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16th of October 2008 (Thu), 23:11
I would like some comments on these shots for the newlyweds. It was my first wedding shoot.
17th of October 2008 (Fri), 00:23
is the sun very glary?
might have to use a circular polariser?
17th of October 2008 (Fri), 10:27
First is very dark.did you use a process..perhaps Midnight on this one?
Second, the entire photo has an ornage yellow tinge to it.the WB wasn't set correectly I am thinking? I know you were facing the sun( another not so great idea:() This one needs a crop as well.too much taking away form the Bride and Groom.
17th of October 2008 (Fri), 14:06
In #1 the lighting is, for all practical purposes, a disaster.
In #2 you got a little better deal on the light, but the trick was to get into open shade somewhere, and that's where you failed. It looks like there was probably some open shade to the left and back a ways from where your subjects were standing. Open shade is easy to identify - it produces little or no shadow of your subject on the ground.
What is Open Shade, and How Does It Improve Outdoors Portraits?
Open shade is the shade created by a structure that blocks the direct rays of the sun but at the same time allows the bright sky itself to illuminate the subject.
Examples of Open Shade ---
Your subject is near enough to a large structure that he or she is completely in the shade of that structure. At the same time, there is little or no blocking of the open sky above the subject. In other words, if the subject were under a canopy or roof that blocks the sky, that would be shade but not "Open Shade".
What are the Advantages of Open Shade?
-- The fact that there are no direct rays of the sun falling on the subject means that there will be lower contrast light falling on the subject. The light that illuminates the subject will be from a large expanse of blue open sky and will be diffuse or soft, in comparison with the direct rays of the sun. The effect on the image will be that the facial shadows will be lighter or softer and more detailed, and the highlights will be softer and more detailed.
-- Portraits made in Open Shade will be less contrasty with softer shadows and with more detailed highlights rather than having deep black shadows in the eye sockets and under the chin and nose.
-- The subject will be able to pose without squinting.
-- There will usually be a background for the shot that is not white and blown out.
-- The camera's AutoExposure system is less likely to be confused by the extreme range of brightnesses in the scene and will be more likely to command a correct exposure.
What are the Disadvantages of Direct Sunlight?
-- A subject illuminated by direct rays of the sun will have very high overall contrast. In fact, the range of brightnesses on the subject will typically be greater than can be captured without special processing.
-- The subject will usually find it difficult to keep his eyes open without severe squinting, the shadows will be so deep and black as to be featureless or without detail.
-- The highlights of illumination on the subject will often be such a bright white that they will be featureless or without detail.
-- There will be very few elements of the subject having mid-range tonal values - everything will be either overly bright or overly dark.
What is the Quickest Way to Recognize an Overly Harsh or Contrasty Lighting Environment?
-- Look to see if the subject is casting a deep black shadow on the ground. If so, he is in the direct rays of the sun - not in Open Shade.
17th of October 2008 (Fri), 14:47
Conceptually your shots work - technically I don't think they do.
#1 at first glance I thought you were going for a style. Second glance the light is just too harsh and there seems to be lots of noise in the shadows.
#2 the light again is too harsh. There are probably several ways to deal with this light but a polarizer is not one of them. As Robert said you need open shade or someone to hold a scrim for you to create your own shade (tough with this much background showing). You also might be able to expose for the sun and fill with flash.
17th of October 2008 (Fri), 20:40
I'm going to disagree...I am SO IN LOVE with number one. If that were one of my wedding images, I would be proud! There is alot of noise, but I think it adds to the feel of the portrait. That being said, you can't get away with this very often. MAYBE one shot at every wedding can be like this. Brides expect the rest to be sharp.
I appreciate what you were trying to do with number two and I can totally see where you were going, but the time of day is all wrong. My eye jumps all over the place and I don't know where to look.
17th of October 2008 (Fri), 23:36
The first shot was very difficult. The sun was high, it was 3 in the afternoon. We were walking through some very dark forest, so it was either extremely dark or washed out bright. I processed this image with Niksoftware Viveza to achieve a more dramatic pensive mood. The noise is added with this software for detail on filmgrain. It is very blown out for what I wanted though. I was trying to use the light to highlight the hair and edges. Obviously, it is not very attractive to people. The second shot was an after thought, the tree seemed very lord of the rings'ish. The bride wanted this one, nestled in the roots. I am a little confused by the shade concept. Do you mean that despite small amount of sun coming from the sky and through the trees, I should have moved the shot into less shade? To my camera left is the Bow river falls and to my right is more trees and less light. I used a small softbox with a speedlight to put some soft light into the couples faces and was trying to maintain a decent DOF without it taking away from the couple. We then turned around and did some great shots facing the falls and on the cliffs. Does anyone have a suggestion about a scrim product that is large and free standing. I would love to get this shot again without the long shadows.
17th of October 2008 (Fri), 23:52
The Orange tint was added as a filter to the bottom of the image, to cover a very dusty concrete grey ground. I set the white balance nicely with for the original image using my expo disc. I will post the original without adjustments.
17th of October 2008 (Fri), 23:54
Thank you. I am trying all sorts of new things for my photos and I like to know what works and what does not. The bride loves this image, I am so, so about it mostly because I could have done better. Live and learn.
17th of October 2008 (Fri), 23:55
I agree about the scrim, I am going back on Wed. to reshoot this one with some friends and get to to work. And we will do it in the morning with the sun from another direction.
18th of October 2008 (Sat), 16:12
I am a little confused by the shade concept. Do you mean that despite small amount of sun coming from the sky and through the trees, I should have moved the shot into less shade? To my camera left is the Bow river falls and to my right is more trees and less light. I used a small softbox with a speedlight to put some soft light into the couples faces and was trying to maintain a decent DOF without it taking away from the couple. We then turned around and did some great shots facing the falls and on the cliffs. ...
Unless I had been there to evaluate the actual lighting conditions, I can only guess as to where open shade might have been. Bottom line is that harsh lighting must be avoided, or corrected for successful portraits. If there is no open shade that is available or usable, then you have to shoot for the highlights and try to fill in and soften the shadows with flash or with reflectors.
In the second image, it looks like they are lighted up from the direct rays of the sun coming from camera right at a low angle.
18th of October 2008 (Sat), 23:54
#1 the light is so bright it blew out the top of the grooms head.
#2 not to bad but it looks like the focusing is not on the couple they look a little soft and the harshness of the sun is also blowing out areas of this image also.
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