Huge difference between Nikon and Canon?

[jjaenagle]

What do you guys think? There are some that are comparable to each other with a few differences, but are there huge differences? Picture quaility? What makes you a die hard Canonian?

What about quality of accessories, lenses, body, or whatever?

i have had nikon and canon point and shoots... and i like both... if it wasnt for the price of the xsi, i would have gotten the nikon d60... if the d90 were cheaper, i would probably have gotten that... lol yea i'm cheap.

Now i know how much is involved in photography... but i just want to know a little more

[flyboy89]

I actually did buy the D90 for a while and was trying to sell my Canon stuff to help defray the cost of the equipment. I also bought the 50 mm 1.8 and a 70 - 300 VR (IS) 4 - 5.6 so it was like 2k total. I started to realize that there were lots of really neat features I wished the canon had like the auto ISO so if I chose 60 - and f4 it would just vary between iso 200 - and 6400 or whatever range you specify to keep those settings. There were also lots of settings for the built in flash as well as built in wireless flash control.
The reason I ended up returning the camera was because there were not as many inexpensive, yet good lens choices as with the canon and I thought I would just buy the 17 - 40 L and the 70 - 200 F4 non IS with the money I had spent. The store I bought it from would give you more money if you traded rather than just took cash back. So I wish I had not tried to switch over, but I'm glad it was a forced opportunity to get some sweet L glass.

I feel that there are more choices for Canon.

[egordon99]

I shot Pentax for a few years, but wanted a better "system" and better autofocus. It was a toss up between Canon and Nikon. I actually prefered Nikon's bodies (very similar ergonomics as Pentax), but it was all about the lens selection for me. I carefully mapped everything out, and I found I was able to get much more "bang for my buck" going with the 40D and Canon lenses. There is NO 70-200mm f/4 IS equivalent for Nikon, and their 85mm primes are not AF-S. It didn't take me long to get used to working with the 40D, so no regrets there. I always like seeing what the other brands are doing, and Nikon has really stepped up their game with the D3/700 (and even the D300), but their lens selection is still a bit lacking compared to Canon.

[egordon99]

Oh, and I still think Nikon was stoopid for removing the AF motor in the D40/D40(x)/D60. I understand they did it for cost savings, but it's heartbreaking seeing a D60 owner start to get really interested in photography, and learn their choices in fast (budget) autofocusing primes are somewhat limited.

[MaDProFF]

I have never owned a Nikon, but I read a lot, and at present I would say, Nikon have the bodies, Canon have the glass, except a fast long tele, and UWA for a FF, or 1.3 crop.
certainly the D300, D700, are really good value

At present I cannot see it changing for a while, the new 5D is all about IQ, and MP, It will get really interesting though when Canon update the 1 Series :)

[gjl711]

I have never owned a Nikon, but I read a lot, and at present I would say, Nikon have the bodies, Canon have the glass, ..
That’s definitely true at the higher price points, but I believe Canon owns the lower ½ of the body market. Nikon has never had anything that competed well with the XT, XTi, Xsi and I’d even say the xxD series as well especially in IQ and noise control. Nikon changed that when they started using CMOS sensors and I’m sure it will trickle down to the entry lever cameras soon but Canon still rules at the entry level.

[jjaenagle]

OK thanks for the input... to be honest i didn't do any researching besides what the camera body/kit came with. I didnt know there were so much to it.

the only thing i knew was that there were more options with canon lenses. i have noticed that canon lenses also come a little cheaper and they have really good low cost lenses that do very well.

it sucks for flyboy to go through all the changes, but at least you have experienced both!

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when i compared the nikon d80 and the xsi, i would have chosen the d80 because i heard that it had more advanced features... the ones that mattered to pros... but im glad that the price went down on my canon!!!

[MaDProFF]

That’s definitely true at the higher price points, but I believe Canon owns the lower ½ of the body market. Nikon has never had anything that competed well with the XT, XTi, Xsi and I’d even say the xxD series as well especially in IQ and noise control. Nikon changed that when they started using CMOS sensors and I’m sure it will trickle down to the entry lever cameras soon but Canon still rules at the entry level.

Yes Sorry I was being a little snobbish, and only referring to the top end of the body market :(

[jetboy]

Honestly, from the review here http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos450d/ the comparisons photos were strongly in favor (imo and photo quality preferences) of the XSi. It was this review that actually sold me on buying the 450d. The Jpeg quality was actually the most noticable and surprisingly only comparison was the Sony Alpha. Price and new was a purchasing point for me, so no 40D or full frame. Just wanted a nice everyday shooter with sharp photos to fill in where my medium format slides are not needed. Plus a new baby means down and dirty quick pics. I am also shooting all in Raw where you will see the comparisons are more equal, but, the Jpeg option and quality was a seller for me. I would think you can adjust the noise reduction on the Nikons, but, I prefered the added sharpness from the Canon even if it meant a bit more noise. Then again, I still like the effect of grain on 800 or 1600 black and white film. If I'm going to reduce noise, that is what the 6x7 slide film does. Besides, even with the kit lens, the XSi is really hard to beat price wise and quality. But, I may be slightly bias :) . Here is quick snaps i was just messing around with since I've only had the camera for about a week and testing it out. These are both with the kit lens.

http://annechrissmith.smugmug.com/photos/416214469_ETVJQ-XL-1.jpg

http://annechrissmith.smugmug.com/photos/416214296_JVySt-XL-1.jpg

[pieq314]

What do you guys think? There are some that are comparable to each other with a few differences, but are there huge differences? Picture quaility? What makes you a die hard Canonian?

What about quality of accessories, lenses, body, or whatever?

i have had nikon and canon point and shoots... and i like both... if it wasnt for the price of the xsi, i would have gotten the nikon d60... if the d90 were cheaper, i would probably have gotten that... lol yea i'm cheap.

Now i know how much is involved in photography... but i just want to know a little more

For the same price, Canon cameras and lenses are better.

Or equivalently, for the same functionality, Canon cameras and lenses are cheaper.

If you compare a more expensive Nikon camera with a cheaper Canon camera, you could end up with a result that Nikon camera is better than the cheaper Canon camera. Same for lenses.

[packpe89]

I've considered the switch, love the high iso on the d300, but haven't since Canon has much more affordable high end options. I shoot alot of sports and the C 85/1.8 & 300/f4 focuses much faster than the N versions. No equivalent of the 17-40/4 & 70-200/4.

People talk about Nikons ergonimics, but I know how to use my Canons and have been lost trying to figure out a frinds Nikon. Not saying Canon is better, just saying my knowlege of Canon makes it better for me.

[egordon99]

If I had unlimited funds, I would be content with two D3s and the 24-70/70-200VR combo :)

[Lowner]

It always used to be said that Canon made better telephoto glass and Nikon better wide. This may still be true but I've never used the Nikon quality stuff so am unable to judge.

It's certainly true that Canon have slipped slightly behind Nikon recently in some aspects. Nikons are easier to handle, less wading through menu's and custom functions by the million to find what you want. They tend to have a more confident AF system in their top of the range and mid range stuff than Canon. And lastly, they have a slightly better handle on the high ISO noise. And I could lock my mirror up if I used a Nikon (Canon - Are you listening?)!

BUT! This will change. Because Canon cannot afford to let this situation remain. I can remember only a few years ago it was Nikon playing catch-up. And in reality, the differences are fairly minor when alls said and done.

[kevindar]

Not a huge difference.
Canon has better long lenses, and some higher quality primes, albeit at a cost. Also, the equivalent lenses generally cost more on Nikon.
Nikon has nicer more useful features. the d700 for me is a perfect camera (I am a 5D shooter) and I would pick it up in a heartbeat if I did not have to switch lenses. If you are a landscape shooter, the d700 combined with 14-24 is a sweet combination. That lens maybe the best ultrawide zoom lens ever designed. Canon, please take note.

[pieq314]

And lastly, they have a slightly better handle on the high ISO noise.

I do not think so. For existing cameras, 1D Mk III is almost as good as Nikon D3 even though in terms of sensor size, 1D Mk III is close to that of Nikon D300. So per sensor area wise, Canon can beat Nikon easily. (To test it, Canon's 1Ds Mk III should beat Nikon's D3 at ISO 3200 when printed on same size paper, of course, not pixel peeping).

(D300's sensor is 25% smaller, while D3's is 69% bigger. So a fairer noise comparison to see the sensor technologies between the two manufacturers would be comparing 1D Mk III with D300.)

Canon's new 5D Mk II beats Nikon D700/D3 at ISO 25600 by close to 1 stop in my opinion, judging from photos posted on the Internet.


And I could lock my mirror up if I used a Nikon (Canon - Are you listening?)!

Canon listened, and it is in 5D Mk II.

[nphsbuckeye]

If you enable live view, you can press "set" and it acts as MLU. But I guess complaining about no dedicated button is more fun.

[krb]

And I could lock my mirror up if I used a Nikon (Canon - Are you listening?)!
A button for MLU would be nice to have but selecting it from the menu isn't that difficult of a task.

[jjaenagle]

whats MLU?

[5Dmaniac]

MLU= Mirror Lock Up

[krb]

Mirror Lock Up

[jjaenagle]

ah ok... lol sorry guys. I haven't done that feature yet.

[Lowner]

nphsbuckeye,

"If you enable live view, you can press "set" and it acts as MLU. But I guess complaining about no dedicated button is more fun".

Well, there is that! But on my 30D it is a nightmare. You have the same sort of system that the new 50D has I assume? Even that does not satisfy me though, I want a button with MLU printed on it.

[Lowner]

pieq314,

Every UK magazine I've picked up that has tested the top end Nikons against top end Canons has said this. I've even read it here in 1Ds mk3 threads, so while I've not got the cash to test it myself I tend to trust this developing concensus about the AF consistency and High ISO noise issues.

I'm not having a go at Canon. Far from it. Canon and Nikon competing with each other for larger shares of the market can only be good news for us, as long as one does not steal a march that the other cannot claw back. Canon are a large enough company for that not be an issue I'd have thought.

[hofajoab]

Never tried Canon.. not sure if i will in the future but there's nothing about Nikon i don't like, or nothing i wish i had (apart from some nice lenses that i can't afford)! lol

As for the lack of AF motor on the D40/D60 etc.. It's not particularly a bad move for Nikon, its users, yeah. The way i see it they've taken the AF motor out, entry level cameras are cheaper, the users buy 'better' lenses with AF motors because they don't want to MF (don't think about that too much when purchasing the body) and that's them practically locked into Nikon as they've invested good money in good lenses.

I don't know, I'm just sayin'

I do ant a play with a Canon though, just to get a feel.

[Riktar]

Bear with me as this post will be a long one.


I have shot with a 300D, 450d, 40D, Sigma SD14, and Nikon D90. Lens use is as follows:


Canon:
50mm f/1.8 - 2nd gen “plastic fantastic”
18-55mm IS
17-55mm f/2.8 IS
85mm f/1.8
70-200mm f/2.8 IS
28-135mm IS Sigma:
17-70mm f/2.8-4.5
30mm f/1.4
50mm f/2.8
18-200mm OS
24-60mm f/2.8Nikon:
18-105mm VR Flash:
Canon 430EX
Canon 580 EX II
Sigma EF-500 DG Super
Nikon SB600 Note: I do not have all the equipment listed above. Because I am not made of money I had to pick and choose (Pronounced buy and sell) specific items in my gear list above.


When I do a (albeit limited from a gear standpoint) comparison between the D90 and the Canon stuff I am left with the impression that Nikon does not compete head to head with Canon. Rather they aim for the “gaps” in between Canon's model line up.
Biggest objective example is the D90. It has more features than the Xsi but less than the 40D/50D. The price point also reflects that “in the middle” point.

I feel this is deliberate on Nikon's part since they do not want to (or from a money standpoint be able to) go up against the muscle of Canon's marketing department.


That being said, here is my subjective analysis comparing the D90 with 18-105mm VR lens to a 40D with a 17-55mm f/2.8 IS lens shooting a wedding.
Canon setup had a 580EX II and the Nikon counterpart was a SB600 in the flash department.

The before ceremony shots were in the hotel rooms of the complex, the ceremony was shot in an small auditorium with no natural light, posed shots after the ceremony were done in a nearby park on a sunny day, and the reception was in your typical hall.


To further set this up I will say that the circumstances leading to the acquisition of the Nikon gear were such that I had to make a “snap” purchase the night before I was shooting a wedding as a 2nd banana photographer. This post will be long enough without me getting into the “why” aspect of acquisition.


The principle photographer was using a 40D with a 17-55mm f/2.8 IS and 85mm f/1.8 prime.


The subsequent results from the canon 40D setup were similar to what I was used to seeing from my experience with that body. So I am comfortable with my comparison.


Here goes my take,


Handling: From a sheer mass standpoint I prefer the 40D over the D90. Adding a grip to the Nikon might negate my preference.


Control layout: Initially the D90 felt a bit clumsy. If I was going at this from an opposite direction the same could be said about trying the 40D for the first time. I have gotten used to the D90's secondary wheel being underneath the shutter release and no longer take any “unplanned” pictures. And now that I have gone through a few thousand images the controls feel more natural. I am not saying the D90 controls are better. Rather I have gotten used to it's layout. When you hear others say that “The controls are confusing/not as good/whatever” when they compare camera A to camera B it is more from initial reaction than experience over time.
Heck I am sure that when I drive my next car the controls may not be the same as what I am used to on my present ride. But for cripes sake, you do get used to it. In retrospect I find some things better on the D90 as much as the stuff I miss on the 40D. But I will not get into specifics since the preference is more personal in nature.


Features: I was struck by the accuracy of the metering system the D90 uses. From my standpoint the D90 will net you ok to good pictures with less effort. Basically in those “whip from the hip” shots the D90 yielded a better result. But don't kid yourself into thinking that this translates into easier “oh wow” quality. You still have to adhere to the rules of light and composition to nail that kind of shot.

In terms of writing time to the memory, battery life, flash recycle times, and getting the shot I did see any appreciable difference between the cameras. I will say that the battery life on the D90 was slightly better than the 40D. At the (roughly) 700+ shot range the 40D required a battery change whereas I still had gas left in the tank. But in reality you can plan for that necessity going from one part of the event to the next. And once you know the limits of your equipment you can act accordingly. And yes I know the 40D beats the D90 in frame rate. But shooting with a flash negates the difference since both systems would be hard pressed to have the flash keep up with the camera at 4.5 fps, much less 6.5fps.


The Nikon (D90) auto ISO system is much better than it's Canon (40D) counterpart. I am sure that Canon will implement an improved method on later models but for now the D90 beats out the 40D on that point.


Picture quality: I am probably going to get blasted for this, but here goes. The Nikon was able to yield good (And slightly better high ISO shots than the 40D at comparable ISO settings) but at the expense of grainier images. Not noise mind you, but grain. This could be a result of using the “kit” lens rather than a “pro” grade. Along the lines of what a “kit” 18-55mm IS lens will give you compared to a 17-55mm f/2.8 IS lens. I will look at getting better grade glass for the D90 and re evaluate the image quality. If I extrapolate from my experience with the Canon lenses mentioned I would assume that the images would be just as clean from the Nikon with better glass mounted to it. Time (and my pocket book) will tell.
For now I will estimate that the images would be comparable (in terms of that grain I mentioned) if the 18-55mm IS kit lens would have been used (Instead of the 17-55mm f/2.8 IS) on the 40D.


Along the line of lens choice: Canon has a MUCH bigger selection than anybody. If you need to get a lens for a very specific application the Canon lineup will have a much finer target to aim for. But that is not to say that you could not accomplish the same (If not damn close) result with Nikon glass. And of course there is also enough 3rd party glass to help in the decision. And the difference in price is pretty subjective from a value standpoint when you (quickly) realize that you are getting into the 4 figure (maybe 5 figure?) range of dollars to achieve a “complete” set of lenses.


In conclusion I find the D90 was money well spent and if I had to do it all over again I would still have picked the D90 over my other choices. Especially in my “on the fly” budget considerations at the moment.


I may be missing something here and there and will probably have those “misses” outlined in subsequent posts that follow.


And I also realize that I am citing 2 specific models rather than doing a comparison of the platforms in general.


So take this as a one off example of your global question.

[nphsbuckeye]

nphsbuckeye,

"If you enable live view, you can press "set" and it acts as MLU. But I guess complaining about no dedicated button is more fun".

Well, there is that! But on my 30D it is a nightmare. You have the same sort of system that the new 50D has I assume? Even that does not satisfy me though, I want a button with MLU printed on it.
I have the 40D.

So, you want two MLU buttons? The Live View works very well, so why would a separate button be needed if it accomplishes the same mission?

[Lowner]

Cos I have never liked the Canon method of hiding things behind a menu when a button would have it at my fingertips. Its not a new idea, cameras have had MLU buttons on them as long as they've had mirrors, its only that Canon believe its far more important we have a da*m direct print button.

[nphsbuckeye]

I agree that the DPB needs to go. But for people with Live View, there is a one touch MLU button.

[ryanyboy]

Great stuff Riktar - really helpful and a great read. Much appreciated.

I must admit I'm really open minded at the moment on both systems so more "real world" opinions like Riktar's would be great.

[sandpiper]

No there isn't a huge difference. There are differences between the two, but nothing that really makes one brand 'better' than the other one, in any significant degree.

It's like comparing BMW with Mercedes, or Ferrari with Porsche, both make highly competent cars but have differing philosophies. Each brand has it's fans, Ferrari lovers won't generally consider getting a Porsche and vice versa. Whichever you buy though, it will get the job done.

You pick the brand that most appeals to you (on a range of levels - features, ergonomics, range of glass etc.) and get that. Either will take excellent pictures. Nikons are perhaps a bit more 'feature rich' (or gimmick laden, depending on your point of view) at the moment.

Interestingly, just before the Canon 5D mkII was announced, I read a magazine review on the Nikon D700. All they really had to compare it to was the three year old 5D. They concluded that (naturally) the D700 had a lot more features, as several weren't around when the 5D was introduced. However, they also said that the 5D was still up to the IQ standard of the D700 and even had the edge with landscape photography.

Don't think that you have to have the latest and greatest camera, with all the latest toys, in order to get great results. I am still perfectly happy with my four year old 20D and three year old 5D. There are some features on the newer 50D and 5D mkII that I wouldn't mind, but none I really need and nothing that will suddenly make a marked improvement in my images. In another 18 months or so, once prices have fallen, I may upgrade but I suspect that it will wait until I have a camera failure / loss.

Draw up a list of the things you really want out of a camera body / system, then see which company fulfills those needs / wants best.

[JeffreyG]

If you enable live view, you can press "set" and it acts as MLU. But I guess complaining about no dedicated button is more fun.


Uh huh. So what do I press on my 5D to do this?

[Perry Ge]

Uh huh. So what do I press on my 5D to do this?
Press Menu.

Then find custom functions, then press 'set', then go to the MLU Cfn, then press 'set' after toggling it to 'enable'.

:lol::lol::lol:

[Riktar]

Great stuff Riktar - really helpful and a great read. Much appreciated.

I must admit I'm really open minded at the moment on both systems so more "real world" opinions like Riktar's would be great.
Thanks for the kind words.

Went to your website. Great wedding pics.

What set up (Body and lens) did you use for the planes pics in the Duxford 90th shoot?

[nphsbuckeye]

Uh huh. So what do I press on my 5D to do this?
Well, since a 5D doesn't have Live View, it doesn't count.:p

[AndreaBFS]

My main dislike of Nikon is the menu system and the placement of the top wheel on the front of the camera as opposed to the top. I'm not sure where it is on all models, but on my mom's D80 it's in a ridiculous spot.

[TristanCardew]

My main dislike of Nikon is the menu system and the placement of the top wheel on the front of the camera as opposed to the top. I'm not sure where it is on all models, but on my mom's D80 it's in a ridiculous spot.

I'd say that's quite subjective. If you're not used to it, of course it's going to seem strange, but for me, having shot Nikon since I got into photography, I find Canon's on-top wheel hard to work with.

To say it's in a ridiculous spot is rather close-minded, seeing as there are a huge number of Canon users out there who actually prefer that placement...

[thekid24]

Gimme a Nikon...Gimme a Canon...Ill still produce some kickass shots.
Im that good...BOOYAH!
Thats how I see the whole NIKON/CANON dispute:D

[AndreaBFS]

I'd say that's quite subjective. If you're not used to it, of course it's going to seem strange, but for me, having shot Nikon since I got into photography, I find Canon's on-top wheel hard to work with.

To say it's in a ridiculous spot is rather close-minded, seeing as there are a huge number of Canon users out there who actually prefer that placement...

Gee, I must have forgotten to identify the statement as my opinion.

:::read read:::::

Oh.. hmm. No, there it is.. where I said "my" -- that implied it was my opinion, which I think is all I can draw on. Apologies for not speaking for YOU instead, but I figured you could handle that on your own. :rolleyes:

[qtfsniper]

Gee, I must have forgotten to identify the statement as my opinion.

:::read read:::::

Oh.. hmm. No, there it is.. where I said "my" -- that implied it was my opinion, which I think is all I can draw on. Apologies for not speaking for YOU instead, but I figured you could handle that on your own. :rolleyes:

Coming off as a fanatic isn't going to help either when you're throwing around words like ridiculous. Just imagine saying that to the guy next to you holding a Nikon when you are out shooting, pointing out that the button placement is rediculous and it's garbage. What kind of response are you looking to get? And to the topic, I'll admit I favor Nikons over canon, just because I started with them (along with pixel peep and want to have the greatest and the best tech out, even at a premium cost) but in the long run, it won't really matter. In some cases the tech helps out and it's nice to get a little bit more IQ in a shot, but in most cases the camera is limited by the photographer.

[Jason Moon]

I don't think there is a huge difference really. I do think that Canon tends to provide you better "highlights" with your photographs and Nikon seems to produce better "shadows". This has just been my basic observation between the two systems based on experience using both at one time or the other.

[darosk]

If I had the cash, I'd buy both Canon and Nikon - then I'd learn how to work the Nikon system and be camera-bi-lingual - or ambi-camera-dextrous.

Or something. :)

[AndreaBFS]

Coming off as a fanatic isn't going to help either when you're throwing around words like ridiculous. Just imagine saying that to the guy next to you holding a Nikon when you are out shooting, pointing out that the button placement is rediculous and it's garbage. What kind of response are you looking to get?

:lol: Huh? Help what exactly? If a Nikon shooter came up to me and said, "hey, why don't you like Nikon?" I'd say the same thing. The question was asked and I answered it. Get a grip -- it's just a camera. If your feelings are hurt over the fact that some random person on the internet, in direct answer to a question, said that they don't like the placement of a dial, that's not healthy. Seriously.

And exactly who called it garbage? I missed that response, but you should probably talk to that person separately instead of lumping the response in with mine. :rolleyes:

Oh dear.. you said you favor Nikon over Canon. Now I'm crushed. If I ever get over it, I just really need to get around to calling my mom and letting her know that her camera dial is in a ridiculous place. Gosh, I hope we can still see each other at Thanksgiving after I deliver that crushing blow! :lol:

Seriously? ME a fanatic? That's rich.

[thekid24]

Shouldnt the banter be left in PM? Ruining the thread

[hofajoab]

banter is light-hearted and playful.. not what we have here :lol:

[dave kadolph]

Cambidextrous--LOL---I love it!

Stanley--Williams--Proto--Dewalt--Milwaukee--Canon--Nikon--Sony--------------and the list goes on.

A skilled craftsman can produce excellent results with about any tool.

It all boils down to personal taste and budget--IMHO ;)

[qtfsniper]

:lol: Huh? Help what exactly? If a Nikon shooter came up to me and said, "hey, why don't you like Nikon?" I'd say the same thing. The question was asked and I answered it. Get a grip -- it's just a camera. If your feelings are hurt over the fact that some random person on the internet, in direct answer to a question, said that they don't like the placement of a dial, that's not healthy. Seriously.

And exactly who called it garbage? I missed that response, but you should probably talk to that person separately instead of lumping the response in with mine. :rolleyes:

Oh dear.. you said you favor Nikon over Canon. Now I'm crushed. If I ever get over it, I just really need to get around to calling my mom and letting her know that her camera dial is in a ridiculous place. Gosh, I hope we can still see each other at Thanksgiving after I deliver that crushing blow! :lol:

Seriously? ME a fanatic? That's rich.

Oh thanks, I wasn't the original poster you were talking to. I was shedding light on why he responded in the way he did. I could care less if you're crushed that I prefer Nikon over Canon. It's like people wearing Nikes Vs Adidas. I couldn't care less what **** you wear on your feet. They do the same thing. Thanks for coming off an ******* though. I thought you were one of the more respectable new posters, guess I was wrong. Some people take this way too seriously with branding. Oh and just to add, I dont shoot a Nikon either. I use a Sony A700.

[Perry Ge]

*Sigh* Another Nikon v Canon thread down the drain. It IS possible to have these discussions while remaining civil y'know? This is a friendly forum, let's keep it that way.

I sense immanent death for this thread.

[Jamie Holladay]

Ok here it is: I have a friend that is a Nikon Rep, a mentor that shoots Canon and one that shoots Nikon, All three of them produce great images and pay their bills. Ansal Adams could have used a disposible camera with the same results (had disposable cameras existed when he was shooting).

That being said, if you want to make comparisons between the two fine. If you want to see whose "UH HUH" is bigger than whoms DON'T. Healthy debate is a good thing and encouraged. Heated debate is not. The next time this thread hits the armaco it goes to the Hauler, keep it on track.

Thanks for playing.

[hofajoab]

You know the front wheel.. it can be a bugger (i'm a Nikon guy) when the rubber on the grip comes loose at the edges and sort of stretches.. it gets in the way of turning the dial. My D200 has had a lot of use (and abuse), had to trim the rubber a bit and glue it back down.

I like the placement of the dial though - different strokes for different folks.