5D MkII Sample Video is up...

[Gabe63]

This was the first post that made me want the camera, regardless of marketing hype.

[Stealthy Ninja]

What's the big obsession over 24p? Heck most TVs don't know what to do with it and of the ones that do most make it look like crap.

Does any type of media other than a few BluRay discs even come in 24p?

Show that video to a million people and you'd be lucky to find 100 that even knows what 24p is and out of those 100 maybe 5 could tell it wasn't 24p.

The 24p issues is way overblown.

Gene

Yes, I agree. Apart from indie filmmakers (who want to print to film) there is little use for it. It is a stylistic choice for some people though.

You can usually pick out 24p because in some TV programs they'll use it for the non-action shots (doesn't do motion too well) like interviews, then they'll go back to interlaced or something with a faster frame rate for the other parts.

It's sorta funny, like in the 70s when everything outside was shot on film and the inside stuff (studio) was shot on video.

See this for a funny example (about 1/2 way you'll understand - no it's not a Rickrolled):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI_whOzMu1c

[Raymond Lin]

I just had a thought earlier, the fact that we like that Laforet video or any video is because it is interesting, every clip has something going on and his video is set. He had a script, a shot in mind and he shot it to that script. Most of us shoot things as they come, weddings, landscapes and what not, you can't script how everyone is going to do, where they are going to look and when so to make an interesting video would require some really good editing or plan it from the start.

My point is that a shot of the feet of a crowd can make an interesting photo and you might stare at it for 10 seconds, if that is a video and nothing happens for 10 seconds you'll get bored.

[Stealthy Ninja]

My point is that a shot of the feet of a crowd can make an interesting photo and you might stare at it for 10 seconds, if that is a video and nothing happens for 10 seconds you'll get bored.

Yes, I had the same thought too, many times.

I do a LOT of corporate stuff where they want me to put photos together in a montage (using ken burns effect and cross fades etc.) I don't leave them up there for longer than 5 seconds (depending on the interest). I usually put them up for about 3 seconds.

Next time you watch an ad on TV. Count how many times they cut. For some reason, we get bored a lot quicker watching video. Maybe it's because we're use to it moving so fast.

[FlyingPhotog]

Yes, I agree. Apart from indie filmmakers (who want to print to film) there is little use for it. It is a stylistic choice for some people though.

You can usually pick out 24p because in some TV programs they'll use it for the non-action shots (doesn't do motion too well) like interviews, then they'll go back to interlaced or something with a faster frame rate for the other parts.

It's sorta funny, like in the 70s when everything outside was shot on film and the inside stuff (studio) was shot on video.

See this for a funny example (about 1/2 way you'll understand - no it's not a Rickrolled):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI_whOzMu1c

Growing up watching Monty Python and Benny Hill, this used to drive me nuts!

I knew there was something different shot to shot with programming from the UK but it wasn't until I got to college and started studying broadcasting that I finally figured out WHY there was a difference...

(Still annoys the heck out of me...)

[2112]

What's the big obsession over 24p? Heck most TVs don't know what to do with it and of the ones that do most make it look like crap.

Does any type of media other than a few BluRay discs even come in 24p?

Show that video to a million people and you'd be lucky to find 100 that even knows what 24p is and out of those 100 maybe 5 could tell it wasn't 24p.

The 24p issues is way overblown.

Gene


Wrong. This video is pretty amazing but at the frame rate its running, doesnt look like a movie, or even an indie movie. 24P with cinema mode on my HV30 is awesome, it DOES look like a movie. This would look even better in 24P and have that movie quality its lacking, but you cant have everything. Maybe on the 5D MKIII

[Adamora]

as soon as i buy this camera, im renting a helicopter for a day.

[circles_of_confusion]

What's the big obsession over 24p? Heck most TVs don't know what to do with it and of the ones that do most make it look like crap.

Does any type of media other than a few BluRay discs even come in 24p?

Show that video to a million people and you'd be lucky to find 100 that even knows what 24p is and out of those 100 maybe 5 could tell it wasn't 24p.

The 24p issues is way overblown.

Gene

Sure, probably only indie filmmakers and other people who would like to mimic the look of film will care. Daddy shooting his daughter's birthday party to email to the relatives won't care less whether the camera shoots 30 or 24fps.

If you're going to go to bluray though, it's encoded natively at 1080/24p. Most new TV's will be supporting it and any consumers who want to recreate their home theater experience will have it.

It's funny people are complaining that adding video capabilities to the MKII lessens the equipment from "pro" to "consumer". But really, supporting 24P would seriously add to the "pro"-ness of the camera. :D

[circles_of_confusion]

I'll agree it does open up possibilities for the future; my point is that there is a lot more involved in producing even a short clip like that, compared to being able to shoot, process, and print an entire wedding by yourself.

But saying Vincent isn't a cinematographer is like saying Hendrix wasn't much of a Spanish classical guitarist... sure, it wasn't his thing, but I bet he could pick it up pretty quickly and be better than 99% of other classical guitarists.

Yes, I agree that Vincent would no doubt easily make the transition to cinematographer if he was so inclined, but as he stated himself in his blog, he's not a professional cinematographer and it was his first time shooting something like that. The language of film is a somewhat different beast than still photography, where cutting, coverage, shot consistency, set lighting, and film speed all come into play. And while the short film is an excellent demo of the technical and artistic capabilities as well as limitations of the new camera, I honestly felt a little disappointed by the story component of the short, with such beautiful visuals I was hoping for much more from the story and editing. It's interesting to see which shots were left on the cutting room floor though.

Filming live action has always required at least a small crew, but with the new 5D the barrier to entry to producing quality work has been brought quite low. That's why I think those of us from film are very interested in a device that can reproduce the shallow DOF of 35mm combined with the sensitivity of modern film stocks that doesn't require $10K lenses, cameras on top of film stock developing and telecine costs.

Video and photography is definitely on a collision course in convergence, and it sure is exciting.

Speaking of weddings and story, here is a very good one in only 60 seconds:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXOrbo6DX9U

The 30 second version of that commercial is even more interesting.

[echo]

Although the video wasn't much to my liking content wise I do think that it highlights the possibilities with the new 5D. It kind of made my mind up, I'm going to be getting at least one :)

[aduljr]

You can't just right-click and save target as etc.?


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[Adamora]

Vincents visiting dubai for GPP 2009 =D cant wait to meet him in person.

http://www.gulfphotoplus.com/gppnew/Main.php

[pablogott]

I just read through this thread and was surprised no one is talking about the video compression. If that video on the canon site is exactly what comes off the camera then color me unimpressed. It uses h.264 and I'm wondering how that compares to HDV (mpeg-2). From the footage I've seen it looks like there's a lot more compression artifacting then I'm getting with even HDV.

If that's representative of the results, I don't see how this can compare to other prosumer video cameras. IMHO from this viewpoint the HVX looks better, despite lower resolution and the inability to change lenses.

Sure the depth of field and low light shooting capabilities are enticing, but the 4gig limit and the compression artifcating makes me think that for anyone buying this for video might be disappointed.

There's a rental shop near my office, I'll bring in a CF card and see if they'll let me play with their rental model so I can confirm my suspicions here.

[pablogott]

So all of the video examples I've seen on the web are compressed. I just tested it out at a nearby rental shop. The data rate is 39.54 mbit/s.

It looks beautiful.

I couldn't figure out how to stop the auto iso, or if it's possible, and I'm not sure about the white balance either. You can shoot in manual mode though, I'm just not that familiar with SLR's in general so I couldn't figure it out in the limited time.

If anyone wants a copy of my hastily taken video of the camera shop let me know and I'll find somewhere to share it.

I didn't find the jello effect to be noticeable from most of the handheld shooting I did.

My computer is struggling to keep a constant 30fps, dipping down to 28 a lot. I guess that's to be expected. My next step is to see how this looks in final cut pro's Prores422.

I have a MacPro with 2x3GHz Dual-Core Xeons, 4 gigs of RAM, and a NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT (256mb RAM)

[bacchanal]

^^^Yeah, anything that you can stream on the web is going to be compressed.

There really aren't any manual controls for video...the 5DII is not like a camcorder at all. There are a few work arounds that allow some control (manual aperture control lenses and AE lock). But if you can get over/around the limitations, the video quality is great and the camera offers some unique creative possibilities.