Wedding help

[londonblue007]

Hello All.

My sister is getting married next year, and has asked me to help her find a photographer. (she doesn't know photog speak and is afraid of not getting what she wants)

The wedding is in Newport, RI on Oct 17, 2009.

She's looking for the following :

hours of approx. 12/1pm to 10pm, which will include getting ready, ceremony (3pm), reception (5:30 - 10:30) etc.

Edited full rez printable photos in TIFF format on DVD(s), with rights to print.

ALL unedited full rez photos (JPEG or TIFF) on DVD (she would prefer raw files, but I told her the chance of that is slim to none... but she want's every picture regardless - I know this is a touchy subject, so, I'm just passing on what she wants and I'll let you talk her out of it.... )

No albums, no prints, no proof books. She wants to do all that on her own.

Please email me at phillipbond@gmail.com with your responses/rates/gallery/etc.

Thanks for looking!

[tsw910]

you may want to post this over at the market place " services needed " t

[tim]

I doubt many people would take her up on that wonderful offer, I wouldn't if I was in the area. The list of demands indicates someone who's quite picky and might not be so good to work with, and with not wanting any products that limits the amount of income from the wedding. TIFFs are unnecessary, i'd offer them if there's a good reason, otherwise JPG are fine. I would not offer all the unedited photos. I overshoot and cull so I can present the best of the images, culling is a service, and it saves customers wading through ten very photos to pick the best one. Color correction and post processing let me present my work the way I want it presented, and there's no way anyone gets the rejects.

I suggest you either hire a photographer with little experience who will cave in on the demands, or drop the unreasonable demands and hire someone good.

[londonblue007]

I doubt many people would take her up on that wonderful offer, I wouldn't if I was in the area. The list of demands indicates someone who's quite picky and might not be so good to work with, and with not wanting any products that limits the amount of income from the wedding. TIFFs are unnecessary, i'd offer them if there's a good reason, otherwise JPG are fine. I would not offer all the unedited photos. I overshoot and cull so I can present the best of the images, culling is a service, and it saves customers wading through ten very photos to pick the best one. Color correction and post processing let me present my work the way I want it presented, and there's no way anyone gets the rejects.

I suggest you either hire a photographer with little experience who will cave in on the demands, or drop the unreasonable demands and hire someone good.


I completely disagree with you regarding TIFF vs JPEG. IQ is noticeably in my experience between JPEG and TIFF and the printer I use prefers I provide TIFF.

As far as demands, those are what she wants. Like I said, you talk to her and figure it out. I'm just trying to help out. I disagree with her request for all photos, but younger sisters never listen to older brothers, thats the way of the world.

[tim]

Perhaps you could gently educate her that most really good photographers will pass her over rather than meeting her demands.

In my experience a Q9 or Q10 JPG looks the same as a TIFF, even printed 30" wide, you don't even need Q12. All my wedding albums are printed from JPG files, though I use PSD in some places so there's not multiple save/open cycles on a JPG. Use whatever you like though.

[cosmicreality]

I agree with Tim on most of his points. It's unfair to ask an established photographer for their rejected and/or unedited photographs - it's not much different than asking a chef for a half prepared meal.

Unfortunately, the customer is not always right. Even if we try to help them feel that they are.

[Mike]

I agree with Tim too. I would only hand over final fully edited jpegs to my clients. The shots that don't make the final selection are binned and there's no way those would be seen by anyone except maybe my wife who helps with the cull (she can see from a bride's perspective!). Also, the RAW's remain mine and no-one else's.
I would give only jpegs too, not tiffs. I have printed up to A2 from 8mp jpegs no problem. The only difference that I notice between the 2 formats is about an extra 40mb in file size!

[form]

Yes most really good photographers would probably tell her no. On the other hand, someone like me would jump on the opportunity to do what that kind of client wants. It's too bad I'm in Las Vegas, NV.

My standard service is CD/DVD of retouched JPG images, with no albums, prints or proof books. That's what I offer normally, so it's a perfect fit. I normally don't provide the original untouched images, but I can and do make occasional exceptions. If you want to spend more time and effort doing it yourself, who am I to argue?

There would be no added effort for me to convert the RAWs to TIFF instead of JPG, so I would have no objection to doing that - but they would be absolutely humongous files, especially in 16-bit format, a 10:1 ratio compared to the JPG version. DNG might be a better idea, though I've never worked with them.

[fishfoto]

I completely disagree with you regarding TIFF vs JPEG. IQ is noticeably in my experience between JPEG and TIFF and the printer I use prefers I provide TIFF.

As far as demands, those are what she wants. Like I said, you talk to her and figure it out. I'm just trying to help out. I disagree with her request for all photos, but younger sisters never listen to older brothers, thats the way of the world.


If the photographer she works with shoots in JPEG, what is the point in converting and delivering them in TIF?

I am a JPEG shooter. My Nikon D1 (2.7mp) JPEG images at one point were used by a major University for a series of billboard display ads along I-91 in 2001. As a JEPG shooter I produced a series of images for corporation that spanned 60ft in length for a single display ad......the file was obviously delivered in JPEG. In the spring you'll see some of my JPEG images in a few locations in Boston on billboards for another educational institution.

I have been using digital bodies professionally since the early 90s. I have overseen the conversion from film to digital for five newspapers, five magazines, been heavily involved in the conversion to digital for an Olympic Commitee and a major television network. Yes, RAW/TIF have some advantages, as well as some disadvatages, same with JPEG, however asking a JPEG shooter to convert to TIF is time consuming and produces no benefit in results.

[NC_Photo]

My sister is getting married next year, and has asked me to help her find a photographer. (she doesn't know photog speak and is afraid of not getting what she wants)

Okay, this confuses me. She doesn't know "photog speak" yet she wants RAW images? Does she even know what that is or how to work with them? How does she plan on taking those RAW images and editing them?

Anyway, I think she'll have a hard time finding a photographer willing to take on all of her requests....unless she wants to pay an arm and a leg for them.

[Wedding Photography]

I would like to help if I would live in that area. But unfortunately I don´t.

[noxcuses1]

I doubt many people would take her up on that wonderful offer, I wouldn't if I was in the area. The list of demands indicates someone who's quite picky and might not be so good to work with, and with not wanting any products that limits the amount of income from the wedding. TIFFs are unnecessary, i'd offer them if there's a good reason, otherwise JPG are fine. I would not offer all the unedited photos. I overshoot and cull so I can present the best of the images, culling is a service, and it saves customers wading through ten very photos to pick the best one. Color correction and post processing let me present my work the way I want it presented, and there's no way anyone gets the rejects.

I suggest you either hire a photographer with little experience who will cave in on the demands, or drop the unreasonable demands and hire someone good.



EXACTLY!