrade" (not in relation to the 5D itself) is still Canon policy."

"Canon just caught Nikon's D700 and created equal alternative."



Seriously, for F***'s sake, this is ridiculous! "Equal alternative?" How is a near doubling of resolution, tripling of max ISO and full HD video an "incremental upgrade" and "poor design?" And, last time I checked, the D700 and D3 were both 12MP (both with an INCREDIBLY over-aggressive AA filter as well, that effectively neuters those 12MP's), barely over half the resolution of the 5D MK2 and still slightly less resolution than the 5D that preceded them both by 2 full years! The niche filled by the 5D is the light, affordable studio/landscape/PJ camera, and this new model fits the bill. If you want max FPS or weathersealing, there is the 1 series. The D700 may have more FPS and sealing, (with half the resolution) but take a close look at those files - the AA filter is so aggressive that they pale in comparison to even the original 5D. I own 2 5D's and one of my associate photogs shoots with a D3 and D700, and the difference in post is very noticeable. Nikon just caught up to Canon with their full-frame offerings, and the 5D MK2 is a leap forward.

Who would have even thought a few months ago that a $2700 camera ($600 less that the 5D's initial MSRP, for those complaining about price) would match the resolution of the 1DS MK3? And full HD video on a full-frame sensor with fast prime lenses? This camera is opening up whole new worlds of creativity - I for one am incredibly surprised and pleased! If it was introduced at $3300, I would still think it was a great deal.

[gjl711]

I've been thinking about this thread for the last few hours and I believe I now know the source of my disappointment. It's not that the 5D MkII is a bad camera, I'm sure that the pics will be stunning and the performance will be much better than the current 5D. I really expected Canon to roll out something new in the way of a new sensor design that would clearly establish a new benchmark for others to shoot for. There has been talk that Canon has been working on something and it seemed that a new 5D would have been a perfect vehical to roll it out.

Thats not what we got though. What was rolled out is a sensor borrowed from the 1DsMkIII, AF borrowed from the 40D, sensor cleaning borrowed from the XTi, live view borrowed from the XSi, micro-focus adjustment borrowed fromthe MkIII, and some new software features and movies. The 5D when it was introduced set a standard that took the rest of the industry three years to catch and pass.

It almost seems like Canon was truly not expecting to replace the 5D thinking that a full frame pro-sumer camera was a niche and was to end with the 5D. Then Nikon and Sony surprised them by rolling out multiple FF cameras at the pro-sumer price point. So Canon went back to the labs, tossed in all the new stuff from other bodies and slapped on a MkII, tweaked a few of the software features and shoved it out the door. I really do not see the 5D MkII setting the standard for long if at all.

That's why I'm disappointed. I was fully intending to upgrade to the MkII but looking at the camera I really cant justify it over say the 50D at 1/2 the cost. The 5DII is just another re-spin of existing technology and in a year will be nothing special.

[VTSHEP1]

oh well...I am happy with this, my AF has been fine, maybe w/o shooting a 1 series I don't know what I am missing. but the 4 foot and 3 foot blownup shots in my living room look tack sharp to me up close. looking forward to going larger w/21MP and getting some killer vids!! Now what add-on mic is the best to collect some great surround sound!

I hear you on the weather sealing wernersl...asked twice why...no answers. I fail to be convinced of these peoples "wants" without anyone proving a need

[ryleung]

A friend sent me this link, and I thought it might be of interest to those of us who are disappointed:

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/techdigest/20080917/ttc-exclusive-canon-engineers-held-back-e870a33.html

Having read the article, however, I somehow remain unconvinced. Was the Canon really telling the truth here? Or was he just blowing smoke? At any rate, I remain un-impressed by the current 5D II. :(

-Lik

[krepta]

A friend sent me this link, and I thought it might be of interest to those of us who are disappointed:

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/techdigest/20080917/ttc-exclusive-canon-engineers-held-back-e870a33.html

Having read the article, however, I somehow remain unconvinced. Was the Canon really telling the truth here? Or was he just blowing smoke? At any rate, I remain un-impressed by the current 5D II. :(

-LikWow, that link sure is traveling around quickly. It was also posted in the 5D Mk II Official Release thread, and there is a discussion here: http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=570617

[AdamJL]

A friend sent me this link, and I thought it might be of interest to those of us who are disappointed:

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/techdigest/20080917/ttc-exclusive-canon-engineers-held-back-e870a33.html

Having read the article, however, I somehow remain unconvinced. Was the Canon really telling the truth here? Or was he just blowing smoke? At any rate, I remain un-impressed by the current 5D II. :(

-Lik

I have doubts whether that was actually from a Canon engineer. Why? The "protecting the 1 series" comment.
Canon would rather eat their own sales than let Nikon and Sony do it. The 21mp count of the 5D II is proof of that. And a rep was recently heard to say "I don't care" in response to someone's question about whether the 5D II would kill 1Ds Sales. Canon are getting money either way.
That and the guy sounded NOTHING like an engineer. Methinks Duncan Geere made that up completely.

[VTSHEP1]

A friend sent me this link, and I thought it might be of interest to those of us who are disappointed:

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/techdigest/20080917/ttc-exclusive-canon-engineers-held-back-e870a33.html

Having read the article, however, I somehow remain unconvinced. Was the Canon really telling the truth here? Or was he just blowing smoke? At any rate, I remain un-impressed by the current 5D II. :(

-Lik

Anyone else in the business world think this is suspicious the way the comments are? I have never heard of marketing departments directing engineers...product managers do this (with input from marketing AND other areas). That being said, engineers sometimes do not have any business sense...so i guess it is possible he/she could have been confused as to who was driving what at Canon, but my gut says that is unlikely.

This is happening at Canon for sure, but not like that. Canon COULD produce a 50 MP sensor right now, but they dont because it is cost prohibitive...

[scokar]

no it is not suspicious, that is how business works. Sales and Marketing drive engineering in the vast majority of companies. rightly or wrongly, who knows.

and Canon would never "eat their own" unless there were only crumbs left from someone else's feast.

[VTSHEP1]

no it is not suspicious, that is how business works. Sales and Marketing drive engineering in the vast majority of companies. rightly or wrongly, who knows.

and Canon would never "eat their own" unless there were only crumbs left from someone else's feast.

I work in marketing, research even, never dealt with an engineer. I must have worked for the wrong companies.

[gjl711]

no it is not suspicious, that is how business works. Sales and Marketing drive engineering in the vast majority of companies. rightly or wrongly, who knows...

I work in marketing, research even, never dealt with an engineer. I must have worked for the wrong companies. Hmmm... I work in engineering, R+D, have for years. Sales and marketing have never played a roll in any product I have ever worked on until the end when it is developed and now needs to be sold and marketed. Been like that in every company I have ever worked at.

[Tennant_uk]

Hmmm... I work in engineering, R+D, have for years. Sales and marketing have never played a roll in any product I have ever worked on until the end when it is developed and now needs to be sold and marketed. Been like that in every company I have ever worked at.

Crikey...I'm staggered that there are manufacturing companies that still think like this and are successful. Ever heard of being a market-led rather than product-led company?

The old adage of "Build a better mousetrap..." has been the reason for so many product failures.

Tennant

[midnight_rider]

Agree. In addition, 3.9 fps is half the speed of my current 40D. I have shot quite a bit at 6.5 fps, and I can tell you that I got several crucial shots only thanks to that speed.
:(
The fps may be slower on the 5D mk2 but it has something the 40D will never have. The 3.9FPS is continuous where as the 40D ( in my experience ) seems to have a hard time shooting more than 35 images in a burst.

I think that the consumers have built the mk2 up to something that was unreal. Once you do that the real thing will always be a little disappointing. But they have had quite a while to speculate haven't they. To be honest I think it sounds like a great camera.

[disorder]

"I think that is exactly the issue. If you want all that, Canon has it for $7999, but Nikon has all that for $2895."

"Canon waited as long as possible to announce a mediocre 5D upgrade and now we have to wait until the end of the year to try it out... Just poor planning and design all around."

"Incremental Upgrade" (not in relation to the 5D itself) is still Canon policy."

"Canon just caught Nikon's D700 and created equal alternative."



Seriously, for F***'s sake, this is ridiculous! "Equal alternative?" How is a near doubling of resolution, tripling of max ISO and full HD video an "incremental upgrade" and "poor design?" And, last time I checked, the D700 and D3 were both 12MP (both with an INCREDIBLY over-aggressive AA filter as well, that effectively neuters those 12MP's), barely over half the resolution of the 5D MK2 and still slightly less resolution than the 5D that preceded them both by 2 full years! The niche filled by the 5D is the light, affordable studio/landscape/PJ camera, and this new model fits the bill. If you want max FPS or weathersealing, there is the 1 series. The D700 may have more FPS and sealing, (with half the resolution) but take a close look at those files - the AA filter is so aggressive that they pale in comparison to even the original 5D. I own 2 5D's and one of my associate photogs shoots with a D3 and D700, and the difference in post is very noticeable. Nikon just caught up to Canon with their full-frame offerings, and the 5D MK2 is a leap forward.

Who would have even thought a few months ago that a $2700 camera ($600 less that the 5D's initial MSRP, for those complaining about price) would match the resolution of the 1DS MK3? And full HD video on a full-frame sensor with fast prime lenses? This camera is opening up whole new worlds of creativity - I for one am incredibly surprised and pleased! If it was introduced at $3300, I would still think it was a great deal.

Just because I like your pictures, I will listen to you. :lol:

Anyways, 5D MkII on order even before I read your comment. I have mixed feelings, but excitement. There's still room for me to cancel my pre-order if I get wet feet...

[david lee]

Weather sealing....a couple of questions for the folks pushing for it:

Do you have insurance on your gear?
Have you actually damaged a camera in the rain, with dust or any other way that sealing would help?
If yes, how?
If no, have you tried shooting in the rain, dust, etc?

I am just trying to figure out what i am missing. I figure either i have been lucky: i shoot in the rain with a 5D (trying to cover it a bit), shoot in incredibly dust places where i should be wearing a respirator, I even submerged a 20D...
Or maybe my photography doesnt put me in situations that need sealing...


I am a wedding photographer and I have taken my 5D out in the rain for short sessions and got it quite wet. The thing is WE dont need weather sealing on the camera because even if we are willing to get wet in a downpour, the Bride wont be.

[rexspangle]

I am a wedding photographer and I have taken my 5D out in the rain for short sessions and got it quite wet. The thing is WE dont need weather sealing on the camera because even if we are willing to get wet in a downpour, the Bride wont be.

That used to be my views until I shot 5 weddings in a row a couple months ago in a downpour... I often found I was getting wet when the couple wasn't or I had to carefully coordinate where I was going and properly try to cover everything... now don't get me wrong I probably want to stay dry as much as the next guy but sometimes the added protection is nice... I can either worry about me and my camera staying dry or continue to shoot and say the heck with me and my camera I am hired to photograph this wedding... But the 5d has held up well in rainy conditions and I believe it to be better sealed than we think....

[pumaknight]

It is one of those strange occurances of the modern world - the internet has changed our appetite for pre release knowledge. We search for information that becomes self perpetuating. How can any release ever live up to this expecation? In the case of the 5d mk2, it went into overdrive....to be honest the camera was never going to live up to expectations.

The camere will undoubtably be a great step forward, but maybe it didn't step the way people had hoped. Doesn't make it a failure, or a dud, just different. I for one wish it had been a different step, more of a 1d mk3 light, but that was my own personal appetite. My wife on the other hand likes the sound of the 5d mk2 and will seriously consider it next year when she looks to upgrade her existing 5d. But then she didn't read any of the rumors.....maybe there is a moral in there somewhere :-)

[weegee]

Based on the feature list and considering how long the wait was, I too am disappointed.

A few more megapixels, solid weather sealing, faster FPS, better AF, bigger and brighter viewing screen, and maybe some more custom settings is all I wanted.

Some of my wishes were granted, kind of, but imo, not enough to warrant a new purchase, certainly not at full price. I skpped the 40d, so may check out the 50D and keep 5d, rather than sell 5d and buy new mk2.

[Ocean Blue]

Well. After years of speculation and excited anticipation the 5D MkII has eventually been released. Anticlimax springs to mind.
Not as mind blowing as I was expecting and if the price rumours are correct then a lot more expensive too. Without full weather sealing GBP 2,200 is more than I am willing to pay.I would rather Canon included full weather sealing than HD movie mode. 21mp is overkill as well. :cry:
I think I will stick with my 5D a while. Almost tempted to ditch Canon altogether and save my pennies for a D3.

I'm always amazed at the other-than-US pricing for Cameras - GBP 2,200! - at today's exchange rate of 1.8, that would be $4,004.00. As it is, it's $2699 here (or GBP 1499).

But the European mark-up pattern doesn't always hold - I see Jessops in the UK is selling the d700 for GBP 1699.00 and it's $2999.00 in the US - only about $58 off from today's conversion rate.

[DDWD10]

You guys do realize it has the same weather sealing rating as the 1D series, right?

10mm rain in 3 minutes = 8 inches of rain in an hour. It's listed on dpreview.com

If you need more sealing than that... wow.

[badgerW]

For those wanting HDR....

http://www.usa.canon.com/templatedata/pressrelease/20080917_5dmkii.html


Auto Lighting Optimizer
Canon's enhanced Auto Lighting Optimizer technology helps ensure each picture's subject is clearly visible by analyzing image brightness and automatically adjusting dark areas in images so that they appear brighter. This function is ideal in high-contrast situations such as urban landscapes captured on sunny days, where the tops of buildings are brightly lit while street level details are obscured by heavy shadows. In this type of scene, the 5D Mark II camera's Auto Lighting Optimizer technology preserves accurate exposure of the highlights while opening up the shadow areas for a more pleasing tonal rendition.

This sounds an awful lot like HDR to me. They don't really say how they're doing it (it would be awesome to have ISO adjusted on a per-pixel basis) but some form of scene-based, non-uniform exposure compensation is built in to the 5DII.

[gjl711]

For those wanting HDR....

http://www.usa.canon.com/templatedata/pressrelease/20080917_5dmkii.html



This sounds an awful lot like HDR to me. They don't really say how they're doing it (it would be awesome to have ISO adjusted on a per-pixel basis) but some form of scene-based, non-uniform exposure compensation is built in to the 5DII.
Na.. They just have a built in vignetting tool. In photoshop under Filters -> Distort -> Lens correction is the same tool. It's nice that its built in but nothing new.

[therealmr]

I also feel like the rumors and hype built it up a little more, but i am going to be very happy with this camera.

Weather sealing...so many people insist they want this. Have any of you actually trashed a camera due to water or dust? You wouldnt beleive the nasty dusty places my 5D has made it out of unscathed. When i had a 20D, i actually submerged it by accident for a couple seconds, after 2 days of drying out, it worked again. What are you guys doing with your cameras?

I agree. I've used my 20d (yes, 20d) in full rain... in the ocean shooting kiteboarding... and in the desert. Any problems? Nope. Not even when I was hit with a 4 foot wave of saltwater. The fact that the sealing is improved is good enough for me. Plus, shooting in S-RAW at 10 MP with the improved digic 4 means more useable shots at venues I normally wouldn't be able to shoot at. I'm extremely excited.

[badgerW]

Na.. They just have a built in vignetting tool. In photoshop under Filters -> Distort -> Lens correction is the same tool. It's nice that its built in but nothing new.

Nope. The anti-vignetting thing is listed separately in the press release, listed as "Peripheral Illumination Correction". The " Auto Lighting Optimizer" is a completely different function, if the press release is to be believed.

[Stealthy Ninja]

I think that the consumers have built the mk2 up to something that was unreal.

QFT...

Yep, that's right. When you really hype things up and rumours are flying around that it will have the 1D mkIII AF and sealing coupled with the 40Ds fps etc. etc. you think in your mind: "I know this is a rumour, but it just has to be true, it's GOT to be true... it IS true" (subconscious' lie all the time ;) ). Then when a more realistic camera is released, you feel let down.

It seems to me, the most disapointed people of all are current 5D users (or maybe people who really want a 1D series camera, but can only afford a 5D price point). They have a great camera, but they see what other cameras have and they want it too. When they don't get it (or get something different or what they're use to on their camera already) they feel disapointed.

I can't blame them. It's like if you are a 40D user and (for some reason) you were really hanging out for the 50D upgrade. There were rumours flying around that the 50D would be a "D300 killer" with the same focusing system as a 1D series camera, 10fps and full weather sealing... then you got a the current 50D instead. :lol: I know the difference is a bit more than that, but I can see why people who own the 5D might be a bit miffed.

If you DON'T own a 5D and you were looking to move to FF, it's a totally awesome camera (unless you're a sports guy), then the 40D may actually be better for you, (if you're a serious sports guy, why would you really want to go FF anyway, unless you really like wide angle shots, you can adapt your lens selection to fit your style with the 40D, plus it gives tele lenses extra "reach").

That's my "don't feel sad" message for today.

Oh and here, have some emoticons:
:)
:D
;)
:p
:shock:

Look out! WEATHER! Quick get inside.

[gjl711]

Nope. The anti-vignetting thing is listed separately in the press release, listed as "Peripheral Illumination Correction". The " Auto Lighting Optimizer" is a completely different function, if the press release is to be believed. I guess my point was that both the peripheral illumination and the lighting optimizer are both software features applies to the jpeg conversion and introduced as part of Digic4. Both the 50 and the 5 have this feature. It's nice if your a jpeg shooter and want to save a bit of time in PP, but it's something that has been around for quite some time in image processing tools and not a sensor upgrade.

...It seems to me, the most disappointed people of all are current 5D users (or maybe people who really want a 1D series camera, but can only afford a 5D price point). They have a great camera, but they see what other cameras have and they want it too. When they don't get it (or get something different or what they're use to on their camera already) they feel disapointed..... There is some truth to that but as many have posted here the disapointment would have been if the 5D was basically a 40D or a 50D with a full frame sensor. Thats pretty much what we got, a 50D with a bigger sensor.... and movies.

I still think that the 5D is a nice camera but it's not the revolutionary body the orriginal 5D was. I was really all set to spring for the new 5D but now with both the 50D and 5D being so close in functionality and IQ it seems, the extra $1000 is hard to justify and requires quite a bit more thought.

[pgruiz123]

I agree the camera is not revolutionary, but then the "evolution continues". :)

[Stealthy Ninja]

At first I was totally stoked about this camera.

Then I heard a lot of disappointment from people (I doubted its greatness for a while).

Now I am back to getting stoked about the camera again, as its features and quality are being praised by people who have actually used it.


I wonder why there was so little talk about the original 5D's shutter lag, lack of weather sealing and focus points a couple of weeks ago).

Lest we forget this thread:
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=462416&highlight=5d+lovers

[rexspangle]

I would suspect that most of our dissapointment is fueled from the internet... This cameras capabilities probably exceed most of our requirements anyway... Maybe we need to be realistic with our skills as a photographer and stop pretending we are something we are not.... cause I rarely if ever blame the camera/lens for bad pictures since most of the time it is user error. IMO

[Franko515]

I have been browsing the net and found something quite interesting.

20D to 30D people were disappointed (minimal upgrade)
30D to 40D people were disappointed (minimal upgrade)
40D to 50D people were disappointed (minimal upgrade, upgrade to soon)

Same with the 1 series, same witht he 5D to 5D Mark II

What does it take to make people happy :confused:

and most of the disappointment is about, yep you guessed it weather sealing (xxD and xD series)(LMAO)

Yet places like this still are around, Canon still sells thousands of each new DSLR introduced, but with every new model people scream im switching camps (LOL) and guess what the same thing is going on at Nikon forums, Treo forums, Hell even motorcycle forums.

It reminds me of the saying, "You cant have your cake and eat it too"

[BugEyes]

I think the new 5D has a lot of features that I will benefit from...

Upsides
- The ISO performance seem to be outstanding, not having to hesitate for ISO 3200 is worth the upgrade alone. I do a lot of my shooting and high ISO settings.
- Micro lens adjustment seems nice
- Sensor cleaning, 5D needed it more than any other Canon
- Additional weather sealing, my old 5D have seen much rain without complaint and if this one is better it will be enough.
- Full 10 mp sRaw as an alternative to the full resolution, yes I like that and will often use it
- The programmable C1 - C3 is useful for me as I seem to return to similar conditions and can have it all set up in advance
- Live view with silent shooting, if it can focus good enough it will be nice in churches for weddings, will try it out at least.

Letdowns
- I'm dissapointed to see the same AF system more than anything else
- Framerate, had wished for at least 5 fps to make the camera more allround. Now I will have to keep a speedier camera for sports etc, have a 40D for now that I might upgrade to 50D if real life reviews are good.

Altogether, as a wedding shooter it's a nobrainer to do the upgrade and after getting over the initial dissapointment with the AF I now look forward to get my hands on the camera.

BTW, what's full weather sealing? I see only degrees of weather resistance and it's not like you can dive with a 1D.

[FlyingPhotog]

Disapointed is a word that simply can't be applied (yet...)

Without personal hands on experience, how can anyone claim to be anything at this point?

I suppose you can go simply off the specs but AFAIK, no other Canon body has a 21Mp sensor combined with Digic IV. AND, no one has been able to do anything with the RAW files it produces.

JMO, but if you're really feeling disapointed, you had your expectations unrealistically set too high.

As most have eloquently pointed out, this was never going to be a "Blue Collar" 1DsMkIII but I do believe it will be a winner (as was the 5DMkI .. even if it only fits a slightly more than niche market)

Personally, I hope some of the really outstanding portrait shooters here get one (someone like "The Aztech" or Jason Cole come to mind or maybe Freddy in CR*) who really light well and have killer processing techniques. I think it will produce stunning images.

(*No offense intended by using just these to shooters but they're the ones who immediately came to mind...) ;)

[symbolphoto]

Disapointed is a word that simply can't be applied (yet...)

Without personal hands on experience, how can anyone claim to be anything at this point?

JMO, but if you're really feeling disapointed, you had your expectations unrealistically set too high.



Simple, the same crappy autofocus points, with extremely slight modification. I didn't set my expectations too high. I expected in 3 years an enhanced autofous system with, at a minimum, more focus points. :( Not 45, but hell i'd take 24.

[kcbrown]

Disapointed is a word that simply can't be applied (yet...)

Without personal hands on experience, how can anyone claim to be anything at this point?

I suppose you can go simply off the specs but AFAIK, no other Canon body has a 21Mp sensor combined with Digic IV. AND, no one has been able to do anything with the RAW files it produces.

JMO, but if you're really feeling disapointed, you had your expectations unrealistically set too high.


What I was expecting was a 40D with a killer full frame sensor and somewhat slower FPS (it's a full-frame camera, after all). I wasn't sure just how much resolution it would have but the resolution they decided on didn't surprise me one way or the other.

But Canon wouldn't even deliver that. Instead, what we got was a 30D with a killer full frame sensor, sealing, and video.

More precisely, what we really got was an old 5D with an upgraded sensor, sealing, and video. Unless Canon significantly improved the autofocus system, it's now suddenly way behind the capabilities of the sensor. The only way to know is to try it out.

But I think we can take as a given that the peripheral autofocus points will be pretty much useless, since they're not even cross-type. Not that it really matters all that much: their positioning is awful, just like in the original 5D. There's no coverage of the rule of thirds locations in the frame. I think that's inexcusable. But if they were going to insist on retaining the layout, they at least should have made all focus points cross-type.

Well, at least it's inexcusable for the price they want to charge for it. $2700? Only $200 less than the D700. What they're selling should be priced at $2200 (1.6x the 50D's price, to account for the 50D's crop factor :-) ), not $2700.

That is, unless that sensor is so good that it'll be at least 3 years before anyone catches up to it. Then the price is justified. I think the jury's out on that but so far it looks promising.

I'm going to have some hard thinking to do and a lot of what I decide will be based on what actual field experience with the 5DmkII and the 50D shows. If the 5DmkII makes all the other cameras look like point'n'shoots in terms of IQ then I'll probably spring for it. If not, then I'll probably wait for the 60D (the 50D isn't quite good enough for my high-ISO needs, but it's looking like the 5DmkII is).

[FlyingPhotog]

What I was expecting was a 40D with a killer full frame sensor and somewhat slower FPS (it's a full-frame camera, after all). I wasn't sure just how much resolution it would have but the resolution they decided on didn't surprise me one way or the other.

But Canon wouldn't even deliver that. Instead, what we got was a 30D with a killer full frame sensor, sealing, and video.

More precisely, what we really got was an old 5D with an upgraded sensor, sealing, and video. Unless Canon significantly improved the autofocus system, it's now suddenly way behind the capabilities of the sensor. The only way to know is to try it out.

But I think we can take as a given that the peripheral autofocus points will be pretty much useless, since they're not even cross-type. Not that it really matters all that much: their positioning is awful, just like in the original 5D. There's no coverage of the rule of thirds locations in the frame. I think that's inexcusable. But if they were going to insist on retaining the layout, they at least should have made all focus points cross-type.

Well, at least it's inexcusable for the price they want to charge for it. $2700? Only $200 less than the D700. What they're selling should be priced at $2200 (1.6x the 50D's price, to account for the 50D's crop factor :-) ), not $2700.

That is, unless that sensor is so good that it'll be at least 3 years before anyone catches up to it. Then the price is justified. I think the jury's out on that but so far it looks promising.

I'm going to have some hard thinking to do and a lot of what I decide will be based on what actual field experience with the 5DmkII and the 50D shows. If the 5DmkII makes all the other cameras look like point'n'shoots in terms of IQ then I'll probably spring for it. If not, then I'll probably wait for the 60D (the 50D isn't quite good enough for my high-ISO needs, but it's looking like the 5DmkII is).

I understand your concerns and I feel for ya but I think this argument jumps the gun...

The initial reviews using pre-production models seem to be (so far) proving that the AF is entirely up to the job (that job being wedding/fashion/street or at least that's what the initial reviewers seem to primarilly shoot...) I understand that it's really difficult to trust the earliest reports because you really don't know who's shilling for whom but there is a growing body of hands-on feedback and so far it seems to all be positive.

It's not a sports/action body but neither was the 5D so....

[tonnes]

Sigh...

How would you all cope if motor drives and auto-focus had never been invented? How did photographers in the past take photos without these features?

[kcbrown]

Sigh...

How would you all cope if motor drives and auto-focus had never been invented? How did photographers in the past take photos without these features?

With split-prism focusing screens.

And guess what doesn't come with any of these cameras we've been talking about...

Admittedly, live view acts as a nice substitute but only under certain conditions (still subject, primarily)...

[wernersl]

With split-prism focusing screens.

And guess what doesn't come with any of these cameras we've been talking about...

Admittedly, live view acts as a nice substitute but only under certain conditions (still subject, primarily)...
but they are available and interchangeable. awful lot of whining about a camera nobody has even touched yet. if you want a 1ds then get a 1ds...

[ryleung]

How would you all cope if motor drives and auto-focus had never been invented? How did photographers in the past take photos without these features?
How did photographers in the past dealt without such features? How about having 1 good shots out of 5 to choose from, as opposed to 20 good shots and another 20 decent ones out of 50?

I completely agree with kcbrown on the lackluster AF specs and AF points placement.

-Lik

[Johnny V]

.....
The initial reviews using pre-production models seem to be (so far) proving that the AF is entirely up to the job (that job being wedding/fashion/street or at least that's what the initial reviewers seem to primarilly shoot....

I dunno...mostly every shot here is out of focus:

http://www.prophotonut.com/2008/09/20/canon-5d-mk2-high-iso-pictures/#more-724

Don't know if it's the photog or camera.

[FlyingPhotog]

I dunno...mostly every shot here is out of focus:

http://www.prophotonut.com/2008/09/20/canon-5d-mk2-high-iso-pictures/#more-724

Don't know if it's the photog or camera.

I guess that's kinda my point: you can't know for sure (yet)...

A Pre-Production Body shooting nothing but .jpg (no RAW yet) @ nearly astronomical ISOs isn't a fair test. It's an initial impression...

It took Canon three years to bring the 5DMkII to market, I'm ok with giving them a couple months before I make up my mind.

[mattograph]

In our little world, all our hype over the 5D reminded me of a recently superhyped product....

The Segway.

[midnight_rider]

In our little world, all our hype over the 5D reminded me of a recently superhyped product....

The Segway.

Those scooter things.
Those are awesome. I heard the next ones will fly:D

[gjl711]

In our little world, all our hype over the 5D reminded me of a recently superhyped product....

The Segway. I'm actually starting to see those more as gas prices go up. The other day I went to Portillo's, a local beef sandwich shop, and there in drive-up was a guy on his Segway. Got his order and took off.

[FlyingPhotog]

In our little world, all our hype over the 5D reminded me of a recently superhyped product....

The Segway.

Hey, a Segway, a gyro stabilized mount and a 5DMkII?

You could have some fun with that! I know a guy who uses one in conjunction with a BetaCam rig and get some great traveling footage...

He has a camera plate to mount on the left fender and a tripod tube mounted on the right side.

[Indecent Exposure]

nvrmnd

[mattograph]

Hey, a Segway, a gyro stabilized mount and a 5DMkII?

You could have some fun with that! I know a guy who uses one in conjunction with a BetaCam rig and get some great traveling footage...

He has a camera plate to mount on the left fender and a tripod tube mounted on the right side.

Well, there you have it....

Segway -- $4000
5D MK II -- $2600

Cheaper than the 1Ds MKIII!

Sorry, forgot the magic arm.....

[FlyingPhotog]

Well, there you have it....

Segway -- $4000
5D MK II -- $2600

Cheaper than the 1Ds MKIII!

Sorry, forgot the magic arm.....

Not to mention cheaper (and easier to mount) than say a XH-A1 (@ $3300...)

[cvt01]

I don't know where to post this but I'm disappointed that cannon would not take the old 5D body and sensor add the 50D features and sell it for $1995 I mean that would blow away the D300.

[collierportraits]

It's ok. You'll get over it. ;)

[form]

5D II isn't competing with the D300 - the 50D is. The 5D II is competing with the D700 and Sony A900. It's losing in some respects and winning in others. I would take the D700's noise over the 5D II's noise - but I'm already bought into Canon and I couldn't afford either of those cameras anyway.

[Johnny V]

...I would take the D700's noise over the 5D II's noise - but I'm already bought into Canon and I couldn't afford either of those cameras anyway.

Hey form,

Could you point me in the direction where you saw the noise comparison?

Thanks!

John

[cvt01]

form, I did not say anything about 5DII, I want a 5D sensor (and viewfinder) with 50D features for under 2k that would blow the D300 away. With the digic IV it would even do 5 fps or more...

I WILL get over it :D

[Johnny V]

Hey form,

Could you point me in the direction where you saw the noise comparison?

Thanks!

John

To answer my own question regarding noise comparing the Canon 50d vs. Nikon D300:

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos50d/page17.asp

[thrash_273]

im glad they theyre about to release the 5D mkII, that's how i got my 5D at a really good price. we almost feel the same regarding the new 5DII,until we get ome on hand test to it we can only hope, but seeing what it offers it doesn't fit my needs, not a little bit. they can have the high mgp, and video mode. while i'll make use of my 5D almost the same as 5DII and my videocam(hard drive) and be happy.

[midnight_rider]

To answer my own question regarding noise comparing the Canon 50d vs. Nikon D300:

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos50d/page17.asp


Wow so that is a no on the Pentax then Huh? Thanks for posting that.

[Johnny V]

Yep!

Going by the noise graphs looks like the D300 is even with the 50D...but the D300 kicks everyones' butt at ISO 800!

[Stealthy Ninja]

Yep!

Going by the noise graphs looks like the D300 is even with the 50D...but the D300 kicks everyones' butt at ISO 800!

Weird that isn't it?! The D300 suddenly gets better at 800ISO, the goes back to normal at 1600ISO.

The black luminance noise is different. The 50D has a smooooooth curve. The D300 has basically the same thing.

Makes me think the Digic 4 does some black luminance noise reduction (as they said it loses some details because of it). Is a balance achieved?

A700 sucks (IMHO)

[angryhampster]

A700 sucks (IMHO)

I've not been impressed by any of Sony's DSLRs. If nothing else, they just look goofy as hell.

[form]

Hey form,

Could you point me in the direction where you saw the noise comparison?

Thanks!

John

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=591929

[Stealthy Ninja]

I've not been impressed by any of Sony's DSLRs. If nothing else, they just look goofy as hell.

I look pretty goofy too... match made in heaven maybe... :lol:

I tried the a900 the other day.

Buttons everywhere and the grip was definitely designed for small hands.

They do have Zeiss in their corner though... costs $$$ which makes me feel better.

[pieq314]

Yep!

Going by the noise graphs looks like the D300 is even with the 50D...but the D300 kicks everyones' butt at ISO 800!

That is an indication that the Nikon D300's heavy software noise reduction kicks in at ISO 800.

[pieq314]

Hey form,

Could you point me in the direction where you saw the noise comparison?

Thanks!

John

Here is a thread on 5D Mk II and D700's noise comparison. Take a look at my post (#21 in that thread).

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=591929&page=2

[Johnny V]

Thanks everyone for pointing me in the right direction.

Exciting times for all of us... just for the fact we can compare which camera has the best usable output at ISO 25600! Who would have predicted! Big jump from 3M 1000 ASA Chrome film!

[Jannie]

I don't need weather sealing, I'm not weather sealed either so why would I bother staying out so both of use could wet, and I just don't seem to take photos of anything in the rain, it's just never been a necessity.

[danielyamseng]

I don't need weather sealing, I'm not weather sealed either so why would I bother staying out so both of use could wet, and I just don't seem to take photos of anything in the rain, it's just never been a necessity.
Wow, I like this quote.

In fact this is quite true.

[davidinjp]

Wow, I like this quote.

In fact this is quite true.

Photographers living in Seattle laugh, and laugh hard. :)