Nikon D3x thread.

[majkid]

Check this out on You Tube


**EDIT BY CDS**
Youtube link no longer valid. this was a link to the then rumored D3x. Obviously it was not a hoax.
All thread re: the D3x announcement have been merged into this one.

Is this a hoax or is this the latest from Nikon?
Very interesting.

Come on Canon. You have to let us know what's going on !!!!

[radiohead]

Press launch on Monday. Nikon Pro magazine has hit NPS members today and details are within:

- same body design, AF, metering and main functions as D3
- 24.5mp FX sensor
- 5:4 and DX crops
- 5fps at full resolution; DX crop shoots 10mp images at up to 7fps
- ISO 100-1600, extendable down to 50 and up to 6400
- 16 bit EXPEED processor

A couple of points.

It'll partner, and not replace, the D3. That camera remains for sports, PJ, press and event shooters needing speed. By lowering the base ISO and keeping the ISO range sensible this new body is clearly aimed at ad, fashion, landscape and studio shooters.

It's also NOT a competitor to the A900 and 5D II. MP count aside the D3x will be every inch a 100% professional tool from the ground-up. It's competition is the £4500 1Ds III so I expect £3399 or thereabouts and a D800 to partner the D700 at the A900/5D II price points. I'm not sure it puts much pressure on the £2500 D3 as your needs will dictate the purchase, not the price.

[timnosenzo]

Couple links:

http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/content_page.asp?cid=7-9318-9779

http://sebrogers.typepad.com/seb_rogers_blog/2008/11/official-nikon-d3x-specs-its-here-folks.html

It's really a parallel to the 1Ds MKIII, I'm surprised Nikon didn't kick it up a notch, considering the 1Ds MKIII is over a year old already.

Also, it looks like they're probably not releasing some new primes with this announcement, as had been hoped for by many.

I think Canon may have breathed a big sigh of relief with this launch. ;)

[woodmen]

I am wondering how the 16 bits is gonna change image quality??? This seems to be the big new feature on this camera. It's gonna be interisting to see the results of this first 16 bits dslr!! I hope Canon is taking notes :).

[radiohead]

More detail:

The X factor

Ultra-high definition 24.5-megapixel flagship takes DSLR into medium-format terrain

The professional SLR world has been transformed in just 12 months by the introduction of no less than four new Nikon pro SLR bodies. First we saw the D3 and D300. Then there was the D700. Now, with the launch of the D3x, Nikon offers more FX format pro cameras than any other manufacturer. At 24.5MP, the D3x has the highest resolution seen in a Nikon SLR to date.

The new camera shares all of the D3’s features, including Live View (making it the world’s highest resolution SLR with viewscreen shooting); the 51-point MultiCAM3500FX autofocus system; Scene Recognition System; Expeed 16-bit processing; 3-inch high-resolution 922.000-dot viewing screen; and the tough, weather-resistant magnesium body.

The D3x was designed with medium format photographic applications in mind. The ISO range covers 100-1600 with a Lo1 (equivalent to ISO 50) as well as boost settings up to the equivalent of ISO 6400.

But it’s also fast. The D3x can record its high-resolution 24.5MP files at up to 5fps. As with the D3, it has two alternative crop modes: 5:4 and DX In DX crop mode the camera captures 10MP files at up to 7fps.

The MultiCAM3500FX AF system is the same as the D3, and has the largest number of individually selectable focus points available, making this a very effective system for isolating fine details in the scene. The widely acclaimed Autofocus Tracking capabilities are, as you would expect, the same as the D3.

Pixel numbers alone do not guarantee good quality pictures. The D3x Expeed image-processing system is custom-designed to render this detail with levels of tonal gradation never before seen in a DSLR. Its 75MB files are ideally suited for stock photography and extremely high levels of enlargement.

And being a Nikon SLR, its body is much faster, intuitive to handle and ergonomically advanced than heavy and complex medium-format systems.

You’ll have guessed by now that the D3x is armed at photographers whose work requires the ultimate in detail and output quality Where skin tones, fabric textures, crisp edges, and foliage are paramount - in the fashion, commercial and landscape area - the D3x excels.

Beyond the confines of the studio lighting environment, the onboard exposure metenng and AWB systems make the D3x equally at home in less controlled lighting situations where the aim is to capture the atmosphere of ambient lighting.
FEATURES

THE SENSOR

The D3x has an exclusive 35.9 x 21mm (FX format) 24.5MP image sensor with unique OLPF (optical low pas filter) and high-speed channel readout. ISO range covers the equivalent of 50-6400.
IN FOCUS

The widely acclaimed speed and accuracy of the MultiCAM3500 AF system with 51-AF points. Individual selection assumes a new importance in combination with the high resolution: it’s easy to isolate and focus on small details in the scene.
SPEED AND RESPONSE

At full 24.5MP resolution, the D3x shoots at 5fps, 7fps is possible in DX Crop mode. The camera is as responsive as the superfast D3. 12ms start up with a shutter release lag time of just 41 ms (CIPA standard). It writes files to the dual CF slots at about 35MB per second.
IMAGE PROCESSING

The D3x’s 16-bit EXPEED engine is specially tuned to deliver detail-rich, colourful files with low levels of noise and high detail. It is also tuned to minimise the effects of colour fringing with older F-mount Nikkor lenses, and to minimise the effect of unnatural-looking (digital) noise patterns. Vignette (peripheral fall-off) can also be controlled for creative effect.
ACTIVE D-LIGHTING

The D3x features a new Extra High Active D-Lighting setting, designed to better manage extremely high-contrast scenes, especially tonal gradation in highlights.
SCENE RECOGNITION SYSTEM

Information from the 1005-pixel RGB sensor with diffraction grating is used to recognise the subject position and colour prior to capture. The results are then used by autofocus, auto exposure and auto white balance.
LIVE VIEW

The D3x is the highest resolution digital SLR yet to offer Live View. Allowing photographers to compose and shoot via the 3in monitor instead of the viewfinder brings a variety of practical advantages both in the studio and on location. Two modes are offered: Handheld and Tripod. Contrast-detect autofocus is available in Tripod mode.
MONITOR

3-inch wide-angle (170deg) rear viewing screen, with 922,000 dots, is ultra-high definition, and proven to exhibit extraordinary levels of damage resistance.
THE INTERFACES

USB 2.0 downloads images off the camera fast when tethered, and flexibly when connected with the WT-4 wireless transmitter. With both HDMI and AV/Out ports GPS data can be captured into the EXIF as before. The new, compact Nikon GP-1 GPS unit can also be attached via the 10-pin terminal and mounted in the hotshoe, or clip on the camera strap.
POWER MANAGEMENT

The D3x uses the same high performance lithium-ion battery (EN-EL4a) as the D3. Thanks to efficiencies in the camera’s onboard EXPEED image-processing system, battery performance is comparable with the D3.
THE BODY

Extremely durable magnesium construction with economically optimised and weather-sealed buttons, dials and LCD displays. Extensive use of high-grade rubber grips means the body is comfortable to handle for long periods of time, and in a wide range of temperatures.

[Croasdail]

If it saves in 16 bit color.... dang, that is huge. That will make a marked difference right there. But these will be some monster files too. The times I have shot the Hassy we had a tethered HD. Things just keep getting more interesting.

[chauncey]

But if you're looking to switch...everything must go, and that's a huge financial hit.

[bacchanal]

Wow, 16 bit and still 5 fps...that is impressive. Fashion people will probably be all over this thing.

[JeffreyG]

24.5 Megs at 16 bits? My computer is hiding in the closet in terror.

[Tee Why]

No movie mode? How can you sell a camera that doesn't take moveis?
:) Looks like a nice camera. Nikon is back big time. I hope that Canon makes the 1D MIV a 12-15mm FF sensor to compete with the D3 now. Time to retire the 1.3x crop in my view.

[timnosenzo]

Time to retire the 1.3x crop in my view.

Agreed!

[Ook]

Time to retire the 1.3x crop in my view.

I wonder how many sports shooters agree? It is the definitive sports body.

[timnosenzo]

It is the definitive sports body.

More like was. The Nikon D3 is giving the Canon 1D MKIII a pretty run for it's money these days.

[nicksan]

:lol::lol::lol:
24.5 Megs at 16 bits? My computer is hiding in the closet in terror.

[Anke]

24.5Mps maybe, but without a Direct Print button I'm lost. I'm therefore forced to put up with my Mark III.

[nicksan]

I actually am one of those that like the 1.3x crop.
Yes, you are kinda in-between, but I feel that you get a little of everything. Wider than a 1.6x crop, longer than FF. Maybe I just smoked a few too much yesterday.:lol:

Really liking the Nikon offerings, though not sure how I feel about this one. For me, it's just overkill...and I agree that it looks like the D3x is more like an addition to the Nikon lineup rather than a replacement.

The only thing that is a turn-off at this point, and I have no way of substantiating any of this, is that b/c the cross type AF points are clustered in the middle area, of-center AF performance still might not be on par with the Canon equivalent. I have heard from a few D3/D700 users who have switched from Canon who would agree with this.

Not a deal breaker for many, perhaps most. (???) But something that stops me from going further with my wandering mind.:D;)

But it's looking very good right now for us. All these releases. The 5D MKII, though I was disappointed with it, looks damn good IQ-wise.

So many choices...so little money!:lol:

More like was. The Nikon D3 is giving the Canon 1D MKIII a pretty run for it's money these days.

[nicksan]

Does the MKIII have a direct print button? I don't even know and I own one. Gotta stop doing crack...:lol:

24.5Mps maybe, but without a Direct Print button I'm lost. I'm therefore forced to put up with my Mark III.

[Anke]

Does the MKIII have a direct print button? I don't even know and I own one. Gotta stop doing crack...:lol:

Well, sort of, its something along the lines of pressing the set button when playing back an image with a printer attached.

[timnosenzo]

Is this camera using the same sensor as the Sony A900 (I thought I read that somewhere)? If so, that sensor seems very poor looking at the DP Review tests:

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sonydslra900/page20.asp

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sonydslra900/page21.asp

Can anyone shed some light on that?

[timnosenzo]

Well, sort of, its something along the lines of pressing the set button when playing back an image with a printer attached.

Geez, that sounds like a pain in the ass. Good thing my camera has a button for that. :lol:

[TheHoff]

D3X + Nikon 200/2..... .auuuughhhhh

http://blog.menupirate.com/images/drooling_homer.png

[JeffreyG]

D3X + Nikon 200/2..... .auuuughhhhh

http://blog.menupirate.com/images/drooling_homer.png

Mmmmmm.....Forbidden doughnut.

[Bubble]

hummm...very interesting. I'm itching for this body now. :(

[radiohead]

Is this camera using the same sensor as the Sony A900 (I thought I read that somewhere)? If so, that sensor seems very poor looking at the DP Review tests:

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sonydslra900/page20.asp

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sonydslra900/page21.asp

Can anyone shed some light on that?

No-one knows.

But, I'm laying money that Nikon have elected to make this excel at lower ISO than high. Most people needing to print big don't shoot at 3200 and above. The base ISO of 100 rather than 200 says this to me clearly - don't expect a D3-like performance at higher ISO, instead expect superb performance for the market it's aimed at - fashion, advertising, fine art, architecture, studio, landscape. Don't buy it it you focus on sport, press, PJ or event work.

Master of some trades then, rather than Jack.

[Quad]

D3X + Nikon 200/2..... .auuuughhhhh



You have had 200 f2 lust for a long time. It has finally worked its way from you deepest subconscious to you conscious I see. You are powerless to resist.


I can hear trembling within Canon's offices, I think someone is heading for early retirement or a possible new position.

The world knew about this camera for sometime but once again Nikon has pushed the envelope and put in 16 bit files.

[RichNY]

The world knew about this camera for sometime but once again Nikon has pushed the envelope and put in 16 bit files.

Is 16 bit files a big thing?

[tekkie]

sick camera for sure, looks like the 1DS will have a new competitor

sadly out of my price range I am sure

[Hermes]

It's going to take a lot to convince me that the new processor, sensor, e.t.c. get this (or any other DSLR) into medium format territory in terms of detail, colour rendition, smooth tones, e.t.c.

[Quad]

Is 16 bit files a big thing?

I think it could potentially give more shadow separation. It does give 4 times the colors over 14 bit for each of the sensors color channels.

Look at the photo (and info) here:

http://cpn.canon-europe.com/content/infobank/capturing_the_image/8_or_16_bit.do

each bit doubles the data in a binary system. The reason I am hoping for more shadow detail is that Hasselblad (and supposedly Leica) have both used 16 bit systems and shadow separation and recovery is good with Hasselblad files (not sure on Leica). It may give photoshop (ACR) a bit of trouble since I seem to recall photoshop is a 15 bit system with the 16th bit being a sign bit only.

[JeffreyG]

Is 16 bit files a big thing?

Big effin' files for sure! Your RAW converter is going to whimper.

[cdifoto]

Lightroom will implode.

[SoundsGood]

But if you're looking to switch...everything must go, and that's a huge financial hit.
Bingo.

[Quad]

Big effin' files for sure! Your RAW converter is going to whimper.

Laptops need not apply but then 21 mp files will hurt as well.

I see many people falling in love with sRAW when they finally decide that their images look the same on their monitors and HD TVs but their editing is very slow and crashes a lot. If lightroom can fill your editing needs it will make things a lot easier editing wise.

Meanwhile I just ordered new parts today. Now a new camera or a 24 inch printer?

[DStanic]

Interesting camera for sure!

I agree with the above comment on sRAW- I really wouldn't mind keeping files in the 7-10mp range for my uses. Speed, color depth and ISO performance are improvements I'd like to have though.

Canon has a bit of catch-up to do. The 5DmkII is still unknown in comparison to these high end Nikons (and the 1DsIII) but in paper it appears to be the ultimate wedding photographer camera (so far). I hope that Canon pulls out all the stops with the 1DsMK4 with a redesigned AF system, the best ISO performance, and topping 24mp. For $8k+ it better be the best thing out there!

[mattograph]

Lightroom will implode.

Indeed. They will have to skip LR3 entirely and go right to 4!

Can you imagine the Scott Kelby Tutorials?

"So, in this next step, we are going to sharpen the photo from our D3x, using the settings we discussed earlier. Apply those values now, and click ok.

While you computer processes the command, this might be a good time to take the kids to the movies. We'll see you back here in two hours to work on photo number 2 from our 800 image wedding shoot!"

[cdifoto]

Indeed. They will have to skip LR3 entirely and go right to 4!

Can you imagine the Scott Kelby Tutorials?

"So, in this next step, we are going to sharpen the photo from our D3x, using the settings we discussed earlier. Apply those values now, and click ok.

While you computer processes the command, this might be a good time to take the kids to the movies. We'll see you back here in two hours to work on photo number 2 from our 800 image wedding shoot!"
"And if you don't have kids, now would be a good time to impregnate your wife. If you don't have a wife, now would be a good time to go to a titty bar to find a wife, date her, get married, go on honeymoon, and impregnate the new wife."

[pendulum15]

Is this camera using the same sensor as the Sony A900 (I thought I read that somewhere)? If so, that sensor seems very poor looking at the DP Review tests:

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sonydslra900/page20.asp

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sonydslra900/page21.asp

Can anyone shed some light on that?

I don't think so as this is bloody 16 BIT man!!!
16 bit is huge a raw from my 1d3 at 10mp 14bit(?)or is it 12... whatever converted to a ZIP compressed tiff at 16 bit is like 50MB or something... so 24mp at 16 bit would be massively huge as an uncompressed raw!!

Oh yeah, and I hope canon counters this with a 25mp studio cam with 16 bit etc... AND a 10-12mp FF cam with all the advanced stuff from 5dII in it at 16 bit and 10fps that would be crazy as, can I say usable ISO 25600!!

[Tee Why]

It comes with a 10% off coupon for a Dell with two sets of Quad core cpu's running 10GHz with a Ram of 50GB. You need to use it in your fridge to keep it from overheating though.

You had better a one powerful computer to run a bunch of RAW images from a 24MP sensor with 16 bits. Yikes indeed. Definitely for commercial/studio types.

[TopGear1Ds]

everybody's talking about these massive files. specifically how big are we talking? I'm curious.

[pendulum15]

everybody's talking about these massive files. specifically how big are we talking? I'm curious.

I would guess somewhere around the 40-60MB mark... huge huge huge!

[Quad]

Ok would one of the 5D Mk II owners like to chime in and tell us the size of a RAW file at 14 bit and say ISO 1600 and 100. The 5D (12 bit 12.8 MP) puts out files about 12 - 15 MB

[SoundsGood]

I never really thought about the file size, but that's a great point.

Suddenly my "measly" 10 MP 40D is not so bad after all. ;)

[jdizzle]

I want it!!! I don't mind shooting Nikon since I used to be on the dark side before. Come on people!! Let's stimulate the economy!! :):)

[jdizzle]

Ok would one of the 5D Mk II owners like to chime in and tell us the size of a RAW file at 14 bit and say ISO 1600 and 100. The 5D (12 bit 12.8 MP) puts out files about 12 - 15 MB
I could tell you that a 1DS MK III RAW file on average is about 35megs.

[Quad]

Well then Intel and memory makers should be pleased. Luckily intel will be releasing single chip 8 core cpus soon.

[QF-347]

shhhh.. new 1D body next year..
canon might have to push it forward a lil bit now or else
theyll loose competition to nikon.. hmm.. but wat comes
first 1D3 or 1Ds3? around the same time maybe?

[Collin85]

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0812/081201nikond3x.asp

[Collin85]

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0812/081201nikond3x.asp

[radiohead]

£5499 RRP in the UK

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

:rolleyes:

[cdifoto]

£5499 RRP in the UK

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

:rolleyes:
Really isn't that bad when compared to the 1Ds III. IMHO of course.

[radiohead]

Still about £2000 too much though

[cdifoto]

They both are.

[timnosenzo]

They both are.

Exactly. Nikon just kept the price of the 1Ds series inflated. :(

[gnnbtrn]

how do you think new Nikon D3x will effect prices for 1Ds and 1D Mark III????
Will they go down before new 1D body?

[tsaraleksi]

Big effin' files for sure! Your RAW converter is going to whimper.

Except that the camera won't actually put out 16 bit files-- it's exactly the same setup as the D3:

"The choice of selecting bit depths at 12-bit (4,096 tones) or 14-bit (16,384 tones), both yielding incredible image quality through a full 16-bit processing pipeline, enables photographers to choose smaller files at faster operating speeds, as opposed to larger files with smoother tonal gradations at slower operating speeds." -- From the Nikon USA D3 page.

[Madweasel]

The original press release I saw said 14-bit RAW files of 50MB, which would process into a 140MB "16-bit TIFF", so they're NOT 16-bit files from the camera.

[DStanic]

I wonder how image quality (particularly high ISO noise) will compare to the 5DmkII? This D3X can go up to expanded ISO6400, which looks REALLY good on the 5D....

[JoHowdy123]

What does everyone think about this latest revelation?

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0812/081201nikond3x.asp


"Nikon has announced the D3x, its latest high-resultion professional DSLR. Sporting an imaging sensor with double the number of photosites of the popular D3, the 24.5 megapixel D3x includes similar features such as a 3.0", 920,000 dot LCD monitor with Live View, 51-point autofocus, EXPEED image processing and HDMI output. To keep up with the demands of stock photography the camera produces 50MB 14-bit RAW files that can be processed to produce 140MB TIFFs. It also supports Nikon’s wireless system and is compatible with Nikon’s new GP-1 GPS unit."

[JoHowdy123]

Yeah, if i had $8000 it would be going into a 400 2.8 and perhaps some other glass. ;)

[nphsbuckeye]

If only money grew on trees...

[pgulati]

One more contender in the mega pixel race.
We have reached a point where all the latest cameras from Nikon and Canon are worthy. But I would like to see better dynamic range in this new breed.

[05Xrunner]

I wonder how image quality (particularly high ISO noise) will compare to the 5DmkII? This D3X can go up to expanded ISO6400, which looks REALLY good on the 5D....
http://www.photographyblog.com/reviews_nikon_d3x_3.php

[Ocean Blue]

http://www.photographyblog.com/reviews_nikon_d3x_3.php

Nice find. The files are slow to download this evening (line-by-line, reminds me of a dial up modem) - a function of their size or a lot of traffic I wonder.

[The_Camera_Poser]

They just gave a huge boost to 5D MkII sales IMHO!

[DStanic]

http://www.photographyblog.com/reviews_nikon_d3x_3.php

Very sharp at the lower ISOs, but above average noise at ISO1600 and looks like total s**t at ISO6400!

[radiohead]

I'd love to know how many people looking at this camera as a tool will be using it above 1600 or even 800.

About 2 I think.

[AdamJL]

I'd love to know how many people looking at this camera as a tool will be using it above 1600 or even 800.

About 2 I think.

Slight hyperbole there.. :rolleyes:

[radiohead]

I'm serious.

It seems to me that there's a fundamental misunderstanding of who this camera is aimed at, what those photographers do and how they shoot.

High ISO performance has now become the SOLE arbiter of a camera's worth for EVERY application, regardless of how appropriate high ISO use might be for a given application. No-one cares about DR, highlight retention, tonal response and gradation.

[05Xrunner]

for 8grand..I think it should be clean on all its native ISO up to 1600. if people use them or not.

[TheHoff]

For 8 grand, they have a target market... Phase One. That customer will be thrilled to have something that handles easily and is nearing MF quality.

Is it coincidence Nikon made the native ISO 100 instead of 200 and pullable to ISO 50? They don't (and the studio photographers) don't give a hoot about ISO above 400 or 800. Is it coincidence the $30K Phase One backs also go from ISO 50 to 1600?

If the ISO specs don't meet your needs in a camera, you're definitely not the target market.

[AdamJL]

I'm serious.

It seems to me that there's a fundamental misunderstanding of who this camera is aimed at, what those photographers do and how they shoot.

High ISO performance has now become the SOLE arbiter of a camera's worth for EVERY application, regardless of how appropriate high ISO use might be for a given application. No-one cares about DR, highlight retention, tonal response and gradation.

Fair points, but you are completely forgetting the cashed-up amateur market.
Yes, the economies of the world are in trouble, but that won't stop people that can afford these high ticket items purchasing them (a lot of 1Ds III users aren't studio shooters, for sure). And you can bet they will be using higher ISOs (or wanting it)

[jdizzle]

I'd love to know how many people looking at this camera as a tool will be using it above 1600 or even 800.

About 2 I think.
In most of my low light shooting, I have never shot above 1250 ISO. My primary use for this camera will be landscapes, potraiture, and weddings.

[Steve Beck]

I have one on order to compliment my new D3. Exciting times....

[CyberDyneSystems]

Very cool, Nikon finally has a 1Ds in there Stable!
They now compete on all pro playing fields.. ( 1D, 5D and 1Ds ) for the first time since SLRs went "D" :)

[DStanic]

I think the 5D (mkII or classic) is a better wedding camera, since you usually NEED good high ISO performance. Someone with a $800 40D can take as good (possibly better?) low-light ISO1600 ceremony pictures than a $8000 camera? Sure we can use f/1.2 prime lenses but many like their f/2.8 zooms.. Doesn't make much sense to me.

While I agree that there is a target market for this camera this is [almost] 2009 and the technology of a $8000 camera should be able to have CLEAN ISO1600.

[cdifoto]

I think the 5D (mkII or classic) is a better wedding camera, since you usually NEED good high ISO performance. Someone with a $800 40D can take as good (possibly better?) low-light ISO1600 ceremony pictures than a $8000 camera? Sure we can use f/1.2 prime lenses but many like their f/2.8 zooms.. Doesn't make much sense to me.

While I agree that there is a target market for this camera this is [almost] 2009 and the technology of a $8000 camera should be able to have CLEAN ISO1600.
Brides & grooms don't care much about noise. Their perspective is usually from ownership of a P&S.

[vibin247]

I'm actually thinking switching to Nikon because of the D3. Sure, I would lose out a lot by selling my current setup, but I think I would benefit more from the D3. The 1D Mark III would also fit my needs just nicely, but the ISO performance of the D3 is too good to ignore. Hopefully Canon will come out with the 1D Mark IV that will outmatch the specs of the D3.

The new D3X is a nice step up, but I would get more use out of the D3. However I wouldn't mind renting a D3X for those jobs when pristine files are needed.

I'm glad to see Nikon really working on giving Canon something to think about in the future. Will they break more into their market share? Probably not for a while, or if when Canon totally fumbles on their next professional models. This is an amazing time for photography, and it wouldn't be fitting if the two biggest DSLR manufacturers didn't continue duking it out with each other.

[FlyingPhotog]

Very cool, Nikon finally has a 1Ds in there Stable!
They now compete on all pro playing fields.. ( 1D, 5D and 1Ds ) for the first time since SLRs went "D" :)

Should make the next round (PMA '09) rather interesting...

[agarcha]

I'm actually thinking switching to Nikon because of the D3. Sure, I would lose out a lot by selling my current setup, but I think I would benefit more from the D3. The 1D Mark III would also fit my needs just nicely, but the ISO performance of the D3 is too good to ignore. Hopefully Canon will come out with the 1D Mark IV that will outmatch the specs of the D3.

The new D3X is a nice step up, but I would get more use out of the D3. However I wouldn't mind renting a D3X for those jobs when pristine files are needed.

I'm glad to see Nikon really working on giving Canon something to think about in the future. Will they break more into their market share? Probably not for a while, or if when Canon totally fumbles on their next professional models. This is an amazing time for photography, and it wouldn't be fitting if the two biggest DSLR manufacturers didn't continue duking it out with each other.

Why not go with the D700?

[Karl Johnston]

I just saw the price on this thing at vistek.ca

9500 $ body alone. They're competing directly with phase 1's price...but looking at that price...is it really worth it? I could never justify buying a full frame DSLR for 10 THOUSAND dollars. Especially a nikon :D lol

[jdizzle]

I just saw the price on this thing at vistek.ca

9500 $ body alone. They're competing directly with phase 1's price...but looking at that price...is it really worth it? I could never justify buying a full frame DSLR for 10 THOUSAND dollars. Especially a nikon :D lol
If you check on the Nikon USA website, it retails for 8K. :)

[Karl Johnston]

Oh god more anti-canadianism blasphemy from the retailers ! :O!

[jdizzle]

Oh god more anti-canadianism blasphemy from the retailers ! :O!
I hear ya on that! :)

[TheHoff]

Oh god more anti-canadianism blasphemy from the retailers ! :O!

Have you seen the exchange lately!? Almost 1.3 again :(

[radiohead]

Fair points, but you are completely forgetting the cashed-up amateur market.
Yes, the economies of the world are in trouble, but that won't stop people that can afford these high ticket items purchasing them (a lot of 1Ds III users aren't studio shooters, for sure). And you can bet they will be using higher ISOs (or wanting it)

In which case the D3 exists for them.

Nikon have a choice - reclaim the professional market for which they are reknowned, or go after the cashed-up amateurs. They've opted for the latters.

Now I'm guessing they've done some research and the D3x comes as a result of that. I've got a niggly feeling that they've spoken to stock agency shooters, fashion and ad pros, landscape pros and the D3x is for them. Not a rich Uncle Bob. With Canon owning the high-res DSLR market they HAVE to do this, whether or not the Uncle Bob's like it.

[northpointphoto]

D3x Image Samples:
http://www.nikon-image.com/jpn/products/camera/slr/digital/d3x/sample.htm
http://www.studioimpressionsphotography.com/blog/2008/11/nikon-d3x-sample-images/

6400 ISO Example
http://www.akam.no/bilder/eksempelbilder/nikon_d3x/d3x_glass_6400.jpg


Screenshot of one of the Sample images with EXIF and file info (click for larger)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3198/3079849257_36525957e7.jpg (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3198/3079849257_c868105847_o.png)

[DStanic]

While I still think that Canon (5D mkII to be specific) has better high ISO performance, I have to admit these Nikon pics have got to be the sharpest looking photos I've ever seen!

[vibin247]

Why not go with the D700?

While I like the smaller package, I love the ergonomics of the professional bodies. Plus, I'm not a big fan of the pop-up flash. The D700 is more economical, but I find the D3 more satisfying in the long run.

[hbdragon88]

While I like the smaller package, I love the ergonomics of the professional bodies. Plus, I'm not a big fan of the pop-up flash. The D700 is more economical, but I find the D3 more satisfying in the long run.

Well, you could just not use it...does the pop up flash distract that much? I love my 420EX, but I don't think less of my 20D for it having a pop-up flash. In fact, I sort of like blinding myself with the ridiculous ETTL preflash. :cool:

I do agree on the professional feel, though. I've held my friend's EOS-1D Mark II and it is niiicceeeee. Feels so solid compared to my 20D+grip.

[Ocean Blue]

While I like the smaller package, I love the ergonomics of the professional bodies. Plus, I'm not a big fan of the pop-up flash. The D700 is more economical, but I find the D3 more satisfying in the long run.

It's certainly optional, but I'd suggest that you might find it nice to have a source of fill light in a pinch, plus it does act as a wireless strobe commander unit, which can save $399 in your getting started with a Nikon creative lighting system. I have a photo in mind this week where I'll use an SB-900 on a stand reflecting into an umbrella and trigger it wirelessly - with full iTTL info - with the on-camera flash. In my opinion it doesn't distract any from the quality of the body - this D700 is a little D3 and feels / performs that way. Not to try and talk you out of a D3 of course.

[northpointphoto]

While I like the smaller package, I love the ergonomics of the professional bodies. Plus, I'm not a big fan of the pop-up flash. The D700 is more economical, but I find the D3 more satisfying in the long run.

Yes the pop-up flash can be annoying but the one huge advantage to the pop-up flash is the ability to use the Nikon CLS system.

[FlyingPhotog]

Is the Nikon CLS more/less reliable than the Canon ST-E2?
Does it work better in broad daylight?

[northpointphoto]

I cant vouch for the Canon ST-E2 because I have never used it.

IMO the Nikon CLS is *nicer* because it comes already built into the camera so all you need is a CLS capable flash (SB-30, SB-50DX, SB-80DX, SB-R200, SB-600, SB-800, SB-900).

With the Canon ST-E2 you have to buy the transmitter and a flash. For same price as the Canon System you could buy two Nikon flashes and have a two flash, off camera set up.

The only downside I have found to using the Nikon CLS system is you have to have pretty good line of site between the camera and the receiver on the flash unit.

[vibin247]

The pop-up flash is nice in a pinch, but I don't use it enough to justify having it. Plus, there were several times that I would accidentally activate it when not needed. It's great that the D700's pop-up flash acts as a Wireless Commander, but I'm not dealing with multiple flashes at this point. If I were going an expedition, or long vacation, and weight is an issue, I would have no qualms leaving a D3 and bringing along a D700.

[Ocean Blue]

The pop-up flash is nice in a pinch, but I don't use it enough to justify having it. Plus, there were several times that I would accidentally activate it when not needed. It's great that the D700's pop-up flash acts as a Wireless Commander, but I'm not dealing with multiple flashes at this point. If I were going an expedition, or long vacation, and weight is an issue, I would have no qualms leaving a D3 and bringing along a D700.

A D3 is a nice body, no question. I don't understand how one could activate the flash on a D700 unintentionally. You mean by somehow hitting the unlock button for the latch? It's no where near a hand position, if that's a concern.

[vibin247]

A D3 is a nice body, no question. I don't understand how one could activate the flash on a D700 unintentionally. You mean by somehow hitting the unlock button for the latch? It's no where near a hand position, if that's a concern.

I use the depth of field button on my 40D often, and sometimes I push the pop flash button by mistake. This also happens when I shoot vertically and manually focus. If it's nowhere near a hand position on the D700, that's good enough for me.

[Steve Beck]

As a recent switcher tot he dark side, I can add the flash system on the Nikon is way ahead of Canon's (this is ym opinion of course). I just recieved my packahe with the Nikon CTO kit. The sb900 knows which color cto I have on (they have little pads on them that tells the camera/flash) so the camera automagically adjust for the color cto on the flash. Lots of other reasons i wont go in to on this thread.

[PacAce]

Nikon D3x on the NikonUSA.com website:

http://nikonusa.com/Find-Your-Nikon/Product/Digital-SLR/25442/D3X.html

[jdizzle]

Nikon D3x on the NikonUSA.com website:

http://nikonusa.com/Find-Your-Nikon/Product/Digital-SLR/25442/D3X.html
I'm on that site everyday drooling over the D3X. I even love their lens lineup.
My faves are the 14-24, 24-70, 70-200, 200-400 and the 85 1.4. That would pretty much cover what I need. :D The price on the 200 F2 is sweet!

[TheHoff]

As a recent switcher tot he dark side, I can add the flash system on the Nikon is way ahead of Canon's (this is ym opinion of course). I just recieved my packahe with the Nikon CTO kit. The sb900 knows which color cto I have on (they have little pads on them that tells the camera/flash) so the camera automagically adjust for the color cto on the flash. Lots of other reasons i wont go in to on this thread.

Man I'd love the gels built in... I never remember to take them out when they'd be useful.

[PacAce]

Man I'd love the gels built in... I never remember to take them out when they'd be useful.
Well, they're not built into the flash body but there is a pocket on the flash case where you can store the gels and the gel holder so that they'll always be available, assuming you use the case to keep the flash in. I don't, though, so I never have them when I really need them, unless I'm at home. :|

[TheHoff]

Ah for some reason I thought they were built in like Canon gave us the bounce card and WA diffuser.

[hbdragon88]

Why was the old July speculation thread merged in with radiohead's offiicial announcement one (which was in photography industry news) merged in with the YouTube video ones which now bear the title "Canon, Nikon & Sony"?

[CyberDyneSystems]

It seems someone added the link to the You tube video the the "real" thread about the D3x,.. and thus at a cursory glance it was merely yet another of the dozen or so lonks to teh Youtube video we have been inundated with since its being posted on Youtube.

An oversite, that I hope I have remedied.

As for the Rumor Vs Announcement, that one I am not going to try to fix (it all has to be done manually) as once the actual announcement took place, the rumor thread remained active with info of the actual product as well. At least it's all on topic.

[mattograph]

As a recent switcher tot he dark side, I can add the flash system on the Nikon is way ahead of Canon's (this is ym opinion of course). I just recieved my packahe with the Nikon CTO kit. The sb900 knows which color cto I have on (they have little pads on them that tells the camera/flash) so the camera automagically adjust for the color cto on the flash. Lots of other reasons i wont go in to on this thread.

What happens when the gel wears out? Do you have to buy Nikon gels?

What if you want to use the gel and trick out the wb settings for effect?

[pendulum15]

What happens when the gel wears out? Do you have to buy Nikon gels?

What if you want to use the gel and trick out the wb settings for effect?

Don't use auto WB then :D

I think that you have to buy nikon gels if they wear out, but I read somewhere you can fabricate your own....

[airfrogusmc]

Ah for some reason I thought they were built in like Canon gave us the bounce card and WA diffuser.

I know you can buy a pack thats like $25 and they fit my Metz 58 perfectly :D

To small for my 580s

In the pack is heavy tungsten and lighter tungsten heavy fluorescent and light flourescent amber red green blue 2 of each. Only $25 and the fold and you stick the folded part in the top of the flash head.

[Bubble]

it is available to order now via Amazon. :)

[mxwphoto]

Is it just me or does this whole thing seem like a Sony a900 sensor in a Nikon d3 body? Same megapixel count, same max ISO, same 5fps, and from photos, about the same bad 6400 ISO noise... all the same except the price - you can get a complete system on the Sony for the price of the Nikon body!

[manipula]

You are aware of course that Sony supply many of Nikon's sensors, therefore that comment's kinda obvious? Personally having used an A900 a few times now, I'm throughly underwhelmed. The mirror clatter is horrible, and the noise is a bit OTT for what I'd prefer to shoot, but that said, if anyone knows how to control noise and that jazz it's Nikon currently.

[ron chappel]

Is it just me or does this whole thing seem like a Sony a900 sensor in a Nikon d3 body? Same megapixel count, same max ISO, same 5fps, and from photos, about the same bad 6400 ISO noise... all the same except the price - you can get a complete system on the Sony for the price of the Nikon body!



Two points-
There is NO WAY the nikon high ISO noise is as bad as the sony!
And the D3x is a pro body after all.Look at the price difference between the 5Dmk2 and 1Dsmk3

That said tho -A retail price of us$8000 is a really dumb thing ,no question!

[Ocean Blue]

Two points-
There is NO WAY the nikon high ISO noise is as bad as the sony!
And the D3x is a pro body after all.Look at the price difference between the 5Dmk2 and 1Dsmk3

That said tho -A retail price of us$8000 is a really dumb thing ,no question!

Folks - have you looked at any of the D3x / Sony A900 comparisons out there? The D3x noise is very, very good. Much better than the Sony.

Here's a comparison from the Luminous Landscape site of the D3x, A900, and 5D Mk II. http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/big-three.shtml
The links to different camera noise tests are half-way down the page.

"I see no significant noise difference between the Nikon D3x, Canon 5D MKII and Sony A900 up to and including ISO 800.

At ISO 1600 and higher the Sony falls behind the Canon and Nikon by about 1 EV. It's simply a noisier camera at high ISO.

From ISO 1600 to ISO 6400 the Canon 5D MKII and the Nikon D3x are neck and neck. I think that the visible differences on-screen at I00% are a quibble, and on prints are completely irrelevant."

As much as Ken Rockwell annoys me, he does have some interesting 5D MK II / D3x comparison shots (JPEGs of course, it's Ken) on his site:

Comparison of D3x, D3, and 5D MK II at ISO 3200:
http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/d3x/iso-3200-5d-mark-ii-d3.htm

Comparison of D3x, D3, and 5D MK II at ISO 6400:
http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/d3x/iso-6400-5d-mark-ii-d3.htm

Here's his D3x vs. 5D Sharpness (resolving) comparison:
http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/d3x/sharpness-comparison-5d-mark-ii.htm