PMA Show/Canon EOS Rumor Thread [Archive] - Canon Digital Photography Forums

CoolToolGuy

14th of January 2005 (Fri), 15:43

The PMA show is Feb. 20-23 in Orlando, FL. This is where Canon and the other big names introduce new products.

http://pma2005.pmai.org/

Any guesses on what Canon will announce?

Okay, I'll start it off:

I think it is a foregone conclusion that the successor to the Digital Rebel will be announced. The Drebel will be a year-and-a-half old by then, and Canon is bound to have a D70-killer ready to go.

I would like to see the 100-400 L upgraded - longer, faster, both? It is also overdue for weather-sealing.

Any chance that the first 'high-end' EF-S lens will be announced at PMA? Canon has already acknowledged that they are coming.
Perhaps we can get this added as a 'sticky.' In any case:

Have Fun,

iwatkins

14th of January 2005 (Fri), 15:52

OK, I'll go for a Canon made "digital wallet". Nikon has their CoolWalker so wouldn't be surprised to see Canon do one.

Will also suggest another diffractive optics lens.

Ian

Tom W

14th of January 2005 (Fri), 16:13

OK, I'll go for a Canon made "digital wallet". Nikon has their CoolWalker so wouldn't be surprised to see Canon do one.

Will also suggest another diffractive optics lens.

Ian

If Canon made a digital wallet, mine would be empty. They already cleaned out my leather wallet. :)

CyberDyneSystems

14th of January 2005 (Fri), 16:21

Rebel replacemnt.. indeed makes sense.. if so.. probably using the 20D's 8MP sensor.. (like the 300D and 10D with the same 6MP)

I too would love to see the 100-400mm updated.. but I doubt it will happen :(

Recntly I have read in a few places the idea of the introduction of the "first" high end EFS lens...

Well to my mind,.. it would be the second high end EFS...
...the 10-22mm EFS is a pricey item who's design inncoporates three aspheric and UD glass elements (like "L" wides)

Essentially ... To me that lens is as high end as it is going to get for EFS.

Just my gut reaction. Why would Canon make a more pricey offering in a lens that won't fit on there pricey cameras? EFS is there "affordable" cameras.

More funky zooms that are really wide at the wide end that no one really wants which may or may not be EFS. (like Sigma seems to be rolling out a new design for every other week)

Another wizzbang accesory that costs too much like the Wireless rig for the MkII's

Tom W

14th of January 2005 (Fri), 16:22

As far as PMA, here's what I expect:

New Rebel, as Rick mentioned.
Upgrade to the 100-400L - its a workhorse, but it needs to stay at the top of its class.
Something new with DO.
200 mm f/2 IS L.

Now what I'd like to see (but probably won't):
Upgraded 50/1.4 with ring-type USM. Maybe even an f/1.2L version.
Improvements to the 28/1.8 (it is roughly a "normal lens" on the 1.6 body).
24-80 mm f/4L
17 or 18 mm f/2L with extended infinity focus to go with:
A tilt/shift adapter for EF-S mount to use the 17 or 18 mm full-frame lens as a tilt/shift on EF-S cameras.

OK, the last one is 'way out there', but why not? The full-frame lens has a large-enough image circle to allow some tilt/shift functions on 1.6X cameras. And Canon needs a fast ultra-wide lens with low distortion (a must for tilt-shift anyway) before everybody goes out and buys the Contax Zeiss Distagon 21 mm lens.

sdommin

14th of January 2005 (Fri), 19:01

I'm predicting the Pro-2. Don't know how it will look or what it will have, but it's time for Canon's next compact digicam!

Tom W

14th of January 2005 (Fri), 19:29

I'm predicting the Pro-2. Don't know how it will look or what it will have, but it's time for Canon's next compact digicam!

And it had better be able to produce useable images at 400+ ISO!

Vegas Poboy

14th of January 2005 (Fri), 19:40

I visited the Canon booth @ the CES all was quiet except the printers is a big push but I do expect the wireless unit to be in full operation. They already said it will be 20D friendly with another firmware update & the Cost is $1000.00.

Longwatcher

14th of January 2005 (Fri), 22:35

My guesses are two new lenses and a new high end P&S (ala pro-1 style)
As to rebel upgrade I neither bet for or against, but lean slightly against.

My hope for a new lens would be a 200-500/2.8L IS that comes in under $2k (wouldn't be high on my list to buy, but I would be thinking about it)
Or with my luck since I just bought the TS-E 24/3.5L they will come out with a TS-E 24/2.8L

Those are my guesses other then actually showing up with some new gadgets like maybe GPS for the 1D, 20D series cameras.

CoolToolGuy

15th of January 2005 (Sat), 05:21

Longwatcher, the 200-500 L would be just what I am looking for, but at f/2.8 it would be such a monster (in size as well as price) that I just don't see it. Now, if it were f/4...

Have Fun,

Tom W

15th of January 2005 (Sat), 10:40

Even at f/4, I would think that a 200-500 might be one big honkin' lens! I'd settle for f/5.6 and IS if it were a direct replacement for the 100-400. Maybe a 125-500 would be better.

jaypie77

15th of January 2005 (Sat), 11:41

Why is everybody so certain that a new 300D (320D, 400D, mkii) will be released?

CoolToolGuy

15th of January 2005 (Sat), 15:20

Why is everybody so certain that a new 300D (320D, 400D, mkii) will be released?The 300D is a consumer-oriented product (not targeted to professionals), and it has been out through 2 Christmas seasons (the biggest sale time of the year). While we Canon freaks like it immensely, the Ni*on D70 is pretty good competition, and the new Minolta and Olympus DSLRs are out. Canon cannot rest on its laurels - they must provide fresh product to stay in the lead.

The writing is on the wall - the black model was released to put a little life into an aging model, and the rebates are there to get some interest and clear out the inventories.

Another 2 cents...

Have Fun,

ilya

15th of January 2005 (Sat), 15:47

big selling point on the rebel (for those in the know) is hackability. will the successor be hackproof?

Pugdaddy

17th of January 2005 (Mon), 21:36

I wish they'd put a bigger LCD screen on the S1 IS (1.5" now). I'd buy it. Another Mp wouldn't hurt, either (it's 3 now).

fslshooter

17th of January 2005 (Mon), 22:13

I'd love to see a replacement for the 200mm f1.8L but I doubt that it'll happen.

CyberDyneSystems

17th of January 2005 (Mon), 22:46

I'd love to see a replacement for the 200mm f1.8L but I doubt that it'll happen.

Man I Don't!

The value of mine has gone up about $700.00-$900.00 since I got it in August 2004....
This is due completely to demand Vs. short supply.

If a replacement comes out? :(

:lol:

JK

RichardtheSane

18th of January 2005 (Tue), 13:03

If a replacement comes out? :(

It will cost a bloody fortune and yours will still be worth a packet
:)

Tom W

18th of January 2005 (Tue), 22:51

OK, there's two new unfounded rumors floating around on DPR - One is that Canon has stopped production on the 1D Mk II, and the other is that Canon has stopped production of the 85 mm f/1.2L.

Just thought I'd pass them onto this thread to get the PMA juices flowing a bit. :)

CyberDyneSystems

18th of January 2005 (Tue), 22:55

1D MII is a joke..

the 85mm is a valid threat after Cnon set the mood with the discontinuation of the 200mm f/1.8.. ... but I doubt it.. It still sells quite well I would think.

CoolToolGuy

21st of January 2005 (Fri), 20:47

The new A510 is a 'pre-PMA' announcement. Interesting that they reduced it to using 2 AA batteries but still quote a long life (in number of shots). The other interesting items are the switch to SD cards and the add-on slave flash.

I like the A series - my wife and daughter each have one, and for general snapshots it is a great little camera. I have carried it, and it will fit in a pants pocket without much trouble. I wonder if the rest of the range will be upgraded at PMA as well?

Have Fun,

Tom W

25th of January 2005 (Tue), 18:22

Latest word from the usual suspects is that the next 300D will be the 350D, with 8 megapixels (no surprise there). Its due for release in 2 weeks.

I'll not wager on it yet. ;)

tim

25th of January 2005 (Tue), 19:03

I heard the same, Tom.

Tom W

28th of January 2005 (Fri), 08:57

This just in from DPR's rumor factory:

I work for a larger electronics chain, and this morning saw an entry for a new model, that had been given a stock number

The description line read "Digital Rebel XT(s) w/18-55 kit"

The price was set at $999.99

The UPC code was 013803049626

I hope this helps.. I will tell you more as I hear it!

JP

Looks like the 350D has a US name now.

PacAce

28th of January 2005 (Fri), 10:32

This just in from DPR's rumor factory:

Looks like the 350D has a US name now.

Does this mean anything?

http://www.upcdatabase.com/item.pl?upc=013803049626

CyberDyneSystems

28th of January 2005 (Fri), 10:36

I ra that UPC through my koolkat scanner from radio shack...

It came up "Kraft Macaroni and Cheese" :lol:

PacAce

28th of January 2005 (Fri), 10:40

I ra that UPC through my koolkat scanner from radio shack...

It came up "Kraft Macaroni and Cheese" :lol:
But look at all the other products Canon has out already (or will have out?):

http://www.upcdatabase.com/list.pl?type=mfr&which=013803&skip=120&howmany=20

PacAce

28th of January 2005 (Fri), 10:44

Or maybe these are not specifically Canon assigned product codes but store or distributor assigned product codes? Maybe they don't mean anything since the list doesn't contain all the Canon products unless they're going by several manufacturer codes.

PacAce

28th of January 2005 (Fri), 10:47

I ra that UPC through my koolkat scanner from radio shack...

It came up "Kraft Macaroni and Cheese" :lol:

OK, CDS, did I get taken here? Was this a tongue-in-cheek humor? :confused: If it was, I missed it the first time. :rolleyes: :mrgreen:

CyberDyneSystems

28th of January 2005 (Fri), 11:20

... you were taken BIG TIME :) :lol: :lol:

//sorry ;)

Nice bit of detective work though on the UPC codes.. thats certainly convincing! :shock:

Looks like a definate now...

8MP digital Rebles... cool.

Tom W

28th of January 2005 (Fri), 11:36

I ra that UPC through my koolkat scanner from radio shack...

It came up "Kraft Macaroni and Cheese" :lol:

That's the result I get whenever I run a white lens UPC through the scanner. Its what's for dinner - on alternate days, when I'm not having Ramen soup. :)

Medic1

28th of January 2005 (Fri), 15:02

any guesses on the price of the 350D? with a half decent kit lens (excuse my great white north pricing, eh!) I'm thinking maybe $1600-$1700 CDN

Tom W

28th of January 2005 (Fri), 15:08

The rumor I saw said $999 US with the 18-50 kit lens. I don't know exactly how that translates into Canadian dollars right now.

gramps

28th of January 2005 (Fri), 15:17

I know one rumor that is a fact...........if Canon comes out with much more new stuff my credit card will melt.

wibbly

28th of January 2005 (Fri), 15:54

Well, it's going to be exciting. Nikon have trashed the price of their D2H, and my local dept store (in UK) has the D70 at a promo 'stock clearance' price. One would have thought it was a good seller...

Then again, 2+2=5 often in these cases, and for this dept store the 20D is on show, but only to 'special' order...

CyberDyneSystems

28th of January 2005 (Fri), 22:45

So,. do you think the new 8MP rebel will have the 20D's eraser head and 9 point AF?

Scottes

28th of January 2005 (Fri), 22:50

So,. do you think the new 8MP rebel will have the 20D's eraser head and 9 point AF?

I just hope it takes movies so I can upgrade my 20D. I got ripped off with this thing.

kb244

28th of January 2005 (Fri), 23:09

So,. do you think the new 8MP rebel will have the 20D's eraser head and 9 point AF?

Not likely at all, Canon's gota keep some reasons round for the 20D to be worthwhile, my guess would be the 9point AF, 5fps shutter, larger buffer, and some other items wont be on the new rebel.

pcasciola

28th of January 2005 (Fri), 23:23

Here's my guesses:

400D
1D Mk III
200mm f/2L IS
100-300mm f/2.8L IS or 100-400mm f/4L IS

kb244

29th of January 2005 (Sat), 01:06

already 350D for sure, just dont know specs.
Cant be a 1D Mk III way too early in the game, Mk2 quite young still, check again next year
200mm f/2L IS ( maybe )
last one, I though they already had.

Tom W

29th of January 2005 (Sat), 09:46

The 1-series film bodies will get E-TTL II. Maybe a couple of other bells and whistles. Not much R&D on the film side these days.

CoolToolGuy

29th of January 2005 (Sat), 14:09

I have a feeling the 20mm f2.8 and the 28mm f1.8 will be upgraded to 'L' primes - perhaps a 20mm f1.4L and a 28mm f1.4L. 28mm is the 'normal' lens for a 1.6 frame size, and 20mm gives the same AOV as a 35mm in the full-frame world, so as the pendulum swings to digital I think Canon will adjust the lens offerings to accomodate 1.6. They are in on the triple rebates, and that could be to clear them out. The 85mm f1.8 is on that list as well, so I wonder if it is about to be replaced.

Have Fun,

Medic1

29th of January 2005 (Sat), 17:21

The rumor I saw said $999 US with the 18-50 kit lens. I don't know exactly how that translates into Canadian dollars right now.

That'd be about $1700 Canadian, maybe a little less with the dollar so high right now. Good news for Canon.......I find alot of people who are just starting out are opting for the D70 now.....not to say that its not a good camera because it is....I am just a Canon fan

CoolToolGuy

1st of February 2005 (Tue), 10:33

The pre-announcements continue...

http://www.usa.canon.com/html/CIWPRList.jsp?a=b

This is another upgrade to the 'A' series, with 4MP, 4x zoom, etc.

Three weeks to go - I wonder when more EOS intros will leak out?

Have Fun,

demarco36

4th of February 2005 (Fri), 14:20

CoolToolGuy

4th of February 2005 (Fri), 14:39

Hello, I am new to this posting deal as well as to the PMA. In fact I just heard about that. I was about to buy a digital rebel when the guy at the counter told me that there canon rep told him about a new Digital Rebel coming out. My question is if they unveil this thing at the show how long will it be before it is available for purchase? Thanks for any info.

Usually when Canon announces a new product - especially a consumer-oriented camera like the Drebel - they ship within a short time. It may be a month, it might be less. Some stores already have the UPC in their computers, so I'm thinking it won't be long.

Hope this helps.

Have Fun,

pradeep1

6th of February 2005 (Sun), 05:39

The rumor I saw said $999 US with the 18-50 kit lens. I don't know exactly how that translates into Canadian dollars right now.

$999 US ~ $1250 CANADIAN :D You got it better than you realize! Of course, this is a direct conversion using 2/6/2005 forex rates, but Canon Canada might try to price it higher for you guys.

I figure over the pond in Europe, the pricing will be 999 quid, which would make that $1873 US and a whopping $2340 Canadian! Poor saps. That's the price the pay for their good weather and hot women. :cool:

pradeep1

6th of February 2005 (Sun), 05:46

Usually when Canon announces a new product - especially a consumer-oriented camera like the Drebel - they ship within a short time. It may be a month, it might be less. Some stores already have the UPC in their computers, so I'm thinking it won't be long.

Hope this helps.

Have Fun,

The PMA show is 20-23 of February. You'll see leaked pictures by the 14th or 15th and have a formal announcement by the 18th. That's my guess from previous times. :p

pradeep1

6th of February 2005 (Sun), 05:52

The 1-series film bodies will get E-TTL II. Maybe a couple of other bells and whistles. Not much R&D on the film side these days.

Even though we don't have the advancements in film like we used to the past, it is still nice to see that the major manufacturers are supporting film and actually bringing out new bodies in both the consumer and pro lines. I do see a lot of the design and R&D of the digital SLRs trickling down the film Elan 7N and the Rebel T2.

Tom W

6th of February 2005 (Sun), 09:39

3D rumor. I have absolutely no idea if it is true or not. :)

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/180460/0#1466542

CyberDyneSystems

6th of February 2005 (Sun), 09:53

C-mon guys...

Three pages and no mention of the perenial mythical EOS-3 Digital??

Were sleeping on the job here! This mythical beast has been the stuff of forum rumor since the D30 and 1D were on store shelves...

We can't have forgotten our "Rumor Roots"

O-kay here it stright from my Rumor source in Japan.

The EOS-3 Digital will be 11 Megapixels on a 1.6X crop factor.
It willl have the features of the EOS 3 film body,. and an intersting mix of 1 series and 20D series menus...

Otherwise expect an EOS 3 in digital with a price tag of about $2,000.00

kb244

6th of February 2005 (Sun), 10:00

market wise that wouldnt seem to make sense, its like hrm, spend 2,000$ on an 11megapixels with 1.6x crop factor, or spend close to 2,000$ more on 8 megapixels with 1.3x crop factor? Or remove the crop factor part all together. I dont really feel that canon going to make anything between their High Ends ( 30D -> 60D -> 10D -> 20D ), and their Professional lines (1D/1Ds/etc), the high is keeps it under 2,000$ so that any semi-pros or ethusiast can get into it easy, and might get 'hooked' and then the price range of the pro line for the serious photographers that can cough up that kind of money ( or a rich amature, either way its not as large as the highend and lower market ).

CyberDyneSystems

6th of February 2005 (Sun), 10:41

I agree,. sounds like more wishfull thinking.

The "3D" has remained the ,ost rumored Canon product for years.. I was just shocked it didn't make the cut this year,.

the other perrenials are the "new" 100-400mm and the "IS" 400mm f/5.6,.. and of course the 200mm f/1.8 is brought back to life every six months or so via the rumor mill.

Still,. rumors are rumors,.. ;) And if the 3D does get announced this time,. I'll get to say I predicted it! :lol: :lol:

roanjohn

7th of February 2005 (Mon), 14:58

My predictions:

Canon Rebel Mark II. 8 megapixel. 3.5 fps. instant start-up. 30-1/4000 tv. 1/250 flash sync. (These specs are still not up to par with the D70)!!! I hope Canon will just go ahead and put all the features in this cam, i.e. selectable metering and focus mode.

450 EX - a smaller version of the 580 EX with ettl II.

24-75 f4 L :-p Why not?? The other f4 L zooms are very popular.

Some other EF-S lenses........

Wish list:

50 f1.2 L CANON, MAKE THIS LENS NOW!!!
100-300 f4 L (maybe not as this will compete with the 70-200 f4L).

Bodog

12th of February 2005 (Sat), 23:54

Man, from the lack of rumors, doesn't look like Canon is showing anything new this year... isn't the show next week? :confused:

Tom W

13th of February 2005 (Sun), 16:55

Well, Sigma has made some announcements, among them, an 18-200 DC lens, a 10-20 DC HSM lens, and this little gem:

http://www.pma-show.com/sigma/002_30_F1.4_ex_dc_lens.html

That's right, a 30 mm f/1.4 DC lens.
Note that DC lenses are made for the 1.5X and 1.6X sensors, and will vignette heavily on larger sensors.

CoolToolGuy

13th of February 2005 (Sun), 19:29

This is perhaps wishful thinking, but I'm thinking that Canon may announce a new 28mm and a new 20mm at PMA. My thoughts are that they were both included in the rebate that just ended, and that was because Canon wanted to clear them out.

A 28mm is a 'normal' lens for a 1.6 camera, and an f1.4 would be a good move - the 28mm f1.8 gets mixed reviews. And a 20mm has the angle of view of a 35mm (full frame), so an f1.4 lens would be a good move there as well - from the existing f2.8.

To see Sigma playing in the 'fast' 30mm market sort of stokes that fire.

We shall see later this week...

Have Fun,

Tom W

13th of February 2005 (Sun), 19:42

Yes - the 30 mm f/1.4 on Sigma's part was a smart move. Canon and Nikon have to respond (and may already have things in the works as you say).

As far as the fast 20, I'd prefer a fast 18 mm or something like that. 20 is kind-of close to 24, and Canon has a very good performing lens at that point.

I agree about the 28/1.8. Its a decent lens as far as build quality, of the same mold as the 85 f/1.8 and the 28-105 f/3.5-4.5. Not quite L, but well above kit. It does get a little less than stellar reviews though. If it performed like the 85, it would be a big winner.

FlyingPete

13th of February 2005 (Sun), 21:29

This one here caught my eye:
Sigma APO 300-800mm F5.6 EX DG, now thats a zoom!

CyberDyneSystems

13th of February 2005 (Sun), 21:45

Pete,. that ones been around for years actually,. they seem to be adding the letters "DG"

FlyingPete

13th of February 2005 (Sun), 21:49

Pete,. that ones been around for years actually,. they seem to be adding the letters "DG"

Ah hence the one line only mention. Thought it was more news worthy than that.

BTW what does the "DG" mean? Is is better glass, motors, quality in general?

CyberDyneSystems

13th of February 2005 (Sun), 22:59

To the best of our understanding originally Sigma was putting DG on newer lenses that were being designed "with digital in mind" however whether this meant anything two yars ago mkaes no differnce as now they are simply adding it to any lens that they want to in there line up to give it a "new spin" they are not in fact actually changing the lenses,. they are only adding the DG moniker,. this is in direct marketing compititon with Tamron and Tokina,. these three companies together are apperently realizing some success by sticking more and more letters on there lenses to make them look spiffier ;)

Check out that 300-800mm though,. it is absolutley one of the most beastly lenses ever designed,. and a real favorite of some serious birders. I'd love to get my hands on one!

Canuck

14th of February 2005 (Mon), 01:08

Check out that 300-800mm though,. it is absolutley one of the most beastly lenses ever designed,. and a real favorite of some serious birders. I'd love to get my hands on one!

CDS,
If the Monster Bigma 300-800 is anything like the Sigma 120-300 you should be in for one hell of a treat! I know you have that monster 500mm too. Imagine the reach and for $4500, Canon can't even begin to touch that at that price! If I ever start making some serious $$$, the 300-800 is in the bag. I will also need a sturdier tripod. It weigh almost 13 lbs!

Canuck

14th of February 2005 (Mon), 01:32

I forgot...I am hoping for a Pixma 13x19 printer, possibly bigger!

Tom W

14th of February 2005 (Mon), 04:13

How about a 20Da, anybody?

http://cweb.canon.jp/camera/eosd/20da/index.html

CoolToolGuy

14th of February 2005 (Mon), 07:10

How about a 20Da, anybody?

http://cweb.canon.jp/camera/eosd/20da/index.html

Well, Back To The Future with a pellicle mirror. Canon trots out another innovation using 40-year-old technology. The Pellix was out in the mid-'60s. Look here:
http://www.canon.com/camera-museum/camera/f_camera.html

Take that, Olympus!

Have Fun,

FlyingPete

14th of February 2005 (Mon), 13:16

How about a 20Da, anybody?

http://cweb.canon.jp/camera/eosd/20da/index.html

Hmmmm that some seems to be targeted at astronomers, even has a 'live preview' function via the LCD!

From Googles translator:
Digital, regardless of the silver salt, when the single-lens reflex camera has the quick return mirror inside, pushes the shutter button, this mirror leaps and rises, has become the mechanism which the shutter opens. With the EOS 20Da you kept in a state where the mirror is lifted, live image of the image pickup element the enlargement color it can be indicated to the liquid crystal monitor loaded " live view mode ". Because of this, with just the finder it is possible to do the focus adjusting with the manual whose fine control is difficult more accurately.

Tom W

14th of February 2005 (Mon), 17:30

So here we are - 18 hours into the 14th day of February and no big Canon announcement. Perhaps the rumors were wrong.

Mogwyth

16th of February 2005 (Wed), 18:24

At least thats what this site says http://www.planet-image.com. Plus other supposed new models.

Just found this Rebel xt http://www.livingroom.org.au/photolog/reviews/canon/canon_rebel_xt.php

Tom W

16th of February 2005 (Wed), 19:08

And here's the link to YOUR thread on the new Rebel XT, Mogwyth!

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?p=415443&posted=1#post415443

Tom W

16th of February 2005 (Wed), 19:32

CoolToolGuy

16th of February 2005 (Wed), 19:38

So this looks real enough...

I see a new version of the EF-S 18-55 as well as a new EF-S 60mm Macro lens.

Lots of improvements: 3 FPS for 14 frames, USB 2.0, fast writing to the card, DIGIC II, quick startup, AI Servo and AI Focus, mirror lock-up, second curtain synch, and a new battery (NB-2LH).

The new battery is curious - is this the new battery for the consumer and prosumer DSLRs? Is it compatible with the BP-511? Hmmm...

Well, I guess the cat is out of the bag now. So what is next?

Have Fun,

CoolToolGuy

16th of February 2005 (Wed), 19:42

Just to keep this thread up-to-date, besides the Rebel XT or XD or whatever it is (and it looks very good), there is mention of a new EF-S 60 mm f/2.8 MACRO lens. There's also mention of over 60 Canon EF and EF-S lenses, indicating that there may be a couple of other new lenses out there.

I've still got my fingers crossed for something wide and fast...

Its possible that the 60 EF lenses include discontinued models, poking at Ni*on with their many different lens protocols.

I guess we'll wait and see...

Have Fun,

CyberDyneSystems

16th of February 2005 (Wed), 19:47

CoolToolGuy

16th of February 2005 (Wed), 19:56

Canon had "over fifty" lenses in there line up some time BEFORE the first EFS lens was introduced with the Rebel,. with the other new EFS lenses announced a few months ago,. I'd say that all told,. they only needed one or two more to push us over the 60 marker. So Probably that 60mm macro is the push over the edge?

Oops, my bad - I count 58 lenses on the Canon USA Web site, so a few new ones would put them over the edge.

Although - there are a couple lenses that aren't available in the USA (90-300 with a plastic mount comes to mind), so I wonder if they are counting them as well.

Have Fun,

Tom W

16th of February 2005 (Wed), 20:06

Frankly, I wish they'd dump about 3 of those 28-80 or 28-90 cheapo lenses and give us something with a wider wide end. 28 isn't as wide as it used to be. :)

CoolToolGuy

16th of February 2005 (Wed), 20:22

Frankly, I wish they'd dump about 3 of those 28-80 or 28-90 cheapo lenses and give us something with a wider wide end. 28 isn't as wide as it used to be. :)

I'll bet it won't be long before some of those 'film' lenses disappear from the catalog. They are mostly cheap standard zooms that come with the film Rebels. The shift to lengths that are optimized for 1.6 bodies should be coming soon. Perhaps next week...

Have Fun,

Tom W

16th of February 2005 (Wed), 20:30

I'll bet it won't be long before some of those 'film' lenses disappear from the catalog. They are mostly cheap standard zooms that come with the film Rebels. The shift to lengths that are optimized for 1.6 bodies should be coming soon. Perhaps next week...

Have Fun,

Well, they still don't need so many different ones that are so similar. Canon has 4 lenses in the "cheap consumer zoom kit lens" range, according to my Lensworks III book. I say dump 3 of them and keep the best of the lot (there does need to be the entry-level lens).

I'm apprehensive but also excited over what Canon's going to unveil next. I see a couple more lenses, probably a replacement zoom in the mid-range, and some kind of DO lens. And did I mention that I'm looking for a fast, wide prime? :)

mbze430

16th of February 2005 (Wed), 21:06

Here are my wishful thinking.

9mm-17mm f/2L or f/2.8L
50mm f/1.2L
18mm or 20mm f/1.4L
30mm f/1.4L
200mm f/2 or faster.
Add IS to 400mm f/5.6L
100mm or 135mm Macro with 5:1
70-300mm f/2.8 IS and Non-IS NOT DO but regular UD

EF-S L series would a welcoming, but personally I would have to skip them since I still shoot film and need regular mounts.

pradeep1

17th of February 2005 (Thu), 14:27

The PMA show is 20-23 of February. You'll see leaked pictures by the 14th or 15th and have a formal announcement by the 18th. That's my guess from previous times. :p

Did I call it or what? :D :D

Tom W

17th of February 2005 (Thu), 14:51

Longwatcher

17th of February 2005 (Thu), 16:11

Just for trivia, my 13 Feb 2004 list had 58 lenses on it. MY Feb 2005 list is at home.
I know they added the EF-s; 10-22, 17-85, and now 60mm macro so that makes 61 lenses that are active in their line up. Not including extenders, tubes and converters.

CoolToolGuy

17th of February 2005 (Thu), 16:21

Here's the press release for the DreXT from Canon USA:

http://www.usa.canon.com/templateda...050217_rxt.html (http://www.usa.canon.com/templatedata/pressrelease/20050217_rxt.html)

Interesting, it says the original Drebel will remain available with the kit lens for $799 USD.
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This is a general press release with several products to be introduced at PMA:

http://www.usa.canon.com/templateda...7_overview.html (http://www.usa.canon.com/templatedata/pressrelease/20050217_overview.html)
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Here's the release on the EF-S 60mm Macro (street price $449 USD):

http://www.usa.canon.com/templateda...0217_efs60.html (http://www.usa.canon.com/templatedata/pressrelease/20050217_efs60.html)
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So now Canon has a DSLR kit at $800 as well as one at $1000. Sounds like a plan to gain market share and get new folks into the fold. Some have said how much better the D70 is than the Drebel, but a low price talks in the consumer market.

Have Fun,

Tom W

17th of February 2005 (Thu), 16:58

CoolToolGuy

17th of February 2005 (Thu), 17:45

Interesting wrinkle from Olympus - they have announced two new zooms for the four-thirds format with a constant aperture of f2.0. Interesting - Canon has not gone below f2.8.

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0502/05021712oly_3new43lenses.asp

A new challenge for Canon - fast zooms! ;) Faster than 'L'! :lol:

Have Fun,

CoolToolGuy

17th of February 2005 (Thu), 20:32

The Canon USA Web site is all updated now.

http://consumer.usa.canon.com/ir/controller?act=ProductCatIndexAct&fcategoryid=111

Have Fun,

CoolToolGuy

20th of February 2005 (Sun), 02:17

The reports from PMA are starting to trickle in now. Stay tuned...

Have Fun,

CoolToolGuy

20th of February 2005 (Sun), 07:18

Dpreview has some samples from the DreXT:

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0502/05022001canon350dsamples.asp

Have Fun,

CoolToolGuy

20th of February 2005 (Sun), 14:53

Here are some shots from the Canon booth:

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/pma2005/Canon/

The DreXT is causing the biggest buzz of the show - Go Canon! :)

But no new lenses other than the EF-S 60mm Macro :cry: - yet.

Have Fun,

CoolToolGuy

20th of February 2005 (Sun), 15:33

Some shots of the new Sigma lenses.

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/pma2005/Sigma/

Some shots of the Leica booth with the 'digital back' - $4995

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/pma2005/Leica/

Geez, $5K plus your own Leica R body - then Leica lenses - and we thought a '1' series and 'L' glass was expensive...

Have Fun,

CoolToolGuy

22nd of February 2005 (Tue), 11:58

The latest from no less than David Ritz, whose camera stores bear his name (no, not 'David Camera Centers'):

David Ritz, who runs the 1,200-store Ritz Camera Centers, says SLR cameras are the hot category "because they take such better pictures. Point-and-shoots are fun to tote around, but with an SLR, the picture is brighter and crisper."

So there you go, it must be true that a DSLR takes a better picture - if Ritz says so, it must be true! :rolleyes: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Here's the whole article:
http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/technology/2005-02-21-photo-usat_x.htm

Just another note - HP now has a nine-color printer, but in typical HP fashion it uses one cartridge. Just shows that HP is not in the printer business, they're in the ink business. :confused:

Have Fun,

Bodog

22nd of February 2005 (Tue), 16:12

Wow, is it just the photo? That 30 f1.4 Sigma looks as big as the Canon 50 f1.0

eac706

23rd of February 2005 (Wed), 08:48

Any news regarding a 20D replacement? When or what to expect specs wise?

Jon

23rd of February 2005 (Wed), 08:53

C'mon. The 20D hasn't been out 6 months yet, and the 10D before it was out for about 18. Unless Nikon starts to push Canon, I don't see a successor model before 2006. They might go up to 10-12 MP, not that there's a pressing need to, but the most likely improvements will be in speed, power consumption and noise at high ISO.

Andy_T

23rd of February 2005 (Wed), 09:01

OK.

Any news on the 1Ds MK III yet?

Now that the 1Ds MKII has finally been anounced, the replacement can only be months away :rolleyes:

Just kidding of course.
But this was my first thought when I saw this thread.

Best regards,
Andy

eac706

23rd of February 2005 (Wed), 09:08

I wouldn`t be surprised that by the end of this year there will be a replacment. Probably with a 1.3 crop factor.

HKFEVER

23rd of February 2005 (Wed), 09:18

Yes, new lenses. I just came back from Canon service centre, the tech., ass. manager and some CPS member is talking about new lenses are coming in this summer. But I did not hear the detail.

The tech. told the CPS member hold on don't buy any lenses and just wait for this summer and you will see couple new lenses. And the manager joined in to continue talking about new lenses.

gramps

23rd of February 2005 (Wed), 09:20

how about a 70 - 200 1.8?

DaveG

23rd of February 2005 (Wed), 09:24

I wouldn`t be surprised that by the end of this year there will be a replacment. Probably with a 1.3 crop factor.

I would on both points. Based on everything Canon has done over the last four yeas I'd say that a replacement for the Mark II and the S Mark II is going to be announced about 18 months from now.

Canon has also said that they will discontinue the 1.3 crop after this generation of the 1D's. I think that they only included it this time in order to get have enough buffer space (from the smaller 8MP 1.3 files) to let pro sports shooters do their thing.

If this turns out to be true, imagine a 22MP+ full frame camera with the same or better per shot buffer than the 1D Mark II. It'll also have to be priced at the Mark II point or lower. It also makes sense as Canon will have an economy of scale which should make their production run cheaper.

By the way has anyone noticed that Canon has no zoom lens that gets the 1.3 shooter as wide as the 1.6 shooter gets with the 10-22? If Canon had long term plans to retain the 1.3 cameras I think that they would address that issue.

Mike Panic

23rd of February 2005 (Wed), 09:32

are you guys serious about this thread?

first... don't expect a replacement for at least 12-16 months

next, don't expect a 1.3x crop on a the entry level dslr's from canon for several years... if there intention was to do so, they would not keep rolling out ef-s mount lenses, most recently the 60mm macro... count on the 1.6x crop to be w/ the lower end canon's for some time to come

no offense to anyone here, but i truely hate these speculation type threads

Andy_T

23rd of February 2005 (Wed), 09:39

I wouldn`t be surprised that by the end of this year there will be a replacment. Probably with a 1.3 crop factor.

Well, if this is what you think, February 23 sure is the right date to ask for more information on it :twisted:

So ... here's the info:

Canon 30D
To be released early 2006
10 MP sensor
1.6 crop factor
6.5 FPS

However, I am not allowed to tell you who my source is.
Let's just say I used my L crystal ball :lol:

Best regards,
Andy

jbradc

23rd of February 2005 (Wed), 09:43

pierrot

23rd of February 2005 (Wed), 09:45

Ha ha, I see we have guys around there with a nice pair of L crystal balls :D

Tom W

23rd of February 2005 (Wed), 09:48

Good news - I hope its true!

jbradc

23rd of February 2005 (Wed), 09:54

I just hope we see some new EF lenses, enough EF-S for a while :-). How about a ~12-24 F2.8 L?

HKFEVER

23rd of February 2005 (Wed), 09:58

Good news - I hope its true!

I am crossing my fingers, I guess they won't just say it to their own CPS member.

Tom W

23rd of February 2005 (Wed), 10:03

I would on both points. Based on everything Canon has done over the last four yeas I'd say that a replacement for the Mark II and the S Mark II is going to be announced about 18 months from now.

Canon has also said that they will discontinue the 1.3 crop after this generation of the 1D's. I think that they only included it this time in order to get have enough buffer space (from the smaller 8MP 1.3 files) to let pro sports shooters do their thing.

Well, that's not exactly what they said. They are planning to merge the 1 series in the future, but they also stated that there would be 3 levels of cameras. Whether one of these ends up as a 1.3X or not is questionable. Being a 1.3X shooter, I would hope that they keep the format, but I am but one voice to Canon - and a small one at that. :)

If this turns out to be true, imagine a 22MP+ full frame camera with the same or better per shot buffer than the 1D Mark II. It'll also have to be priced at the Mark II point or lower. It also makes sense as Canon will have an economy of scale which should make their production run cheaper.

I see that coming in a couple of years!

By the way has anyone noticed that Canon has no zoom lens that gets the 1.3 shooter as wide as the 1.6 shooter gets with the 10-22? If Canon had long term plans to retain the 1.3 cameras I think that they would address that issue.

Form follows function, at least on the pro side of things. The 1D & 1D Mk II are the sports cameras. Their function has been more associated with very long lenses than with ultra-wide. I think that if Canon splits their lineup so that the 1.3 occupies the intermediate range, then a new ultra-wide lens might appear. I don't think there would be a separate mount for it though - it would be a full-frame lens that would serve a more useful function on the 1.3 than on the full-frame sensor, but still be compatible.

Maybe the 14 mm f/2.8 is that lens. ;)

jaypie77

23rd of February 2005 (Wed), 10:05

400mm F/1.0?

Tom W

23rd of February 2005 (Wed), 10:07

I am crossing my fingers, I guess they won't just say it to their own CPS member.

When I talk to tech support in New Jersey today or tomorrow, I'll sneak the question in. :)

Jon

23rd of February 2005 (Wed), 10:08

400mm F/1.0?

With its own integral tripod or dolly, I hope!

HKFEVER

23rd of February 2005 (Wed), 10:11

With its own integral tripod or dolly, I hope!

Can't afford it, no way. Should ask Canon to have full color night vision lens then.

who me?

23rd of February 2005 (Wed), 10:13

But if new lenses are coming this summer, don't you think they would have been announced at the PMA??? You would think that Canon would use the PMA as a vehicle to announce new lenses to get a greater industry exposure that leads to the buzz through the internet and so on...
I hope it is true but I am not holding my breath... sorry, just in a pessimistic mood today.

Mike Panic

23rd of February 2005 (Wed), 10:15

The next body to get updated/replaced will be the 1d Mark II. It is now the oldest digital body in canon's line up and they have got to something more to justify the price vs. the 20D. You can buy 3 20D's for the price of a 1D mkII, sure it's faster and better built but the 20D is hurting sales of the 1D mkII, that is why you see it discounted now ($3999.99 at B&H, it was $4500.00). So if you want a 20D get it, it's not going to be discontinued any time soon.

your reasoning makes no sense.. you can buy 2 1dmkII's for a little more then the cost of a 1dsmkII

so what if you can buy 3 20d's for one 1dmkII - they are totally differant camrea's!!!!!

one is built off a pro body w/ pro functions, the other is built off a consumer body (elan 7) w/ some advanced consumer functions... there will always be a gap between the consumer style dslr's and the pro ones... just like there is between a film rebel body and an eos 1 film body

Tom W

23rd of February 2005 (Wed), 10:17

I can buy 10 Rebel GII film cameras for the price of one 20D.

jbradc

23rd of February 2005 (Wed), 10:25

your reasoning makes no sense.. you can buy 2 1dmkII's for a little more then the cost of a 1dsmkII

so what if you can buy 3 20d's for one 1dmkII - they are totally differant camrea's!!!!!

one is built off a pro body w/ pro functions, the other is built off a consumer body (elan 7) w/ some advanced consumer functions... there will always be a gap between the consumer style dslr's and the pro ones... just like there is between a film rebel body and an eos 1 film body
My point is that there is a large price gap between the 20D and the 1D mkII and since they are both 8MP, the 20D is hurting sales of the 1D mk II. Yes they are very different cameras (pro body & 1.3 crop factor) but consumers look at bang for the buck and the 1D mkII is being discounted by retailers because sales have slowed since the 20D was released. And the fact is that it is the oldest digital body so it will most likely be the next to be replaced.

jbradc

23rd of February 2005 (Wed), 10:27

I can buy 10 Rebel GII film cameras for the price of one 20D.
So what? We are talking digital cameras here, I can buy 1000 calculators for the price of 1 laptop too but that is not relevant either.

Cadenza

23rd of February 2005 (Wed), 10:27

Ha ha, I see we have guys around there with a nice pair of L crystal balls :D

The Tamron crystal balls only cost a thrid
of the Ls, and the predictions they give are
virtually identical.

HKFEVER

23rd of February 2005 (Wed), 10:38

But if new lenses are coming this summer, don't you think they would have been announced at the PMA??? .

I have the same thought when I heard that, and the CPS member also ask the same question to the tech.. But the tech and the ass. manager just smile. Then they all knot they heads.

If they announced at the PMA, will you buy the current model or twait for the coming new lens model?

If they announced in the PMA, then I will wait and hold off the 100-400mm now and wait for the new model.

It is different from camera body. If you have camera body, you may upgrade it or buy new model. Because people can have many camera body. But for sure you need lenses anyway. But not too many will have over lap range in lenses.

Do you think so?

pehabe

23rd of February 2005 (Wed), 10:40

20D replacement?
Its called 20Da... ;)

Mike Mars

23rd of February 2005 (Wed), 10:41

Yes the 20D will be replaced next week - cos I just bought one! Seriously, the replacement will I think be at least a year away. But waiting for something better is a fool's game: there's always something new... so, buy the best you can, when you can and enjoy it.

Looking at my crystal balls... :) The competition is not close enough to the 20D yet, but I think a few more generations and the distance from Canon will narrow a lot - which is good for all of us. The 350D is I think aimed at the E300 area of the market but if good enough will subtract form the D70 etc too. They will likely respond with a clutch of 8MP dslrs. I hope someone breaks rank and does a 12MP.

jbradc

23rd of February 2005 (Wed), 10:48

...But waiting for something better is a fool's game: there's always something new... so, buy the best you can, when you can and enjoy it.

Very well said.

pierrot

23rd of February 2005 (Wed), 10:52

C'mon, buddies, it's time we hire a guy from Canon! ;)

CoolToolGuy

23rd of February 2005 (Wed), 11:19

I am bummed out at not hearing about any new lenses from PMA. The best reason I can think of for Canon to wait is to keep all the chatter at PMA about the DreXT. If they are introducing new lenses, especially 'L' lenses, the market will get the word anyway. This way all the talk is how the DreXT (and the Drebel for $799) will kick Ni*on's a$$.

At least I hope that's the reason and not that they don't have anything coming. :(

Have Fun,