Black and White

[mvonditter]

:oops: How can I shoot black and white with my 1Ds? Ps CS converts ok, just not good enough.:cry:

Thanks

[iwatkins]

Best way is to always shoot in colour and convert in PS CS to B&W.

Sure, the Desaturate option in PS CS usually gives farily poor results, but there are million other ways of doing it within PS CS. Color mixer widget is a good starter, switch it to monochrome and play with the sliders.

In addition, there are plenty of PS actions out there to do B&W, have a Google.

Cheers

Ian

[mvonditter]

What I am after is to take, with the camera if possible, a black and white shot. If not, how do I get a gray scaled rep. of a color image in PS CS? Or sipia(sp) for that matter.

[MrChad]

I personally feel black and white looks best when printed on good quality paper from a local lab and I feel film yields the best contrast and feel for me--I use Kodak Tri-X or T400CN (C41) is a favorite of mine. For as often as I want to shoot black and white a roll or two isn't much IMO.

Yes I just said that in the digital forum, but I also get razzed for still using my Elan 7 from time to time, take it for what it's worth.

Else, I convert in Photoshop 7 at this point.

[mvonditter]

I have PS 7 as well.....the question is still HOW do I do it? I've looked and can't seem to find it. I know I'm a pain....please help anyway. :-) Something along the lines of....Yo idiot, click on this, then on that and then on this and you are there, would work

[ijohnson]

I have heard that there are black and white CF cards. From what I have read, they produce better results than shooting in color and post-processing.

I have no idea what I am talking about or where to find cards like these. I would buy one if I could find one here in Korea.

Somebody with experience will surely help me out here eventually.

[MrChad]

I have PS 7 as well.....the question is still HOW do I do it? I've looked and can't seem to find it. I know I'm a pain....please help anyway. :-) Something along the lines of....Yo idiot, click on this, then on that and then on this and you are there, would work

Image >> adjust >> grayscale?
Then play with the color and contrast to taste, else I'm sure their are a million plug ins.
I use the plug-ins from my Canon Printer with photoshop, I also have some from my film scanner that I use, but those won't help you.

[CyberDyneSystems]

Oh my lordy....

In answer to the original question ;)

:oops: How can I shoot black and white with my 1Ds? Ps CS converts ok, just not good enough.:cry:

Thanks


What I am after is to take, with the camera if possible, a black and white shot. If not, how do I get a gray scaled rep. of a color image in PS CS? Or sipia(sp) for that matter.

On the 1Ds there is no setting for black and white. All images will be shot in color.

I highly doubt there is such a thing as a black and white CF card either.

:)

[mvonditter]

Image >> adjust >> grayscale?
Then play with the color and contrast to taste, else I'm sure their are a million plug ins.
I use the plug-ins from my Canon Printer with photoshop, I also have some from my film scanner that I use, but those won't help you.

Wish that worked, however neither PS 7 nor PS CS has "grayscale" that I can find.

[CyberDyneSystems]

I have PS 7 as well.....the question is still HOW do I do it? I've looked and can't seem to find it. I know I'm a pain....please help anyway. :-) Something along the lines of....Yo idiot, click on this, then on that and then on this and you are there, would work

:lol:

I like your attitude! :)


Check out this thread,. it describes a few ways to convert to black and white;
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=34606

Hope this helps :)

[ijohnson]

Oh my lordy....

In answer to the original question ;)



On the 1Ds there is no setting for black and white. All images will be shot in color.

I highly doubt there is such a thing as a black and white CF card either.

:)
I must say CDS, I was expecting you to come over and confirm my post, but now you have totally rejected it.

I swear that I have read about b+w cf cards. I consider you to be one of the most credible posters here so I want to believe you SOOOOO bad.

I'm so confused.

[CyberDyneSystems]

I could be wrong,. I guess,. it's certainly been known to happen :lol:

I've not heard anything like this though except in the joke thread regarding the Fuji CF cards,.. it just seems it would be nearly impossible for a card manufacturer to be able to address the files of every camera type/brand out there reliably and make the color alterations.

[MrChad]

Wish that worked, however neither PS 7 nor PS CS has "grayscale" that I can find.


Are you sure, I just did this from my menu's?

Go to Image menu in the title bar...then the MODE >
Then choose grey scale....?

[ijohnson]

I could be wrong,. I guess,. it's certainly been known to happen :lol:

I've not heard anything like this though except in the joke thread regarding the Fuji CF cards,.. it just seems it would be nearly impossible for a card manufacturer to be able to address the files of every camera type/brand out there reliably and make the color alterations.

I totally agree. It seems stupid but I swear I have read about it here at least twice. Oh well. Don't worry, I am researching it like crazy right now. Couldn't you just make a 2-bit cf card (oh wait, I see those everywhere). Crap, that sounds really stupid. I'll get back to y'all.

[mvonditter]

:lol:

I like your attitude! :)


Check out this thread,. it describes a few ways to convert to black and white;
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=34606

Hope this helps :)

You are god send and have saved my bacon:lol: I knew there had to be some easier way. I am not worthy........ask me about computers and so on and I hope to be able to repay you.:rolleyes:

[CyberDyneSystems]

ijohnson,

You haven't been taking this thread;
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=58580
...too seriously have you?

mvonditter,

Glad I could help :)

[mvonditter]

Are you sure, I just did this from my menu's?

Go to Image menu in the title bar...then the MODE >
Then choose grey scale....?

That one works. That's not what your first post said though.:oops:

Thanks a lot!!!!!!;)

[ijohnson]

ijohnson,

You haven't been taking this thread;
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=58580
...too seriously have you?

mvonditter,

Glad I could help :)

Nope. Maybe it was just a strange dream. It would be nice though.

[boBquincy]

I hope most of you are just kidding.

If you want to create good B&W images try this tip from one of the masters but *don't* expect the camera to do as well as the computer, it just doesn't have the power or the options. I still consider the "B&W" settings to be worthless.

http://www.adobe.com/tips/phs8colorbw/main.html


boB

[Johnny V]

You could use "Fred Miranda BW Workflow Pro" Phtoshop plug-in:

http://www.fredmiranda.com/software/

Sorry to get serious!

[merlyn9]

You could use "Fred Miranda BW Workflow Pro" Phtoshop plug-in:

http://www.fredmiranda.com/software/

Sorry to get serious!


I second this... I've been extreamly happy with the result this plug-in offers.
Not just B&W, but DuoToane as well, with intensity settings...


---michael

[Persian-Rice]

I use a pretty complicated process. I wont reveal it all but will give you a general Idea.

Convert to B&W>>
make it a little bit noisy>>
add more dynamic range>>
(I use B&W workflow pro for the above three)

Duplicate original and adjust its blending to one of the "light" filters and lower opacity>>
duplicate original and run special highlight shadow adjustment>>
Run curves and adjust some more>> I sometimes do three different curves masks
create a -100 saturation mask>>
below it add a photo filter mask with custom colour>>
then on the top run another photo filter mask with another custom colour>>
flatten and sharpen the image.

I love the outcome it gives me, and it also gives me a unique but consistent look.

[ijohnson]

Wow. I was really serious. I am now convinced that I dreamed about the black and white cf card. It doesn't make any sense I know. I have had much more ridiculous dreams about cameras but I have never believed them.

Maybe it shows how serious I am about photography instead of making me look like a total moron.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[ilya]

Here is the truth -

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=21466&highlight=Black+White

[ijohnson]

ok then. maybe I AM just a moron.

[ilya]

No you are not.

[René Damkot]

I just use Channel Mixer. Works great!

[Johnny V]

Here's a link with a few different methods:

http://www.photo-i.co.uk/talkshop/BW/monochrome.htm

[ijohnson]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Somebody take my beautiful camera away. I don't deserve it.