20D Vs D70 decision time!!!!!!!

[aphonic]

While doing my online research I have filtered the results to 2 DSLR cameras.



Have a look at the filtering link:



http://www.viewscore.com/category_page.php?categoryID=3&use_aging=1&use_aging_cb=on&search=1&price=1500&atr_1=DSLR*-*DSLR


the 20D with (11) professional reviews

and the D70 with (20) professional reviews



After the ranking analyze I can see that the 20D is ranked first (with 3 points difference) but costs more…

Is the higher ranking worth the price difference?

[CyberDyneSystems]

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/search.php?searchid=59338

Those search results will list threads where the D70 is compared to 300D/Rebel, 10D and 20D

You'll find that the genral consensus is that the D70 edges out the 300D,.. looses to the 10D and is simply blown out of the water by the 20D.

[aphonic]

can i get some input from the users? i have held both cameras in hand and i can't make my mind......


http://photography-on-the.net/forum/search.php?searchid=59338

[ssim]

You will receive a very biased opinion here. Virtually everyone here has already made the Canon decision. If it was me making the decision for me, I would choose Canon (hardly biased at all). Do you want the extra resolution that you get from the 20D. Is that worth the extra money. It would be in my book.

[CyberDyneSystems]

can i get some input from the users? i have held both cameras in hand and i can't make my mind......

I'm pretty sure those that posted in the threads in the search were in fact users of something :lol:

I'm a 20D user and I chose it over the D70,. and as mentioned above,. I would also be one who would chose the 10D over the D70. :)

[CoolToolGuy]

FWIW, lens compatibilty is easy with Canon, mind-boggling with Ni*on. Any Canon EF or EF-S lens ever made will work on the 20D. There are issues with some older non-Canon lenses, but that is not unique to Canon. As for Ni*on, they may all mount on the camera, but auto-focus, auto-exposure, etc. may not work.

This may be an issue as you fill out your lens inventory unless you can afford all new lenses.

Have Fun,

[aphonic]

so can i say that the ranking info in viewscore is the way to go?
:lol:

[DaveG]

While doing my online research I have filtered the results to 2 DSLR cameras.



Have a look at the filtering link:





http://www.viewscore.com/category_page.php?categoryID=3&use_aging=1&use_aging_cb=on&search=1&price=1500&atr_1=DSLR*-*DSLR


the 20D with (11) professional reviews

and the D70 with (20) professional reviews



After the ranking analyze I can see that the 20D is ranked first (with 3 points difference) but costs more…

Is the higher ranking worth the price difference?


I also think that you have to look at the Nikon vs Canon track record and not the 20D and D70 just on their own. I had Nikon manual focus lenses froma 20mm f4 to a 300mm f2.8 and I still came to the conclusion that it was better for me to cut my losses and go Canon. Canon had eaten Nikon's lunch for the last decade, and has continued to do so since I bought my 10D two years ago.

Just today Nikon proved once again that they don't live on this planet, as they introduced the Nikon D2Hs for $3500 US. Great camera except (and you have to really search for this in the fine print) it's still a 4MP camera as the D2H was!

Like the D2H this would be the camera I'd buy if I owned a newspaper. Why? Because it's good enough for the paper but none of the shooters will take it home to shoot weddings or freelance work. It's just not good enough for that! 4MP in 2005? What are they thinking?

I know that you are comparing the 20D and the D70 (and the D70 from most accounts is a very nice camera) so why am I ranting about the D2Hs? Well you not only are going to marry the D70, you are going to marry the D70's family which looks quite disfunctional right now.

Oh, the last point. I'd be very surprised if the D70 was replaced in a couple of days with a D90. If you do decide to go Nikon, you might want to wait until the PMA is over.

[michael.luczkow]

i personally don't even think the cameras compare. That's just me though.

[lkorell]

Rankings and reviews can be valuable, but what it comes down to is what do you need? If you are looking for resolution, speed, and specific "pro" features, the 20D will give you way more than the D70. The D70 is closer in features to the digital Rebel. The 20D is a step up, in fact several steps up from both of those cameras.

I have worked with the 20D along side the D70 and the 20D for my money blows it away. If you can spend the extra money go for it.

If you invest in Canon L lenses you will be amazed at the high quality of the images and you will also notice that the 20D can compete with higher end Canon cameras very well.

Just my opinions.

Lou

[kb244]

hrm, this is funny, trying to compare Nikon's Entry Level DSLR, with Canon's High End DSLR.

[aphonic]

i am getting confused........:oops:

[René Damkot]

It's really simple: When choosing between the D70 and 20D, go for the 20D....
As said, quality wise, the ranking is like this: 300D - D70 - 20D
I don't know if there are other factors: Do you already own a lot of Nikon or Canon equipment (lenses, flash, analog camera), Do you plan on upgrading the DSLR in the forseeable future? (and if so, would you rather get a 1Dwhatever or a D2whatever?) It's more like choosing a system than a camera then.
If you're just choosing a camera: The 20D is the better, but the D70 is pretty nice as well. (And IMHO the flash metering on the Nikons still is a _lot_ beter)

[mbze430]

I think some people have a mind set, specially asking whether to choose Nikon or Canon. Here are a few things I tell people.

1) Which brand are you familiar with?
2) Do you already have a partial system? or starting out fresh?
3) Do you have any friends or relatives that have a system?

Let me explain

1) I am not talking about brand recognition. Rather, if you have ever used a manufacture product. I originally started with a Pentax, once I got to my 3rd year in High School photography class, we were finally allow to use our own system. I chose Canon. At the time AE-1 was the hottest thing, however I couldn't afford it, so I still used Canon. Ever since I am still with Canon. Because I am comfortable with their "ergonomics"

2) If you already have a few lens and accessory from a manufacture, you might just want to go with that. Of course most people who bought in alot of stuff for a particular system will have a hard time jumping on to another system.

3) Friends and relatives are great. You can always get personal help, and borrow lens & accessories. This is a great way to try out things that you might not have.

My advise, don't go overboard trying to nickpick each camera. 20d vs d70 vs 300d blah blah blah. They are all just a tool. They all will take great picture. The more you compare, the less time you are taking picture...and the more confused you'll get. Because you will be hendered by all the jargon about why your camera isn't good enough...etc...etc...

Buy what you can afford, and go out and shoot.

[Citizensmith]

Looking at lenses you will buy may also help make the choice.

First, as has already been mentioned, Canon have better compatibility than Nikon across the range of lenses. Canon also appear somewhat cheaper when looking at equivalent lenses.

Second, <gross generalization> Nikon make slightly better wide angle lenses, Canon make slightly better telephoto lenses. </gross generalization>. Certainly a reason why most sport and wildlife folks go for Canon.

More specifically, how much do you have to spend on lenses and roughly what do you want. Both companies make some great lenses, but see if what you particularly want is in your price range and even exits. For instance Nikon don't make any Tilt and Shift lenses, and their VR (Canons IS equivalent) is available in fewer and more pricy glass.

[Longwatcher]

First, if you can, wait a couple of weeks until PMA 2005 is over to buy a new digital camera. You may or not be getting the best overall value if you get it before then as there are some new cameras expected. If there are no new cameras in that range then...

Second, go with the 20D if you can afford it and you think you may upgrade your camera (as opposed to lenses) anytime in the next 5 years. Canon is a better value.

If however, you don't envison there being any reason you would upgrade the camera sometime in the next 10 years, then go with which ever one feels the best to you. They are both good cameras, but the 20D just happens to be the better camera.

In order (ignoring 1D series and equivilants) between Canon and Nikon:
the Canon 20D is best
Canon 10D is second best
(it is now almost 2 years old and still beats the D70 which came out this time last year)
D70 is third
Canon 300D is a close fourth
Canon D60
Nikon D100

Just remember that once you start buying lens, you are somewhat committed to that camera system. This is one area where Canon is definately a better value in the long run as they eventually hope to have all of their DSLR to be FF cameras, while Nikon sticks with 1.5x format.

[Mike Panic]

i think camera's aside, look at the most important thing - lens lineup... the nikkor line is amazing... but imho doesnt touch the canon line w/ a 10 foot stick

[drisley]

Plus the 20D is metal, the D70 is plastic.
:)

[NYC2BGI]

You will receive a very biased opinion here. Virtually everyone here has already made the Canon decision. If it was me making the decision for me, I would choose Canon (hardly biased at all). Do you want the extra resolution that you get from the 20D. Is that worth the extra money. It would be in my book.
I agree. This is a Canon forum. Many of us already did our research and decided that the 20D was the way to go.

[Citizensmith]

I agree. This is a Canon forum. Many of us already did our research and decided that the 20D was the way to go.

Which makes a similar Nikon forum hard to find. We all did our research and bought Canon. :)

[aikidoforever]

Plus the 20D is metal, the D70 is plastic.
:)

I was a Minolta user for many years and one day my gear got stolen. It was the worst day of my life, but also the best because now I had no reason to stick to one brand. I went searching for the "best" digital SLR body under $2,000 CDN. The 20D won hands down. All features aside, I was sick of the Minolta's plastic bodies and I wanted metal. I wanted something durable! The D70 isn't durable, it felt as fragile as my Maxxum 7.

I think I'm buzzed on flu medication!! Yeee-haw!! ;-)

Good luck!

Ivan

[Ogrt48]

Bah, don't use your camera as a hammer...

[Raj]

Well I choose 20D over D70.
Dont look at 20D vs D70, look at canon vs nikon.
With DSLR, your major investment will be in lenses (& product spedific accessories may be) rather than the camera body itself. You will most probably spend more on different lenses while sticking to a good body.
Its kind of making a decision whether you want to stick to canon or nikon in future. D70 is a great value for price, no doubt about it, however when I contacted some of the Ni* users, they also mentioend canon has better lens line up + they have to wait long time for new features & feel lagging behind to canon users.
So, a $500 (20D vs D70) difference is not much at the moment to consider, it will seem pretty minor with your ongoing investments, look for which company or productline you want to stick to.

Just be cool on this, you will be making a important decision :-) & as everyone said, wait for PMA 2005 results. Meanwhile keep asking people & yourself !!

Good luck

[FlyingPete]

This just got easy, get the Digital Rebel XT!

[Geeeyejo]

I too am in the decision mode for a Dig SLR - but the 20D and even D70 are more than I could sell to my wife! :o

I am seriously considering the Rebel versus the Olympus Evolt E-300. The Rebel has the iso / noise advantage as well as a plethora of available/affordable lenses. The oly has 8 mp and imho a much more solid, rugged feel (I checked both at best buy) I also (through an inside connection) can get the E-300 for $699 versus the $999 retail price! I am really torn - I like the feel and the value of the Oly, but need to hope that some manufacturers (I understand sigma has started) support and come up with some affordable lenses for the 4/3 format.
Anyway I guess the point is maybe check the E-300 as well...

[Tom W]

Geeeyejo - Check out the new Rebel here:

http://www.pma-show.com/review/canon/001_EOS_digital_rebel_xt.html

[bentzenb]

Well, I guess you guys helped convince this beginner to stop sitting on the fence - Canon 20D is the DSLR for me to use with the birds in the field ...

But now this new Rebel... hmmmm.. And please give me details about PMA 2005. It seems to be some big convention, right?

[CoolToolGuy]

Well, I guess you guys helped convince this beginner to stop sitting on the fence - Canon 20D is the DSLR for me to use with the birds in the field ...

But now this new Rebel... hmmmm.. And please give me details about PMA 2005. It seems to be some big convention, right?

Look here:
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=58312

Have Fun,

[Hellashot]

While doing my online research I have filtered the results to 2 DSLR cameras.



Have a look at the filtering link:



http://www.viewscore.com/category_page.php?categoryID=3&use_aging=1&use_aging_cb=on&search=1&price=1500&atr_1=DSLR*-*DSLR


the 20D with (11) professional reviews

and the D70 with (20) professional reviews



After the ranking analyze I can see that the 20D is ranked first (with 3 points difference) but costs more…

Is the higher ranking worth the price difference?


First of all the 20D isn't in the same class as the D70. Nikon doesn't have an answer for the 20D. The D70 is in the same class as the Drebel. So soon Canon will have a replacement for the camera that Nikon doesn't have a camera to compete against.

Canon has 62% of the dSLR market!

[Persian-Rice]

Forget all the excess jibber-jabber.
20D hands down. And I for one like Nikon cameras........

[Citizensmith]

Of course now you are reading the Digital Rebel XT posts and this becomes irrelevant as the 20D looks a lot more pricey for little gain, and the D70 looks like a joke. :)