I think I'm sold on a Mac after using i-Movie

[nudesofasia]

Hello all,

I recently bought a Canon HF11 and the sale came with a free video making course run by Canon.

I registered and went along.. the course was OK, but they didn't really teach us much. The most impressive part of the course was that they had a bunch of Macs set up with the i-Movie video editing software running.

I was really impressed with i-Movie. The ease it offers by using drag and drop for everything makes editing soooo easy.
I've never owned a Mac and never considered owning one until now.. mainly because I didn't think they were compatible with all the windows software, but how wrong I was.
The guys running the course showed me the 'bootcamp' set up. It allows you to boot up the Mac as a PC using windows!!

I think I'm sold on a Mac.. can anyone point out any negatives, besides the price tag?

Cheers,

Nudes

[Jim G]

If you don't get many resopnses here perhaps try posting in the Computers section?

[Nukey]

I use a Macbook Pro and I love it! There is the odd piece of software that isn't available on Mac OS, or that I've already paid for on PC (and don't want to re-buy) but for those situations I use VMWare Fusion. VMWare Fusion allows you to run Windows and Mac OS at the same time, so you can have both PC and Mac programs running at the same time. Unless you're needing to run Windows natively for some reason (e.g. advanced graphics) I would say that Fusion is more convenient, as you don't need to reboot every time you want to run a Windows program.

Just be sure you get enough RAM! Apple can be overpriced with their RAM so I'd buy it elsewhere.

[nudesofasia]

If you don't get many resopnses here perhaps try posting in the Computers section?

There's a computers section?? I'm not seeing it.. but then it is 4am here, so maybe my eyes aren't adjusting properly.

[nudesofasia]

I use a Macbook Pro and I love it! There is the odd piece of software that isn't available on Mac OS, or that I've already paid for on PC (and don't want to re-buy) but for those situations I use VMWare Fusion. VMWare Fusion allows you to run Windows and Mac OS at the same time, so you can have both PC and Mac programs running at the same time. Unless you're needing to run Windows natively for some reason (e.g. advanced graphics) I would say that Fusion is more convenient, as you don't need to reboot every time you want to run a Windows program.

Just be sure you get enough RAM! Apple can be overpriced with their RAM so I'd buy it elsewhere.

My thoughts exactly.. I'll need a lot of ram to run both operating systems at once.
Thanks for your advice.

[Matthew Craggs]

I would definitely go Mac. If not for the computer itself, than for the operating system which is an absolute joy to use compared to any Windows system. Besides, I have yet to find a piece of software for PC that I can't find for Mac. There is always a Mac version, or another piece of software that does the same thing.

I could go on and on about why I prefer Mac over PC, but I won't bore everyone. Just get one :)

[FlyingPhotog]

Windows Movie Maker is actually not a bad program either...

I've washed sections of projects through it for certain effects that I was mainly doing on Avid Express DV!

[jft158]

I just got an iMac 2 days ago. After never using a Mac before, I can say its been a learning experience. I can't say at this point thats its worth 2x that of a comparable PC but it is fun to play with and offers a few neat programs to go along with my ipods and iphone. I bought it to do photo and video processing. The only negative I can think of is the learning curve after years of Microsoft brainwashing :-). If your looking to upgrade then try it. I have seen they hold their value better than a PC. Good luck...

[Nukey]

Just thought of another thing...
If you're looking to do some serious video editing, consider Final Cut Express:
http://www.apple.com/finalcutexpress/

It has a good chunk of the functionality of the Pro version without the crazy price tag! :)

[rooeey]

Nudes....
I macs are great for video and photo editing but I movie is easy and effective not to mention Iphoto for stills......
Load up the Ram and the best place i know of to buy is crucial www.crucial.com I found them reliable and heaps cheaper than any one here on this god forsaken Island......

[osv]

you can't edit native avchd on a mac, unless premiere cs4 for the mac can do it(??)... and you can't easily burn blu-ray discs on a mac, either, remember that steve jobs hates blu-ray.

get a quadcore pc, and you'll have a lot more editing options.

[maxblack]

If you are running the Mac as a PC it is.

[nudesofasia]

Nudes....
I macs are great for video and photo editing but I movie is easy and effective not to mention Iphoto for stills......
Load up the Ram and the best place i know of to buy is crucial www.crucial.com (http://www.crucial.com) I found them reliable and heaps cheaper than any one here on this god forsaken Island......

Thanks for the info everyone who replied.. I'm going to buy a Mac in the new year. :eek:

[saiminyaku]

Nudes....
I macs are great for video and photo editing but I movie is easy and effective not to mention Iphoto for stills......
Load up the Ram and the best place i know of to buy is crucial www.crucial.com (http://www.crucial.com) I found them reliable and heaps cheaper than any one here on this god forsaken Island......
+1 +1 +1 +1

<--running 2 Intel Xeon processors, 8 cores with 8GB of RAM (Mac Pro). :)

[red hot sheep]

you can't edit native avchd on a mac, unless premiere cs4 for the mac can do it(??)... and you can't easily burn blu-ray discs on a mac, either, remember that steve jobs hates blu-ray.

get a quadcore pc, and you'll have a lot more editing options.

Premiere Pro CS4 will do avchd on a Mac.

I recently got a Macbook Pro and absolutely love it.

[dicky c]

I have a macbook (non-pro) but recently have purchased a windows desktop. I love my macbook, but without a dedicated video card and limited upgrade options, I had to move on. The video card is required for certain video plug-ins. Specifically Magic Bullet Looks.

[tripsis]

I've owned Macs my whole life and I absolutely love them :) Honestly, price tag aside, with BootCamp easily available what reasons do you have to NOT buy a Mac? You can get the best of both worlds.

[saiminyaku]

you can't edit native avchd on a mac, unless premiere cs4 for the mac can do it(??)... and you can't easily burn blu-ray discs on a mac, either, remember that steve jobs hates blu-ray.

get a quadcore pc, and you'll have a lot more editing options.
-_-

i suppose an external unit and Toast 9 Titanium with sufficient plugins is totally out of the question for blu-ray then?

a tid bit of a sarcastic undertone should be noted in my response.

[osv]

-_-

i suppose an external unit and Toast 9 Titanium with sufficient plugins is totally out of the question for blu-ray then?



is that your idea of a professional blu-ray authoring solution? :rolleyes:

why pay the mac hardware premium to use a pc editing app like premiere pro? that makes zero sense.

the market speaks for itself... and good luck editing native avchd on a laptop:

Analyst: November Mac Sales Off Nearly 40 Percent
By Erika Morphy
MacNewsWorld
12/16/08 3:10 PM PT
The consumer malaise hasn't spared Apple. Sales of Mac computers foundered in November, dropping 38 percent compared with November 2007...
Apple (http://www.apple.com/) (Nasdaq: AAPL) http://www.macnewsworld.com/images/new/icon-inline-shop.gif http://www.macnewsworld.com/images/new/icon-inline-search.gif (http://www.macnewsworld.com/perl/search.pl?query=Apple&scope=network) is having a rough week. On Sunday, Goldman Sachs downgraded its stock (http://www.macnewsworld.com/story/65506.html) to "neutral" from "buy," citing a poor selling environment. In fact, Apple's desktop sales dropped 38 percent in November compared with year-ago figures, according to research firm NPD Group (http://www.npd.com/corpServlet?nextpage=corp_welcome.html).
Non-Apple desktop sales dropped just 15 percent, it said. Overall, sales of desktop systems fell 20 percent for the month.
The bright spot for Apple was its mobile computing line: Notebook (http://www.macnewsworld.com/story/Analyst-November-Mac-Sales-Off-Nearly-40-Percent-65529.html#) sales were up 22 percent, compared to a 15 percent increase in sales of other notebook http://www.macnewsworld.com/images/new/icon-inline-shop.gif brands.
The recession is a factor in this decline, of course. Another problem is that the iMac is beginning to show its age. "It is getting old," Stephen Baker, NPD's vice president of industry analysis, told MacNewsWorld. "Meanwhile, we have seen price declines in [other] desktop systems while the iMac remains expensive."

[saiminyaku]

is that your idea of a professional blu-ray authoring solution? :rolleyes:

why pay the mac hardware premium to use a pc editing app like premiere pro? that makes zero sense.

the market speaks for itself... and good luck editing native avchd on a laptop:

Analyst: November Mac Sales Off Nearly 40 Percent
By Erika Morphy
MacNewsWorld
12/16/08 3:10 PM PT
The consumer malaise hasn't spared Apple. Sales of Mac computers foundered in November, dropping 38 percent compared with November 2007...
Apple (http://www.apple.com/) (Nasdaq: AAPL) http://www.macnewsworld.com/images/new/icon-inline-shop.gif http://www.macnewsworld.com/images/new/icon-inline-search.gif (http://www.macnewsworld.com/perl/search.pl?query=Apple&scope=network) is having a rough week. On Sunday, Goldman Sachs downgraded its stock (http://www.macnewsworld.com/story/65506.html) to "neutral" from "buy," citing a poor selling environment. In fact, Apple's desktop sales dropped 38 percent in November compared with year-ago figures, according to research firm NPD Group (http://www.npd.com/corpServlet?nextpage=corp_welcome.html).
Non-Apple desktop sales dropped just 15 percent, it said. Overall, sales of desktop systems fell 20 percent for the month.
The bright spot for Apple was its mobile computing line: Notebook (http://www.macnewsworld.com/story/Analyst-November-Mac-Sales-Off-Nearly-40-Percent-65529.html#) sales were up 22 percent, compared to a 15 percent increase in sales of other notebook http://www.macnewsworld.com/images/new/icon-inline-shop.gif brands.
The recession is a factor in this decline, of course. Another problem is that the iMac is beginning to show its age. "It is getting old," Stephen Baker, NPD's vice president of industry analysis, told MacNewsWorld. "Meanwhile, we have seen price declines in [other] desktop systems while the iMac remains expensive."
who said i used Premiere Pro? hahahaha. de-interlacing works better than you think and there are PLENTY of other solutions other than Adobe (which isn't bad either) for what i do and i happen to own quite a few of them.

p.s.
my specs are reason enough to pay what i did.

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[osv]

who said i used Premiere Pro? hahahaha. de-interlacing works better than you think and there are PLENTY of other solutions other than Adobe (which isn't bad either) for what i do and i happen to own quite a few of them.

you inferred that toast is an option for authoring blu-ray, which isn't an option for pros who need real dvds.

tell us about those PLENTY of other solutions to pro blu-ray authoring on a mac.

[saiminyaku]

you inferred that toast is an option for authoring blu-ray, which isn't an option for pros who need real dvds.

tell us about those PLENTY of other solutions to pro blu-ray authoring on a mac.
you like reading what you want despite what actually was written, don't you? i said, i have plenty of other solutions to do "what i want."

enlighten me, what makes a DVD "real?"

[Stealthy Ninja]

you can't edit native avchd on a mac, unless premiere cs4 for the mac can do it(??)... and you can't easily burn blu-ray discs on a mac, either, remember that steve jobs hates blu-ray.

get a quadcore pc, and you'll have a lot more editing options.

True, if you want to burn (and author) blu-ray you need Adobe CS4 products. Which sucks. You can burn them with TOAST no problem though.

But you can edit avchd with final cut pro 6 (you need to log and transfer to do it... if you're using HDD based camcorder).

Thing is, blu-ray is still a fairly new product. Steve Jobs does need to do something about the lack of blu-ray support in final cut studio though. The work around would be pretty annoying if you needed blu-ray (which personally I've never needed, but I can sympathise).


Don't involve me in any fights/bashing/flaming etc. please. :)

[saiminyaku]

True, if you want to burn (and author) blu-ray you need Adobe CS4 products. Which sucks. You can burn them with TOAST no problem though.

But you can edit avchd with final cut pro 6 (you need to log and transfer to do it... if you're using HDD based camcorder).

Thing is, blu-ray is still a fairly new product. Steve Jobs does need to do something about the lack of blu-ray support in final cut studio though. The work around would be pretty annoying if you needed blu-ray (which personally I've never needed, but I can sympathise).


Don't involve me in any fights/bashing/flaming etc. please. :)
i seem to have been doing my own share of selective reading as i kind of overlooked a pretty vital part of osv's argument -- the word, authoring. that also, explains your use of the term professional.

perhaps i should sleep more often.

i use an FS-C DTE HDD to bring everything into FCS6 and have had no problems so far for what i do, but the workflow could be much smoother. i am confident that apple will do something about this; whether it be blind faith or not, it just doesn't seem likely that steve jobs would let the up and coming Sony NLE, Vegas get one over them over shear bias.

it just seems improbable.

[medic-on-fire]

Once you go Mac, you'll never go back!

Seriously, having both PC and Mac machines in my home office, I hardly ever use my PC. There is a little bit of a learning curve when you initially switch to Mac, but I think in just a few sessions with your Apple machine, you'll find the UI to be far more intuitive than your PC. I'm sure you'll find yourself to be a "Born-again-Mac-User" in no time at all....

Good luck! ;-)

[Stealthy Ninja]

Once you go Mac, you'll never go back!

Seriously, having both PC and Mac machines in my home office, I hardly ever use my PC. There is a little bit of a learning curve when you initially switch to Mac, but I think in just a few sessions with your Apple machine, you'll find the UI to be far more intuitive than your PC. I'm sure you'll find yourself to be a "Born-again-Mac-User" in no time at all....

Good luck! ;-)

That's right.

I only use PC for... scanning on my work photocopier/scanner (no mac software solution for it... ).

At home I have a Mac and a PC. My kids use the PC for playing on the net. That's all the use it really gets.

I'd better get out of here before the PC guys discover this thread and go Mac basing. :lol:

[saiminyaku]

That's right.

I only use PC for... scanning on my work photocopier/scanner (no mac software solution for it... ).

At home I have a Mac and a PC. My kids use the PC for playing on the net. That's all the use it really gets.

I'd better get out of here before the PC guys discover this thread and go Mac bashing. :lol:
i was just thinking the same thing, hahaha.

[Tony-S]

why pay the mac hardware premium to use a pc editing app like premiere pro? that makes zero sense.

It makes perfect sense. It's a lot cheaper to buy one computer and run two (or more) OS's on it, than to buy two computers.

the market speaks for itself...

Maybe that's why Apple's sitting on $25 billion in the bank, and Dell's approaching chapter 11.

[osv]

you like reading what you want despite what actually was written, don't you? i said, i have plenty of other solutions to do "what i want."


i twice asked you to elaborate on these other solutions that you keep bragging about, but you never give us the details.

are you really authoring pro blu-ray dvds?

[osv]

It makes perfect sense. It's a lot cheaper to buy one computer and run two (or more) OS's on it, than to buy two computers.

the only reason that you want two computers in the first place is because the mac platform is too limited.

for instance... there are probably at least 10x more software apps available for the pc than for the mac, and of course macs have major hardware limitations, as was pointed out earlier in this thread.

the mac platform is totally proprietary, mac users can't add hardware nearly as easily as pc users can... there is no white box capability with macs, because jobs refuses to license the mac o.s.

Maybe that's why Apple's sitting on $25 billion in the bank, and Dell's approaching chapter 11.

how much of that cash bonus came from itunes, iphones, etc.

only about 5% of the computers on the internet are macs, which reflects the apple market share of desktop computers.

the apple cash surplus is the direct result of excessively high profit margins that came at the hands of the mac faithful... why do you think that steve jobs refuses to license the mac o.s.? he thinks that it's much more profitable to screw you over at the cash register.

you can thank steve jobs for making macs a bit player in a huge market.

[gregpphoto]

I think I'm sold on a Mac.. can anyone point out any negatives, besides the price tag?


If you want to consider living 10 years longer due to a reduced level of stress, never having to worry about how to install something, never having any of the bogus, totally illogical, totally FRUSTRATING problems associated with a PC, if you want to consider all of those points to be negative, well, those will be the only negative points I could think of.

I got a Mac after a lifelong usage of PC's, and I was a little daunted. I mean, it's a whole new operating system, right? It's gonna be hard?!? Nothing could be further from the truth. I probably have way less computer skills than your average mid twenty year old, but I picked up how a Mac works in less than two days. Everything is so, so LOGICAL!!! If I want to change a preference on some program, oh! I go to "preferences" under that programs name at the top of the screen!! Oh my! You mean I don't have to look through lines of code and computer gibberish to find something?

A few examples of why I love Mac:

1. Pop a hard drive in and run it, no hardware installations or compatibility issues.
2. Need to quit something? "Force Quit" works every time. I've sat around for twenty minutes (kid you not) at a clip trying to quit one program through task manager on windows.
3. Sleek interface without the cluttered feel of windows (I guess that's an opinion but I think most Mac users would agree)
4. NO VIRUSES! (knock on wood)
5. White plastic is cooler than black plastic.

True, there may be less programs available for Mac users, but if it is art related, it's on a Mac and it'll run better than on a windows. I know people who would kill me if they heard that, they'd say "No way man I hooked up my PC with this much of that and that much of this and it's so much faster than your mac." That's true, no doubt about it. But my Mac is stock, so it could run faster if I chose. And more important to me than speed is reliability. I could never have the same confidence in my machine's ability to not destroy my work or blue-screen-of-death me either if I didn't have a Mac. It is a proprietary system, but at least these guys know what they're doing. I can say they're probably the only company that I have trust in to always pump out great (if expensive) products. And if price is an issue you can always get a refurbished, or as I like to call em, certified pre-owned Macs, from Apple.

There is one little thing: The rainbow wheel, the Mac equivalent of the hourglass. It sucks, we all hate it, but at least it will stop eventually.

[osv]

i might have seen the blue screen of death once this year, maybe last spring, when i lost a hard drive? reliability is not an issue with a pc, if you know what you are doing.

lets talk about some of the drawbacks to a closed platform like the mac... afaik, i can't natively edit the h.264 footage off of the canon with fcp, which forces me to transcode to either aic or prores, and nobody in their right mind would pick aic over prores... so there is really only one choice, how come apple doesn't support codecs that are common to the pc platform? will any pc applications support prores or aic?

will the quicktime player decode aic-encoded footage? up until recently, it wouldn't even decode prores files? apple can't even support it's own proprietary codecs, much less open standards like avchd.

[gregpphoto]

i might have seen the blue screen of death once this year, maybe last spring, when i lost a hard drive? reliability is not an issue with a pc, if you know what you are doing.

Exactly. Why should I have to be an expert to know how to use a piece of technology that supposed to make life easier? I'm a photographer not a programmer. I feel that whoever designed windows hated people and wanted them to suffer. Not for nothing, but I think it's pretty common place to hear people complain about their pc's. I've talked to dozens upon dozens of fellow Mac users and exactly one person had a problem with theirs.

lets talk about some of the drawbacks to a closed platform like the mac... afaik, i can't natively edit the h.264 footage off of the canon with fcp, which forces me to transcode to either aic or prores, and nobody in their right mind would pick aic over prores... so there is really only one choice, how come apple doesn't support codecs that are common to the pc platform? will any pc applications support prores or aic?

Now that I can't say anything about, literally, because I don't even know what any of that stuff means!

[saiminyaku]

the only reason that you want two computers in the first place is because the mac platform is too limited.

for instance... there are probably at least 10x more software apps available for the pc than for the mac, and of course macs have major hardware limitations, as was pointed out earlier in this thread.

the mac platform is totally proprietary, mac users can't add hardware nearly as easily as pc users can... there is no white box capability with macs, because jobs refuses to license the mac o.s.
hahahahaha, what? as far as adding hardware is concerned...it has NEVER been easier for me now that i own an Intel-based Mac machine such as the Mac Pro tower.

let me put it this way:
1. 2 Intel Xeon processors
2. 8 Cores
3. 8GB of RAM
4. 1 Tower

limitations? haven't hit a dead end yet and as far as i know, XP cannot even recognize 8GB of RAM, hahaha.

::done::

[gregpphoto]

let me put it this way:
1. 2 Intel Xeon processors
2. 8 Cores
3. 8GB of RAM
4. 1 Tower

:: Drooling ::

[Stealthy Ninja]

These threads always end in a PC vs Mac festival. :rolleyes:

:lol:

Let's add "Nikon vs Canon" and "UV protective filter vs None" and have the ultimate POTN debate thread.

It would get 1000 pages I think. :lol:

[harroz]

If you go an imac wait until January, they should be coming out with new ones very soon, speculations are quadcore and led screens. who knows though but it is definitely worth waiting a few weeks for. go a mac lol

[saiminyaku]

If you go an imac wait until January, they should be coming out with new ones very soon, speculations are quadcore and led screens. who knows though but it is definitely worth waiting a few weeks for. go a mac lol
i think Apple's lips are even tighter than Canon's when it comes to upcoming releases.

[whiteflyer]

If you go an imac wait until January, they should be coming out with new ones very soon, speculations are quadcore and led screens. who knows though but it is definitely worth waiting a few weeks for. go a mac lol


I'm listen to you.

I've been humming and ahing for months now on a mac pro, but now going to wait till end of Jan. Depend on what they come out with I may go down to iMac

Quad Core and more than 4GB Ram in a 24" Imac and I'm there. :) Then again 8 Core and 12 GB plus 4 hard Drives :lol::lol:


On a more interesting point Apple have dropped the 23" Cinema Display why???

[saiminyaku]

I'm listen to you.

I've been humming and ahing for months now on a mac pro, but now going to wait till end of Jan. Depend on what they come out with I may go down to iMac

Quad Core and more than 4GB Ram in a 24" Imac and I'm there. :) Then again 8 Core and 12 GB plus 4 hard Drives :lol::lol:


On a more interesting point Apple have dropped the 23" Cinema Display why???
i don't know, but i'm glad i have two of them. :D

quite odd though, if what you say is true.

[osv]

that's not a mac, saim, it's a pc, dell had it on the market before apple did, and xp will support 128 gb of ram, so hahahahahaha ;-)

apple continues to flounder, so far they have bailed out of nab, apple expo paris, macworld expo boston, and macworld expo san francisco... not that they'll be going out of business anytime soon, because of the aforementioned huge but dwindling stash of cash.

how come none of you mac guys know if the quicktime player supports aic playback? this is a video forum.

hahahahaha, what? as far as adding hardware is concerned...it has NEVER been easier for me now that i own an Intel-based Mac machine such as the Mac Pro tower.

let me put it this way:
1. 2 Intel Xeon processors
2. 8 Cores
3. 8GB of RAM
4. 1 Tower

limitations? haven't hit a dead end yet and as far as i know, XP cannot even recognize 8GB of RAM, hahaha.

::done::

[gregpphoto]

that's not a mac, saim, it's a pc, dell had it on the market before apple did, and xp will support 128 gb of ram, so hahahahahaha ;-)

apple continues to flounder, so far they have bailed out of nab, apple expo paris, macworld expo boston, and macworld expo san francisco... not that they'll be going out of business anytime soon, because of the aforementioned huge but dwindling stash of cash.


What I laugh at is that Windows HAD TO CHANGE THE NAME OF THEIR OPERATING SYSTEM and spend millions of advertising "Mojave" just to try to SCAM people into buying their product.

To me, Mac is is like the Jews. People will forever hate them because they are hard-working and successful at what they do and they don't want anyone else getting a slice of their pie. You go, Jews and Macs.

[Dan-]

how come none of you mac guys know if the quicktime player supports aic playback? this is a video forum.
It does. I just loaded an AVI in Quicktime then exported it as Apple Intermediate Codec then played it back. Works fine. It even plays when I use quick look (hit spacebar).

[gregpphoto]

From Wired: Microsoft, Apple's rival to the north, dominated by encouraging computer manufacturers to build their offerings around its software. Sure, that strategy could result in an inferior user experience and lots of cut-rate Wintel machines...

http://www.portfolio.com/news-markets/top-5/2008/03/19/Wired-How-Apple-Got-It-Right#page5

[BSBXTi]

I'm using a MAC BOOK PRO right now, got it over the summer, and basically I can't find anything wrong with it! I love it!!! :) Out of all of the laptops I have used it has the nicest touch pad for cursor control and movement. My father recently bought a very nice HP and his is terrible next to the MAC. I never thought I would say this, but MACs rock!!! :)

[BSBXTi]

These threads always end in a PC vs Mac festival. :rolleyes:

:lol:

Let's add "Nikon vs Canon" and "UV protective filter vs None" and have the ultimate POTN debate thread.

It would get 1000 pages I think. :lol:

HAHAHA I like that :D I love MACs but PCs are fine. Vista looks nice. I'm not picky really. If I can edit my photos, browse the web, and listen to music, then I'm settle :)

[fred maurer]

Another thumbs up for a MacBook Pro !!

[saiminyaku]

that's not a mac, saim, it's a pc, dell had it on the market before apple did, and xp will support 128 gb of ram, so hahahahahaha ;-)
pretty sure it's a Mac Pro, dude. i'm also pretty sure it isn't a Dell, but then again, i don't know, i guess i am going to reference a whole bunch of silicon valley nonsense to get some imaginary upper hand in an online debate.

i would continue further with all of this, but i do recall saying i was "done" with your jaded standpoint -- you're not going to stop taking chops at Apple no matter the argument put up against you. i know i haven't been cutting down PCs other than making my remark about XP (which i still stand to believe).

::unsubscribes::

[Stealthy Ninja]

It all comes down to a big: "Who cares".

Seriously, if you like one type of computer use it. :)

[osv]

don't get upset, lol, i was joking with you about the mac o.s. running on intel pc hardware :cool: both apple and dell sell the computer that you were referring to... and yes, it's a fact that the 64-bit version of xp will support 128gb of ram.

i think that it's quicktime on the pc that will not support aic, and it wasn't until last august or so that the pc version of qt would support prores... apple proprietary stuff again.

pretty sure it's a Mac Pro, dude. i'm also pretty sure it isn't a Dell, but then again, i don't know, i guess i am going to reference a whole bunch of silicon valley nonsense to get some imaginary upper hand in an online debate.

i would continue further with all of this, but i do recall saying i was "done" with your jaded standpoint -- you're not going to stop taking chops at Apple no matter the argument put up against you. i know i haven't been cutting down PCs other than making my remark about XP (which i still stand to believe).

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