Landscapes: 10-22mm EF-S or 17-40mm f/4L

[Sydor25]

I'm looking for a landscape lens to replace the "kit" lens for my Canon 20D. I've seen photo examples from the 17-40mm f/4L (and they are impressive), but not much from the 10-22mm EF-S. Since they both cost around the same, which lens would you guys recommend for a hobbyist? Does anyone here use a 10-22mm EF-S lens?

[gramps]

I don't have the 10 - 22 YET..................but it is on my "need to buy" list.

[Bodog]

Big difference in field of view...

[reggie]

Get the 17-40. I'm glad of the results it gives on a 1.6x camera.
All these except the bird shot were snagged with it.

http://freespace.virgin.net/greg.newby/glencoe/index.html

Regards

Greg

[Leon van Batenburg]

17-40: reasonable "all-rounder" on a 20D.
10-22: serious wide angle. Ask yourself: can I handle this? It takes lessons learned and experience to use such a lense. I myself believe good wide angle shots are beyond anything else! I would take the 10-22, but only if I already had an all-round or medium lens. Be prepared to learn: dare to make mistakes (hence the word) and learn from them!

[WestFalcon]

I have the same situation....I have the 17-40 but would like wider. I think the 12-24(hope that is the right mm) Sigma is a better buy. You can't use the canon on full frame or 1.3x magnification. The Sigma reviews are very good and the lens is $579 at 17th Street phot in NY...cheaper than the canon.....I can afford the canon but I will still probably buy the Sigma.

[Sydor25]

I guess I should add which lenses that I already have:

18-55mm "kit"
50mm f/1.8
28-135mm IS
75-300mm IS


Greg, what were you standing on for the "Reflections on Rannoch" shot?

[Leon van Batenburg]

Well, your overview leads to only one choice, imho. I read some articles describing the glass of the 10-22 as good as on par with L-glass.

[mbze430]

I have thought about gettign 10-22 for awhile, the only thing that is holding me back is the EF-S. Since I still have regular 35mm film camera, I can only use this with my 20D.

Until there is a 10-22mm f2L or something which fits on a full frame, I am skipping the EF-S.

[pcasciola]

If the 18-55 kit lens is wide enough for you the 17-40 should do, but it's obvious that the 1.6x camera users are missing the FOV that 17-40 provides on full frame cameras, because every major lens manufacturer has announced a lens to provide this coverage on the smaller sensors. Tamron is coming out with an 11-18mm, Tokina is very close to releasing their 12-24mm, and Sigma just announced a 10-20mm, all designed for 1.5x or smaller sensors.

[Hellashot]

I'm probably going to go with the Simga 12-24mm because it can also be used on film cameras and bigger sensor digital cameras until EF-S and even the new 10-22 from Sigma.

[Lesmac]

I think it depends what type of photography you do, landscapes are fine with 17-40 and a 20D, I use 17-40 on 1DS MKII, therefore equivalent to 10-22mm on a 20D, the extra width is handy, but not essential, and I find I often crop back.
The other issue is that you can't stack filters without vignetting, similarly you need slimline filters if you go for 10-22.
Some samples with 17-40 in my gallery
http://lesmclean.photoblink.com/

[kawter2]

Tamron is coming out with an 11-18mm, .

OMG I missed this!!! can you please share the info!! has it been reviewed?

[pcasciola]

OMG I missed this!!! can you please share the info!! has it been reviewed?Here are the press releases:

Tamron 11-18mm:
http://www.tamron.co.jp/en/news/release/news0928_a13.html

Tokina 12-24mm f/4:
Haven't seen a press release on this one, but it's listed as coming soon on B&H at $499, and constant f/4 aperture, too!!!! It was supposed to be out last month.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=360349&is=REG

Sigma 10-20mm:
http://www.pma-show.com/sigma/004_10-20_ex_dc_lens.html

[HJMinard]

I'm probably going to go with the Simga 12-24mm because it can also be used on film cameras and bigger sensor digital cameras

The thing I don't like about this lens is the lack of front filter threads. I consider it a necessity to have the option to attach a circular polarizer and/or a graduated ND filter to a wide angle (landscape) lens. Admittedly, I don't know anything about rear gelatin filters ... perhaps the same things can be accomplished with these?

[Jesper]

Note that Sigma now also has a new 10-20 mm lens (for 1.6x crop factor cameras only). I haven't read anywhere about what it's going to cost, but it will probably cheaper than the Sigma 12-24 and the Canon 10-22.

[pierrot]

Me too I was balancing wether or not to go for an EF-S (or similar) because of its incompatibility with "normal" bodies. But in fact I have already sold my EOS5 and can't afford a D1. So I think that:
1) I'll keep my 20D for a while and
2) we're not about to see manufacturers abandon the small format sensors. On the opposite, this could definitely be the format of all prosumer cameras for the years to come.
So I decided to forget the "regular" body compatibility issue. I was missing a real wide too much.
I bought the 10-22 and it really is a great piece of glass. It reminds me alot of the 17-35L I used on my EOS5: very low distorsion, very low flare, crisp pictures. OK, one f-stop less... ;)

[RJSorensen]

With all of the DRebel's out there, sold and to be sold and the 20D moving like hot cakes . . . there will be a secondary market for EFS lenses for quite a while. I am not going back to film so I don't care if I can use it on a film body or not. Who knows . . . you may see the next generation of the Mark's being able to use these as well.

People like small, short, good quality lens . . . and they lend themselves to reduced cost on Canon's end. I have the 17-85 EFS and quite enjoy it for a general purpose, walk around lens. But at 17 on the wide end, I find that I must 'sneaker zoom' backwards to get a lot of what I want to shoot, so a 10 would be heaven for sure.

[Monito]

With all of the DRebel's out there, sold and to be sold, the 10D, and the 20D moving like hot cakes . . . there will be a secondary market for EFS lenses for quite a while.

EF-S will not work with the 10D. Don't try it unless you like mirror and lens damage.

[Redbird_xo]

Tokina 12-24mm f/4:
Haven't seen a press release on this one, but it's listed as coming soon on B&H at $499, and constant f/4 aperture, too!!!! It was supposed to be out last month.


The Tokina had been released here in Asia. Some Asian photography forum contains test pix posted by users. One worth noting observation is that light falls off at the widest aperture is pretty apparent. I have seen a copy in store and its size is small. Considering its price and size (and weight), it's still an attractive option to those who want to give their necks a break.

[RJSorensen]

My bad . . . as noted 10D will not work with the 10-22. I corrected the original post to reflect same. Sorry and Thanks.

[ScottE]

I have the 17-40 and it is not wide enough for many landscape shots. I used to use a 20-35 with my 35 mm camera and found that range to be very useful. The 10-22 would be like using a 16-35 mm lens on a 35 mm camera so it should be ideal for landscape with a 1.6x digital camera.

I have no problems with it being useable only on APS sized sensors. If I ever get a full size sensor camera again the 17-40 will do just fine for landscape.

I am waiting to see what the new Sigma 10-20 lens will be like. I could use that on my D60 as well. The Canon 10-22 could only be used on my 20D.

Scott

[Sydor25]

I purchased the Canon 10-22mm EF-S today and took some shots down at the beach. I haven't downloaded the shots yet, but I sure loved taking pictures with such a wide-angle. :D

I'll post some pictures later in the photo sharing section.

[Europa]

Go with the Canon 10-22mm if you don't ever plan to use a Full frame Canon body. If there is a Full Frame body to be purchased get the Sigma.

[musthavemuzk]

here is a bit on the canon 10-22
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/lenses/Canon-10-22mm-test.shtml

i myself just stepped to a DSLR with the 20D. my first real camera. while a wide lens is not planned to start with i am thinking about glass as a long term investment kinda thing. if this happens to take off then i may end up with a 1series camera. with that in mind the ef-s lenses and similar ones from other makers will do me no good. will there still be a market for them? sure. soi could get some of my money back by selling it, but i am just looking at this from a long haul perspective.

but as i said wide is not in my immediate. as i prefer action stuff. so a fast big lens is the first step for me. but i noticed today that i used the kit lens indoors as it proviced a better view for that kind of shooting rather than the 50/1.8 which i bought for indoor shooting. go figure.

a tough choice that is for sure.

Monty

[griff2]

I'll be replacing the kit lens too. I'm happy with the FOV with the kit at 17mm and @ 1.6 x with the rebel, so will be definately replacing it with the 17-40 f/4L

[Sydor25]

Took some more shots tonight and I can see the benefit of this lens for the professional photographer, but I'm not sure if it is right for me. If I was selling my pictures, then it would be a great lens. I just don't see myself printing enough large prints to make the lens worthwhile. 4x6 prints just don't do the shots justice and there are only so many 20x30 prints that I can make. So far, all of my favorite shots with this lens seem to be at the 22mm focal length and the 17-40 f/4L would work just fine.



Thoughts from other 10-22mm owners?



*Sample pics can be found here. (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=59862)

[Adam Hicks]

You just need to spend more time with the 10-22, or find better places to shoot where you can really use the lens. I have produced shots for a magazine that I would not have gotten with the 18-55 or 17-40. Sometimes you can really use the distortion to your advantage to exaggerate your subject... a quick example I can think of would be something here I shot of a Ferrari Enthusiast...

kinda big and not post processed but... http://fotop.net/adam12hicks/MSR_Feb_2005/Roberto_wide_on_one_car

and here's the same lens on the same car at f22 untouched. Nice and sharp in my opinion... (also huge)
http://fotop.net/adam12hicks/MSR_Feb_2005/360_side_22mm_untouched?full=1

When I bought the 10-22 I did it mainly for shooting garages for our 'Garage Mahal' section, but I've since found that it's much more useful than that. I can carry it and my 100-400 and actually do without the entire middle range that most people use as their 'carry' lenses. It's a little unconventional, but shooting either wide or tight yields much more interesting shots than just standard field of view shots.

Adam

[Monito]

You have to learn how to see at 10mm before you even put the camera up to your eye. You have to integrate the view in your mind as you are looking for shots.

It amazes me how many people buy expensive camera equipment and then just "exchange" it because they didn't think through their choices properly first. Then they (I'm speaking in general, not specifically about anyone) complain about the high cost of equipment.

[paulhillion]

You just need to spend more time with the 10-22, or find better places to shoot where you can really use the lens.

I totally agree, now that I've got the 10-22 I'm not going to be selling it in the near future just because my local landscapes aren't crying out for such a wide shot. In 12 months time I'm going to be in Australia for a few months and i can just see myself now standing in front of Ayres Rock, 20D and 10-22 on the tripod and one very happy photographer! Up until then I intend to get lot's of practice with the lens, when it stops raining of course :-(