POTN to start, new site for NOINKERS!!!

[PiRho]

Well folks it's been hinted at <Thread HERE (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=572394)> <Specific Post HERE (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showpost.php?p=6351787&postcount=12)> that POTN will soon start a new forum for those who have issues with using white lenses! :D

Thanks to Mike for the suggestion (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showpost.php?p=6353918&postcount=36) of discussing this in here :)

anybody else like the sounds of this hype ? yes/no tell us about it :D

[Anke]

It would be great to have more people on POTN sharing their knowledge and images for sure, there is such great community spirit here it would be great to share it. I can't see a problem, save for maybe the minority who would start arguments just like the Windows/Mac ones.

[PiRho]

yeah but it doesn't sound like it is going to be directly connected to POTN! not like a subforum, it sounds more like a seperate site :( which would mean we would lose several people who have been sharing a lot of awesome knowledge here on POTN

[sadatk]

I would really rather not start a new site like Nikon Cafe. Nikon people still roam here because of the wealth of info from the large userbase. Lighting and post processing techniques are universal.

[John_B]

PiRho,
I personally wish it was here....
ex. lets say I say the heck with my Canon and go to Nikon now I have to go to another forum run by the same person? ???
Splitting EOS Camera forum to specific models: I prefer to keep all EOS cameras in one place because they are quite similar and all share the know-how regardless of wallet size. If traffic gets higher we might need the split, but not in near future.
I wish he would apply this thinking to multiple DSLR's, and photographers can all share the know-how regardless of camera they use!

Just my opinion of course ;)

[PiRho]

John, I hear what your saying. one of the things that I really love about POTN is that it is so diverse! that is truly a blessing because there are people here that are good with just about any kind of camera that has been made. having such a great diversity of knowledge, and the fact that those on POTN tend to be very VERY helpful and kind is one of the biggest reasons that I joined here! friendly community minded people with more combined knowledge than anywhere else!

I agree that I would really like if this "another plan" would be more along the lines of making POTN not only specifically Canon. even though we are not exclusive even now, we don't have specific sub-forums aimed at the other cameras. the one thing that I see could really make it go bad fast, is there would be a lot of hostile 'comparisons' between cameras. please note I am not against comparing cameras, even if they are made by differing manufacturers. (I have a good friend that shoots NOINK, and I don't hold that against him) keeping those hostile comparisons down to a minimum would take a whole lot of manpower, I think they would have to double the number of mods... anyway, I am definitely not against the idea, I just wanted to start the rumor :D

[Keith R]

If it got rid of the Nikon trolls on here, I'd be all for it...

[Keith R]

I agree that I would really like if this "another plan" would be more along the lines of making POTN not only specifically Canon. even though we are not exclusive even now

More's the bloody pity!

I want a Canon forum that's just that. If I want to read about Nikon I'm quite capable of finding my way to Nikonians or Nikoncafe.

Indeed, I wish POTN was more like Nikoncafe in some respects: POTN is overly tolerant of the Noink trolls and fanboys that spend their time on here, whereas "The Cafe" has banned several members (including some individuals who are POTN members too) for simply pointing out positives in the Canon line up - and in a way which was far less inflammatory and provocative than the kind of crap that Noink fanboys get away with here all the time.

[PiRho]

More's the bloody pity!

I want a Canon forum that's just that. If I want to read about Nikon I'm quite capable of finding my way to Nikonians or Nikoncafe.

Indeed, I wish POTN was more like Nikoncafe in some respects: POTN is overly tolerant of the Noink trolls and fanboys that spend their time on here, whereas "The Cafe" has banned several members (including some individuals who are POTN members too) for simply pointing out positives in the Canon line up - and in a way which was far less inflammatory and provocative than the kind of crap that Noink fanboys get away with here all the time.

I too would enjoy having an exclusive forum, however, I must say that I find the tolorence that POTN mods have just shows that this forum is more mature than those others. I like to kid my noink friend about his d3oo, and when I do that he likes to call me an elitist, this is all fun and games... but if I were to make a judgement on which brand of photogs tend to be more elite... they both are! I am proud of my gear, and what it can do, and so are they, as they should be! noink gear is very good (to me as a paper weight ;) ) just kidding, I just prefer the look, feel, and handling of my canon.

not trying to start a controversy here... :( I meant the thread more as a joke. I guess I am having second thoughts.. don't wanna get myself banned for stirring stuff up :(

[arrgeebee]

I love POTN! It's why I still stick around even after I made the switch to Nikon. When I made the switch I joined a couple of the "other" N based forums and I have to say that I miss POTN terribly. They simply don't have the same members, community, moderators or structure.

I like the idea of POTN catering to Nikon users as well but I DON'T think a new site will be the answer. I think the only way it would appeal to me and other noinkers is to simply integrate Nikon into the current structure. Not much would need to change really. When you think about it, the equipment talk sections are the only areas that are specific to Canon. Adding corresponding Nikon sections can't be too much work. Then we'd get the benefit of being able to share photos, stories and experiences, no matter what you shoot with.

I think that POTN broadening their horizon to include Nikon is a great idea. We definitely do NOT need another nikoncafe/nikonians, etc though. Simply open the existing world to black lenses and success will be easy!

[PiRho]

RGB,
actually I have to say that there is probably enough "X lens sharper than Y" out there, if POTN added a Noink equip sections... it would add a whole lot of stress on the Moderators... I know they are working hard enough already keeping an eye on me ;) so... I am not sure that I would really like them to be spread any thinner... besides the increase in bandwidth needed could be a significant expense... I dunno. I have no problem with folks who are truly interested in photography joining here, no matter what they shoot, but I think that specifically catering to both Canon and Noink may be asking for mod trouble. that's my thoughts on it anyway.

[CyberDyneSystems]

Well nothing is definite yet, but I think you are too quickly discounting the concept of a pair of forums nestled comfortably together under the POTN mast head, each with there specific system in mind.

For the Canon shooting POTN shooters that switched to Noink, I can see the appeal for keeping it all together, but lets not forget that reason POTN is so great. It was the members that helped guide the atmosphere, and grew it to it's current state.

If we add Nikon forums, than the Canon Digital Photography forums will cease to be what it is, and we will be emulating every other tom dick and harry mega forum out there, complete with all the cross posting and in fighting and flame wars that are inherent with locking up two differing species in the same cage.

A separate but equal forum will allow many advantages:

We will remain unique.

We will allow the membership once again to take a significant lead in the growth and direction the forum goes in from day one, as opposed to new Noink shooters inheriting the existing POTN. (The direction may in fact differ from POTN, that will grow organically. )

Currently the vast majority of the growing number of Noink shooters here were either Canon shooters first, or had switched to Canon for Digital in the past,.
With the introduction of Nikon forums, either separate or part of the current forums, that would change. We would quickly attract the long time Noink shooters as well.
In no time, I feel that the number of Noink shooters NOT interesting in Canon gear would out grow our current ones that do.

Marketing options are also something the owner has n mind, separating possibly conflicting marketing approaches is simply good business sense.

Lastly, if at some point the idea of merging them seemed to be the more logical option, this would be FAR easier to do than separating the two entities,. in fact separation would be essentially impossible.



Launching it as a separate yet equal forum side by side with the current Canon forum poses no risk to the current Canon forum, none at all, and leaves the fates separated.

I understand for some it would be "easier" if we simply added other equipment forums,.
But frankly I do not think the "easier" option is the correct one in this case, life is often that way. the harder option is often the one that offers the best end results. So we need to be ready to apply extra effort to get the best new POTN Nikon forum.

Choosing the easy way of adding new forums is not the safest option, it's not the most elegant, and it's certainly not the unique concept that the other option is.

As for it becoming another "nikon cafe" I have no personal experiences there, but I do know that the POTN members shooting Nikon now, if they are willing to jump in with there boots on and help set a standard in a new fresh (and remember, VERY SMALL and there for VERY manageable forum) if they are willing to put there money where there mouth is and lend a helping hand in guiding new members and moderating the new forum with care and knowledge of the Nikon system, then you are the ones that can make the new POTN Nikon forum what it should be.

IMHO it will be a great opportunity to once again create a forum from the ground up that will put the others to shame.

So don't think about what will be easier, instead think about how YOU can be a guiding member of a new forum with a stake holding share in it from the ground floor.

[BenJammin]

I wish it was here, I would like to be able to be on this forum and see what's going on with Nikon's consumers.

[cdifoto]

Funny enough, I'm only "aware" of like three Nikon users. The rest I have no idea exist because they don't advertise the fact. I don't see the trolling referred to in this thread.

[cdifoto]

If there becomes a Nikon-on-the.net forum, I call dibs on my username. I don't want some other schmo stealing my identity. They might commit suicide after discovering what it entails.

[CyberDyneSystems]

If there becomes a Nikon-on-the.net forum, I call dibs on my username. I don't want some other schmo stealing my identity. They might commit suicide after discovering what it entails.

This will be something we will definitely need to work out.
Perhaps a short moratorium that will give only existing Canon forum users a few weeks to secure there current user names before open registration begins..?
Or maybe we can reserve names from the get go.. and supply a password to current members to unlock them?

[cdifoto]

You (or Pekka) could probably export an sql of all current users and then import that into the new forum. That'd let us sign on as usual with our info and passwords intact. I think.

That's what I did when I had to re-install my online shop anyway. It worked with OSC which is also PHP & mySQL based. I don't see why it wouldn't work on vBulletin too.

[arrgeebee]

Jake,

All excellent points that I of course, did not consider. Being in the demographic of "former Canon & POTN user) I just know that I've yet to find a home anywhere near the quality of POTN. My first thought was add a couple of gear forums and we're done since 75% of the forums here could very well be brand agnostic.

I get what you are saying though and I agree with you. I'm willing to help in any way I can. I'd love to belong to a community that's POTN-like but specific to the Nikon brand. Either way, with the direction of the POTN principals, I'm confident it would be like no other existing Nikon community.



Well nothing is definite yet, but I think you are too quickly discounting the concept of a pair of forums nestled comfortably together under the POTN mast head, each with there specific system in mind.

For the Canon shooting POTN shooters that switched to Noink, I can see the appeal for keeping it all together, but lets not forget that reason POTN is so great. It was the members that helped guide the atmosphere, and grew it to it's current state.

If we add Nikon forums, than the Canon Digital Photography forums will cease to be what it is, and we will be emulating every other tom dick and harry mega forum out there, complete with all the cross posting and in fighting and flame wars that are inherent with locking up two differing species in the same cage.

A separate but equal forum will allow many advantages:

We will remain unique.

We will allow the membership once again to take a significant lead in the growth and direction the forum goes in from day one, as opposed to new Noink shooters inheriting the existing POTN. (The direction may in fact differ from POTN, that will grow organically. )

Currently the vast majority of the growing number of Noink shooters here were either Canon shooters first, or had switched to Canon for Digital in the past,.
With the introduction of Nikon forums, either separate or part of the current forums, that would change. We would quickly attract the long time Noink shooters as well.
In no time, I feel that the number of Noink shooters NOT interesting in Canon gear would out grow our current ones that do.

Marketing options are also something the owner has n mind, separating possibly conflicting marketing approaches is simply good business sense.

Lastly, if at some point the idea of merging them seemed to be the more logical option, this would be FAR easier to do than separating the two entities,. in fact separation would be essentially impossible.



Launching it as a separate yet equal forum side by side with the current Canon forum poses no risk to the current Canon forum, none at all, and leaves the fates separated.

I understand for some it would be "easier" if we simply added other equipment forums,.
But frankly I do not think the "easier" option is the correct one in this case, life is often that way. the harder option is often the one that offers the best end results. So we need to be ready to apply extra effort to get the best new POTN Nikon forum.

Choosing the easy way of adding new forums is not the safest option, it's not the most elegant, and it's certainly not the unique concept that the other option is.

As for it becoming another "nikon cafe" I have no personal experiences there, but I do know that the POTN members shooting Nikon now, if they are willing to jump in with there boots on and help set a standard in a new fresh (and remember, VERY SMALL and there for VERY manageable forum) if they are willing to put there money where there mouth is and lend a helping hand in guiding new members and moderating the new forum with care and knowledge of the Nikon system, then you are the ones that can make the new POTN Nikon forum what it should be.

IMHO it will be a great opportunity to once again create a forum from the ground up that will put the others to shame.

So don't think about what will be easier, instead think about how YOU can be a guiding member of a new forum with a stake holding share in it from the ground floor.

[rooeey]

Yeah do it...........
The list of positives would far out way the negatives ...
LOg onto potn and then choose Canon or Nikon one tab and away you go...
Or have either as a favorite so you can go straight into where you want to be.....

[AdamJL]

Well nothing is definite yet, but I think you are too quickly discounting the concept of a pair of forums nestled comfortably together under the POTN mast head, each with there specific system in mind.


I discount it because of DPReview.

That place is a mess, with people criss-crossing and trolling "the other camp's" forum.
It's all well and good in principle, but unfortunately, people don't behave on the internet like they do in real life. There is far more childishness, angst, rudeness, and agression.

I say keep it as is. It's not as if this places bans Nikon users anyway. Everyone has always been free to talk about whatever system they want to, which I think is great. Segregating will just cause problems.

[cdifoto]

I discount it because of DPReview.

That place is a mess, with people criss-crossing and trolling "the other camp's" forum.
It's all well and good in principle, but unfortunately, people don't behave on the internet like they do in real life. There is far more childishness, angst, rudeness, and agression.

I say keep it as is. It's not as if this places bans Nikon users anyway. Everyone has always been free to talk about whatever system they want to, which I think is great. Segregating will just cause problems.
DPReview is under-moderated, if it's even moderated at all. It also does not fit the model proposed by CDS.

[Pete-eos]

Yeah do it...........
The list of positives would far out way the negatives ...
LOg onto potn and then choose Canon or Nikon one tab and away you go...
Or have either as a favorite so you can go straight into where you want to be.....

Amen, as you come in you can choose your path. That way it remains one forum, same user names, post counts, signatures etc will work on both sections etc.

Like the idea..

[zeva]

Guys were forgetting that Pekka pays i believe he said 6,000 USD a year for this forum... Although he does get *some* donations, he still needs to put alot of money into it... it hink personally it will be a big burden on Him (or her?) to maintain two of these sites....

[FlyingPhotog]

Guys were forgetting that Pekka pays i believe he said 6,000 USD a year for this forum... Although he does get *some* donations, he still needs to put alot of money into it... it hink personally it will be a big burden on Him (or her?) to maintain two of these sites....

Perhaps one of those who espouse a preference for Nikon would care to step up and offer their assistance?

[Skid]

The reason I came here, was due to the mainly canon aspect of it, rather than a photography forum. Personally, I like it the way it is :)

[davidfig]

Well I would welcome it. We would be able to see things like this http://www.nikoncafe.com/vforums/showthread.php?t=192918

We just have to figure out how to squelch the inevitable flame wars.

[brianch]

i think that would be a great idea. there are a few nikon forums out there but they are nothing like POTN in terms of design and ease of use. It's so hard to find anything on those forums...

[FlyingPhotog]

Well I would welcome it. We would be able to see things like this http://www.nikoncafe.com/vforums/showthread.php?t=192918

We just have to figure out how to squelch the inevitable flame wars.

If you're on the Canon half, all you can type is *****
If you're on the Nikon half, all you can type is *****

Should be easy to determine which one is being bleeped.

Next Problem... :cool:

[Croasdail]

I was just told that me and nine other photographers are going to have our kits replaced with Nikon kit. So in some ways, I am excited to hear it. At the same time, I went digital with Canon, and there were many here who helped me with that transition. It would be sad to see them walled off into their own area.

But honestly, I have no patience for the fan boy flame war crap, and I don't see how the two camps would live civily together. I am still keeping some of my personal canon kit, so I will have some claim here still.

Sigh... change.

[Longwatcher]

If it could be done, here is how I would do it.
1. All usernames and passwords are common between the two systems. Sign up for one and you have access to both.
2. The POTN book (if it continues) would include photos from both sites and the shop would be common to both.
3. The archive (of everything except equipment) at the time of the split would be on both sites.
4. Otherwise both sites are independant of each other.

Or
Only Canon users can get into the Canon equipment section and only Nikon users can get access to the Nikon equipment section, but otherwise everyone can access everything. If you want access to both then a moderator has to approve the access. If this second one was done, then some strict moderator action preventing cross equipment posting would have to be enforced.

The first suggestion allows for completely different look and feel (including adverts if needed), while the second keeps the look and feel, while minimizing the troll wars between systems.

Just some thoughts.

I am still some what mixed on if it is a good idea or not.

[Pekka]

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=611937

[condyk]

If there becomes a Nikon-on-the.net forum, I call dibs on my username. I don't want some other schmo stealing my identity.

Good idea matey ... can I bag the Kieth R username as a change?

[Arpe]

I'm neither a Canon nor Nikon user at this stage, but am always looking across the various fences to see what's greener. This forum is great for Canon info, but the Nikon ones are crap. If a new Nikon here one can become what this Canon resource has, I for one will be glad.

[DarthVader]

I support your ideas!. It will minimize the "fight" between Canon and Nikon users.

If it could be done, here is how I would do it.
1. All usernames and passwords are common between the two systems. Sign up for one and you have access to both.
2. The POTN book (if it continues) would include photos from both sites and the shop would be common to both.
3. The archive (of everything except equipment) at the time of the split would be on both sites.
4. Otherwise both sites are independant of each other.

Or
Only Canon users can get into the Canon equipment section and only Nikon users can get access to the Nikon equipment section, but otherwise everyone can access everything. If you want access to both then a moderator has to approve the access. If this second one was done, then some strict moderator action preventing cross equipment posting would have to be enforced.

The first suggestion allows for completely different look and feel (including adverts if needed), while the second keeps the look and feel, while minimizing the troll wars between systems.

Just some thoughts.

I am still some what mixed on if it is a good idea or not.

[F4 Cyborg]

Canon
Nikon

CaNion Skychalker, able to take photographs with his CaNion of about any thing he wants.

[S.Horton]

I noticed that the members and the quality of information on POTN are different from the Nikon forums.

I think that one of the reasons is the the level of moderation on POTN.

So, I think POTN would create the best Nikon forum in a short time.

[tommykjensen]

I noticed that the members and the quality of information on POTN are different from the Nikon forums.

I think that one of the reasons is the the level of moderation on POTN.

So, I think POTN would create the best Nikon forum in a short time.

Also POTN has the TF!

[condyk]

I noticed that the members and the quality of information on POTN are different from the Nikon forums.

I think that one of the reasons is the the level of moderation on POTN.

So, I think POTN would create the best Nikon forum in a short time.

Agree ... and most forums are perfectly polite when it comes to gear. It's only a minority here and elsewhere who equate brand with their manhood ... and I think we all know what that's really about :lol::lol:

[S.Horton]

^^ I think that's called "brandhood"

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@Tommy yes, there *IS* a TF.

[PiRho]

Also POTN has the TF!

Long Live the TF!

[gcflora]

What is a TF?

[T.D.]

What is a TF?

Title Fairy. The elusive entity that bestows custom titles on Forum Members. Usually it simply involves the TF listening to the member's words and repeating them. So be forewarned. :cool: The TF is out there. :cool:

[gcflora]

Title Fairy. The elusive entity that bestows custom titles on Forum Members. Usually it simply involves the TF listening to the member's words and repeating them. So be forewarned. :cool: The TF is out there. :cool:

I see :) Before today I didn't believe in fairies.

Thanks

[T.D.]

I see :) Before today I didn't believe in fairies.

Thanks

Ask Sam (S. Horton a few posts above) whether Fairies exist. He's been spanked by one! [and he liked it - or so I'm told] :lol: