1DMII Users Take Heart!

[scottbergerphoto]

Since the introduction of the 20D, I've read alot of posts saying how the 20D was everything the 1DMII was but for alot less. I even had some twinges of doubt myself about all that money I spent. Usually those twinges are quickly asuaged when I pick up and hold the beast, fire the shutter a few times to hear the guillotine snap. I even bought a 20D as a back up camera and to use as a walk around camera.

Here is a thread to give fellow 1DMII users a little boost.
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic2/148200/0
Scott

[Cadwell]

I never realised I was disheartened.... :p

[DocFrankenstein]

Hmm... Do you mean there's acutally a reason it costs 3 times as much? :confused:;)

[Jon]

Of course. It has an integral Battery Grip, so none of the "issues" various people have had with the BG-E2.
;{)#

[KennyG]

Most of the arguments come from people that have never used a 1 series in anger. I'm not talking about pictures of the cat, but putting a 1 series through the paces it was designed for, like sports and PJ work, where a lesser camera just wouldn't stand up.

In his post, Nill said what we users of 1 series for sport in particular have known all along. To paraphrase, we don't take a knife to a gunfight, we take a Magnum.

Oh, and I never needed a boost, I know very well just how good my MK II is.

[Andy D]

I'd probably agree with you, if I could afford one! (yes I am jealous, but hey!!) ;)

I'll get to play with a IDSMkII in a week or two, but that has to go back to Canon, and I will probably only get to shoot the flowers in the courtyard at work! (they won't let me take it home for a weekend! :()

[defordphoto]

Most of the arguments come from people that have never used a 1 series in anger. I'm not talking about pictures of the cat, but putting a 1 series through the paces it was designed for, like sports and PJ work, where a lesser camera just wouldn't stand up.

In his post, Nill said what we users of 1 series for sport in particular have known all along. To paraphrase, we don't take a knife to a gunfight, we take a Magnum.

Oh, and I never needed a boost, I know very well just how good my MK II is.

I am with you Kenny on this is a huge way. I have both cameras. Folks, the 20D is nothing close to the MKII. They are two completely different animals. They are akin as guppies are to sharks.

A 1-series camera is in a class by itself and they are not comparable to any other camera. All this comparing apples to oranges just baffles me, but most times I find it quite amusing.

Never for one second did I ever think of my 20D as being anything but what it is: An excellent, pro-sumer camera. And the MKII as what it is: A 100% professional camera.

[Deckyon]

I never had any reason to doubt my 1D MkII. Even when coming across someone who says the 20D is perfect for sports, I just throw my 1DMkII into HS Drive mode and fire away for a second or two and show them the results. Shuts them right up... Did it at a local skate and bike park this past weekend. There were shots I could not have gotten without 8 fps...

[charlesu]

What a funny thread! I lovel it.

I own both and have never been disappointed in the 1Dmkii. I have, however, been overly impressed with that the 20D will do, esp for the money.

[mbze430]

When I had my 20D, I felt I was shooting with my Elan 7e specially of it speed and focusing. It was just never the same as my 1v HS. Now that I got the 1DMKII to replace my 20D, which is exactly like my 1v HS, I am a very happy man now. Its fast in FPS and focusing. Its built like a 1v HS, and it closer to FF. P.Fn!! Too bad it's not like the 1v where I can turn certain things off and on...

[tim]

Do the pros amongst us use "motor drive", or do you rely on your sense of timing to get the photo?

I had a presentation recently at my local photography club by a pro who was shooting at the olympics, he relied on his timing. On the other hand I had another presentation from a pro motorspots photographer, he uses motor drive for accidents, and otherwise relies on timing and skill.

[Scottes]

I don't even have to read that post to know that my 20D ain't a MkII. I've seen them in action. I know they're better.

[defordphoto]

Do the pros amongst us use "motor drive", or do you rely on your sense of timing to get the photo?

I had a presentation recently at my local photography club by a pro who was shooting at the olympics, he relied on his timing. On the other hand I had another presentation from a pro motorspots photographer, he uses motor drive for accidents, and otherwise relies on timing and skill.

Motordrive? ;) What's that? :lol:

I use it (high-speed shutter) when I need it. Normally I just use rapid-finger fire. The MKII will shoot as fast as I can press the shutter-button, but if action is going on, then I'll hold down the button as long as it takes.

Here is the longest sequence (25 frames I think) I shot all last year. My second outing with the MKII: Click Here. (http://racefamily.racinglines.com/Galleries/2004/JetSprints/Richland0605/WildRide/index.htm)

[defordphoto]

I don't even have to read that post to know that my 20D ain't a MkII.

I still haven't read it. Probably won't.

[tim]

Motordrive? ;) What's that? :lol:

That term's a hangover from a presentation that the motorsport guy gave, not sure what other single word describes it better.

Great shots there with the boat! You'd have missed most of it on a slow camera.

[defordphoto]

What a funny thread! I lovel it.

I spell-checked your post and it corrected to: What a funny thread! I shovel it.

:lol:

Just had to share that. ;)

[defordphoto]

That term's a hangover from a presentation that the motorsport guy gave, not sure what other single word describes it better.

Great shots there with the boat! You'd have missed most of it on a slow camera.

I was kidding. I know exactly where it comes from. Film cameras used an actual motor-drive to "motor" the film quickly as the shutter opened and closed.

Today, we use high speed shutters. Since we have no film, there is no need for the "motor." :)

[MDJAK]

I had the 10D and upgraded to the 20D which is much faster in just about every operation. I was very pleased with the results and the switch.

That is, until last week when I picked up the !Ds Mark II. While it is certainly not able to shoot 8fps, I really never need that. I never even used the 5fps on the 20D.

I will say, however, as this thread is about, at least partially, 1 series versus the 20D, that the 20D almost (don't attack me, 20D owners) feels like a toy in comparison.

I originally thought the 1Ds Mark II would be too heavy to carry around, but it is so well balanced that I just love having it in my hand.

[tim]

I was kidding. I know exactly where it comes from. Film cameras used an actual motor-drive to "motor" the film quickly as the shutter opened and closed.

Today, we use high speed shutters. Since we have no film, there is no need for the "motor." :)

I know that, but high speed shutter has a different meaning from lots of frames per second. I call it "machine gun mode", because that's what it sounds like when you hold the button down ;)

NB: i've never heard a real machine gun in person

[BigRed450]

It really is amazing how a crowd of photogs will hush when they hear the sound of a 1DmkII in high speed mode. The 1 series cameras really must be experienced to be appreciated, but most of you already know that.....

[defordphoto]

It really is amazing how a crowd of photogs will hush when they hear the sound of a 1DmkII in high speed mode. The 1 series cameras really must be experienced to be appreciated, but most of you already know that.....

When I shot the crash sequence above, the other photogs there, and a few safety guys that weren't needed at the scene responded: "What was THAT? Was that your camera?"

[rg-tom]

damn you all :P I know the 1DmkII is a lot better but ive been holding onto my 20D saying it'll do, but I really want the 1Dii now. And there is no way i can afford it!

Gonna have to get a good summer job and get myself a first body and demote my 20D to second, or sell my 20D for a 1Dii now :(

[tim]

I could afford a 1D Mk II if I really wanted one, but I don't want one. I don't think i'm good enough to take advantage of the 20D yet. I think the 1D series is only really justifiable for professionals, or really, really serious amateurs.

[Belmondo]

I'm one of those fortunate individuals who owns both. When I get up in the morning, I ask myself, "Am I worthy?" If the answer is 'Yes,' I use the 1D MkII that day. If the answer is 'No,' I still use the Mk II, but secretly feel I should be using the 20D.

[RockOne]

Here is the longest sequence (25 frames I think) I shot all last year.

And that is the most appropriately named boat too :-) !

Re the 1D MkII shutter.I've heard the .wav file and it sounds like a sewing machine !!. If only I could afford one !

[LouDawg]

I'm one of those fortunate individuals who owns both. When I get up in the morning, I ask myself, "Am I worthy?" If the answer is 'Yes,' I use the 1D MkII that day. If the answer is 'No,' I still use the Mk II, but secretly feel I should be using the 20D.

:lol: Dang that's one of the funniest things I've read in a while.

[tim]

I've heard the Nikon equilivent, and it's quite amazing. The 5fps from the 20D is suprising enough for most people, most people don't even realise a camera can do that! I didn't until I started playing this photography game maybe 6 months ago.

[Turbowolf]

I guess I can kinda relate to this thread ...

Was out swamp stompin' today for Amphibians and took the 300D and the 70-300 Sigma in the event I went Titanic - needless to say it was a bad photo day.

I've been spoiled shootin' the 20D w/ the 100-400 lense.

[jbradc]

I am expecting my tax refund by the end of the month, and when it comes I am getting a 1D mark II. I can't wait - hurry up Uncle Sam :-)

[Persian-Rice]

Wow I wish I could explain my feelings like that.............................

I have argued over the internet, shame on me, that the 1D is far superior. Some admit and just agree while other's refuse. I think the same as Kenny and realize that most of these guys have never used something like a 1D, so they cant compare. The 20D is fast and they think that its as good as it gets, but there is one thing that is faster.

On paper, lots of things look the same. A Camaro has a V8 5.7 with loads of power, a 2001 M5 has a v8 too, but there is a HUGE difference when you drive them. Its the same with the 1D, the thing is the fastest machine on the market, not even the 1Ds MKII is as fast.

The 1D is something else. My brother loves it more then I do. At the car show we got to the Porsche Carrera GT and my brother tells me to show off a bit, so with tons of people looking at the car while it spins on its stand, I do my white lens trick, and sit on the shutter in jpeg till the buffer filled. I swear every single of those 80 heads turned from the Porsche to me. Never heard a machine gun like that, have you?

Here is one for the quotes...............
The frame rate on a 1D Mark II is a sexual experience.

[BigRed450]

Here is the longest sequence (25 frames I think) I shot all last year. My second outing with the MKII: Click Here. (http://racefamily.racinglines.com/Galleries/2004/JetSprints/Richland0605/WildRide/index.htm)

Jim.. you should animate this sequence.. Saw a couple of examples of the HS framerate made into an animation and it realy looks neat. Very kewl sequence my friend, thanks for sharing.

[Kent2]

Motordrive? ;) What's that? :lol:

I use it (high-speed shutter) when I need it. Normally I just use rapid-finger fire. The MKII will shoot as fast as I can press the shutter-button, but if action is going on, then I'll hold down the button as long as it takes.

Here is the longest sequence (25 frames I think) I shot all last year. My second outing with the MKII: Click Here. (http://racefamily.racinglines.com/Galleries/2004/JetSprints/Richland0605/WildRide/index.htm)


A good name for that Boat!!! Nice capture!

1D MkII is my next upgrade.....Soon

Kent

[musthavemuzk]

now comon people.
i just got into this game after saving for quite sometime and the best i could do was the 20D. which i think is a step up from the originally planned 300D.

after talking by PM and reading some threads here i realized the 1 series would be best for what i want to shoot. but i just cannot swing it. heck i do not even have L yet. mayb one day i will have both, but while i learn i will have to suffer with the 20D.
the second day i had it i had to play with the 5fps. WOW that was cool as heck. had never witnessed anything like that before.

so who is going to share the machinegun sound from the 1series?

last nov when Mac and i went to St Cloud to the camera shops looking and stuff. we picked up a 1 series. boy was it heavy but as pointed out it sure felt right in your hands. balanced and well just felt right.

anyways
for now the 20D will have to fit the bill.

Monty

[tim]

dpreview.com usually have an mp3 of the shutter noises from cameras they review. I had a quick look but couldn't find it, i'm in a bit of a hurry right now.

[musthavemuzk]

thanx tim
will check in a few

Monty

[pcasciola]

OMG, Scott, did you actually have to go dig up a four month old Miranda post to prove the 1D Mk II is better than a 20D?!?!?! Of course the 1D Mk II is a superior camera, It costs nearly $3000 more. What bugs me is, everyone seems to feel the need to take shots at the 20D, from the Digital Rebel owners all the way up to the 1Ds Mk II owners. That tells me one thing, the 20D must be a great camera.

Ok, I'm done ranting, as my 1D Mk II patiently sits in my B&H wishlist. ;)

[Persian-Rice]

pcasciola, I think its the other way around, its that 20D owners keep saying their camera is as good as the 1D, so every one has teamed up with the big gun and fired back.

[pcasciola]

The worst I've seen is people saying (myself included) that the 20D is closer than the $3000 price difference, but I don't think I've seen anybody every say it was "as good". It's impossible to quantify the price difference being worth it. For a pro it's a no brainer, for me it's questionable, and for most others, it's not needed at all. The 20D has it's good points, and the performance jump in terms of pure speed compared with the 10D seems pretty big to me, but of course it's no 1D Mk II. I've been on POTN since the 20D was released, and I don't think I've seen the words "as good" ever used in the same sentance as the 1D Mk II

[chris.bailey]

I have a chainsaw and I have a hedge trimmer. Both do closely related jobs and though you could, at a push, use a chainsaw to trim a hedge, the hedgetrimmer does a poor job of cutting down trees, however hard you try. My neighbour only has a hedge trimmer and though he does use the hedge trimmer to take off the small branches, when it comes to the thick stuff he borrows by chainsaw.

[HKFEVER]

I'd probably agree with you, if I could afford one! (yes I am jealous, but hey!!) ;)

I'll get to play with a IDSMkII in a week or two, but that has to go back to Canon, and I will probably only get to shoot the flowers in the courtyard at work! (they won't let me take it home for a weekend! :()

There is love and hate with the 1DSMKII, excellent, detail, workable corp area but hugh file.

[dobova]

I am with you Kenny on this is a huge way. I have both cameras. Folks, the 20D is nothing close to the MKII. They are two completely different animals. They are akin as guppies are to sharks.

A 1-series camera is in a class by itself and they are not comparable to any other camera. All this comparing apples to oranges just baffles me, but most times I find it quite amusing.

Never for one second did I ever think of my 20D as being anything but what it is: An excellent, pro-sumer camera. And the MKII as what it is: A 100% professional camera.

I partially agree with RFMSports. I've both cameras. I don't shoot too much sports events, but I'm in action very often with photojournalism. Often I bring with me both cameras, BUT I fill always the 1DMKII compactflash and not 20D's one.
I don't want to talk about technical spec between the two camera, but I talk about "feeling". When I'm in action I can't use 20D, but choose automatically to shoot with 1D.
I feel 1D faster, precise, reliable, never loose a shot.
When I'm in some other relax work (like people portraits, street-life, landscape or holidays) I bring with me the 20D rig.
The quality of the picture is absolute comparable, so the colors and exposition. I prefere a bit the fast AF of 1D but this is not a matter.
When working with people 20D is the best due to the less dimensions, giving a minor "gun effect", more relaxing for subjects.
One thing I prefer much on 20D : the fast switching between central point AF and Automatica AF point with the "pseudo-joystick". I use on both cameras, custom function CF-4 to change on * button the AF and on main button the AE lock.

It's a feeling, not technical alone...I love both animals.

Ciao

[Vita Rara]

I'm really glad to hear this. My 1DMkII should be here today, can't wait. So, I guess I really wasn't in doubt.

Mark

[scottbergerphoto]

I don't know about you guys, but I sure feel better ;)
Regards,
Scott

[HKFEVER]

Specification clearly tell everything.

[defordphoto]

I don't know about you guys, but I sure feel better ;)
Regards,
Scott

:lol: :lol:

That's funny.

[BigRed450]

LOL, you made my day....

[CyberDyneSystems]

I've heard the Nikon equilivent, ...

:mad: There is NO Ni**n equivelent! :mad: :rolleyes: :p



:lol: :lol:

As to the comparisons,.

It's simple,. The 20D is the best camera you can get fro $1,400.00
The 1D MkII is the best you can get for $4,300.00
:)

I'm one of those that compromised and got both :)

[GeForceFX]

Re the 1D MkII shutter.I've heard the .wav file and it sounds like a sewing machine !!. If only I could afford one !


where did you find that .wav?

[RockOne]

The 1D is here. Not sure which camera review had the MkII shutter noise file.
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond2h/page6.asp

[Mike H]

... As to the comparisons,.

It's simple,. The 20D is the best camera you can get fro $1,400.00
The 1D MkII is the best you can get for $4,300.00
:)


Actually, the 1D Mark II is now the best camera that you can get for $4,000 (including free shipping from some vendors).

Mike H

[drisley]

Just the fact there are threads like this proves just how good the 20D is. ;)

[JK]

Just remember: Ultimately, the camera is only as good as its operator and the lenses in front of it... ;)

Or, to paraphrase Yoda:

"An expensive camera does not a good photographer make... "

[CyberDyneSystems]

Or, to paraphrase Yoda:



"Long have I watched this one,.
Allways has he looked away, to B&H, to the next upgrade...

Never his mind on What camera he has,... hmm?
What he is doing with it! Hmmm!

1DsMkII!
300mm f/2.8L IS!!

A photographer craves not these things!
The boy is a Gear Geek!"

:lol:

[JK]

LOL!!! :D