Would you buy a 2x crop EOS digital?

[pcasciola]

Just curious, and I undertsand completely how it works so I'm not looking for a crop factor argument (probably unavoidable though), but if Canon came out with an 8MP 18x12mm sensor EOS digital (2x crop) for around $1000, would you buy one? Maybe as a second body for specialized use? I was kind of hoping something like this would be announced at PMA, maybe for a new specialized Rebel Outdoors or something.

Of course this means that only the best L lenses would not be outresolved, but think about how cool it would be for wildlife photography. The 300mm f/2.8L is probably one of the few lenses that would not be outresolved at that pixel density, and would yield an 8MP image with an effective angle of view of a 600mm f/2.8, an 840mm effective FOV at f/4 with a 1.4x extender or a 1200mm effective FOV at f/5.6 with a 2x extender. (Note the overuse of effective as a lame attempt at stopping an argument from emerging).

Just a thought. I'm sure Canon has mulled this around and decided there was no market for it. Or is there?

[xdjoynerx]

not a chance... the 1.6x is bad enough when you want to shoot wide angle. telephoto means nothing to me. that would probably mean new lenses too which im not interested in.

[Scottes]

I'd like one for birding, but I'd really want it to be better than the 20D. And not for another year. :-)

[Citizensmith]

Sure it wasn't too much work for them, but they released the specialist 20Da. Maybe a 2x crop camera for wildlife specialists wouldn't be too big a deal. Don't want it, buy a different one its very simple. But if you like long lenses...

[Tom W]

Noise

[mdude85]

making a 2x camera will devalue super telephoto lenses.

[pcasciola]

Sure it wasn't too much work for them, but they released the specialist 20Da.That's what made me think of it. They came out with the specialzed 20Da for astrophotographers, so why not a special one for wildlife photographers which there are probably way more of anyway?

[pcasciola]

NoiseYou mean noise in the pictures, or just the whole topic? :)

Many of Canon's P&S's are 3x and 4x crop at 5-7MP, so why can't they do it with the higher quality L glass?

[Tom W]

the pictures, of course.

[Tom W]

You mean noise in the pictures, or just the whole topic? :)

Many of Canon's P&S's are 3x and 4x crop at 5-7MP, so why can't they do it with the higher quality L glass?

And none of these P&S cameras can produce clean images at ISO 400.

[pcasciola]

And none of these P&S cameras can produce clean images at ISO 400.True, but I'm only suggesting 2x. If 1.6x can get clean images at ISO 3200 on the 20D, a 2x would be pretty clean, no?

[pradeep1]

I'd prefer a 16 or 20 MP full frame sensor camera for $1000. That way, I can introduce my own 2X by digital "zooming" and still have the ability to do wide angles.

[Adam Hicks]

You guys are missing something here. Have you not seen Olympus' ground up digital SLR? The lenses are very good for it... but it has a 2x crop factor. I don't see the value shooting birds, etc, even though you'd crop down to a double lenght equiv, your pixels must be VERY small and I can't imagine detail would be as good as the Canon.

One thing Olympus did right though was the static-repelling ccd/cmos whichever they're using.

Adam

Oh and no, I don't want a 2x crop factor. I want a NICE BIG SENSOR. My next camera will be the 1D MkII replacement which will hopefully by 1x.

[pcasciola]

I'd prefer a 16 or 20 MP full frame sensor camera for $1000. That way, I can introduce my own 2X by digital "zooming" and still have the ability to do wide angles.Well of course, wouldn't we all? But that ain't happening anytime soon.

[roanjohn]

I love to shoot wide............2X crop would be just out of the question for me.

RO1

[Ogrt48]

I'd prefer a 16 or 20 MP full frame sensor camera for $1000. That way, I can introduce my own 2X by digital "zooming" and still have the ability to do wide angles.
I think he kinda meant something realistic :P

[CyberDyneSystems]

And none of these P&S cameras can produce clean images at ISO 400.

The P&S are like a 5X crop... so with the 1.6 looking so sweet at 1600,. and most birders working at 400 ISO and rarely more (we shoot in daylight usually) a 2X I would imagine with 6 or 8 pixels would be doable right now with very low noise indeed.,.. certainly Canon's CMOS tech would result in less noise than Olympuses offerings.

(remember, Olympuses E300 is 8MP with a 2X "crop" on the shelves as we type.)

[rssfhs]

Canon should make a 20MP full frame camera which has a selectable crop factor.

[mbze430]

I hate my current 1.6. 2x, someone just kill me now.

[gcogger]

I'd be interested, IF they produced a range of lenses to go with it (EF-S-S?) so we could keep the wide angle and have lighter weight lenses. It would be useful for hiking, where weight is at a premium.

[michael.luczkow]

i think 1.6 is bad enough. if we are just talking about birds here then lets just hope the resolutions increase so we can crop what we want. 2.0X is an ass backwards thing to do in my opinion. how many different families of EF lenses are we going to have?
1X, 1.3X 1.6X 2X 2.3X... come on. I understand the reason for making 1.6X-> Costs of making 1X.

going deeper into the hole is not the answer, just because now we have figured out that we don't need 2500 dollar lenses to get past 500mm or so with 1X.

Just my take.

[Anders Östberg]

I'm open to considering any technology if the pictures are good and the application works for me. A fixed 2x crop doesn't feel like the way to go though, but maybe it would be good for birding and telephoto. I'd rather spend some more and get a more versatile camera though. Maybe 2x as part of a selectable crop as Nikon's new camera. On the other hand if you don't gain anything other than a higher frame rate compared to the smaller crop, then I'd rather keep the smaller crop or full frame and crop in post processing.

[René Damkot]

I think 2x crop is not an option. I moved from a 1.6 (10D) crop body to a 1.3 crop (1D2), and to me the biggest difference in image quality is not the extra Mp, lower noise or better colours, but the larger chip. The transition from in focus / out of focus looks more like 35mm, so much better to me.

[dhbailey]

Whether or not I would buy such a thing would depend entirely on the capabilities of the camera, not specifically on the crop factor. If the body had features I felt I needed or wanted and weren't available on any other body, I might be tempted, especially if the price were right.

But I can't think of any such features right now, since I have the 20D -- with ISO speeds up to 3200, shutter speeds up to 1/8000th of a second, low noise even at higher ISO settings, the entire EF series of lenses at my beck and call (of course I can't afford most of them, but they are still available for me to use if I can just scrape the money together) about the only thing I could think of which isn't possible on the 20D that MIGHT tempt me (and I say it as a very qualified MIGHT) to buy a 2x crop factor camera, is infrared capability without expensive add-ons.

So I won't say NEVER, but it is a very qualified MAYBE.