Candid street photography... why? [Archive] - Canon Digital Photography Forums

slitherjef

24th of December 2008 (Wed), 22:57

I got to thinking today and one of the things I thought about was why people do candid street photography. Im not bringing this up to argue, I am just curious why candid street photography, to me at least it seems to be voyeuristic, I mean, many of you "shoot from the hip" as not to be seen, which I can understand if you are trying to not be noticed as some people don't like having cameras jammed in their faces. Then on the flip coin, if people don't know a camera is being pointed at them, they will be in a more natural state.

So, Im just curious, if you are one of those who take candid street photos, why do you do it? Whats the purpose? And one last question, hows about your best shot?

DanteCaspian

24th of December 2008 (Wed), 23:10

For me it is about capturing the beauty, sometimes the grittiness of people in there natural element. When people know there is a camera pointed at them, often, everything changes, they cloak the real part of their face and natural poise.

john-in-japan

25th of December 2008 (Thu), 00:07

I only do it occasionally and spontaneously, never intentionally. I think it captures the human condition uniquely at a natural moment in time and can emit emotions far deeper than those in posed photos or when subject is aware of being observed. It has a 'real' feeling to it when the image conveys unrestrained emotion, be it joy or sadness. I have missed many due to not having a camera. Now, I try to have my camera ready and with me as much as is practical to catch these magical moments of humanity. I don't look for them. They kind of look for you if you know what I mean. Example - I saw a man on the train a few weeks ago. Sat across from him. He had two roses in a plastic wrap and had lipstick smeared on his face, sleeping with a smile on his face. I mentally framed that shot three or four times. No camera with me. Maybe next time?
Cheers,
John

sjones

25th of December 2008 (Thu), 01:01

There is something voyeuristic and perhaps inherently rude about street photography, but I certainly enjoy looking at the works of great street photographers, so I was inspired to approach it myself. I am introverted, and as I only shoot looking through the viewfinder (simply because I like the process, not because it's some sort of rule), it can be very inhibiting.

Sometimes it is just a matter of including human interest in a shot. When I first started, it was pretty much practice just to gain the muster to point a camera at someone. However, more and more, I want other factors involved in the overall composition---shapes, shadows, movement, placement, a story; that is, simply shooting people walking my way has its limitations, although I'll still do it once in awhile.

I do have my own set of self-imposed restrictions that have increased over time. No one sleeping, no one destitute, mostly no elderly (with some reserved exceptions), no children for the most part, and no one in an ignominious situation (like someone who has just tripped or has their mouth stuffed with food). If someone sees me, and displays the slightest hint of discomfort, not only do I refrain from the shot, but I put the camera down so that they can see I got the message. That said, these are my personnel rules, and I would not impose them on anyone else, particularly since I have seen some wonderful photos involving all of the conditions above.

As to why I want to do this type of photography, which is a fair question, it is sort of like having to answer why I like a certain color more than others, just because. During the past two years, I have caught at least two guys pointing their cameras my way (street shots are popular here in Tokyo), and I had no qualms whatsoever, so as far as the Golden Rule is concerned, I can rest easy.

LWK

27th of December 2008 (Sat), 23:28

RandyMN

27th of December 2008 (Sat), 23:31

Street photography is not always about shooting without your subject knowing...

Some of the best shots involve participation and getting close without using the telephoto lens.

sjones

27th of December 2008 (Sat), 23:55

Street photography is somewhat open to interpretation as to what is the right or wrong way to go about it, and with that, I would also add that it doesn't even need to involve humans.

BottomBracket

28th of December 2008 (Sun), 20:44

Street photography is my genre of choice. Why do I do it? Good question, as I do not have a clear cut answer myself. Perhaps to capture snippets of an evolving city, to have an archive of images of how things used to be? Maybe.

All I know is that I love doing it, as well as viewing street photographs made by others.

Shellback

28th of December 2008 (Sun), 22:17

I'm a people person, I love not only observing people but also interacting with them.

Most of the people I photograph candidly are doing something that has caught my eye. The way they are sitting or standing, the way they are communicating with someone else, an expression on a face, etc.

For me I think it comes down to just that, I like people and the things they do.

cdifoto

28th of December 2008 (Sun), 22:23

I rarely ever do it but when I do, it's to kill time and/or test a lens. I don't have any philosophical approach or purpose.

infam0ussteven

28th of December 2008 (Sun), 23:32

I usually only do it out of random.. Rarely do I ever take only candid shots.

ParkerDeen

30th of December 2008 (Tue), 23:49

the only time i've done what i'd consider street photography was 3 years ago in new orleans. mostly pics of street musicians and one really interesting shot of a man being arrested. i love the textures, the emotions, the moment-in-life aspect. but i did feel awkward not knowing for sure how people would feel and it's not something i was completely comfortable doing, though i love the images. i wonder about usage- would such images be considered "editorial" and not need model releases? or maybe i don't understand how editorial images work?
parker

Skunkshocker

2nd of January 2009 (Fri), 03:48

When I see people doing something like walking against the wind or a holding hands walking in the park. I think it would make for a great photo, although I restrain myself out of respect for their privacy.

DanteCaspian

2nd of January 2009 (Fri), 10:03

superstes

3rd of January 2009 (Sat), 09:24

I like taking candids of people who know I'm there but are too caught up in their moment to care, like market traders, street performers, that sort of thing.

I normally get their attention, smile and point at my camera indicating that I will be taking shots, never had a knock-back yet.

Steve

airfrogusmc

3rd of January 2009 (Sat), 15:22

Candid street photography... why?

Why not?

superstes

3rd of January 2009 (Sat), 17:58

So, Im just curious, if you are one of those who take candid street photos, why do you do it? Whats the purpose? And one last question, hows about your best shot?

I have some shots here if you want to take a look

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=623752

Steve

1downfall

5th of January 2009 (Mon), 11:56

That is where you use a telephoto:D
I am learning this as we speak! I walked downtown Norfolk last week and there many shots I wanted to take.....but the 24 or 24-105 just put me a bit close. The 70-200 is working thus far. I'll post some later when I get home!

1downfall

5th of January 2009 (Mon), 19:25

Here is one I shot while sitting in my truck waiting for another subcontractor to show up.....I thought it was humorous given that no one is really looking at the instructor barking out orders. These, if they make, will be in the Norfolk sheriff's Office somewhere....
1.
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s174/1downfall/DPP_1183.jpg

This second one...I thought I heard the instructor yell out..."ok peoples....hands on your head...NOW".....only 1 or 2 got it right......;)
2.
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s174/1downfall/DPP_1182.jpg

1downfall

5th of January 2009 (Mon), 19:58

ok..last one for today
From the other day....I watched this guy for what seemed like 3-5 minutes. He could not figure out if his money was going in or not. It would go in, he would hit it, and then look closely at it as though it fell out...I started laughing as I took this shot.

1.
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s174/1downfall/DPP_1153.jpg

airfrogusmc

6th of January 2009 (Tue), 13:10

Shooting on the streets is finding the decisive moment, organizing chaos and using the entire frame. And everything has to come together light, motion, subject, color and depth.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/airfrogusmc/Road/IMG_0705.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/airfrogusmc/Road/IMG_0015.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/airfrogusmc/Road/IMG_0936.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/airfrogusmc/Road/IMG_0754.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/airfrogusmc/Road/IMG_0900.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/airfrogusmc/Road/IMG_0792.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/airfrogusmc/Road/IMG_5629.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/airfrogusmc/Road/KeyWestphotoboy06.jpg

1downfall

6th of January 2009 (Tue), 17:34

ROFL!!!:lol::lol: Now that is a funny series of pics Air.....lol...what was the event?

airfrogusmc

6th of January 2009 (Tue), 18:18

A little crazy-ness from Key West during Fantasy Fest.

Bodegaeli

7th of January 2009 (Wed), 09:43

I've enjoyed watching people and the things they do my whole life. I just started photography about 5 years ago and have been doing Candids right from the first. I especially like shots that are emotive...showing emotion that elicits feelings in the viewer.

bsaber

8th of January 2009 (Thu), 01:45

I agree with most of what has been said here already.

Here's one of mine from my recent trip to HK:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3128/3159326894_097d106fcd.jpg

Normally I wouldn't take a shot like this but something compelled me to take the shot. Turned out to be one of my favorites from the trip.

-g-

11th of January 2009 (Sun), 11:12

I shoot street as well. I like capturing everyday life and fleeting moments of interaction with the environment.

Sometimes I shoot from the hip, sometimes through the viewfinder. Some subjects know I'm taking their shot, some are candids. I usually am shooting at less than 35mm so people usually know I'm there (if they're paying attention).

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3197/2681139614_23a790ff77_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3285/2783607374_968da143d7_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3105/2793528494_66a0d14efc_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3024/2829880057_41a4910152_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3225/2649935276_69301aa915_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3119/3164884360_b4f94a5d55_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3186/2793530562_5667366dd1_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3145/3009492968_822eab0882_o.jpg

1downfall

11th of January 2009 (Sun), 12:09

man those are fantastic GEN!! I wish i could see action like that here!

slitherjef

12th of January 2009 (Mon), 00:27

No, I did not forget about this thread :)
Some of the photos posted are really nice, captures emotion and so on. The Fisherman series was a real nice one and shows real contrast against the person sitting in the cart with sign that reads "Rent me" and I can understand why that was shot as well. Monochrome seems to work real well for many of these images.

Right now I must say the thought has crossed my mind to give things a try, or at least let people get in front of my lens while I am shooting photos, something I normaly don't do. I have thought about just walking around in a simi busy area where I feel safe with my gear hanging over my shoulder and wire up the remote switch and a wideangle and see what I can do. Having people in your image even if they are not the only subject may add context to the scene and add more dynamics. I am starting to see why this is being done.

But my biggest problem is, some one just sees me as shooting as a pervert or something and take what I am doing out of context. But maybe if I include people in a bigger picture, instead of aiming at the person, in front of a car, I can include a huge area so It don't look as if I single them out.

Okay, I think I am rambling now, but keep up the posting :)

-g-

12th of January 2009 (Mon), 00:49

In order to start feeling comfortable you have to condition yourself. Use your 24mm and keep your subject on the side so it looks like you're shooting something else.

Here's a couple of examples:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3274/2793530436_9059bc76ee_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3076/2792677009_d405c48e43_o.jpg

Obvioulsy both these subjects saw me. One of them actually came up and spoke with me. Gladly, it wasn't the angry dude. :-)

You might feel less of a pervert and more comfortable shooting men.

-g-

12th of January 2009 (Mon), 00:51

man those are fantastic GEN!! I wish i could see action like that here!

Virgina Beach? Don't you have a Boardwalk there? Man, you have opportunities galore!

1downfall

12th of January 2009 (Mon), 06:04

Virgina Beach? Don't you have a Boardwalk there? Man, you have opportunities galore!
yes we have a boardwalk.....not much other than 20+mph winds and sand in your face right now. I have to wait until Spring to start seeing enough life to shoot. If it's summer...lol. wife thinks i am just shootin bikinis.....:rolleyes:

rejs7

17th of January 2009 (Sat), 10:32

I love street photography, especially when I am using the 70-200. There is something so visceral about being able to capture the essence of a person, and it is probably my favourite form at the moment.

The Moose

24th of January 2009 (Sat), 07:18

I haven't tried it yet but I'm supposed to be going into the city with one or two mates because one just got his 400D and I just got my 70-200mm not long ago. By the sounds of it they're not planning on taking photos of people but I think I might do it just because :D

Synenergy52

27th of January 2009 (Tue), 09:45

I really like your shots!!! The one with the guy and the tall hair are awesome. Do you take these in color then just discard in PP? or take in bw?

There is something voyeuristic and perhaps inherently rude about street photography, but I certainly enjoy looking at the works of great street photographers, so I was inspired to approach it myself. I am introverted, and as I only shoot looking through the viewfinder (simply because I like the process, not because it's some sort of rule), it can be very inhibiting.

Sometimes it is just a matter of including human interest in a shot. When I first started, it was pretty much practice just to gain the muster to point a camera at someone. However, more and more, I want other factors involved in the overall composition---shapes, shadows, movement, placement, a story; that is, simply shooting people walking my way has its limitations, although I'll still do it once in awhile.

I do have my own set of self-imposed restrictions that have increased over time. No one sleeping, no one destitute, mostly no elderly (with some reserved exceptions), no children for the most part, and no one in an ignominious situation (like someone who has just tripped or has their mouth stuffed with food). If someone sees me, and displays the slightest hint of discomfort, not only do I refrain from the shot, but I put the camera down so that they can see I got the message. That said, these are my personnel rules, and I would not impose them on anyone else, particularly since I have seen some wonderful photos involving all of the conditions above.

As to why I want to do this type of photography, which is a fair question, it is sort of like having to answer why I like a certain color more than others, just because. During the past two years, I have caught at least two guys pointing their cameras my way (street shots are popular here in Tokyo), and I had no qualms whatsoever, so as far as the Golden Rule is concerned, I can rest easy.

sjones

27th of January 2009 (Tue), 21:12

I really like your shots!!! The one with the guy and the tall hair are awesome. Do you take these in color then just discard in PP? or take in bw?

Thanks!

All taken with black & white film; although some folks have used color film and then used Photoshop for conversion, taking advantage of the filters. However, I like the extended latitude and grain of black & white, although one day, I might experiment with some color film-to-monochrome conversions.

spelunker

15th of February 2009 (Sun), 05:56

Genodm, your pictures are impressive. The first shot is stellar.

That said, while I really do love good street photography as such, I feel less than okay actually doing it.

-g-

15th of February 2009 (Sun), 07:38

Genodm, your pictures are impressive. The first shot is stellar.

That said, while I really do love good street photography as such, I feel less than okay actually doing it.

Thanks for the compliment. My wife feels the same way as you do. She likes the photos but questions my taking them.....

1downfall

14th of March 2009 (Sat), 16:42

well,
I still cannot get the nerve to directly aim my lens at the subject I do not know and focus properly. IO consistently get a weird feeling like....what is that guy doing or what is he taking pictures of...ohhh well. I shot a few as I trekked the board walk the other day....I missed a few focus'. No borders/no special treatment.........just load and post.

1.http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s174/1downfall/_MG_3265.jpg

2.http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s174/1downfall/_MG_3270.jpg

3.http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s174/1downfall/_MG_3281.jpg

4.http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s174/1downfall/_MG_3290.jpg

5.http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s174/1downfall/_MG_3295.jpg

-g-

14th of March 2009 (Sat), 17:09

well,
I still cannot get the nerve to directly aim my lens at the subject I do not know and focus properly. IO consistently get a weird feeling like....what is that guy doing or what is he taking pictures of...ohhh well. I shot a few as I trekked the board walk the other day....I missed a few focus'. No borders/no special treatment.........just load and post.

They're good! Maybe post bigger shots next time though, those are pretty small.

Try to use a shorter focal length and close down the lens to around f/8.0. Wait for them to get closer to you.

I like the last three the best.

The more you do it, the more comfortable you'll become.

Here's a couple I shot today. 5D with 85mm so it'd be about 50mm with your 50D. Normally, I'd be around 18 - 35 mm with my 40D.

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff44/genodm/Photowalks/IMG_0164.jpg

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff44/genodm/Photowalks/IMG_0176.jpg

1downfall

16th of March 2009 (Mon), 18:47

Thanks for the boost...I actually like the 4th as well...it has 5 different modes of transportation in one shot...
Here are a few more from a Norfolk shoot I did......I think 8 is still the limit....

1.
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s174/1downfall/DPP_1298-1.jpg

2.Missed focus...again:o
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s174/1downfall/DPP_1308-1.jpg

3.
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s174/1downfall/DPP_1297-1.jpg

4.
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s174/1downfall/DPP_1296-1.jpg

5.
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s174/1downfall/DPP_1295-1.jpg

6.Focused the crane hook instead of the signal man:mad:
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s174/1downfall/DPP_1294-1.jpg

1downfall

16th of March 2009 (Mon), 18:48

One more...
1.Wall of Caution
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s174/1downfall/DPP_1293-1.jpg

-g-

16th of March 2009 (Mon), 19:15

Nice! I like the guy with the handtruck best. The crane guy's cool 'cuz he's doing something. Like the bench one as well.

I notice you've got one in there at 75mm. Cut it down to 50mm next time you're out and either get in closer or wait for them to come to you!

You'll eventually get the hang of it.

1downfall

27th of March 2009 (Fri), 22:11

well....I had some time so I went down to the beach on an ugly day today....Foggy and a bit breezy....but here are 3....more tomorrow

1.
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s174/1downfall/DPP_1319.jpg
2.
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s174/1downfall/DPP_1320.jpg
3.
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s174/1downfall/DPP_1325.jpg

-g-

28th of March 2009 (Sat), 00:08

Funny, I was thinking about you tonight and wondered if you'd gotten braver! :-) Keep trying to get closer.

1downfall

28th of March 2009 (Sat), 07:27

lol...i feel like i am getting a bit braver......but not closer! I still shoot with my 70-200......:oops:

-g-

28th of March 2009 (Sat), 07:44

lol...i feel like i am getting a bit braver......but not closer! I still shoot with my 70-200......:oops:

Time to dust off the 24L! Just use one of your outside focus points and make like you're shooting something else.

1downfall

28th of March 2009 (Sat), 07:47

Time to dust off the 24L! Just use one of your outside focus points and make like you're shooting something else.
lol.....that is exactly what I did on my 70-200 when the 2 ladies were walking up! :lol:

1downfall

28th of March 2009 (Sat), 13:41

Here a couple from a walk through in Portsmouth a few weeks back...nope, not closer yet!

1. Man, I know I can drive this thing........
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s174/1downfall/DPP_1413.jpg

2.Cleaning up the deck
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s174/1downfall/DPP_1403.jpg

3.Getting ready to board the boat...
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s174/1downfall/DPP_1411.jpg

1downfall

28th of March 2009 (Sat), 21:26

ok...maybe some influence this evening...but last ones posted for today....promise.,....

1.
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s174/1downfall/DPP_1338.jpg
2.Crap...this guy is taking my picture...she saw me...smiled and looked down
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s174/1downfall/DPP_1340.jpg
3.
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s174/1downfall/DPP_1346.jpg
4.
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s174/1downfall/DPP_1347.jpg
5.
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s174/1downfall/DPP_1342.jpg

Fuma

11th of April 2009 (Sat), 01:38

What are the rules for candid street photography if there's any?

iammbox

13th of April 2009 (Mon), 01:41

here is one i got in a bus. was really difficult cause it was crowded and there was a schizophreniac right next to me yelling and i didnt want to use flash cause of low light in the bus. i guess using flash is a no no cause it blows your cover?
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3580/3428464680_7f17f6718b.jpg?v=0

1downfall

19th of May 2009 (Tue), 19:57

here is a small bump to get some "life" back into it....Taken from my series of Norfolk Wine Festival:
1.
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s174/1downfall/DPP_1889.jpg

2.
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s174/1downfall/DPP_1898.jpg

3.
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s174/1downfall/DPP_1930.jpg

TomMessenger:Photo

21st of May 2009 (Thu), 02:57

1downfall

21st of May 2009 (Thu), 06:06

So what do you "do" with these photos? Personal use?

I've got a load of candids I have taken but don't know what, if anything, to do with them. I don't have any releases so I can't really do much.

Tom
For now, I keep them. Use them as practice. These wine festival shots are put on a dvd and given to the owners I shot them for. Eventually, I most likely will delete them.:rolleyes:

hks3sgte

21st of May 2009 (Thu), 16:48

I think you won't be as "scared" to get closer if you got rid of that huge, white lens. Personally, I like shots at 50mm or wider. It allows to viewers to actually feel involved in the photograph.

1downfall

29th of July 2009 (Wed), 19:33

I think you won't be as "scared" to get closer if you got rid of that huge, white lens. Personally, I like shots at 50mm or wider. It allows to viewers to actually feel involved in the photograph.
this will come...in time....

Here are a few more I shot recently....was really bored and headed to the boardwalk....no pun intended....

1.
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s174/1downfall/DPP_2616.jpg
2.
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s174/1downfall/DPP_2622.jpg
3.
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s174/1downfall/DPP_2626.jpg
4.
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s174/1downfall/DPP_2627.jpg

focus.pocus

29th of July 2009 (Wed), 20:31

I post all my pics on myspace for my friends back homme to see and it gives you a counter so you can see how many times a pic has been viewed and my candid street shots get the most views... I am not sure exactly why either.

[Hyuni]

30th of July 2009 (Thu), 12:27

Sometimes, you are just in the right spot, in the right time, with the right idea that you just HAVE to take the photo.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2671/3772780966_48784c5ded_o.jpg
This is when I went to the Ravinia to listen to Lang Lang and the Chicago Symphony Orchestra perform. I thought it was just so adorable how the guy used her to rest and she was supporting him. You don't see a girl do that every day!

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2590/3771973951_00468c1485_o.jpg
This one was in Central Park when I went to sightsee and visit a friend in NY.
I was intrigued by how comfortable he looked, taking a nap on a large (and obviously hard) boulder.

Up until now, when I take candids of random people, I've been sneaky about it because I don't want them to think I'm doing anything bad, but I think going forward, I'll take people suggestions from this thread and get their permission to take the photos and maybe even get their emails so I can send them the photos.

Samina

30th of July 2009 (Thu), 12:41

Candid photography really appeals to me... its just that i get nervous when i take my camera out cos people look at you and notice when its pointed towards them...

mxracer535

30th of July 2009 (Thu), 16:00

Im a big fan of candid street photography. I just think that its truly the only way to capture people in their natural state...as soon as someone knows there is a camera pointed at them, they tense up and act differently. Here are some of my favorites that i took

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3349/3576945936_d0f7ff99d4.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3558/3576945852_557ab12d80.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3553/3576145657_e5d2814528.jpg

1downfall

30th of July 2009 (Thu), 20:24

airfrogusmc

30th of July 2009 (Thu), 20:35

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/airfrogusmc/IMG_9892.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/airfrogusmc/IMG_6249.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/airfrogusmc/IMG_9294.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/airfrogusmc/IMG_9893.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/airfrogusmc/IMG_9952.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/airfrogusmc/IMG_70501.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/airfrogusmc/IMG_7100.jpg

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Picture North Carolina

31st of July 2009 (Fri), 05:56

I love the woman's head on the train, but I also like the generational gap closing between the biker and the old man on the bench. Good work.

airfrogusmc

31st of July 2009 (Fri), 06:20

I love the woman's head on the train, but I also like the generational gap closing between the biker and the old man on the bench. Good work.

Thanks CannedHeat. The "go humans go" shot is one of my favs and its a bus. The writing was part of an ad on the side of the bus and I thought the words worked with the image.

nightcat

31st of July 2009 (Fri), 06:59

DAUMO

3rd of August 2009 (Mon), 20:24

where are the photos?

Picture North Carolina

3rd of August 2009 (Mon), 22:36

where are the photos?

Must be a problem on your end. I just scrolled up and the images area all displaying just fine.

1downfall

4th of August 2009 (Tue), 06:12

I enjoy looking at street photography as it can be very interesting, but some of the street ph. that I see is just plain boring. When someone shoots a handful of people walking by, and no one is particularly in focus, and there's absolutely nothing going on, I don't understand the point of those shots. But these's a lot of street photography (some on this thread) that DOES capture an interesting expression, a fleeting interesting moment, and those shots I really appreciate.
agreed. Sometimes it is difficult to see someone else's perspective....that is what makes us all unique. I know I have shot my share of boring shots. And it's hard if you don't capture the shot/mood just right or you end up with the same ol same ol....

BlueTsunami

11th of August 2009 (Tue), 14:03

Most street photography is pretty uninteresting. It seems people think that a random snapshot of someone walking down the street is compelling. With that said, some of the better street photography is up there as my favorites. Like everything else, the better photographs showcase good natural lighting and an interesting subject.

gregpphoto

17th of August 2009 (Mon), 11:59

Truly "candid" street images capture something unique and inherently interesting about the subject - quite the opposite (for me) of staged/posed shots, which are more a reflection of the photographer...

Thanks for finally explaining why I can't stand shooting candids! Although I feel that a posed shot reflects both the subject and the photographer, whereas candid is strictly subject-oriented.

sjones

17th of August 2009 (Mon), 16:38

...Although I feel that a posed shot reflects both the subject and the photographer, whereas candid is strictly subject-oriented.

How do you figure?

dgoakill

17th of August 2009 (Mon), 16:57

Thanks for finally explaining why I can't stand shooting candids! Although I feel that a posed shot reflects both the subject and the photographer, whereas candid is strictly subject-oriented.

not really.

it's not just about the subject, it about the connections the photographer makes between the subject and the surroundings and thus reveals something about him/herself. Finding order in chaos through observation and anticipation. It's about pre-focusing and fast shutters. It's about allowing the camera to capture a moment, in most cases, unrepeatable.

the problem with street photography is that a lot of it is bad in terms of the essence of shooting street. zoom lenses and hip shots are actually frowned upon by a lot of well know street shooters. It's not to say you have to look through the viewfinder every time, in fact real street cameras are rangefinder cameras and have no ttl view finder. the viewer clips in on top in the hot shoe and is more of a guide.

the other problem is that good street shots often break the rules of conventional photography. There is a composiion to street, it's just different than most are taught. there needs to be a balance between form and content. the content being the subject and the form it's relation to what ever is captured inside the borders of the image. this is why famous street shooters like Garry Winogrand don't crop their images.

IMO it's really one of the hardest genres of photography to do and do well. Mainly because you really only have one chance at a shot. other genres like landscapes, still lifes, studio shots, you can re shoot until you get it right.

check out http://www.in-public.com/ ton of info on street and some great work by street photographers.

gregpphoto

17th of August 2009 (Mon), 17:20

not really.

it's not just about the subject, it about the connections the photographer makes between the subject and the surroundings and thus reveals something about him/herself. Finding order in chaos through observation and anticipation. It's about pre-focusing and fast shutters. It's about allowing the camera to capture a moment, in most cases, unrepeatable.

the problem with street photography is that a lot of it is bad in terms of the essence of shooting street. zoom lenses and hip shots are actually frowned upon by a lot of well know street shooters. It's not to say you have to look through the viewfinder every time, in fact real street cameras are rangefinder cameras and have no ttl view finder. the viewer clips in on top in the hot shoe and is more of a guide.

the other problem is that good street shots often break the rules of conventional photography. There is a composiion to street, it's just different than most are taught. there needs to be a balance between form and content. the content being the subject and the form it's relation to what ever is captured inside the borders of the image. this is why famous street shooters like Garry Winogrand don't crop their images.

IMO it's really one of the hardest genres of photography to do and do well. Mainly because you really only have one chance at a shot. other genres like landscapes, still lifes, studio shots, you can re shoot until you get it right.

check out http://www.in-public.com/ ton of info on street and some great work by street photographers.

Thats a great point. I'll spend hours, and sometimes even come back to a spot to get the landscape just so. But imo, all that time invested shows, and also imo, street and candid photos often look "bad" to me. This is mostly due to the nature of the beast (you said it best, you only get that one shot), but to me, thats just not acceptable. Its gotta be the way I see it mentally or not at all. I need to be able to spend the time I do. So I guess thats another reason why I dont mingle in street/candids.

The moment is unrepeatable (although that could be argued with landscape to a lesser degree as well), but is the moment itself worthy of capture? I love Bressons ideas about photography, his quotes heavily inspire me, but his photos don't so much (come to think of it that's awfully strange and all too common for me!). Why? Honestly, they just look like something I would have shot and then deleted. Granted, there are those images that are just perfect, and no, I could not shoot them, but imo they are far and few between.

Everything you said about composition, about a connection between subject and background, I can't agree more, but I also think that applies equally to each and every style of photography. Your composition is nearly everything (lighting and composition is all you need, everything else will fall into place), so while it may show more in street photos (geometric forms probably do require stronger comps), it's just as valid with any other form. And backgrounds too need to be fitting to the subject.

As for breaking and bending the rules of convention, that may be the one thing I could agree with you 1000% on. :D

sjones

17th of August 2009 (Mon), 17:51

Thats a great point. I'll spend hours, and sometimes even come back to a spot to get the landscape just so. But imo, all that time invested shows, and also imo, street and candid photos often look "bad" to me. This is mostly due to the nature of the beast (you said it best, you only get that one shot), but to me, thats just not acceptable. Its gotta be the way I see it mentally or not at all. I need to be able to spend the time I do. So I guess thats another reason why I dont mingle in street/candids.

The moment is unrepeatable (although that could be argued with landscape to a lesser degree as well), but is the moment itself worthy of capture? I love Bressons ideas about photography, his quotes heavily inspire me, but his photos don't so much (come to think of it that's awfully strange and all too common for me!). Why? Honestly, they just look like something I would have shot and then deleted. Granted, there are those images that are just perfect, and no, I could not shoot them, but imo they are far and few between.

Everything you said about composition, about a connection between subject and background, I can't agree more, but I also think that applies equally to each and every style of photography. Your composition is nearly everything (lighting and composition is all you need, everything else will fall into place), so while it may show more in street photos (geometric forms probably do require stronger comps), it's just as valid with any other form. And backgrounds too need to be fitting to the subject.

As for breaking and bending the rules of convention, that may be the one thing I could agree with you 1000% on. :D

Frankly, in terms of timing, lighting, composition, and interesting subject matter, I can't count the number of incredible photos that Cartier-Bresson produced, certainly as many, if not more, than any other photographer with whom I am familiar, so the "far and few between" comment will just have to lie in the realm of subjectivity.

Moreover, I don't think there is a direct correlation between solidifying or representing one's vision with time consumed; Ansel Adam's "Moonrise, Hernandez" photo (which I love, other folks, not so much) was, in a procedural sense, a relatively quick take. Then there are the numerous incredible photos, artistically speaking, taken by photojournalists, limited often, like street photographers, by that "one chance only" reality.

Once again, it all becomes subjective if one likes the style or not, but it hardly means that one style reflects upon the photographer more than the other, or that one style involves more thought or aesthetic sensibility than the other. The mere act of choosing a subject matter and framing it is a reflection of the photographer irrespective of the style.

Personally, I'm not too concerned how my photographs reflect on me, since I place greater focus on enjoyment and the hopes of creating a photo that I like.

gregpphoto

17th of August 2009 (Mon), 18:01

Frankly, in terms of timing, lighting, composition, and interesting subject matter, I can't count the number of incredible photos that Cartier-Bresson produced, certainly as many, if not more, than any other photographer with whom I am familiar, so the "far and few between" comment will just have to lie in the realm of subjectivity.

Moreover, I don't think there is a direct correlation between solidifying or representing one's vision with time consumed; Ansel Adam's "Moonrise, Hernandez" photo (which I love, other folks, not so much) was, in a procedural sense, a relatively quick take. Then there are the numerous incredible photos, artistically speaking, taken by photojournalists, limited often, like street photographers, by that "one chance only" reality.

Once again, it all becomes subjective if one likes the style or not, but it hardly means that one style reflects upon the photographer more than the other, or that one style involves more thought or aesthetic sensibility than the other. The mere act of choosing a subject matter and framing it is a reflection of the photographer irrespective of the style.

Personally, I'm not too concerned how my photographs reflect on me, since I place greater focus on enjoyment and the hopes of creating a photo that I like.

Almost everything I said was meant subjectively, because really, nothing is concrete in art. But again, imo, the more time you spend on something, the better it will usually be. Not always, but usually.

That last line of yours could be placed on my tombstone and I'd be mighty happy lol.

sjones

17th of August 2009 (Mon), 18:25

...But again, imo, the more time you spend on something, the better it will usually be. Not always, but usually...

In photography, I must fundamentally disagree, because so often, the beauty of photography, by its very nature, is capturing a specific moment that is often fleeting, if not due to anything more than the changing shape and position of a cloud. Shooting static subjects, thus allowing for more time and preparation, does not guarantee higher quality in the majority of cases, simply because reasonable comparisons begin to collapse. Someone taking a photo of Jackie Robinson sliding into home or a still life of a Kleenex box.

Just to stress, I'm speaking in general terms; and I fully recognize that as for what works for the individual photographer, it is just that, it's what works for him or her, so it's not my intent to dispute one's individual approach.

And certainly, in a broader sense, the more time someone spends developing their photographic skills, sense of timing, and their "eye," the higher the quality, usually. So yes, the greater effort put into street photography, landscapes, portraits, wild life, and so on will typically lead to improvement.

gregpphoto

17th of August 2009 (Mon), 18:45

In photography, I must fundamentally disagree, because so often, the beauty of photography, by its very nature, is capturing a specific moment that is often fleeting, if not due to anything more than the changing shape and position of a cloud. Shooting static subjects, thus allowing for more time and preparation, does not guarantee higher quality in the majority of cases, simply because reasonable comparisons begin to collapse. Someone taking a photo of Jackie Robinson sliding into home or a still life of a Kleenex box.

Just to stress, I'm speaking in general terms; and I fully recognize that as for what works for the individual photographer, it is just that, it's what works for him or her, so it's not my intent to dispute one's individual approach.

And certainly, in a broader sense, the more time someone spends developing their photographic skills, sense of timing, and their "eye," the higher the quality, usually. So yes, the greater effort put into street photography, landscapes, portraits, wild life, and so on will typically lead to improvement.

The moment may last for 1/60th second, but the preparation can be extremely time consuming.

sjones

17th of August 2009 (Mon), 19:32

The moment may last for 1/60th second, but the preparation can be extremely time consuming.
Exactly, and someone involved in street photography, sports, wildlife, photojournalism, or any other field involved in taking 'elusive subjects' can spend hours preparing for the shot. Simply hanging out at a street corner for two hours to get one decent candid is such an example. Having the right tools and the positioning of oneself are forms of preparation. This discussion originally centered on posed and candid photos, and yet, even with a posed shot, there is that split second expression, momentary lighting, and perhaps other fleeting factors that are just as limiting as any candid shot irrespective of the amount of time spent preparing beforehand.

Yes, a landscape photographer can gather information and charts on the weather, the sun's position, the tide, and such. And so the well-prepared photographer goes out and gets the shot. Yet, here's the thing with photography. Some schmuck with a camera happens to be walking by, notices the nice view, points the camera, and actually, because of slight adjustment in composition, takes a better picture than the fastidious landscape photographer.

This is why I cited the Adam's photograph. His appreciation for exactitude and preparation is unmatched, yet arguably, and in terms of sales, his most famous photograph happened to be one that he took largely by chance. He's driving with some friends and family, sees the scene unfold, slams on the brakes, hauls out the large format, uses his knowledge of the moon's exposure since he doesn't have his meter, and has only one chance to make the exposure, since the lighting drastically changes seconds later.

Obviously, without a doubt, preparation leads to greater consistency, but as noted above, preparation manifest in various ways. Already knowing the exposure of the moon is a form of preparation; one that only takes a fraction of a second to perform, since it's already engrained through experience.

gregpphoto

17th of August 2009 (Mon), 20:53

Yes, a landscape photographer can gather information and charts on the weather, the sun's position, the tide, and such. And so the well-prepared photographer goes out and gets the shot. Yet, here's the thing with photography. Some schmuck with a camera happens to be walking by, notices the nice view, points the camera, and actually, because of slight adjustment in composition, takes a better picture than the fastidious landscape photographer.

Not true, not in the majority of the cases, whatsoever. You don't just notice a view and snap a photo, not one that is better than the one that was planned and thought out, simply for the fact that you will not have the composition that the fastidious photographer has.

sjones

17th of August 2009 (Mon), 21:23

Not true, not in the majority of the cases, whatsoever. You don't just notice a view and snap a photo, not one that is better than the one that was planned and thought out, simply for the fact that you will not have the composition that the fastidious photographer has.

I realize this, and that is why I expressly noted later on: "Obviously, without a doubt, preparation leads to greater consistency…" But photography is such that one can, in fact, just notice a scene out of the blue and take a great photograph. Spontaneity is hardly the bane of good photography, and I wasn't saying that the "schmuck" simply took a "snap" anymore than Adams did when he quickly photographed "Moonrise, Hernandez."

If the photographer is already blessed with a keen sense of composition, then they really don't need to mull over it all the time. That's exactly the genius of Cartier-Bresson, is that his notion of the 'decisive moment' did not simply refer to catching a moment of action, like when the ball hits a baseball bat, but of all the elements involved in a photograph, the lighting, the subject matter, the lines, the angles, the composition; when it all comes together aesthetically. And in this case, he excelled, numerous times I might add.

Once again, preparation does not simply involve the hours spent for each photo, but for the experienced gained, so that the photographer is prepared to react quickly and instinctively.

carlomontoya

4th of September 2009 (Fri), 20:42

Q: Why do you do it?

A: I do it because just like weddings and events, the streets provide opportunities to shoot the different genres of photography - architectural, people (candid or otherwise), animals, plants, cityscapes, abstracts, even macro (when I attach my +10 close-up filter), etc, except for aerial, underwater, micro (unless I have Canon's 5x magnification lens).

Q: What's the purpose?

A: To document street life as it is. While I enjoy taking non-candid portraits, it's not real enough for me. When people pose for the camera, they show "who they want to be" rather than "who they really are." This is the reason that I'm more satisfied shooting dogs and cats because they have no pretentions.

Q: How about your best shot?

I'm not sure what you mean but there is none for me. I don't like the idea of 'best shots' or joining and winning photo contests because they might make me think that I'm already good enough. A bloated ego is something I want avoid as I strive to become a better photographer.