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ilcounican
11th of March 2005 (Fri), 13:39
I have never been much of a wedding photographer. ("I hate weddings" has been my credo since witnessing one.) In September 2003, forewent a celebrity wedding, though I was pretty close to agreeing to do it. About a week later, a friend whose daughter did some promo modeling for me approached me about doing her wedding (not her daughter's!)... THE VERY NEXT DAY.

Besides not doing weddings, I also don't do last minute assignments. This was two strikes against her. In the end, I submitted and said I would help out. I figured I could keep their options at a minimum and shoot the wedding as a Sweet 15/16. I charged $600 and said I would need a 1/4 deposit the day of the wedding. They did manage to get a relative to put up $150 for me to start processing their images. I stupidly gave these "friends" a photo CD, proofs book and other "goodies" while they waited for their package to be completed by the lab.

In the last year and a half, communications with them has been "we still want the package, we'll have a payment for you next week." To this day, I haven't seen any more money, their phone has been disconnected, and I learned from a friend of the young model that the family has moved from the house they had when I shot the wedding for them. Recently, I humbly went to the lab to collect what I could of the package that had been sitting there for over a year. All I could get were the 11x14 and 8x10's. The lab still can't find the 5x7's and 4x6's. I feel bad because I really wanted to build a relationship with the lab. There goes THAT.

Fortunately, my company has made vast strides in terms of deposits and collecting on balances due BEFORE submitted orders to labs and turning products around for clients. I wanted to share partly as a warning to others starting out, but also as a way to find out from others who have no doubt been doing this far longer than I have... Is this something I should pursue? Should I continue to seek payment from these clients, or would I spend more money tracking them down than it's worth? Any insight/comments would be appreciated.

TSEE
11th of March 2005 (Fri), 16:23
Thanks for the warning.
When I wrote up my business plan (which I have yet to put into effect/start my business) I even made a point to write down a contract and in the contract the money gotta be paid prior to the wedding so I don't get ripped off.
Thanks for reassuring me this is a good approach.
I dunno if that would do you much good trying to track them down seeing you'd loose money doing it and that's no garantee (sp?) that you'd find them. Did they sign a contract or anything?

ilcounican
11th of March 2005 (Fri), 23:34
Because I agreed to do it last minute (they approached me Friday afternoon for a Saturday morning wedding), we didn't get a chance to work out a contract. I do use contracts, complete with regulations on how and when payments must be made, but not for that assignment. I hardly make a big deal of it anymore, but sometimes I wonder how I let myself get caught in that trap after all the cautions I've thrown to others about it. LOLz. Live and learn, eh?

TSEE
14th of March 2005 (Mon), 12:21
Live and learn, eh?

Sounds like it. Sorry dude! :(

cmM
14th of March 2005 (Mon), 12:27
Which is precisely why contracts rule!

Monito
16th of March 2005 (Wed), 04:58
People who don't make adequate plans for weddings in advance (don't know if there were extenuating circumstances) generally don't make adequate plans to pay.

llaamaboy
20th of March 2006 (Mon), 20:56
Everyone is right ...
This is an event that is more important before the event than after.

Contract with all $$ up front or no show.
We have a non refundable deposit to hold the date. The thinking being that we may pass a few other opertunities only to have a cancelation.

rlhphotos
20th of March 2006 (Mon), 21:40
Wow before they get anything I require full payment..15% deposit to book me, and the other 85% due the morning of the wedding. All the proofs are online and all of the prints are then paid for before I actually print them, saving me money, and headaches.

mjordan
20th of March 2006 (Mon), 23:03
Thurman, 20-20 hindsight is always crystal clear and advice given after the fact will be more accurate. :D

Chaulk it up to experience. If they ever do contact you, you can pursue it then... if you still have the images. You are not the first and you won't be the last to have this happen. Even the seasoned pros will go against their own policy from time to time and get caught. It's not limited to wedding photography or to photography at all. Some people have good intentions and then life gets in the way. A few really are out to get what they can for nothing... but luckily it really is just a few. But life gets in the way of best intentions all the time.

Mike

BLINN
21st of March 2006 (Tue), 09:05
WOW thruman you blew it. With any product that is ever sold, you have to pay for it before you take it home. You never mentioned how many prints were ordered from the lab. I know that my whole print package isn't all that expensive. I charge for my processing time. 70+ hours on a typical wedding. I don't give out PROOFS. I give them the final print in 4x6 and 8X12 prints as well a high res CD. Not in it to soak them dry.(just kidding, not my full time job)

TSEE, it is not all that bad. If you have a contract you are, for the most part in the clear. You will learn quickly if your contract is written right. There are people out there who want and will try to get everything for nothing. I also all ways throw in a special something for all my wedding client. a $100.00 DVD Show. It is a 15-20 min slide show of there wedding set to the music from there wedding. If you follow one of two rules for wedding photography payment you should be OK. 1) 1/3 the price to book, 1/3 a week or so before the event, and 1/3 at time of pick up. OR; 2) 1/2 to book, and the rest the day of the wedding. This is what I do, that way I get paid in full before the PP starts. If they are unsatisfied with the images then I will refund their money. However I have never had an unhappy Bride or mother of the bride. (mom is the one you have to please) Hope this helps.

PIXI_666
21st of March 2006 (Tue), 09:14
I make sure now i have my agreement SIGNED before anything! Because this was short notice wedding VERY SHORT NOTICE WEDDING!!!!!!!! I guess some things are to be said that they were just human errors!

I make sure no money is handed around the day of the wedding, B&G are always too flustered to worry about money! 1/2 - when they have their meeting with me and BOOK their date, if no money the date isn't booked and then they run into "What if someone else gets that date?"

1/2 - 2 weeks prior to wedding, in my agreement it says that i am not held responsible for any damage to any photo's, but a full refund is given back if anything does happen to the memory card's or camera etc. loss, stolen for example. (If i cant produce ANY photos then ful refund is in place this NEVER will happen because i am backed up!)

These are lessons to be learnt...and i hope you can learn by them ilcounican, if we didnt make mistakes we wouldnt be human :) but a word of warning is always a good thing for people to look at! And this states very good points in the business :)

Del