Model Mayhem

[arnie12]

Arnie, set one of your MM gallery pictures as your avatar etc...

Jon.
Thank for your suggestion. I never did that because I am of the opinion that the avatar should resemble me and not one of the girls I took a picture of.

One of my projects I planned includes the making of an avatar....

[chrisvl]

Are you advertising you or your work?

[garyeaton]

I'm on MM as well

[A.Tan]

How long does it actually take before MM decides on your membership? I know it says 2 hours to 2 days, but I think they take longer.

[inthedeck]

They've also been going through some upgrades, recently. So, might be takin' a bit longer. *shrug*

[Tigron]

Here's my Model Mayhem profile...friend request accepted

http://www.modelmayhem.com/94404

[NickSimcheck]

http://www.modelmayhem.com/1080717

[notmydog]

How long does it actually take before MM decides on your membership? I know it says 2 hours to 2 days, but I think they take longer.


I was approved a little while ago. It only took a few hours once I uploaded my pics and bio.

[A.Tan]

Just approved last week: http://www.modelmayhem.com/shadowimagephoto

all FR accepted.

Cheers.

I was approved a little while ago. It only took a few hours once I uploaded my pics and bio.

I'm just wondering, 3 days ago you mentioned that you just got approved last week, but on your MM, it says you joined Oct 21, 2008? Did they mess up the dates? or am I missing something?

Just curious on how MM works.

[epatt250]

MM would be alot better if you could play curveball multiplayer against people on your friends list, imo.

[Cathpah]

MM would be alot better if you could play curveball multiplayer against people on your friends list, imo.

huh? :rolleyes:

[M_ark]

huh? :rolleyes:

the side was 'down' for maintenence for a while... going to the URL 'modelmayhem.com' took you to a page saying 'model mayhem is undergoing maintenance - play this little flash game while you wait:

or something to that effect.
below was a flash game titled: Curveball!!!!

[harroz]

just threw heaps of Fr's out there :D

[notmydog]

I'm just wondering, 3 days ago you mentioned that you just got approved last week, but on your MM, it says you joined Oct 21, 2008? Did they mess up the dates? or am I missing something?

Just curious on how MM works.

I registered back in Oct 2008, but it took me until the beginning of this month to get my pics and bio together. My account was in "suspend" mode until then.

Cheers

[Mark1]

Its true, your date is the day you first submit to get the account. Not the day you get it.

[A.Tan]

Thanks for clarifying.

[Kagemaru]

Ahh.. Model Mayhem is soooo bugggy GRRR!!

[Tomi Hawk]

Ahh.. Model Mayhem is soooo bugggy GRRR!!
LMAO .. yep, sure appears to be that way right about .. now .. ;)

This place is working fine tho huh?
Tomi <~~ testing POTN walls with knuckles ..

Yep .. niiice and strong .. :mrgreen:

[Kagemaru]

LMAO .. yep, sure appears to be that way right about .. now .. ;)

This place is working fine tho huh?
Tomi <~~ testing POTN walls with knuckles ..

Yep .. niiice and strong .. :mrgreen:

Yeah but I can't book hot models on here.

[Tomi Hawk]

Yeah but I can't book hot models on here.
k but uhh, there's some really hot ducks in the "Birds Section" .. well, I said "some" .. :D

[Kagemaru]

k but uhh, there's some really hot ducks in the "Birds Section" .. well, I said "some" .. :D

Bird section? never heard of it.

[Tomi Hawk]

Bird section? never heard of it.
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=594031&goto=newpost
kina helps pass the time, and relieves my stresses due to the fact that I was done replying to a model and hit *send* .. and gotz a 502 ...

Tomi <~~ stomping feet ..

[dsmPhotoCompany]

MM is quite buggy, but at least they're starting to come out with a few new features. Nothing earth shattering though.

[jenirose3]

Oh I just signed up but I'm awaiting approval! I will be adding lots of friends. Yeah!!!

[Jon Foster]

Jeni, when I signed up it too forever to get approved. But some people seem to get the ok over night too.

Jon.

[yokotas13]

F.L.S.images is mine

[jbrown7815]

www.modelmayhem.com/photosbyjlb

[jbrown7815]

Bird section? never heard of it.


FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER :lol:

[Jon Foster]

F.L.S.images is mine

What's you MM# or the link to your profile?

Jon.

[epatt250]

Whoa.. am I the only one that did not realize you can actually create a GWC profile on MM? Just stumbled upon that today. We should all make GWC profiles imo.

[flipstyle72]

Whoa.. am I the only one that did not realize you can actually create a GWC profile on MM? Just stumbled upon that today. We should all make GWC profiles imo.

lol yep you can. And there are some labeled just that!

[M_ark]

Whoa.. am I the only one that did not realize you can actually create a GWC profile on MM? Just stumbled upon that today. We should all make GWC profiles imo.

GWC isn't really the epitomy of the profession, you know... :rolleyes:

[evorgsumaf]

GWC isn't really the epitomy of the profession, you know... :rolleyes:

Maybe for the KESLER's of the world, I just hope to be able to move UP to GWC one day.:lol:

[M_ark]

I just hope to be able to move UP to GWC one day.:lol:
good luck with that...:confused:

[arnie12]

lol yep you can. And there are some labeled just that!
Example?

[epatt250]

GWC isn't really the epitomy of the profession, you know... :rolleyes:

Thats exactly what would make it fun! Switch to GWC and make it more challenging to get models to work with!

[DavidPhoto]

I need some opinions...I had a model cancel a shoot for Friday so I answered a MM casting call for TF* to fill the studio time slot. She wants to shoot so we set it up but then she asks me how long it will be until she can get all of the raws and says she can bring an external drive with her to the shoot to take them with her.
I told her I do not normally give out raws and her response was that she is also a photog. and that getting all of the raws is important to her. She says she will pass any edits by me before posting anything.
Now I dont really mind if she sees all of the shots after culling (which she said was important to her) and I dont mind if she edits them as long as she indicates who edited them (not me) if she posts anything. I dont even mind giving out hi-res images of a few keepers but I dont like the idea of giving out all of the raws from the shoot.
I would like to shoot with her just for the sake of shooting but I dont care that much as I have other shoots lined up. Should I tell her forget it or should I just give her all of the raw images? Opinions?

[epatt250]

Tough call David. I would only do it if she is completely amazing and the work you get wont just be on par with the rest of your port.

There are some models I might be willing to give RAWs to, but not many. They would also have to show me some level of competency with their own editing.

The good side of it is it will save a huge amount of time editing, and if she is really good then you get to add great images to your port with hardly any work.

But like I said, she would have to be a very top shelf model and I would want to see what her editing looks like first.

[DavidPhoto]

Tough call David. I would only do it if she is completely amazing and the work you get wont just be on par with the rest of your port.

There are some models I might be willing to give RAWs to, but not many. They would also have to show me some level of competency with their own editing.

The good side of it is it will save a huge amount of time editing, and if she is really good then you get to add great images to your port with hardly any work.

But like I said, she would have to be a very top shelf model and I would want to see what her editing looks like first.


She is not a top shelf model - not close. In fact I was only shooting with her so that I could work out my new camera.

[epatt250]

Well if you want to work out your camera, you could always just tell her not to credit you for the images at all. You get some experience and dont have the burden of editing. I am not sure how it could bite you as long as you are getting something out of it.

[epatt250]

Make sure and have a pretty solid model release though.

[DavidPhoto]

I think I am going to pass on it. I have a few other shoots coming up and I just don't like the idea of giving out all the raws.

[inthedeck]

I would never give out RAW's. Just my opinion, though. Never have, never will.

[Kittygraphix]

Nah I wouldn't give her the raws....if she is doing TF then she get a copy of the ones that you decide to edit, period whether she is a tog or not.
Being that she is a tog.......she should know the etiquette. You don't get raws unless they are paying top dollar for them. If she wants that kind of deal she can just shoot herself and process them anyway she wants to. That's my opinion

[Kittygraphix]

I think I am going to pass on it. I have a few other shoots coming up and I just don't like the idea of giving out all the raws.

GREAT decision!!!! Giving out raw can cause trouble in the future, not saying it WILL just saying it MAY. I'd rather just keep it simple :D

[epatt250]

I would never give out RAW's. Just my opinion, though. Never have, never will.

So if Kittygraphix wanted to set up a shoot with you and she does all her own editing you would pass? haha I have said I would not give out RAW's period, but then the more I think about it there would always be some situations where I would. But not many.

[DavidPhoto]

I did decide to pass on it and she seemed understanding. I don't think anything bad would have happened but I just wasn't comfortable with the idea.

[DavidPhoto]

So if Kittygraphix wanted to set up a shoot with you and she does all her own editing you would pass? haha I have said I would not give out RAW's period, but then the more I think about it there would always be some situations where I would. But not many.

If she had asked for raws of a few images I might have gone ahead but she wanted all of the raw images.
Yes there exceptions to everything!

[epatt250]

David I think you did the right there here.

[inthedeck]

So if Kittygraphix wanted to set up a shoot with you and she does all her own editing you would pass? haha I have said I would not give out RAW's period, but then the more I think about it there would always be some situations where I would. But not many.

First off, I dunno that Kat would shoot with me...it's not really her 'style' of photography (unless it were dark and edgy, which suits her more). ;) :lol:

Second, no, I would not...unless she paid for the RAW files. Of course, if she were part of my family, I might...but even then, I'd think about it.

No offense to Kat, of course. ;) Now, she might get flip to rough me up...hehe...and well...then we'll talk. :lol:

[simply amazing]

hi everyone! just created a MM account a few weeks ago!

http://www.modelmayhem.com/philiptorres

[epatt250]

She should get flip to rough you up and photograph it then post it in G&N so we can go over what constitutes "actual" abuse there :p

[inthedeck]

I'm going to stay away from LA. :lol:

[hawk911]

I'd never give a raw file out either. That's my work out there. I'm even a bit miffed at my last model as she recropped my final watermarked images and took the watermark out.

[simply amazing]

I'd never give a raw file out either. That's my work out there. I'm even a bit miffed at my last model as she recropped my final watermarked images and took the watermark out.
are we, as photographers, allowed to take action against that? being that we do have them sign model releases?

[shooterman]

are we, as photographers, allowed to take action against that? being that we do have them sign model releases?
About the only action you can take is to put them on your **** list and refuse to work with them again.

[hawk911]

or maybe talk with them and explain why your images are prepared this way. she did put them in a folder with my name on it, so she'd giving me credit. I'm just not thrilled they are missing my watermark.

edit: sent her an e-mail explaining why I've watermarked them as I do. She's new to this, so I hope to educate, not piss her off.

[Kittygraphix]

She should get flip to rough you up and photograph it then post it in G&N so we can go over what constitutes "actual" abuse there :p


OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HOLY POO POO THAT'S FUNNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I just literally busted out laughing in my office at that!!!!!!!!

[Kittygraphix]

or maybe talk with them and explain why your images are prepared this way. she did put them in a folder with my name on it, so she'd giving me credit. I'm just not thrilled they are missing my watermark.

edit: sent her an e-mail explaining why I've watermarked them as I do. She's new to this, so I hope to educate, not piss her off.


I agree....I think most people just don't know any better. I've turned down about 5 shoots where the model stated they wanted the raw images. I just don't give them out. I edit my own stuff, that simple.....it's just me.

[DavidPhoto]

I agree....I think most people just don't know any better. I've turned down about 5 shoots where the model stated they wanted the raw images. I just don't give them out. I edit my own stuff, that simple.....it's just me.


really? Wow. This is the first time it has come up for me.
I have had models edit some of my pics after I delivered them but I don't care too much about that. But this model wanted all of the raw shots.

[notmydog]

Changing topics slightly....

Do you always get models to sign releases for the shoots?

I always have in the past, but I recently encountered a model on MM who didn't know what a release was. She was young and relatively inexperienced, but she had at least 3-4 shoots under her belt. Made me think I was the only one getting models to sign em.

[inthedeck]

Changing topics slightly....

Do you always get models to sign releases for the shoots?

I always have in the past, but I recently encountered a model on MM who didn't know what a release was. She was young and relatively inexperienced, but she had at least 3-4 shoots under her belt. Made me think I was the only one getting models to sign em.

Always. Never work with one, till you get that form signed. ;)

[canonnoob]

Changing topics slightly....

Do you always get models to sign releases for the shoots?

I always have in the past, but I recently encountered a model on MM who didn't know what a release was. She was young and relatively inexperienced, but she had at least 3-4 shoots under her belt. Made me think I was the only one getting models to sign em.

always....

[DavidPhoto]

I don't always get releases. If it is strictly TF* and my purpose is only for portfolio development and as long as there is no nudity then sometimes I will not bother with the release. Under pretty much all other conditions I do get a release signed.

[epatt250]

Changing topics slightly....

Do you always get models to sign releases for the shoots?

I always have in the past, but I recently encountered a model on MM who didn't know what a release was. She was young and relatively inexperienced, but she had at least 3-4 shoots under her belt. Made me think I was the only one getting models to sign em.

Most GWC's I dont think know what a release form is, or they print one and then when she shows up with boobs n stuff they forget. Its not that they dont have a brain, its just that they have penises too and only enough blood supply to run one at a time. I shot with a model a few months ago with 2 shoots under her belt and had never seen a release. She did inform me that her previous shoots were at guys homes.

[DavidPhoto]

well anyone that shoots nudes without a release these days is asking for trouble. I always get one for nudes and I also take a shot of their drivers license or other proof of age and file them together.

[Kittygraphix]

well anyone that shoots nudes without a release these days is asking for trouble. I always get one for nudes and I also take a shot of their drivers license or other proof of age and file them together.


Good idea David!!!!!!!!!!!! See Flip, this would have saved you a trip to jail that one time in Brazil with that donkey incident!!!!!

That was a joke........to the non humorous folk :lol::lol::lol:

[DavidPhoto]

oh Brazil is whole other set of rules!

[inthedeck]

See Flip, this would have saved you a trip to jail that one time in Brazil with that donkey incident!!!!!

That was a joke........to the non humorous folk :lol::lol::lol:

I gotta check Flip's response to this one. :lol:

[epatt250]

So are donkeys!

[Tomi Hawk]

Nah I wouldn't give her the raws....if she is doing TF then she get a copy of the ones that you decide to edit, period whether she is a tog or not.
I agree, "period" .. BUT, the more the GWC's give out raws, the more the "models" expect it. I had a shoot recently where the model, (half way thru the shoot) asked if she was gonna be gettin all the images.

I asked why she needed all of them, and she stated that she wanted some for her port, and some for her MS account .. I was like .. WTF ??????
Did you not READ my page? You just looked at the images?
She stated that all of the "other" photographers she worked with gave her all the raws! I couldn't believe this (still don't) but Christ on a Bike all-mighty!!! WTF is wrong with some people? Here .. here's my first born also .. you want anything else before we're done here? .. gawd!
I ended the session right then and there .. "period"!

And David .. is this model a model? Or, is she a photographer? Man o man ..
Whats next? A model slash photographer slash director slash mechanic?

Give out raws? Not in a million years .. I don't care if her name is Raquel Welch!

[Kagemaru]

Changing topics slightly....

Do you always get models to sign releases for the shoots?

I always have in the past, but I recently encountered a model on MM who didn't know what a release was. She was young and relatively inexperienced, but she had at least 3-4 shoots under her belt. Made me think I was the only one getting models to sign em.

Never, unless it's a paid gig.

[chrisvl]

read these 2 profiles. They say it all.
http://www.modelmayhem.com/370375
http://www.modelmayhem.com/66883

No reputable photographer would ask you for all your raws.

[Kittygraphix]

I know of NO reputable photographers giving out raws, these models must be dealing with some guy down the street with a P&S that just wants to see them in their skimpies.....the absolute closest thing to a raw I will give out is a low res with the word "proof" written across it.

[DavidPhoto]

read these 2 profiles. They say it all.
http://www.modelmayhem.com/370375
http://www.modelmayhem.com/66883

No reputable photographer would ask you for all your raws.


thanks for the links. I am actually considering adding something to my page regarding TF* shoots and what to expect (what I will provide and when) along with something about models that cancel at the last minute or schedule something else after we have an appointment setup!

[hawk911]

Most GWC's I dont think know what a release form is, or they print one and then when she shows up with boobs n stuff they forget. Its not that they dont have a brain, its just that they have penises too and only enough blood supply to run one at a time. I shot with a model a few months ago with 2 shoots under her belt and had never seen a release. She did inform me that her previous shoots were at guys homes.


I shoot at my house most of the time; in the garage but still at my house. I can't afford a studio. I'm not sure what the location has to do with a release.

[shooterman]

I shoot at my house most of the time; in the garage but still at my house. I can't afford a studio. I'm not sure what the location has to do with a release.
Apparently it must mean that those of us who shoot at our homes are GWC's. :rolleyes:

[epatt250]

I dont mean a home studio, just a home. While some people have very nice homes capable of shooting high fashion elegance in.. This was not the case. Like "Here go lay on muh bed'n luk sexay!".

[shooterman]

I dont mean a home studio, just a home. While some people have very nice homes capable of shooting high fashion elegance in.. This was not the case. Like "Here go lay on muh bed'n luk sexay!".WTF???? You been spying on me? :)

[epatt250]

WTF???? You been spying on me? :)

Haha. Yea I am not knocking on the home studio people. It's just when you add all that stuff up like.. They email you and dont actually have a MM account They shoot you around their house on their own bed and for black backdrop shots its a sheet from walmart thumbtacked to a wall (which I have done too, but never with someone I did not know) No model release in sight I'm not saying that there are not those out there that are excellent togs that can produce fine images like that. But thats 3 strikes. I also would not have a problem using my own home (non studio) with someone I had worked with a great deal and had a good relationship built with, but never someone new.

[simply amazing]

I agree, "period" .. BUT, the more the GWC's give out raws, the more the "models" expect it. I had a shoot recently where the model, (half way thru the shoot) asked if she was gonna be gettin all the images.

I asked why she needed all of them, and she stated that she wanted some for her port, and some for her MS account .. I was like .. WTF ??????
Did you not READ my page? You just looked at the images?
She stated that all of the "other" photographers she worked with gave her all the raws! I couldn't believe this (still don't) but Christ on a Bike all-mighty!!! WTF is wrong with some people? Here .. here's my first born also .. you want anything else before we're done here? .. gawd!
I ended the session right then and there .. "period"!

And David .. is this model a model? Or, is she a photographer? Man o man ..
Whats next? A model slash photographer slash director slash mechanic?

Give out raws? Not in a million years .. I don't care if her name is Raquel Welch!
yea i just recently shot a model a couple days ago that i had a problem like this with. i was originally in talks with her a few months ago about doing a shoot, but she was asking if, after the shoot, she could have all the images so her friend could process them. WTF?!? i told her no way and that i wouldn't do the shoot. regardless, a couple months later, she finally came to her senses and obliged to the fact that she will not be getting any of the original images. i just dont get why the would ask for it in the first place. thats like me going to someone's house for dinner and asking if i can take home all the leftovers and more

[hawk911]

I can agree that shooting with crap BGs, hot lights from HomeDepot, and a PS can be cause to think the tog is not trustworthy. There are a great many of us that just have to use what we got til someone pays us a ton of $$ to shoot.

[Kittygraphix]

Yeah I think he meant those guys that take pictures of girls bent over their couch....I have a home studio myself and yes I started out with the walmart sheets tacked up but only using friends and that was for practice and for free!!!! I would NEVER shoot someone today using tacked up sheets as a backdrop!!! Hold up....that's such a lie!!! I did that just a couple days ago but it was under desperate measures and I used DOF so you can't tell it's wrinkley sheets....so that doesn't count :D

[simply amazing]

I can agree that shooting with crap BGs, hot lights from HomeDepot, and a PS can be cause to think the tog is not trustworthy. There are a great many of us that just have to use what we got til someone pays us a ton of $$ to shoot.

Yeah I think he meant those guys that take pictures of girls bent over their couch....I have a home studio myself and yes I started out with the walmart sheets tacked up but only using friends and that was for practice and for free!!!! I would NEVER shoot someone today using tacked up sheets as a backdrop!!! Hold up....that's such a lie!!! I did that just a couple days ago but it was under desperate measures and I used DOF so you can't tell it's wrinkley sheets....so that doesn't count :D
yea i too have a home studio setup, but thats the only thing readily available to me. granted, i have proper backdrops and lighting equipment, i cant hate on others with a home setup, as well; regardless what kind of backdrop or lighting equipment they use. i mean as long as the end-product is of quality and doesnt look like a blind paraplegic took the photo right?

[hawk911]

yea i too have a home studio setup, but thats the only thing readily available to me. granted, i have proper backdrops and lighting equipment, i cant hate on others with a home setup, as well; regardless what kind of backdrop or lighting equipment they use. i mean as long as the end-product is of quality and doesnt look like a blind paraplegic took the photo right?

Absolutely- if the end result is quality. I've seen some pretty GWC stuff and the tog keeps getting models. I can't understand it. the models must not know what good quality looks like.

[Kittygraphix]

Absolutely- if the end result is quality. I've seen some pretty GWC stuff and the tog keeps getting models. I can't understand it. the models must not know what good quality looks like.


Well they probably figure it's better than what they or their boyfriends can produce so.....why no plus they are probably thinking too "well he does think I'm hot so that's good!" dumb models + GWC's = a good fit

[chrisvl]

the models must not know what good quality looks like.

They don't. I had to lecture a model on placing unfinshed photos with skin blemishes in her port next to my fully-edited finished photos.
Too many of them are just happy to get their photo taken.
Put a girl in a bikini, lingerie and take the crappiest photo and see how many people say great shot, hot photo.

[inthedeck]

So, to those that don't give out RAW's, what file sizes do you provide to models? Obviously web sized, for their online portfolios, but, anything else aside from that? Files that they can print, for their books, etc? I'm just curious to know.

[copper]

Can you guys also add me to your list... I am new at glamour / portraits but have some things going on.

Thanks

http://www.modelmayhem.com/1123838

John

[simply amazing]

Absolutely- if the end result is quality. I've seen some pretty GWC stuff and the tog keeps getting models. I can't understand it. the models must not know what good quality looks like.

Can you guys also add me to your list... I am new at glamour / portraits but have some things going on.

Thanks

http://www.modelmayhem.com/1123838

John
sent you a request. im Philip T. over there :)

[flipstyle72]

Ok, i was just informed that my good name was being dragged around up in here. So let me set the record straight.

It WASN'T Brazil...but Guatemala. And it WASN'T a donkey, she only looked like one. And I was totally inebriated so it doesn't count. The 2nd time, was straight up my fault. (fyi, the burning has finally stopped)

2nd - It's not me you have to worry about. I only like to Dom women. Kat will beat your ass though. She REALLY does bring a whip to some shoots.

3rd - RAW...Any photographer should know not to ask another photog for the RAW's unless they are actually friends. Not just by meeting them on MM or something. That girl just isn't properly educated on the etiquette. Now Kat, she always begs for it Raw but I decline...we are just friends Kat. I'm starting to feel uncomfortable with those requests.

Hey, can we make a hopeless and delusional photog/model thread on here? lol...post all the downright ridiculous people... nahh,, that wouldn't fly here huh.

[Kittygraphix]

Flip, you my friend are hopeless and delusional enough for one person for this forum to handle!!!! :D bahahahahahaha

As far as file size goes, I give them a watermarked image for web and let them know that if they want a file for print to let me know....I have only had 2 requests for files to print thus far and I gave them a medium res at about 900x1100 (atleast I think that's about right) large enough to where an 8x10 printed is without obvious compression. Also watermarked but not a visible watermark.

[inthedeck]

Thanks Kat. Appreciate the info. I've always given them watermarked images, for their online stuff...just trying to figure out what to do about prints. Almost thinkin' that I might just print them at home, and charge a small fee, to do so...but, wasn't sure about that...especially since it's TF stuff.

[flipstyle72]

Flip, you my friend are hopeless and delusional enough for one person for this forum to handle!!!! :D bahahahahahaha



shhh...don't tell anyone.

[Kittygraphix]

I'm too lazy to deal with prints....that's just more equipment that I would have to buy and maintain :(

P.S. Oh HOLY POO POO!!! I made it to "Senior Member"!!! Do I get a discount now?

[inthedeck]

I'm too lazy to deal with prints....that's just more equipment that I would have to buy and maintain :(


That's why I was curious about giving out printable files. Not sure if I want to really do that, but, at the end of the day...if they ask, I guess I can just give them files to print via rezied jpegs that aren't too large, in pixel size. Though, from what I've read, the industry standard for models is 9x12....so, that's another factor.

[epatt250]

I am a TFP kind of guy and I have gone to printing at home for it. I can do way better than Walmart or Walgreens now that I have a decent printer and I dont have a $6 shipping charge for $3 worth a prints at a lab.

I cant do 9" wide though. Why is 9x12 the standard? Its such an odd size. I would think 8x10 or 8x12 would be better. Maybe its just to make things a little more difficult no matter what format you shoot in.

[inthedeck]

Not sure, but, lots of pro's on MM state that 9x12 is the industry standard, that's all. 8.5x11, yeah, they can get away with it...

[canonnoob]

I thought I would just drop my MM# in here in case anyone wanted to add me :) hint hint... lol..

1041753



okay that wasnt funny....

[dsmPhotoCompany]

David,

Everything you do in your business reflects on you. Even if she edits them (which will likely be poor edits) and notes that, it still reflects on you.

I never give out raws or unedited shots and I don't plan on doing so in the future. And I also make it clear that I expect the web files I do give clients/models are not edited in any manner.

I also don't give out hi-res files unless I'm paid (and paid well) for them. Not only are you giving up some good cash by not handing your own printing, but are giving up control as well. Most clients that want to print the photos will go as cheap as possible, meaning they'll look like crap. Which once again, reflects on you.

[Tomi Hawk]

i just dont get why they would ask for it in the first place.
Like I said, it's because they've worked with someone else, who's standards were no where near mine, your's, or even in the ball-bark itself.

So basicly, the wrench comes in from left feild, makes a mess of everything at home, and we're left to clean it up and *educate* the new models and brides (o gawd, don't even get me started on brides) the model is already used to being pampered, treated like a Queen, told how hot she looks all day everyday, then we throw a $ sign at them and/or have a contract that stipulates what we do, how we do it, when we do it, annnnd what we get for it.
(talking about TFP) and they kina freak out about it ..

Now we have to educate the individual that we're shooting, be it a model or a bride, because the model has done several shoots already and thinks that what she's recieved so far is supposed to be par for the course .. ahem .. :confused: not!

The brides are another thread itself actually, but ..........

This is really nothing new. 20 years ago, we had 35mm togs runnin around shooting weddings for $399.99! Which also included the formals, which also included the reception, which also included all the photographs, which also included allll the negatives. :rolleyes:

Step up my game? Sure thing .. this is the perfect time to raise my prices.
Now instead of looking like a 325i, I'm lookin like a 750iL. And we all know that we all get a little wet when we see a niiice white 750iL .. ok well, errr, I'll speak for just myself then. ;)

Explaining to brides (and models) why they should hire me as opposed to, GWC Weekend Warrior I Just Wanna See Your Bewbies Photography Wedding Illusions Studio 420 ...
just got easier. Not to say that there aren't any great weekend warriors out there that do make some great art but .. they aren't educating, charging, running a business .. ya know? What the hell .. they jus wanna see bewbies and charge *cost* on a wedding, just to, "get the experiance" so I can charge out the a$$ in the very near future and become a professional.

Face it fellow togs, and you togs that are also models .. ahem, ;) TFP and the GWC have been here for a long time. Just different times, different terms.
No matter what the format, some photographer will always be giving away originals. Hell, some prolly give out the damn card!
thats like me going to someone's house for dinner and asking if i can take home all the leftovers and more
I've actually had models that have asked just that .. wait uhhh ..

[flipstyle72]

reminds me...a photographer asked me to shoot his wedding...then asked if he can have the raws to edit himself. If I trusted his ability and style, i would have...but I don't think he would do the photos justice. Not after seeing his work. Not that it's "Horrible" but just not what I would wwant my shots to be reflected as. Unless they paid me a considerable amount of money...which it wasn't going to be.

[epatt250]

reminds me...a photographer asked me to shoot his wedding...then asked if he can have the raws to edit himself. If I trusted his ability and style, i would have...but I don't think he would do the photos justice. Not after seeing his work. Not that it's &quot;Horrible&quot; but just not what I would wwant my shots to be reflected as. Unless they paid me a considerable amount of money...which it wasn't going to be.

Well I did say you could tie us both up at the reception.. I figured that would be enough incentive to change your mind on it.

[dsmPhotoCompany]

Unless they paid me a considerable amount of money...which it wasn't going to be.

Right. If someone wanted to pay me good cash and my name would not be associated with the photos/project at all - I'd consider doing it.

But most people that want raws or unedited hi-res files (unless it's a corporate gig and they have graphics folks on hand) are just looking to save money and therefore, not willing to pay what I would require for that type of thing.

[flipstyle72]

Right. If someone wanted to pay me good cash and my name would not be associated with the photos/project at all - I'd consider doing it.

But most people that want raws or unedited hi-res files (unless it's a corporate gig and they have graphics folks on hand) are just looking to save money and therefore, not willing to pay what I would require for that type of thing.

exactly. They made it sound like they were doing me a favor. "oh, and you don't have to do any editing, we'll do it"

[M_ark]

Yeah I think he meant those guys that take pictures of girls bent over their couch....I have a home studio myself and yes I started out with the walmart sheets tacked up but only using friends and that was for practice and for free!!!! I would NEVER shoot someone today using tacked up sheets as a backdrop!!! Hold up....that's such a lie!!! I did that just a couple days ago but it was under desperate measures and I used DOF so you can't tell it's wrinkley sheets....so that doesn't count :D

Everyone knows if it's OOF, it doesn't count - that also goes for bedsheets, OOF photos, and OOF photogs (when you have a headache and just can't focus on the shoot!) .:mad:

[Jon Foster]

I need some opinions...I had a model cancel a shoot for Friday so I answered a MM casting call for TF* to fill the studio time slot. She wants to shoot so we set it up but then she asks me how long it will be until she can get all of the raws and says she can bring an external drive with her to the shoot to take them with her.
I told her I do not normally give out raws and her response was that she is also a photog. and that getting all of the raws is important to her. She says she will pass any edits by me before posting anything.
Now I dont really mind if she sees all of the shots after culling (which she said was important to her) and I dont mind if she edits them as long as she indicates who edited them (not me) if she posts anything. I dont even mind giving out hi-res images of a few keepers but I dont like the idea of giving out all of the raws from the shoot.
I would like to shoot with her just for the sake of shooting but I dont care that much as I have other shoots lined up. Should I tell her forget it or should I just give her all of the raw images? Opinions?

I know this post is day or two old but I wouldn't give her "my" RAW files. Pass on this one. There will be plenty more down the road... You are the photog, you keep full control of "your" work.

Jon.

[DavidPhoto]

yeah I passed on it. It took me a cup of coffee to decide!

[Kittygraphix]

exactly. They made it sound like they were doing me a favor. "oh, and you don't have to do any editing, we'll do it"


See and I would take that as an insult if someone asked me to shoot their wedding but not edit the images and saying they would edit the images themselves. That's like saying "look I can't take the pictures myself so I think I will have to go ahead and settle for you taking them but since I am better at editing....I"ll do that part" as I pat you on the back. WTF?!
If I hire a fellow tog to shoot my wedding, they doing the full damn gig! I sure as **** don't want another job to catch up on after I get back from the honeymoon!!! Oh Flip that reminds me....epatt gave me an idea just now....instead of tossing the flowers and garter I think Marsh and I will do "who can untie themselves the fastest" :D Will you tie up all the guests for us? Mo can do polaroids :D

[flipstyle72]

haha...sure, whens the wedding?! Once everyone is all tied up, I can do some really devious things!

[Kittygraphix]

He has to actually propose first, silly boy thinks there is a "perfect time" for it.....whatever! hahahaha

[flipstyle72]

He has to actually propose first, silly boy thinks there is a "perfect time" for it.....whatever! hahahaha

forgive him...he's young and naive still yet! Looking forward for tomorrow!

[DavidPhoto]

So when MM models flake on you do you guys just ignore it or what? I realize there isnt much you can do.
I recently agreed to shoot a new model from MM. The last time I heard from her I realized from the tone of her response that she was probably not going to show. The shoot was supposed to be tomorrow and I sent her a confirmation message today which she read but did not respond to. So I just now I lined up another model to take her place. I'm sort of relieved because I didn't really want to shoot her but it still kind of gets me pissed off that she made the appointment and kept checking with me and then blew it off without even responding. The funny part is, her profile now says that she is only interested in paid assignments! She has modeled like 2 or 3 times and her port looks it! Gotta laugh.

[M_ark]

So when MM models flake on you do you guys just ignore it or what? I realize there isnt much you can do.


you answered your own question.

just get another model and shoot, or get on POTN and learn something new :D.

[swatcop169]

Link to my MM is in the sig.

[DavidPhoto]

you answered your own question.

just get another model and shoot, or get on POTN and learn something new :D.


yeah I suppose you are right. I didn't bother even messaging her after she failed to respond to the confirmation but I'd like to :)

[Kittygraphix]

I've had MUA's just not show and models cancel the day of or less than 24 hours from the shoot....this was when I first started getting serious with shoots. Today if I were to have a no show, I would add her/him to a list of people that I will not work with from MM and put the list on my profile for everyone to see.

[Jon Foster]

I'm pretty much getting to the point that a model must be exceptionally striking in some way to make me want to shoot them. Did that make sense? And even though the economy is getting harder to deal with I'm getting more picky as the days pass.

I've also shot so many kids portraits in the last few years I feel like I'm choking.

Jon.

[copper]

Thanks for added me!

[Kittygraphix]

I'm pretty much getting to the point that a model must be exceptionally striking in some way to make me want to shoot them. Did that make sense? And even though the economy is getting harder to deal with I'm getting more picky as the days pass.

I've also shot so many kids portraits in the last few years I feel like I'm choking.

Jon.


Yeah I'm learning that I want to spend less time behind the computer and more time behind the camera so being picky about a model's appearance is something that just comes with experience. A couple years ago and up until this past year I would shoot ANYONE!!! lol not anymore, that's too much PS work!!!!!

[JeffreyVB]

www.modelmayhem.com/jeffreyvb (http://www.modelmayhem.com/jeffreyvb)

[DavidPhoto]

Yeah I'm learning that I want to spend less time behind the computer and more time behind the camera so being picky about a model's appearance is something that just comes with experience. A couple years ago and up until this past year I would shoot ANYONE!!! lol not anymore, that's too much PS work!!!!!

LOL, I'm not that picky about who I will shoot...not yet but I'm getting there. I am finding that it really helps to have a better model that knows what she is doing and looks good. D'oh!
But sometimes I just like to shoot and god knows I can use the practice so I keep on keeping on and sometimes that means just finding a model that is reliable.

[XTremeSLR]

I'm on there there.

[Jon Foster]

I recognize several of your shots Paul. Good work!

Jon.

[johngalt_ny]

I'm on model Mayhem at www.modelmayhem/bilsen (http://www.modelmayhem/bilsen)

I also just joined another site called Model Brigade under the same name.

[hawk911]

I'm on model Mayhem at www.modelmayhem/bilsen (http://www.modelmayhem/bilsen)

I also just joined another site called Model Brigade under the same name.

brigade is made up of people pissed at mayhem. No where near the activity level of Mayhem. I'm on MB also.

[harroz]

what happened to the ball game :(

[wasabimaniac]

How long does it take to have your account approved? I've been waiting for 7 days now and nothing... Any suggestions on what to do next?

[ZSutton]

How long does it take to have your account approved? I've been waiting for 7 days now and nothing... Any suggestions on what to do next?

did you upload pictures and fill out your profile. I started my account about half a year ago, and it only took a day

[Tomi Hawk]

How long does it take to have your account approved? I've been waiting for 7 days now and nothing... Any suggestions on what to do next?
did you upload pictures and fill out your profile. I started my account about half a year ago, and it only took a day
Yeah, it could be anything .. Tyler might be out fishing ... ;)

Not to worry wasabi .. (i love that stuff on my sashimi)
Membership acceptance varies with different folks I've spoken with ..

Hang in there!

[Jon Foster]

I can't remember how long mine took but it was much longer than the time frame they mention when I signed up. Tyler must have been in jail or a hospital. ;)

Jon.

[wasabimaniac]

Yeah, it could be anything .. Tyler might be out fishing ... ;)

Not to worry wasabi .. (i love that stuff on my sashimi)
Membership acceptance varies with different folks I've spoken with ..

Hang in there!

You should try wasabi on your steak!

I'll keep waiting, hopefully I've done everything properly. If something is wrong with it, they will contact me right?

[Tomi Hawk]

You should try wasabi on your steak!

I'll keep waiting, hopefully I've done everything properly. If something is wrong with it, they will contact me right?
Hahaa, omyyyy .. my mouth is watering now lmao!

I actually have a recipe marinate for rib-eye .. passed on from my mom (hawaiian)
and my brother and I, over the years have "modified" it to our tatses, but, yeah .. good stuff ;)

You shouldn't have any issues with MM in regards to getting up and running,
Tyler has recently sold the site, but from what I unsderstand .. he's kina hanging around
to sorta help I guess with the transition, etc ... etc ...

Be sure to use the *Browse* feature to keep up with new models and to perhaps
contact yourself regarding sessions. The *Casting* section is always fun also.

And you'll get a kick out of the *Forums* .. much like any other forum where debates
and the like are more then common place ... but, it's a fun community ..

after you help pull the weeds ... ;)

[gcobb]

Just to clarify this, from what I know, pending memberships can't be chosen randomly. There is a queue everyone goes into and they're approved or denied in the order they sign up or resubmit (based on votes from the Gatekeepers). One problem is the people uploading Myspace pictures all the time, being denied and resubmitting with more crappy self-taken webcam or Myspace mirror pictures. This is only part of the problem. Another part is that the new applicants don't take the time to read what the requirements are. The biggest thing is that there are usually several thousand applicants at any given time.

I hope everyone had a great weekend.

[lostinthe619]

Got approved today, still a complete newb at workin with models... But hey, ya gotta start somewhere.

http://www.modelmayhem.com/lostinthe619

[gcobb]

There is a lot more useless info on there than there is good. You have to wade through some of it to find what works for you. I come over here for advise with the exception of 2 or 3 people I ask questions on there.

[JeffreyVB]

Be sure to use the *Browse* feature to keep up with new models and to perhaps
contact yourself regarding sessions. The *Casting* section is always fun also.



"Browse" and "Castings" is where I usually hang out.

I didn't realize the site was sold. When did that happen?

[Tomi Hawk]

I didn't realize the site was sold. When did that happen?
About 2 months ago? Not sure exactly, but there's a thread in the forums ..

Gonna miss Tyler messin with the shout-box and the messege board though.
Dude did a great thing .. ;)

[Mark II Shooter]

what about San Antonio?? lol

That's my city!:rolleyes:

[waple]

http://www.modelmayhem.com/655587

[EagleEye5]

I am also on Model Mayhem, I just added you to my friends list too.

http://www.modelmayhem.com/pellepiano

Man, The martini is awesome...you have some great work!

[Jon Foster]

Man, The martini is awesome...you have some great work!

I like his work too.

Jon.

[woodsters]

on there too if any one wants to be friends... hehe

http://www.modelmayhem.com/brianwood

[JRJay]

I'm new to model mayhem, here it is...

http://www.modelmayhem.com/jasonjavier

[mike62]

Hey guys I would appreciate some kind tags on mine as well. I have some better stuff to add but anything right now would help.

http://www.modelmayhem.com/mikethomasphotography

Thank you.

[cookey]

I have just joined up recently also,just starting with my photography so I guess the only way is up lol

http://www.modelmayhem.com/1021107

[hawk911]

sent the last 3 FR on mayhem... :)

[tiha]

New to MM: http://www.modelmayhem.com/vtihomir

[Yogurt]

Mine is www.modelmayhem.com/yogurt

[wasabimaniac]

I just started recently too: http://www.modelmayhem.com/1169489
Tags and FR appreciated!
Cheers!