Lee Filter Holder - made wrong?

[Anke]

Having lost my brand new Lee filter holder off the side of a bridge this week and now not wishing to lose my second. [EDIT: I did lose my second, in the same way!!!!]
Can anyone tell me why they are easy to pull off but hard to put on.
I think the drawing below explains it best.

http://www.ankehuber.plus.com/potn/lee.jpg

Like a door bolt mechanism, the wedge should enable the unit to be attached easily, not pulled off easily. I think it's the wrong way round, is it?

You have to pull the pin to put it on but can just tug the holder off to get it off.
It should be that it just clips on and you have to pull the pin to release.

[argyle]

Wow...sorry to hear about that. FWIW...I undid the brass clip on mine and reversed it, but the holder does not engage at all with the adapter ring since there's no way to reverse the ring. It needs to be as it is. However, is there a chance that you snagged yours on the bridge rail or something, or else bumped it somehow? The reason I ask is that mine takes a little bit of a pull to pry the holder off the ring. Turning the camera face down and holding it is not enough to cause the holder to come loose. I figured that I gave mine something in the neighborhood of a 1 to 2 pound force before the holder came loose.

[Anke]

You're right, it doesn't engage the other way around :( It seems like such a poor design to me. Cokin's design where it slides down is so much better.

Also, it was the lightest of touches, it just popped off.

[argyle]

You're right, it doesn't engage the other way around :( It seems like such a poor design to me. Cokin's design where it slides down is so much better.

Also, it was the lightest of touches, it just popped off.

Well, I've used both the Lee and Cokin and have the opposite opinion...those little plastic pins on the Cokin were a complete PITA to me. I've had the Lee for quite a while now (about 2 years) and have never had an issue with it ever falling off (and I've had it in some weird positions). It doesn't help your situation, but it could be just a one-time thing...

[bps]

My Lee filter holder has never popped off, but I'm going to look at my holder and compare it to your drawing once I get home. (I'm without my photography gear this weekend)

Bryan

[Anke]

I sure hope it is a one-time thing. A guy in a photo store I asked about it said he lost one out of a helicopter with a full compliment of filters, "it just fell of the end".

[jdizzle]

That's odd. I figure you just got a bad one Anke. I would return it and get another one. I've never run into issues with my Lee holder ever.

[Anke]

That's odd. I figure you just got a bad one Anke. I would return it and get another one. I've never run into issues with my Lee holder ever.

My first one is at the bottom of the River Cam in Cambridge, hence my annoyance at its rubbish design :D

Second one pulls off with the same kinda force too.

OK everyone, get pulling your Lee Filter Holders, see how easy it is?

[jdizzle]

Idk about doing that but, a filter holder isn't meant for pulling apart. :) I would call Lee and tell them about your situation. I'm sure they'll be interested with your issues.

[Anke]

Idk about doing that but, a filter holder isn't meant for pulling apart. :) I would call Lee and tell them about your situation. I'm sure they'll be interested with your issues.

You know, that is a jolly good idea, I'll do just that.

[argyle]

One question...are you using a Lee adapter ring or a knock-off from ebay? I've seen some knockoffs floating around and was curious. As I said, it takes a pretty good tug to get my holder to release from the Lee ring, which got me thinking about the ring. If it is a genuine Lee ring, contacting Lee would be a very good idea...maybe they can compensate you somehow under a warranty.

[NinetyEight]

I've never had a problem, but I can see how it could happen.

[Anke]

One question...are you using a Lee adapter ring or a knock-off from ebay? I've seen some knockoffs floating around and was curious. As I said, it takes a pretty good tug to get my holder to release from the Lee ring, which got me thinking about the ring. If it is a genuine Lee ring, contacting Lee would be a very good idea...maybe they can compensate you somehow under a warranty.

Nope, Lee, everything. I'm definitely giving Lee a buzz later to ask them about it.

[Lowner]

I have a problem with Lee, even though they are based within 20 miles of me. They are so off hand it's unbelievable.

Can you make a Cokin filter holder do the job? Whatever you think of their filters, the "P" screw-in holder is bulletproof on all three of my lenses.

[jdizzle]

I have a problem with Lee, even though they are based within 20 miles of me. They are so off hand it's unbelievable.

Can you make a Cokin filter holder do the job? Whatever you think of their filters, the "P" screw-in holder is bulletproof on all three of my lenses.
So what are the issues you're having with the holder?

[Anke]

I have a problem with Lee, even though they are based within 20 miles of me. They are so off hand it's unbelievable.

Can you make a Cokin filter holder do the job? Whatever you think of their filters, the "P" screw-in holder is bulletproof on all three of my lenses.

I thought about the Cokin Z holder, or even the Hitech holder but too the plunge on Lee because of the renowned quality.

[Lowner]

jdizzle,

Not me, I use Cokin. When I first decided to buy some grads I very politely approached Lee for information and they were downright rude on the phone. When I approached Cokin nothing was too much trouble. It's the difference between a UK company and a European one, here in the UK they think they can treat customers however they like.

Anke,

I understand the use of Lee filters, but if the sizes match, have a look at the equivalent Cokin holder. Regardless of what you think of Cokin filters, my holder has been bulletproof, so if your filters would fit into one, it at least gives you another option.

[Anke]

jdizzle,

Not me, I use Cokin. When I first decided to buy some grads I very politely approached Lee for information and they were downright rude on the phone. When I approached Cokin nothing was too much trouble. It's the difference between a UK company and a European one, here in the UK they think they can treat customers however they like.

Anke,

I understand the use of Lee filters, but if the sizes match, have a look at the equivalent Cokin holder. Regardless of what you think of Cokin filters, my holder has been bulletproof, so if your filters would fit into one, it at least gives you another option.

Thanks for the information. I'm looking forward to what Lee have to say about it.
I'm going to stick with Lee for a while, after all I did just sink about £150 into the holder and adaptors.

[jdizzle]

jdizzle,

Not me, I use Cokin. When I first decided to buy some grads I very politely approached Lee for information and they were downright rude on the phone. When I approached Cokin nothing was too much trouble. It's the difference between a UK company and a European one, here in the UK they think they can treat customers however they like.

Anke,

I understand the use of Lee filters, but if the sizes match, have a look at the equivalent Cokin holder. Regardless of what you think of Cokin filters, my holder has been bulletproof, so if your filters would fit into one, it at least gives you another option.
I see. I called Lee USA and they were pretty friendly with me and got what I needed from them. That's odd that they treat their customers like that.

[Anke]

Well I've dropped Lee UK an e-mail and pointed to this thread. I shall just wait and see what, if anything, they say.

[jdizzle]

I hope things work out for you Anke.

[Anke]

I hope things work out for you Anke.

Thanks, I'll let you know how it all turns out. Who knows, the factory might have stopped pressing as we speak and the designers been rushed in to fix the problem :)

[Anke]

OK, just received an e-mail from Lee:

The LEE holder is designed to come off of the ring, with a tug of reasonable force, so as to prevent the whole lot going over if the holder is snagged during use. It is possible that if you have 2 holders the same ( ie. come off very easily ), that the adaptor ring may be the problem - if you are happy to return the bits for my attention I can check this and make sure all is OK and get the bits back to you asap.

In our defence, I am sure you can imagine how many filter holders we sell in a year, and how many are out in the field being used regularly, and this is the first complaint of this type we have received for at least a couple of years. The design obviously works and I think you must have just been unlucky with an undersized ring.

I don't think it was the ring as it happened on both 82mm and 77mm but in any case they have agreed to compensate me with a nice filter, which I'm very pleased with, they didn't have to do that. Good result.

[Lester Wareham]

Keep us updated Anke. I know I have Lee short-listed for a NDG system myself.

[argyle]

OK, just received an e-mail from Lee:

The LEE holder is designed to come off of the ring, with a tug of reasonable force, so as to prevent the whole lot going over if the holder is snagged during use. It is possible that if you have 2 holders the same ( ie. come off very easily ), that the adaptor ring may be the problem - if you are happy to return the bits for my attention I can check this and make sure all is OK and get the bits back to you asap.

In our defence, I am sure you can imagine how many filter holders we sell in a year, and how many are out in the field being used regularly, and this is the first complaint of this type we have received for at least a couple of years. The design obviously works and I think you must have just been unlucky with an undersized ring.

I don't think it was the ring as it happened on both 82mm and 77mm but in any case they have agreed to compensate me with a nice filter, which I'm very pleased with, they didn't have to do that. Good result.

That's good to hear. Also, Lee pretty much confirmed what I had mentioned in a previous post...that it takes a fairly good bit of force to separate the holder from the ring. Its possible that the OD tolerance on your ring could have been off slightly. A simple fix is for Lee to use a stiffer spring...this would prevent the latch from coming up too easily (although, being an engineer, I can understand their reasoning to have it break free if you happen to catch your gear on something)...path of least resistance. Glad that it worked out for you.

[jdizzle]

That's real good news Anke! I'm glad that they even compensated you with a filter as well. Maybe I should break my filter holder and get a free filter myself! :);)

[Anke]

Having lost my brand new Lee filter holder off the side of a bridge this week and now not wishing to lose my second. ...
http://www.ankehuber.plus.com/potn/lee.jpg

Like a door bolt mechanism, the wedge should enable the unit to be attached easily, not pulled off easily. I think it's the wrong way round, is it?
They've both been like this, and yes I know its easy to undo and switch round, but I didn't know that last time and it cost me £50 to replace after one use.

Well, I lost my second, again off the side of a bridge. This thing is definitely made wrong!

[ChrisGorabPhotography]

Well, I lost my second, again off the side of a bridge. This thing is definitely made wrong!

I think you should stay away from all bridges.

[Anke]

I think you should stay away from all bridges.

I think that's the best advice. :)

[Anke]

Third one on order, second letter going to Lee.

Any advice on attaching filter holder to the camera? Like you get some lens caps that attach with a cord to the camera.

[ChrisGorabPhotography]

Third one on order, second letter going to Lee.

Any advice on attaching filter holder to the camera? Like you get some lens caps that attach with a cord to the camera.

I hope I'm not jynxing myself, but I've never had any problems.

[Anke]

I hope I'm not jynxing myself, but I've never had any problems.

You obviously don't cross many bridges :)

[jdizzle]

Wow! The third one has issues too? You just have a stroke of bad luck Anke. I have to Lee holders and they have been reliable from day one. I think Lee has put a voodoo spell on you. :);)

[Anke]

...I think Lee has put a voodoo spell on you. :);)

:D :D :D

[Lowner]

The Lee holder is unnecessarily complex. Someone give me a compelling reason why it needs screws, springs, even moving parts of any kind. I know I've already mentioned it, but have a look at the design of the Cokin holder, its a classic example of KISS* in action. Complicated design is bad design.

*Keep It Simple Stupid".

[argyle]

The Lee holder is unnecessarily complex. Someone give me a compelling reason why it needs screws, springs, even moving parts of any kind. I know I've already mentioned it, but have a look at the design of the Cokin holder, its a classic example of KISS* in action. Complicated design is bad design.

*Keep It Simple Stupid".

What's complicated about it? One single spring-loaded brass clip...couldn't be more simple. I had the Z-Pro...piss-poor design in my book. Three tiny plastic pins that you must push in and out to secure the holder, which also makes the first filter slot unusable due to the bottom of the filter hitting the pins. This requires the user to remove the pins, reverse them, and then re-insert (or shave down the pins with sandpaper). Very easy to lose one or two, especially when you're out in the field having to fumble with the holder (I speak from experience here...dropped a pin at the edge of a creek, took 20 minutes to find it, by then lost the good light). At this point, I decided to ditch the Z-Pro. I just don't understand the OP's issues with the Lee holder...three bad ones? Give me a break. The holder does not release that easily. How many times has the OP snagged his holder on something? To me, its nothing more than a classic case of user error. To paraphrase Einstein...insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. :rolleyes:

"Hmmm, let me think...last time I snagged my holder, it pulled off and fell into a creek. Maybe I'd better be more careful this time and be sure not to snag it on something". Seems to be a very simple fix...

[pwm2]

Manually check the springloaded pin, to check that it doesn't get stuck halfway?

[argyle]

Sorry if my previous post was a bit heavy on the sarcasm.

Anyway, its not a case of the pin getting stuck halfway. The spring constant (determines the stiffness of the spring, based on the spring's material of construction and wire OD) is such that the spring that's used in the holder will compress somewhat easily without a lot of force (the higher the spring constant, the stiffer the spring). This is a feature that's been designed into the Lee setup. With the "looser" spring, the spring force is strong enough to keep the holder in place when properly used, but light enough to release should the holder get caught or snagged on something. The fact that it will break free will prevent damage to the lens mount or camera body. If it didn't break free, there's a chance that the user could damage the lens mount/camera body if the snag were somewhat forceful. Then we'd be hearing about Canon's lousy QC in another thread. A stiffer spring is the logical answer, however, the trade-off would be a higher risk of more extensive damage should the holder fail to release when snagged.

I've had my Lee holder now for several years after ditching the Z-Pro. Its been in all sorts of various positions, all sorts of weather, even dangled over the sides of cliffs...has yet to come off. Then again, I'm careful enough not to catch it on anything. There is some responsibility on the part of the owner/user...companies (not just Lee, but all companies in general) simply cannot design their gear with every single type of scenario taken into consideration...they'd price themselves out of the market. There will always be some risk on the part of the user. Misuse will generally be followed by some type of disaster that could easily have been avoided with proper care and attention.

[Anke]

My third holder arrived in the post this morning.

Still made wrong, you have to pull the pin to put it on but can just tug the holder off to get it off.
It should be that it just clips on and you have to pull the pin to release.
GRRR!!

[argyle]

My third holder arrived in the post this morning.

Still made wrong, you have to pull the pin to put it on but can just tug the holder off to get it off.
It should be that it just clips on and you have to pull the pin to release.
GRRR!!


That's generally how it's meant to be used...

You have several options:

1.) Stop tugging the holder, period. That's misuse.

2.) Sell off the Lee holder if you're that unhappy with it, and buy the Z-Pro. Its a step backwards IMO, but you won't have to worry about a spring.

3.) Try a stiffer spring. Take apart a ballpoint pen and remove the spring (these are generally fairly stiff and may be stiff enough to resist your tugging force). If its similar in OD to the Lee spring, swap it out and give it a try.

4.) If you can't find a spring that will fit, refer back to #2. It seems that you just can't/won't be satisfied with the Lee. Why keep putting yourself through the misery?

[Anke]

That's generally how it's meant to be used...

You have several options:

1.) Stop tugging the holder, period. That's misuse.

2.) Sell off the Lee holder if you're that unhappy with it, and buy the Z-Pro. Its a step backwards IMO, but you won't have to worry about a spring.

3.) Try a stiffer spring. Take apart a ballpoint pen and remove the spring (these are generally fairly stiff and may be stiff enough to resist your tugging force). If its similar in OD to the Lee spring, swap it out and give it a try.

4.) If you can't find a spring that will fit, refer back to #2. It seems that you just can't/won't be satisfied with the Lee. Why keep putting yourself through the misery?

1. I don't tug it, the last two were tugged of my accident on the edge of bridges.
2. I thought about this last time but had a few lens adaptors that I'd spent money on and thought it was a freak accident and wouldn't have to buy another one. If it happens again it all goes in the bin.
3. I'l look into that, interesting suggestion.
4. Next time I lose it, off to another brand.

[Lowner]

Anke, don't dump the filters, just the holder.

[Anke]

Anke, don't dump the filters, just the holder.

For sure, it would just be the adaptors. Although this time I'm going to find a way of having some sort of security line attached to the camera.

[argyle]

1. I don't tug it, the last two were tugged of my accident on the edge of bridges.
2. I thought about this last time but had a few lens adaptors that I'd spent money on and thought it was a freak accident and wouldn't have to buy another one. If it happens again it all goes in the bin.
3. I'l look into that, interesting suggestion.
4. Next time I lose it, off to another brand.

Well, if you have to revert to option #2, you shouldn't have any problems selling off the Lee holder and adapter rings...there's a large market for them and the holders seem to be in short supply at the moment.

[jdizzle]

Geez Anke. :) I think you need to be a bit more gentle with the holder. :);) Ya gotta give it some lovin! ;) I have not seen any problems with how I tug that spring but, I guess you don't know your own strength. :)

[Lester Wareham]

I presume it is designed to just pop off (rather than on) to avoid damaging your lens if it gets knocked, a safety (liability avoidance) issue perhaps for Lee.

Can't you just turn the thing around like you suggest?

[argyle]

I presume it is designed to just pop off (rather than on) to avoid damaging your lens if it gets knocked, a safety (liability avoidance) issue perhaps for Lee.

Can't you just turn the thing around like you suggest?

No, it isn't physically possible. Actually, I need to clarify that statement. Yes, it is possible to rotate the clip 180-degrees. However, doing so will prevent the angled face of the clip from inserting itself into the slot on the adapter ring, thereby making it unmountable (sorry, very early...couldn't think of a better word). Quite simply, the OP needs to use a stiffer spring (if he can find one that will fit)...or just be more careful when using the holder.

[Lester Wareham]

No I meant the retaining clip as per the diagram in the first post.

I have no idea if this can be removed and used the other way around as I don't have a Lee holder, but I am curious.

[argyle]

That's what I was referring to...matter of fact, I posted about this very, very early in the thread (actually, the second post). I have the Lee holder and actually gave it a try...its a no-go. When reversing the clip, the holder cannot be attached to the adapter ring.

[Lester Wareham]

Hmmm, bit of a shame.

It does seem like a bit of a design fault, but I am guessing it is deliberate to prevent damage, but of course not loss.

I wonder if the stronger spring suggestion will help.

Different topic, but I had a lot of unscheduled lens dismounts (read lens falling off) with Kenko extension tubes partly because the springs were very weak, switching to Canon tubes solved that issue. So I can appreciate that aspect.

I had been thinking of getting a Lee system but this does sound a bit of a bother, not just the expense of replacement but also the potential loss of opportunity.

[argyle]

Hmmm, bit of a shame.

It does seem like a bit of a design fault, but I am guessing it is deliberate to prevent damage, but of course not loss.

I wonder if the stronger spring suggestion will help.

Different topic, but I had a lot of unscheduled lens dismounts (read lens falling off) with Kenko extension tubes partly because the springs were very weak, switching to Canon tubes solved that issue. So I can appreciate that aspect.

I had been thinking of getting a Lee system but this does sound a bit of a bother, not just the expense of replacement but also the potential loss of opportunity.

Yes...to prevent damage. But OTOH, if one happens to be standing with dry land under foot, the holder/filter wouldn't be lost if it happened to break loose...simply bend over and pick it up. Standing over a creek or leaning over the edge of a cliff is a different matter altogether. :D

I wouldn't necessarily go that far...not much of a bother at all. Considering the alternatives, the Lee is the better of what's currently available. Sure, it could be a nuisance if you weren't careful and happened to snag it on something and possibly losing it. But, like anything else, a modicum of care on the part of the user should allow the holder to give one many years of use.

That's interesting about the Kenko tubes...I have a set of the same but haven't had any lens issues. But thanks for the warning...I'll be more careful when using them. I pretty much took them for granted in the past...

[pwm2]

Some Canon lenses have also been known to drop unexpectedly (24-105?)

[Lester Wareham]

Yes...to prevent damage. But OTOH, if one happens to be standing with dry land under foot, the holder/filter wouldn't be lost if it happened to break loose...simply bend over and pick it up. Standing over a creek or leaning over the edge of a cliff is a different matter altogether. :D

I wouldn't necessarily go that far...not much of a bother at all. Considering the alternatives, the Lee is the better of what's currently available. Sure, it could be a nuisance if you weren't careful and happened to snag it on something and possibly losing it. But, like anything else, a modicum of care on the part of the user should allow the holder to give one many years of use.

That's interesting about the Kenko tubes...I have a set of the same but haven't had any lens issues. But thanks for the warning...I'll be more careful when using them. I pretty much took them for granted in the past...

Yes I think your right, I am fairly careful with my kit so perhaps not an issue.

On the tubes the complete story is here http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=186161

For me the Canon ones were night and day better, you would not expect that for "just" tubes.

[Anke]

I presume it is designed to just pop off (rather than on) to avoid damaging your lens if it gets knocked, a safety (liability avoidance) issue perhaps for Lee.

Can't you just turn the thing around like you suggest?

No I meant the retaining clip as per the diagram in the first post.

I have no idea if this can be removed and used the other way around as I don't have a Lee holder, but I am curious.

I think you are right, Lester.

I tried all ways to turn it around, including the clip, the slats and the whole holder.
In fact if you look at the photo on the front of the box, the slats are mounted on the wrong side (with the gold screw-holes facing up), so I tried to mount them on this side as photographed and the holder just will not attach to the adaptors.

[aramis]

You have to pull the pin to put it on but can just tug the holder off to get it off.
It should be that it just clips on and you have to pull the pin to release.

I just got my Lees on Friday. Was just trying the holder out and yes, mine does seem a little weak too. I googled that problem and found this thread. I'm using a new 77mm wide angle adaptor too :)

Going to give it all a try tomorrow, but I'm a little worried the holder is going to slip off :( Will see how it goes :D

[Anke]

I just got my Lees on Friday. Was just trying the holder out and yes, mine does seem a little weak too. I googled that problem and found this thread. I'm using a new 77mm wide angle adaptor too :)

Going to give it all a try tomorrow, but I'm a little worried the holder is going to slip off :( Will see how it goes :D

It won't slip off, just don't catch it on things.

I lost both mine by leaning over bridges and then catching it on the edge of the bridge when leaning back up straight.

[argyle]

I just got my Lees on Friday. Was just trying the holder out and yes, mine does seem a little weak too. I googled that problem and found this thread. I'm using a new 77mm wide angle adaptor too :)

Going to give it all a try tomorrow, but I'm a little worried the holder is going to slip off :( Will see how it goes :D

:rolleyes::rolleyes: You need to stop worrying and not let fear and panic set in. Many of us Lee users have had our rigs for quite a while without any mishaps. The OP has freely admitted (he could easily have not) that he did in fact snag it on something when using. Just be mindful of your surroundings. Personally, whenever I use my setup, its always on a tripod...so snagging it is not ever likely to happen.

[Anke]

Lee has e-mailed me in the past and stated "The LEE holder is designed to come off of the ring, with a tug of reasonable force, so as to prevent the whole lot going over if the holder is snagged during use.", it's just my luck that I catch it on places that I can't retrieve it from :D :D :D

[claybuster]

I don't know much about the system because I don't own one. If you're worried about it coming off again can't you put a string on it? or one of those lens cap keeper things that no one uses? I am looking to get into the Lee system soon because of all the positive things I heard about it versus the Cokin system

[argyle]

I don't know much about the system because I don't own one. If you're worried about it coming off again can't you put a string on it? or one of those lens cap keeper things that no one uses? I am looking to get into the Lee system soon because of all the positive things I heard about it versus the Cokin system

You could, but it sure would look 'dorky' (kinda like when my mother would sew gloves to my coat sleeves when I was a youngster so I wouldn't lose one) :D:D:D

[Anke]

I don't know much about the system because I don't own one. If you're worried about it coming off again can't you put a string on it? or one of those lens cap keeper things that no one uses? I am looking to get into the Lee system soon because of all the positive things I heard about it versus the Cokin system

That's what I'm going to try, some sort of security device.

You could, but it sure would look 'dorky' (kinda like when my mother would sew gloves to my coat sleeves when I was a youngster so I wouldn't lose one) :D:D:D

If it saves me £50, I'll look as dorky as a dorky thing :)

[Macro]

I think you are right, Lester.

I tried all ways to turn it around, including the clip, the slats and the whole holder.
In fact if you look at the photo on the front of the box, the slats are mounted on the wrong side (with the gold screw-holes facing up), so I tried to mount them on this side as photographed and the holder just will not attach to the adaptors.

The Filter Connection also has a photo (LINK (http://www.2filter.com/Leefilters/LeeFilters4x4.html)) which shows the gold nut-plates facing forward. This makes more sense as the slots and other accessories mount to the front.

Yet the holder I just received has the gold nut-plates facing rearward. The unused forward holes are plugged with plastic.

Perhaps Lee changed their design at some point?

[Anke]

The Filter Connection also has a photo (LINK (http://www.2filter.com/Leefilters/LeeFilters4x4.html)) which shows the gold nut-plates facing forward. This makes more sense as the slots and other accessories mount to the front.

Yet the holder I just received has the gold nut-plates facing rearward. The unused forward holes are plugged with plastic.

Perhaps Lee changed their design at some point?

I tried reversing the nuts and it didn't fit properly. Something changed between taking the photo and releasing the product I think. Very strange.

[Macro]

There are many photos of the holder online, both new and old. From dealers, ebay, etc. in both US and UK. Every photo I have found has the brass colored nut plates facing forward... like the photo on the box.

[Anke]

There are many photos of the holder online, both new and old. From dealers, ebay, etc. in both US and UK. Every photo I have found has the brass colored nut plates facing forward... like the photo on the box.

Bizarre, isn't it.

[LesC]

I've been debating for ages whether to upgrade from my Cokin P holder to the LEE & the Big Stopper really has made me want to go for the LEE, but the ease with which it's reported it can come off puts me off too.

I'm wondering (as this thread has been quiet for a long while) if the design of the lee holder has changed or are folks just living with it as is?

Whilst I appreciate Lee's response that it is designed to pull off with some force to prevent everything being pulled over if you catch the holder on something, surely it would be easly enough to have some kind of locking device on the spring loaded catch so that those who wish to lock the holder on can do so. Lee could always warn or advise against it to cover themselves if they wished.

I'd also like to see them make a slide in lens cap like the Cokin P252, that way you can leave the holder on permanently & the slide in cap is much more covenient than a lens cap. Again a very easy thing to provide...

[jacobsen1]

The amount of force needed to pop it loose is enough that it won't FALL off. The Lee holder is significantly nicer to use -vs- the cokin. Also, if you're going to use a big stopper, it's gasket is designed for their holder, the cokin might tear the foam...

I'd get the lee every time if I were ordering again, having owned both. And I've never come close to dropping my holder in a LOT of use...

[rvdw98]

I'd also like to see them make a slide in lens cap like the Cokin P252, that way you can leave the holder on permanently & the slide in cap is much more covenient than a lens cap. Again a very easy thing to provide...

Until they do, you could consider cutting your own out of a sheet of plexiglass/acrylic.

http://cgi.ebay.com/2pcs-Acrylic-sheet-200x100x2mm-Transparent-Clear-/130412493580?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e5d30bb0c#ht_1385wt_719

[jdizzle]

^Good idea Roy. You should start making them and selling it to us. ;)

[rvdw98]

^Good idea Roy. You should start making them and selling it to us. ;)

I'll take preorders at $30 a pop. ;-)

[jacobsen1]

I use the lens coat booties and leave my rings on my (landscaping lenses) all the time:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/508900-REG/LensCoat_LCHMBK_Medium_Hoodie_Lens_Hood.html

[jdizzle]

That's a good idea too. :)

[LesC]

Until they do, you could consider cutting your own out of a sheet of plexiglass/acrylic.

http://cgi.ebay.com/2pcs-Acrylic-sheet-200x100x2mm-Transparent-Clear-/130412493580?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e5d30bb0c#ht_1385wt_719

Nice idea, be good if they did them in black too, I'm sure someone will, otherwise a cheapo 100mm ND or IR filter would do the trick too I guess...

[thenextguy]

Lee makes lens caps. Or are you guys talking about something else?

http://www.leefilters.com/camera/products/show/ref:C47BE9A989C894/

[LesC]

Lee makes lens caps. Or are you guys talking about something else?

http://www.leefilters.com/camera/products/show/ref:C47BE9A989C894/

Yes - thinking of something like the cokin one - a slide-in cap:
http://lh3.googleusercontent.com/public/5gCo9IABkf04ciZJfVOa6n5KGR15OzOc_EjWPbPfh5gynsXmIO L7UdKpR3oeKGWRJIfE54fQYgjjZnazD3qS87GAub-qGuHBViZDSnFA49PLPpwKDf98q5nlSVnHq5I4ikT4y9KeWrdW0 y7C0lz1wPC0GIOSlnZFiztgiI2L

[Breezy900]

Very interesting to read this, I just read the first page but felt like commenting immediately. I lost my first Lee filter holder to the ocean, as it suddenly just popped off. A wave didn't hit the tripod, but after the holder went into the dark ocean, a wave came and washed it away. My new one though, no problems so far.

[Pi_314]

Got one of these on order, so I can't comment from on hand experience, but it don't look to me like the company made the filter so it would come off if it got snagged. It only comes off if it is snagged on one side. Is that correct?

If the wedge were to be flipped, would'nt it be subject to a tight tolerance? Isn't the wedge designed to push the sleeve (mounting ring) in such a way, so there is no slop when mounted?

[argyle]

Very interesting to read this, I just read the first page but felt like commenting immediately. I lost my first Lee filter holder to the ocean, as it suddenly just popped off. A wave didn't hit the tripod, but after the holder went into the dark ocean, a wave came and washed it away. My new one though, no problems so far.

Is it possible that you didn't have it mounted properly...the wedge could have been in the channel, but the two tabs on the bottom may not have been? I've seen that most of these issues stem from some type of user error, or just not being careful (snagging it on something, shooting from a helicopter, etc). I've been using mine for several years now, in all types of situations, and have yet to have it come loose or fall completely off.

Got one of these on order, so I can't comment from on hand experience, but it don't look to me like the company made the filter so it would come off if it got snagged. It only comes off if it is snagged on one side. Is that correct?

If the wedge were to be flipped, would'nt it be subject to a tight tolerance? Isn't the wedge designed to push the sleeve (mounting ring) in such a way, so there is no slop when mounted?

The wedge cannot be flipped...I'll rephrase that...the wedge could be flipped, but you won't be able to mount the holder at all. Don't read too much into these stories...if you're careful with it, you shouldn't have any problems whatsoever. As I mentioned, in all of the posts I've seen that mention the Lee holder falling off, its always been a case of the user not being careful. But its like anything else...check your gear before using it. In the case of the holder, make sure that the screws holding the slots are properly engaged, and the nut holding the wedge and spring is tight. And be mindful when you're shooting (especially if you're handholding or resting the rig on something other than a tripod). That's all that's to it...

[Pi_314]

The wedge cannot be flipped...I'll rephrase that...the wedge could be flipped, but you won't be able to mount the holder at all. Don't read too much into these stories...if you're careful with it, you shouldn't have any problems whatsoever. As I mentioned, in all of the posts I've seen that mention the Lee holder falling off, its always been a case of the user not being careful. But its like anything else...check your gear before using it. In the case of the holder, make sure that the screws holding the slots are properly engaged, and the nut holding the wedge and spring is tight. And be mindful when you're shooting (especially if you're handholding or resting the rig on something other than a tripod). That's all that's to it...
Not worried in the least by the design, just trying to get across that they did'nt make it that way to save your gear.They could redo the design so the wedge is reversed, but they would feel the need to make enough clearance over the ring to a point of it rattling. The purpose of the wedge is to push the ring to it's seat if I'm not mistaken. They could however leave it the way it is with a slight change in the angle of the wedge to where it would be more difficult to pull the assembly out. Again, I don't have one to inspect, so I could be totally uninformed.

[Brendo666]

are these available anywhere right now?

[argyle]

Not worried in the least by the design, just trying to get across that they did'nt make it that way to save your gear.They could redo the design so the wedge is reversed, but they would feel the need to make enough clearance over the ring to a point of it rattling. The purpose of the wedge is to push the ring to it's seat if I'm not mistaken. They could however leave it the way it is with a slight change in the angle of the wedge to where it would be more difficult to pull the assembly out. Again, I don't have one to inspect, so I could be totally uninformed.

Sure they did...but as far as gear protection goes, you're looking at it from the wrong perspective. Consider it this way...if you were to snag the holder on something (it won't fall off by itself as long it has been attached properly), you'd want it to pull loose from the lens to prevent damage to the lens or lens mount. If the holder were fixed much more rigidly, the force (and torque) from snagging it would go directly to the lens mount. Last I checked, the cost of a high end L lens is a lot more than the cost of a holder and filter or two. Don't let user error on someone else's part cause too much angst and worry...its designed and engineered just fine. ;)

[Pi_314]

Sure they did...but as far as gear protection goes, you're looking at it from the wrong perspective. Consider it this way...if you were to snag the holder on something (it won't fall off by itself as long it has been attached properly), you'd want it to pull loose from the lens to prevent damage to the lens or lens mount. If the holder were fixed much more rigidly, the force (and torque) from snagging it would go directly to the lens mount. Last I checked, the cost of a high end L lens is a lot more than the cost of a holder and filter or two. Don't let user error on someone else's part cause too much angst and worry...its designed and engineered just fine. ;)
It looks to me like if you snag one side of the filter holder it might come off, but snag the other side and it ain't coming off in any way shape or form, thusly the wedge isn't the way it is because they were thinking about your lens, or they would make it come off if you snagged either side of the filter.

[argyle]

It looks to me like if you snag one side of the filter holder it might come off, but snag the other side and it ain't coming off in any way shape or form, thusly the wedge isn't the way it is because they were thinking about your lens, or they would make it come off if you snagged either side of the filter.

No offense intended, but maybe you should consider the Cokin Z-Pro instead...you're over-analyzing the thing to death. :D

[CameraBuff]

I remember reading a thread and it was verified that the Lee Filter Holder did undergo a change in design. Maybe you can find someone selling an old style. I searched but can't find the post or photo's. I remember the brass pin on the new holders sticks out after you mount it on the adapter ring and the brass bushings are reversed.

[pwm2]

Sure they did...but as far as gear protection goes, you're looking at it from the wrong perspective. Consider it this way...if you were to snag the holder on something (it won't fall off by itself as long it has been attached properly), you'd want it to pull loose from the lens to prevent damage to the lens or lens mount. If the holder were fixed much more rigidly, the force (and torque) from snagging it would go directly to the lens mount. Last I checked, the cost of a high end L lens is a lot more than the cost of a holder and filter or two. Don't let user error on someone else's part cause too much angst and worry...its designed and engineered just fine. ;)
Some lenses have the mount specifically designed to break to avoid damage to the camera and to allow reasonably cheap replacement of the mount on the lens. So having a bad accident need not result in the full cost of a new L lens.

[jdizzle]

No offense intended, but maybe you should consider the Cokin Z-Pro instead...you're over-analyzing the thing to death. :D
I agree Mike. The Lee filter holder is not a complicated design. And as long as I've owned my Lee filter holders, there has never been any issues. I can understand a manufacturer's defect but, I seriously doubt it would be in mass.

[jdizzle]

Not worried in the least by the design, just trying to get across that they did'nt make it that way to save your gear.They could redo the design so the wedge is reversed, but they would feel the need to make enough clearance over the ring to a point of it rattling. The purpose of the wedge is to push the ring to it's seat if I'm not mistaken. They could however leave it the way it is with a slight change in the angle of the wedge to where it would be more difficult to pull the assembly out. Again, I don't have one to inspect, so I could be totally uninformed.
From the way you're interpreting the design of this filter holder, you should go out and buy one. It simple and not complicated.

My two Foundation kits have given me zero problems from day one of ownership. :)

http://www.darklightimaging.com/img/v26/p147373322-4.jpg

[argyle]

From the way you're interpreting the design of this filter holder, you should go out and buy one. It simple and not complicated.

My two Foundation kits have given me zero problems from day one of ownership. :)



Mmmmm...Lee porn.

I just don't get all the angst about a very uncomplicated device. Most of the issues are due to user error in some way, shape, or form....just don't snag it on anything and everything will be fine. Kinda like the old patient/doctor joke...Patient: "Doctor, it hurts when I do this". Doctor: "Then don't do that".

[jdizzle]

Mmmmm...Lee porn.

I just don't get all the angst about a very uncomplicated device. Most of the issues are due to user error in some way, shape, or form....just don't snag it on anything and everything will be fine. Kinda like the old patient/doctor joke...Patient: "Doctor, it hurts when I do this". Doctor: "Then don't do that".
Hehe! So true. :)

[Indecent Exposure]

Don't let user error on someone else's part cause too much angst and worry...
That should be on the POTN bumper sticker.

[Macro]

...
My two Foundation kits have given me zero problems from day one of ownership. :)
http://www.darklightimaging.com/img/v26/p147373322-4.jpg

My holder has the brass nuts on the opposite side. :confused:
http://www.pbase.com/image/134879888/original.jpg

[argyle]

My holder has the brass nuts on the opposite side. :confused:


Doesn't matter...they have nothing to do with securing the holder to the ring. As long as the screws thread in properly to secure the slots, it doesn't matter in which direction the bushings are placed (and you'll never notice them when looking through the viewfinder)...

[jacobsen1]

Also, for anyone THIS worried about it, why not tie a tiny string to the holder, then drop a slip knot around the lens or a camera lug at the other end? That way IF it does fall off (as designed) you still don't lose it? The extra brass "nuts" are holes, so you could tie something (dental floss would work perfectly) through there...

[Anke]

Nice to see an old thread revived :)

[Anke]

... Consider it this way...if you were to snag the holder on something (it won't fall off by itself as long it has been attached properly), you'd want it to pull loose from the lens to prevent damage to the lens or lens mount. If the holder were fixed much more rigidly, the force (and torque) from snagging it would go directly to the lens mount. Last I checked, the cost of a high end L lens is a lot more than the cost of a holder and filter or two....

This is something I'd never thought of, if I look on the bright side it looks like I've actually saved a couple of lens mounts and lenses :)

[argyle]

This is something I'd never thought of, if I look on the bright side it looks like I've actually saved a couple of lens mounts and lenses :)

So how are things working with your Lee setup now? No more mishaps, I hope...

[Anke]

So how are things working with your Lee setup now? No more mishaps, I hope...

I treat it like it's made from solid gold :)

...but I haven't been near a bridge since the last time so there is still a chance :D

[jdizzle]

I treat it like it's made from solid gold :)

...but I haven't been near a bridge since the last time so there is still a chance :D

Don't let that happen again. ;)