soccer picture gone bad!

[juscause]

Any suggestions why this picture turned out like this. I had numerous others turn out the same way. I tried everything I could think of to no avail. i had excellent sunlight at my back. Below is the EXIF info

Thanks!


File size: 220115 bytes (1536x1024, 1.1bpp, 21x)
EXIF Summary: 1/320s f/4.0 ISO400 260mm

Camera-Specific Properties:

Equipment Make: Canon
Camera Model: Canon EOS-1D Mark II N

Image-Specific Properties:

Image Orientation: Top, Left-Hand
Horizontal Resolution: 72 dpi
Vertical Resolution: 72 dpi
Image Created: 2008:11:15 15:06:45
Exposure Time: 1/320 sec
F-Number: f/4.0
Exposure Program: Manual
ISO Speed Rating: 400
Lens Aperture: f/4.0
Exposure Bias: 0 EV
Metering Mode: Pattern
Flash: No Flash, Compulsory
Focal Length: 260.00 mm
Color Space Information: sRGB
Image Width: 1536
Image Height: 1024
Rendering: Normal
Exposure Mode: Manual
White Balance: Auto
Scene Capture Type: Standard

Other Properties:

Resolution Unit: i
Exif IFD Pointer: 175
Exif Version: 2.21
Image Generated: 2008:11:15 15:06:45
Image Digitized: 2008:11:15 15:06:45
Shutter Speed: 1/332 sec
Focal Plane Horiz Resolution: 3098 dpi
Focal Plane Vert Resolution: 3098 dpi
Focal Plane Res Unit: i

[heycow]

Do you have one from the same set that isn't over exposed? What's the EXIF from that one?

[Canon_For_Life]

You just over-exposed it, it looks like it was a pretty bright, sunny day and you had it at 1/320 ss, iso 400 and F4.

Next time try somthing more like 1/800 ss, iso 400 and F4, even then it will be a bit bright. ;)

[HighPixel]

YEP! Too much light for those settings...especially in the sun.Do what ^^^^ said!
Good Luck!
HP

[watchtherocks]

Why are you shooting manual if you don't how how to expose properly?

[jcpoulin]

were you borrowing someones Mark2N....you list a 20D as your gear?...Simple over-exposure.
Watch....play nice, he/she is new I assume.

[Canon_For_Life]

Why are you shooting manual if you don't how how to expose properly?

Because on a 1D Mark IIN, manual is the only option. There is no TV, AV, P, ect...

[TopGear1Ds]

Because on a 1D Mark IIN, manual is the only option. There is no TV, AV, P, ect...
That's not true at all..

All 1D series bodies have M, Tv, Av, P

[Canon_For_Life]

Oops:o

Do you have to change modes in the menu? I wish I would have known that when I used a friends 1DIII :lol:

[TopGear1Ds]

haha, no worries. I had to ask how to change the metering mode the first time I used a 1-series too. It's a lot different than any of the xxD/xxxD's

To change everything from af, iso, drive, shooting modes, ect, you press and hold the indicated button(s) on the top left of the body while scrolling the top wheel.

[Canon_For_Life]

Haha, ya when I first started using it I was SO lost, I couldnt even figure out how to turn on the screen!! :lol:
And the guy wasnt there to show me, so I basically had to guess on some things without messing it up haha. I never noticed the button to change modes though :lol:

[Red73]

Below is a shot with info of my son playing soccer on a sunny day. Lower ISO, shot wide open and higher shutter speed are the main differences between the 2 shots.

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m310/Red73_01/IMG_22498X10f-1.jpg

File Size: 472 kb - 800 x 641
Camera Make: Canon
Camera Model: Canon EOS 5D
Date/Time: 2008:09:20 10:06:50
Resolution: 800 x 641
Flash Used: No
Focal Length: 200.0mm (35mm equivalent: 263...
CCD Width: 27.39mm
Exposure Time: 0.0001 s (1/8000)
Aperture: f/2.8
ISO Equiv.: 250
Whitebalance: Auto
Metering Mode: spot
Exposure: Manual
Exposure Mode: Manual
Exposure Mode: Auto bracketing

[DHancock]

Why are you shooting manual if you don't how how to expose properly?

One reason would be to learn how to expose properly. But when you get a bad shot, like this one, you would change settings and reshoot and find correct settings. But knowing some basics of what each setting does and how exposure is changed when they are modified is needed.

[tkfoto]

Well, remember the golden sunny16 rule rule of thumb...

Bright sun, start with f16 and your shutter speed approximately 1/ISO
For example... 100 iso, 1/100 to 1/125 shutter.

By that rule, with 400 ISO, you should've been at ~ 1/400 shutter, give or take.
You were fairly close at 320. But you were at F4, not F16 - 4 stops overexposed.

400 / 1/320 / F4 would be about right with a dark gray sky - as in just about to thunderstorm.

[juscause]

Thank you for all the input. It's great. I did upgrade to the 1D and am learning on the fly. The one challenge I find is with no fully auto mode, with AP or TV you still need to choose ISO. That is where I find i run into problems. Same thing this summer with Maui sunsets.

The attached was taken the same day with good success.


Camera-Specific Properties:

Equipment Make: Canon
Camera Model: Canon EOS-1D Mark II N


Image-Specific Properties:

Image Orientation: Top, Left-Hand
Horizontal Resolution: 72 dpi
Vertical Resolution: 72 dpi
Image Created: 2008:11:21 13:30:22
Exposure Time: 1/400 sec
F-Number: f/2.8
Exposure Program: Manual
ISO Speed Rating: 200
Lens Aperture: f/2.8
Exposure Bias: 0 EV
Metering Mode: Pattern
Flash: No Flash, Compulsory
Focal Length: 120.00 mm
Color Space Information: sRGB
Image Width: 1536
Image Height: 1024
Rendering: Normal
Exposure Mode: Manual
White Balance: Auto
Scene Capture Type: Standard

[tkfoto]

Odd.

Your .sig shows only the 70-200 lens, yet the first post says you're using a 260mm focal length....

You using a TC?

[jacuff]

i had excellent sunlight at my back.


I shoot sports in manual mode most of the time and use the Sunny 16 rule. Based on your shots, that rule states that when you have a front lit subject (sun at your back) your aperture will be f/16 and shutter speed at 1/ISO. So you should have been f/16 1/400 at ISO 400. At ISO 400 and f/4, your shutter speed should have been around 1/6400. I'm assuming you were using the 70-200mm f/2.8L. I would have probably shoot ISO 100, f/2.8, and 1/3200. If you want a little more depth of field, ISO 100, f/5.6, and 1/800 would still have been plenty enough to stop the action.

[jacuff]

Odd.

Your .sig shows only the 70-200 lens, yet the first post says you're using a 260mm focal length....

You using a TC?

Some EXIF programs will take into account the 1.3x crop factor of the camera body. Hence... 200mm x 1.3 = 260mm

[tkfoto]

The attached was taken the same day with good success.



You'll note that the numbers shown on this second shot...

ISO 200
F 2.8
Shutter 1/400

are effectively set for ~ 1/3 stop less light from the first shot - a VERY small difference...the original shot was:

ISO 400 (one stop faster than ISO 200)
F 4.0 (one stop slower than f2.8 - cancels out the ISO)
Shutter 1/320 - just slightly faster

The difference is the first shot is clearly under bright sun - note the sharply defined shadows...

The second shot is heavily overcast - neutral lighting, zero shadow.

So like I said - the camera was trying to get very nearly the same exposure from 2 very different lighting situations...

[eigga]

the camera was trying to get very nearly the same exposure

The camera doesnt "get" exposure in manual... you have to tell it what you want... If this was AV then there would be an issue


Any suggestions why this picture turned out like this

So the answer you need to hear is you overexposed. Start with AV until you understand a little more about exposure. You camera should do fairly well at exposing in most situations. As you learn more move to manual when the light is consistent. Aslo when in AV its helpful to know how to adjust the exposure compensation (EC) typically adjusting this slightly will help AV nail the exposure ...for what its worth Im almost always +1/3 when in AV mode

[SnapLocally.com]

I wish someone just handed me a MkII when I was learning photography.

[aldek123]

Under sunny conditions try 1/1200, 1/1600, or even 1/2000 s to get crisp sharp photos. In addition to your exposure problem 1/320 s is not fast enough to stop action in soccer. Also over exposure problem, if present, typically increases with too high ISO settings.

[TopGear1Ds]

Thank you for all the input. It's great. I did upgrade to the 1D and am learning on the fly. The one challenge I find is with no fully auto mode, with AP or TV you still need to choose ISO. That is where I find i run into problems.

I cringed a little to read that you have trouble with the 1DmkII because it doesn't have a 'green box' auto mode :(

... if you're going to invest thousands of dollars into your equipment, you should really learn at least the basics of exposure. It doesn't matter what kind of camera you have. If you don't know what you're doing, you won't get good results

[juscause]

I cringed a little to read that you have trouble with the 1DmkII because it doesn't have a 'green box' auto mode :(

... if you're going to invest thousands of dollars into your equipment, you should really learn at least the basics of exposure. It doesn't matter what kind of camera you have. If you don't know what you're doing, you won't get good results


Point taken TG. Although I would never normal shoot full auto, sometimes it can be helpful to go to school on what the camera decides is best for ISO, shutter, and ap, especially if you are learning. I started out with just taking hockey pictures in poorly lit arenas and have become fairly good.

Again thanks for all the comments. This week soccer pics were very good under same bright conditions.

[jbgeach]

Hey, Justcause, don't worry. We are all just a little jealous of your gear. If you shoot in manual mode, you need to look at the meter on the LCD. You want to adjust the aperture and shutter speed so that the needle is near the middle. But I agree with some of the other posters. When you start out, use the Av or Tv mode. The camera has a great meter and will do better than you for a while. For now, work on composition and lighting. The mechanics can be taken care of by the camera for now

[Mark Vuleta]

The attached was taken the same day with good success.


Camera-Specific Properties:


Image Created: 2008:11:21 13:30:22
Exposure Time: 1/400 sec
F-Number: f/2.8
Exposure Program: Manual
ISO Speed Rating: 200
Lens Aperture: f/2.8


EXIF Summary: 1/320s f/4.0 ISO400 260mm

Camera-Specific Properties:



Image Created: 2008:11:15 15:06:45
Exposure Time: 1/320 sec
F-Number: f/4.0
Exposure Program: Manual
ISO Speed Rating: 400
Lens Aperture: f/4.0
Exposure Mode: Manual


Also seem to be taken a week apart?

[RonnieA]

You need to learn how aperture, shutter speed and ISO play together - the triangle of exposure.

I recommend the book Understanding Exposure by Bryan Petersen.

[DC Fan]

Because on a 1D Mark IIN, manual is the only option. There is no TV, AV, P, ect...

The camera's instruction manual is available online. (http://gdlp01.c-wss.com/gds/0900000340/EOS-1DMKIINIM-EN.pdf) The manual shows that the instructions to change shooting modes are from pages 98-105. Program AE instructions are on pages 98-99.