SLR swing out lcd

[Pugdaddy]

Why don't any of the slr cams have swing out lcd's? I want the best of both worlds.

[FlyingPete]

Hmmm, duck for cover with a question like that, almost like asking about the 'X Factor' ;)

There are a lot of technical reasons why I doesn't work, the most obvious is the sensor doesn't get a live feed as the mirror is in the way, there are also issues with 'live' data coming of a CMOS sensor.

Have a read of this thread for som further info
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=50882&highlight=LCD

[Pugdaddy]

You're right, Pete. I'm underneath my desk right now as I'm typing this. Jees. Talk about a controversy. It all seems kind of silly to me. You know darned well it's coming in the near future. Just about everyone I've talked to that have the swing outs tell me they wouldn't own another camera without it. Everyone that buys an slr isn't a pro photographer, either. They just have plenty of dough and want slr quality pics.
I'm gonna climb a little further under my desk now and cover myself with a pillow before I say this.
I am thinking of getting a Panasonic FZ20. The reviews on it are just fantastic on Dreview and Steves, both. The sample pics look good to me. All for the low low price of $500. I'm holding off for now though. You know why? No swing out screen. You and I know darned well it's right around the corner for a camera like that. Heck. It might even have a phone in it.

[scottbergerphoto]

A swing out LCD is useful on a P&S because you can use it to compose and focus your shot. On a DSLR, the LCD is only a playback screen because of the already mentioned mirror in the way, so who cares if it swings out?
Just my 2c
Scott

[Pugdaddy]

Gotcha, Scott. I just got finished spending an hour and a half reading the views on the page that Pete directed me to. I hope I didn't start another arguement like that one. I do understand now why there aren't swing outs on slr's. Thanks for answering my question, though.

[wintoid]

Unless I misunderstood the review I read yesterday, the new Fuji S3 supports live preview on the LCD.

[picture-this]

Have you ever tried using manual focus with a lcd, it's about as cool as drinking five liters of milk in a one hour time frame.

[FlyingPete]

Have you ever tried using manual focus with a lcd, it's about as cool as drinking five liters of milk in a one hour time frame.

My daughter does that, the milk that is!

I also highly agree with the manual focus/LCD thing, straight into the too hard basket!

[Ikinaa]

for chimping the swing-out LCD would be nice.:mrgreen:
example : put your cam on the desk, turn the screen so that you can see it, that way, no need of holding the cam to chimp...

[kb244]

Seems like a useless feature in terms of actual usability, but a "cool" feature that would attract consumers from the competitor, when looking at the entry level SLRs.

[Hellashot]

There's no point in a swing out LCD for a dSLR that doesn't have view-through-LCD composition.

[KennyG]

Unless I misunderstood the review I read yesterday, the new Fuji S3 supports live preview on the LCD.

It is not a live preview. It is for composing the image and isn't live as in a P&S's screen.

Lord save us from people wanting to turn DSLR's into P&S cameras.

[scottbergerphoto]

Lord save us from people wanting to turn DSLR's into P&S cameras.
Amen!
Scott

[tim]

If you want live preview or a swing out LCD, get a P&S. I'd not pay more for it, and i'd probably avoid SLR cameras that implemented it. I was told that for live preview you have 2 types of sensors in your sensor array, one for the video preview, one for the pic, so just by having it you lose some quality in the picture. Not to mention there'd have to be some kind of optical development to let you use a live preview at the same time as looking through the viewfinder.

[Tom W]

You never know when the guy next to you might want to see your histogram.

[FlyingPete]

You never know when the guy next to you might want to see your histogram.

You show me yours, I'll show you mine!

[FlipsidE]

When I first got my DRebel, I must admit that I missed that Live Preview LCD screen. I'd find myself trying to find a way to turn it on or trying to take a shot with the camera a foot away from my face wondering when the LCD would come on and show me what I'm about to shoot. Now that I've owned an SLR for a few months, I find myself not even using the LCD's on my P&S cameras anymore. Just feels very unnatural to use anything but the viewfinder.

So, while there might be a DSLR out there with some kind of LCD preview, I must ask, why would you want that? Give it time, and I think you'll agree.

FlipsidE

[Moppie]

why would you want that? Give it time, and I think you'll agree.

FlipsidE


Because you would have to be lieing down in piles of duck s**t to take this with out a flip out LCD

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/Moppie/IMG_0419retouched.jpg

:p :p :p





Lord save us from people wanting to turn DSLR's into P&S cameras.


This is exactly the attitude I was thinking about when I made this thread: http://www.photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=56834

A 20D used in AUTO mode, or even TV or AV is IMO just as much a point and shoot as an S70 used in Auto.
You point it at the subject and you press the shutter button. Yes the DSLR will focus faster, and usualy produce a higher quality image, but they both required the same level of input and knowledge from the user.


Live preview on an LCD is a legtimate compositional aid.
It lets you take photos from perspectives you would never be able to get with an SLR and it always gives a 100% preview, not a 90% or smaller crop like some SLRs viewfinders.
It of course has its limitations, they are almost impossible to use for manual focus and good luck tracking a fast moving subject with one.
But then try composing a shot with a viewfinder while the camera is held an inch above the level of a lake, flat on the side of a mountian or looking up from flat on the grass.

If a way can be found to give SLRs a live preview screen, that is also flip out with out any loss of image quality or functionality then it should certianly be included.
Rather than taking away from the power of an SLR, it would only add to it.

[Tom W]

Angle Finder "C". No use compromising image quality for full-time preview when the tool is readily available.

[FlyingPete]

Because you would have to be lieing down in piles of duck s**t to take this with out a flip out LCD

Great shot!

I have to admit my G3 (flip screen included) is of great use with shots like this, I had an angle finder on mu OM1, and didn't like it that much, even with that, there would be too high a chance to get chomped by the duck!

Live preview on an LCD is a legtimate compositional aid.
It lets you take photos from perspectives you would never be able to get with an SLR and it always gives a 100% preview, not a 90% or smaller crop like some SLRs viewfinders.
It of course has its limitations, they are almost impossible to use for manual focus and good luck tracking a fast moving subject with one.
But then try composing a shot with a viewfinder while the camera is held an inch above the level of a lake, flat on the side of a mountian or looking up from flat on the grass.


As a long time SLR user, I agree.

If a way can be found to give SLRs a live preview screen, that is also flip out with out any loss of image quality or functionality then it should certianly be included.
Rather than taking away from the power of an SLR, it would only add to it.

Duck :p for cover, here come the flames!

I ahve often thought that a small camera attachment to the view finder with a LCD screen on a cable would be a great tool for SLR's. Might try and make one...