green in photoshop print

[RJCONKLIN]

i shoot raw adobe rgb. using canon digital photo professional or canon file viewer utility and print from these programs the color is perfect.

taking the same file and printing in photoshop cs the photo has a green tinge. i have used canon icc profile guide and setup photoshop accordingly.

what's wrong? thank you. r. j. conklin

[PacAce]

Are you processing the raw file in PSCS, too? If so, you may need to adjust your WB when doing the conversion.

[RJCONKLIN]

i have tried changing the wb in photoshop. still green. in all three programs the wb is as shot.

in pscs the color of any raw photo is ok until it goes to the print preview where the picture has a green tinge and prints the same green tinge.

[gramps]

I'm running into the same problem. I'm shooting raw, the "edited" photo looks great on my screen ( I just calibrated it ) but certian skin tones and light tans print out with a green tint.

[RJCONKLIN]

exactly gramps. this does not happen in the other two programs. does anyone know that gives?

[scottbergerphoto]

In order to answer the question the following things must be known:
1. What is the color space of the converted image? (adobe RGB?)
2. What is your PS CS working space?(adobeRGB?)
3. What are you selecting in PS CS Print Preview as:
a. Source Space?(Adobe RGB?)
b. Output?(Printer/paper ICC Profile or Printer Color Management?)
4. What are you selecting in your Printer Driver? (no color adjustment, ICM?)
A wrong value for any of these can result in bad output.
Scott

[gramps]

In order to answer the question the following things must be known:
1. What is the color space of the converted image? (adobe RGB?)
2. What is your PS CS working space?(adobeRGB?)
3. What are you selecting in PS CS Print Preview as:
a. Source Space?(Adobe RGB?)
b. Output?(Printer/paper ICC Profile or Printer Color Management?)
4. What are you selecting in your Printer Driver? (no color adjustment, ICM?)
A wrong value for any of these can result in bad output.
Scott


These questions are a big reason I am starting to "read the book". So far (in the past week) I make sure that my camers is set for adobe rgb, I think (probally wrong) that by doing this the color space and working space are also Adobe RGB. I do know that my CHEAP HP 5550 is not the best to print with. Hopefully soon there weill be a new printer sitting here and that will help.

[scottbergerphoto]

The correct answers are the ones in parenthesis. When there are two choices in parenthesis, the first goes with the first in the next question and the second with the second.
As you say your printer is an inexpensive one, I assume that you don't have an ICC profile for it. In that case, in PS Print Preview:
Source: Should automatically show: adobe RGB
Output: Printer Color Management, from the pull down list
Printer driver: See what setting works best.
Scott

[gramps]

Scott THANK YOU very much.

[RJCONKLIN]

dear scott: 1. adobe rgb
2. adobe rgb
3. a. adobe rgb
b. printer color management
4. icm (it makes no difference; it's still green
5. canon i9100

[scottbergerphoto]

dear scott: 1. adobe rgb
2. adobe rgb
3. a. adobe rgb
b. printer color management
4. icm (it makes no difference; it's still green
5. canon i9100
That stinks! Have you printed a test page to see if there are any clogged print nozzles? If that test is OK and your monitor is calibrated, I don't know.
Sorry,
Scott

[PacAce]

dear scott: 1. adobe rgb
2. adobe rgb
3. a. adobe rgb
b. printer color management
4. icm (it makes no difference; it's still green
5. canon i9100
Did you also set the printer parameters for the type of paper and type of print you are making (eg. Photo Paper Pro (or whatever paper you are using) and High Quality Photo (or something like that)?

[Bodog]

I'm not the expert Scott is, but it seems to me there is a conflict between printer color management and ICM. Shouldn't it be one or the other, not both?

[RJCONKLIN]

remember in file viewer and digital photo pro , the preview print screen and the final print have no green tinge. only in photoshop the print preview and the print are green tinged. also it does'nt matter which program the raw was processed in nor does it matter what kind of file psd; tif; jpg' etc. i use only canon photo pro paper and yes i know to setup the printer in print preview.

[w10d]

I'm not the expert Scott is, but it seems to me there is a conflict between printer color management and ICM. Shouldn't it be one or the other, not both?

I'll say straight away that I'm on a Mac & have always used Epson's - but if the CM routines are the same then Bodog is right. If you are using source & output space settings in the PS print window, then you must select 'no colour adjustment' in the subsequent printer driver dialogue box. Otherwise you CM the print process twice, which can cause the problem you have & also explains why software that doesn't use CM gives better prints.

Only other thing I can think of is that your printer is deviating too far from the Canon profiles & needs a custom profile (not a bad thing as most printers will benefit from that). However, I think that's unlikely to be the problem in your case.

[PacAce]

I'm not the expert Scott is, but it seems to me there is a conflict between printer color management and ICM. Shouldn't it be one or the other, not both?
No. If you are going to let the printer manage the colors, then not only must you tell PS to let the printer do it (Printer Color Management) but you also have to tell the printer that it needs to manage the color (ICM) because the software is not doing it. And, of course, you then have to tell the printer what type of paper you are using so that it can select the color profile for it.

If PS is going to do the color management, then the printer has to be told NOT to (None).

[RJCONKLIN]

dear pacace: i have setup photoshop printer mode using canon icc printer profile guide. again the screen in pscs is ok. it's when i go to print the preview screen is green and the print is green.

[PacAce]

dear pacace: i have setup photoshop printer mode using canon icc printer profile guide. again the screen in pscs is ok. it's when i go to print the preview screen is green and the print is green.
The Canon ICC printer profile guide has two options for printing. The first one uses the printer to manage the color and this seems like the one you've tried. Have you tried the 2nd method wherein it is PS that manages the color and the printer color management is turned off?

To tell you the truth, I've used both methods with my i9900 and I've never had any problems with my colors except when I unintentionally spedified the wrong paper type or printer profile. And, since you said that your prints are coming out fine when using the Canon programs, I'm inclined to think that maybe something is amiss in the way it is specified in PSCS itself. Have you double checked your color space in PSCS and also made sure that you don't have View > "Proof Color" turned on (or maybe specifying the wrong profile if it is turned on)?

[RJCONKLIN]

believe me, i have tried everything. i have even used print screen on jpeg files they come out better than pscs. i know the problem has to be in pscs, because other methods of printing work ok. it would be nice if pscs could just print what is on it's own screen.

[PacAce]

I know this may be a pain but is there any chance you can screen capture the different steps in your Print with Preview process, especially the printer properties window? Maybe with a different set of eyes we'll be able to spot something that may been overlooked.

[scottbergerphoto]

I did a Google Search and I came up with a couple of possible reasons for the green:
1. Color Management is turned off in PS.
2. The correct printer profile is not selected in PS Print Preview
Good Luck,
Scott

[RJCONKLIN]

when in pscs i take the screen picture, which looks normal, go to print preview, the green tinge shows up. i have changed every parameter i can think of. and it does'nt matter if it is a raw,psd,tif or jpg. they all go to green in print mode.

[scottbergerphoto]

Have you tried resetting the preferences on PS CS to the defaults?
Scott

[w10d]

i have changed every parameter i can think of. and it does'nt matter if it is a raw,psd,tif or jpg. they all go to green in print mode.

Your problem (& the fact that non CM programs print OK) sounds exactly like the results of a duplication of CM. Have you tried selecting the CM options in the PS preview dialogue box & selecting 'no colour adjustment' in the printer driver dialogue?

Not doing that, ie double colour managing, will cause a problem identical to the one you describe with Mac/Epson & I can't see how using the CM of PS & Canon together is going to work either.

HTH.

[scottbergerphoto]

Your problem (& the fact that non CM programs print OK) sounds exactly like the results of a duplication of CM. Have you tried selecting the CM options in the PS preview dialogue box & selecting 'no colour adjustment' in the printer driver dialogue?

Not doing that, ie double colour managing, will cause a problem identical to the one you describe with Mac/Epson & I can't see how using the CM of PS & Canon together is going to work either.

HTH.
Double profiling, selecting an ICC profile in PS and one in the printer driver, usually results in a magenta cast. Green casts usually mean the lack of color management or the correct printer profile.
Scott

[w10d]

Double profiling, selecting an ICC profile in PS and one in the printer driver, usually results in a magenta cast. Green casts usually mean the lack of color management or the correct printer profile.
Scott

Well as I sad, I'm not familiar with Canon, so I didn't want to assume it would be causing a magenta cast. We seem to have ruled out a lack of CM, so do you think the profile if responsible? I sugested a custom profile might help in my 1st post, do you think that would be the solution Scott? I would have thought the printer would have to be deviating a lot from standard to produce a strong cast with Canon ink & paper, so I'm surprised it could be giving good results with non-CM programs.

[scottbergerphoto]

If you select Printer Color Management in PS-Print Preview, and cannot get rid of the green cast with any canned setting in the printer driver, I'm at a total loss.
Scott

[RJCONKLIN]

thanks for all your help. i have very carefully gone through everything from the raw adobe rgb on the flash card to a processed tif file. i have followed canon's icc setup manual for pscs. no matter what i do the print preview screen that appears over the photo is just plain green. i can see the contrast between the photo on the screen and what appears in print preview.

i will just do all my printing in a canon program. thanks again. r. j. conklin.

[scottbergerphoto]

If the green cast is just in the Print Preview screen, but the printed picture matches the monitor without any cast, just ignore it. I get a magenta cast in Print Preview with all my pictures, but the prints have no cast and match my monitor. We had a discussion about this a while ago and no one could figure it out.
Scott

[RJCONKLIN]

dear scott: the printed picture is green just like in print preview. the pscs screen is normal. there are no double profiles and i use printer color management just like it says to do in "canon icc profile guide."

[scottbergerphoto]

As Bubba would say, "I feel your pain!".
Regards,
Scott

[w10d]

dear scott: the printed picture is green just like in print preview. the pscs screen is normal. there are no double profiles and i use printer color management just like it says to do in "canon icc profile guide."

I've probably just misunderstood you here, but it's not double profiles I was refering to, but double CM: If you've selected Source & Print spaces in the Print with Preview dialogue & then select anything other than No Colour Adjustment in the driver dialogue box you'll end up with the CM being handled twice. (Well, that's how PS printing works on a Mac).

I once had an identical problem, but it was down to a bug in the driver, unlikely to be your problem. Hope you get it sorted.