the word ' suck's '

[marie]

wonder is anyone else not mad about the word 'suck's' being used casually in situations where someone or something is disliked

when sucks is said about something it can sound 'odd' if someone is not familiar with the expression
(but getting there )http://www.photography-on-the.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif


meaning, in a situation which does not relate to 'sucking'
as most know it, like in in a baby sucking a breast/bottle/ or sucking a lollipop...


wonder how did the word become used as a substitute for 'I hate that'
or 'I don't like that' or 'it's just horrible' or 'it's grotesque'
or plain old 'not nice'


when we say someone 'sucks up' to someone it's slightly different ?
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just wondering
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[neil_r]

Guilty :oops:


I dont want to offend you Marie, that really blows :D :D

N
xxx

[marie]

Guilty http://www.photography-on-the.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_redface.gifops:


I dont want to offend you Marie, that really blows http://www.photography-on-the.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.photography-on-the.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif

N
xxx


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are you asking (or telling http://www.photography-on-the.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif ) it
( like it is) ?

I tried to stay civil with my query Neil
you were one step ahead
now we both will be bbbannnnedhttp://www.photography-on-the.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_cry.gif

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[belmondo]

now we both will be bbbannnnedhttp://www.photography-on-the.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_cry.gif

Wow. That would really suck.

[Lissa]

:lol::lol::lol:

[PacAce]

Guilty :oops:


I dont want to offend you Marie, that really blows :D :D

N
xxx
Is that like in "blowing out the candle"? :confused: :confused:
:mrgreen: :lol: :mrgreen:

[PhotosGuy]

"now we both will be bbbannnned"
I dont want to offend you Marie, that really blows It blows big time! ROTFL!

[stoneylonesome]

This is enough to make you go "bonkers" can I say bonkers? :lol: :lol: Well I'm bloody confused now, can I say bloody? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Course I guess the word suck taint to bad if used like "Suckin' diesel" I'd be gobsmacked if anyone was upset with the use of it, Guess I'd better Hump off before I offend some one. :rolleyes: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

[cactusclay]

It could have go started like this: A South Dakota farmer was talking to a Nebraska farmer and the Nebraska farmer says to the South Dakota farmer, "Man the wind sure does blow a lot up there" and the slightly annoyed South Dakota farmers says, "It's not that the wind blow up here, it's just that Nebraska sucks.

[Citizensmith]

It could have go started like this: A South Dakota farmer was talking to a Nebraska farmer and the Nebraska farmer says to the South Dakota farmer, "Man the wind sure does blow a lot up there" and the slightly annoyed South Dakota farmers says, "It's not that the wind blow up here, it's just that Nebraska sucks.

:)

[timmyquest]

http://www.pusboil.com/sck2blw.wav

[marie]

thanks all


I guess I just don't like the word
and it shows so much in places where it means nothing
it's just as easy to use the correct words ?

it's especially harsh (on the senses, depending on our senses I suppose) :lol:
when someone says 'IT SUCKS ' in massive letters

I'm not referring to slang words or words used to emphasize something in a sentence like ' it's bloody awful' (bloody is an adjective here)
we don't say 'it bloodys' when something is horrible
we use the words differently

the word sucks seems to be used a lot when something is not so good or nice.
and I just wondered how it came about.

nothing wrong in that ? wondering I mean
if so, it sucks:lol:

it can go (the expression) just the same way as it came
if we all just have a few (deeper) thoughts on the word ...
sucks
does it mean anything when said about something?
it just seems to hit the senses. that's all
nothing else

the word suck is ' to draw liquid into the mouth by using the lip muscles
to draw liquid from a thing
to squeeze using the tongue
to use a sucking action or make a sucking sound

to draw in . to obtain

suck in or up .... to absorb
suck dry ...to exhaust the contents of by sucking
the sponge sucked up water'

:confused:
I think I just found a clue to the answer

'to draw in air instead of water as a defective pump does'

perhaps it came from what happens when we see something we don't particulary like
the sucking of air
:confused:

we could say (about something we are not mad about)
it's ugly
it's not nice
it's grotesque .
don't like it
hate it
whatever

sucks really sucks used in certain ways
just a short cut word which means nothing
depending on what we are using it for
and can sound ugly as an expression
no one should take what I am saying as a personal insult
(for any reason:confused: )

maybe it's the way it's said
but as I never heard it said
only saw it written here
it hits a cord every time

not a nerve
just a chord

and I lose track of what it was used for
just that the word sticks somewhere in my throat
when it is said in relation to some things

thinking not as a purist
just see no reason why 'IT SUCKS' is said , instead of 'Gosh, I hate that'

whatever

[PhotosGuy]

Marie, Marie, you have far too much time on your hands! :D:D
During an election year, Ross Perot said, more or less that, "That giant sucking sound you hear is your jobs going below the border". "Gosh, I hate that" just wouldn't have had the same impact, would it? ;) (Gore might have said that, & look where he is. Not that Perot did any better, but at least he put on a good show. (Now it seems that I have far too much time on my hands!):o

[marie]

Marie, Marie, you have far too much time on your hands! :D:D
During an election year, Ross Perot said, more or less that, "That giant sucking sound you hear is your jobs going below the border". "Gosh, I hate that" just wouldn't have had the same impact, would it? ;) (Gore might have said that, & look where he is. Not that Perot did any better, but at least he put on a good show. (Now it seems that I have far too much time on my hands!):o

'Marie, Marie, you have far too much [/CODE] time on your hands!' :D



far from it Frank
I have far less time on my hands then anyone knows
I make good use of what I have got ;)

regards what you say
I can hear the jobs being sucked from under them right now
:(

and this is 'chat', I never usually partake in (as I don't have the time)
I'm usually taking photographs in as much spare time as I do have

Frank Frank
this question or thoughts about it has nothing to do with time

by the way, would you say
Pekka Pekka/Tom Tom (I hear the drums) Andy Andy
if you disagree with them Frank ?

just a spare thought


never mind


chat over

photography rules
:D

[belmondo]

Marie:
It all has to do with economy of language.

In the time you can say, "Gosh, I really hate that," I can say, "That sucks," two and a half times.

It's not my favorite term either, but when in Rome.......

[PhotosGuy]

by the way would you say
Pekka Pekka/Tom Tom (I hear the drums) Andy Andy
if you disagree with them Frank ? Sure! Equal opportunity chiding. ;) And I ment it in a semi-humorous way, so 2 smilies attached.:D

[marie]

Marie:
It all has to do with economy of language.

In the time you can say, "Gosh, I really hate that," I can say, "That sucks," two and a half times.

It's not my favorite term either, but when in Rome.......


we're not in Rome (:) I know what you mean)
thanks Tom


just asked a question
it seems to hit the wrong chords

[marie]

Sure! Equal opportunity chiding. ;) And I ment it in a semi-humorous way, so 2 smilies attached.:D


so the smilies would have made the difference there ?


let's bring on the smilies



:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

:evil:

[PhotosGuy]

just asked a question
it seems to hit the wrong cords Not my intent! Do you get "60 Minutes" there? I thought it had an Andy Rooney flavor - interesting thoughts with an underlying humor. It's always nice to hear from you, Marie. Sorry to have given you the wrong impression.

[cmM]

Well Marie, I think it is just one of the many distorted phrases in american slang.

Why or how it came about? Who knows...

[pierrot]

to suck
O.E. sucan, from PIE root *sug-/*suk- of imitative origin (cf. O.S., O.H.G. sugan, O.N. suga, M.Du. sughen, Du. zuigen, Ger. saugen "to suck;" L. sugere "to suck," succus "juice, sap;" O.Ir. sugim, Welsh sugno "to suck"). Meaning "do fellatio" is first recorded 1928. Slang sense of "be contemptible" first attested 1971 (the underlying notion is of fellatio). Suck eggs is from 1906. Suck hind tit "be inferior" is Amer.Eng. slang first recorded 1940.
v. intr.
Vulgar Slang. To be disgustingly disagreeable or offensive.

Now this doesn't tell us in which context it was first used (in the meaning we use here) as american slang in 1940.

[marie]

Not my intent! Do you get "60 Minutes" there? I thought it had an Andy Rooney flavor - interesting thoughts with an underlying humor. It's always nice to hear from you, Marie. Sorry to have given you the wrong impression.


I meant all over not just you Frank
(about the word anyway):)

didn't mean anyone to feel it was attacking their way of life personally


we have things over here (more so) which we say and do
they would not be usual
(the norm. seen by someone from another country)

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about the programme you mention

we used to have '60 minutes' on our tv station (from the U.S) until a few years ago
I loved it
if it is the same one we are talking about

http://www.photography-on-the.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_confused.gif but I don't think so

this was a news programme
for some reason it has not been on for years.
after the news (CBS) late at night the announcer says something about the '60 minutes' programme coming up next
but it is not shown on our station anymore
I always found it so interesting

and I was sad to see Dan Rather (? not sure of the spelling) retire.
loved his voice
he will be missed.
don't think I know the programme you are talking about

thanks Frank


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[marie]

Well Marie, I think it is just one of the many distorted phrases in american slang.

Why or how it came about? Who knows...



thanks very much Chris

[marie]

to suck
O.E. sucan, from PIE root *sug-/*suk- of imitative origin (cf. O.S., O.H.G. sugan, O.N. suga, M.Du. sughen, Du. zuigen, Ger. saugen "to suck;" L. sugere "to suck," succus "juice, sap;" O.Ir. sugim, Welsh sugno "to suck"). Meaning "do fellatio" is first recorded 1928. Slang sense of "be contemptible" first attested 1971 (the underlying notion is of fellatio). Suck eggs is from 1906. Suck hind tit "be inferior" is Amer.Eng. slang first recorded 1940.
v. intr.
Vulgar Slang. To be disgustingly disagreeable or offensive.

Now this doesn't tell us in which context it was first used (in the meaning we use here) as american slang in 1940.


thank you Pierrot

never saw that full explanation before

perhaps the slang (' it sucks' ) started in 1940 because of something to do with the war
a lot of things changed then


thanks

[marie]

Wow. That would really suck.

thanks Tom

and all
:)

[stoneylonesome]

Over here I really think the term "that sucks" was started by the teenage crowd just being well teenagers, there little bit of rebellion. Always trying to come up with there own terms. Like "that's real bad" and it actually means GOOD :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[marie]

Over here I really think the term "that sucks" was started by the teenage crowd just being well teenagers, there little bit of rebellion. Always trying to come up with there own terms. Like "that's real bad" and it actually means GOOD http://www.photography-on-the.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif http://www.photography-on-the.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif http://www.photography-on-the.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif




hard to keep up with everything.
and that's only us Sandyhttp://www.photography-on-the.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif http://www.photography-on-the.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif

must be even worse for the teenagers.
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[MazerRakhm]

My old chemistry teacher once said “Nothing ‘sucks’, things just go from a high pressure area to a low pressure area, so technically speaking: Nothing sucks, but everything blows!”

[Citizensmith]

Over here I really think the term "that sucks" was started by the teenage crowd just being well teenagers, there little bit of rebellion.

Yeah, just teenagers in 1928 apparently. Its often entertaining how long some of these phrases have been around.

[roanjohn]

Yeah.......this is definitely teenage talk...........I use it a lot when I don't like something. I guess in America, saying that something "sucks" is about as normal as saying that something is "not good". It just emphasizes the fact that its SOOO bad, it'll suck the life out of you when you use it!!!

:-)

Ro1

[marie]

thanks MazerRakhm, Citizensmith and Roanjohn

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not sure what to sayhttp://www.photography-on-the.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_confused.gif

except....
we have come to no real conclusionhttp://www.photography-on-the.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_surprised.gif

and it sucks
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[Sketcher]

The "1940's" explanation struck a cord in my memory.

It seemed odd to me when my grandfather would describe something in a negative way by saying "sucks hind tit". I asked him about that saying one day and he said "Jeffrey, you remember that runt [pup] that you took home and bottle fed because he was getting the last tit if he got anything at all? Well, that runt was getting the short end of the stick, left out in the cold, a raw deal in life because the hind tits on a nursing animal produce the least amount of milk. If you're left with the "hind tit" in life, your outlook ain't too good.

Now, at dinner that night my Grandpa was late to the table and most of the food had already been dished (he was pretty late). I thought I'd try out my newfound vocabulary. "Grandpa, looks like you're suckin' hind tit there". Thankfully, my family is good natured folk. Laughter was shared around the table but I am certain that my Mom was mortified.

[marie]

that's a lovely story Jeff

I can imagine what it was like, dead silence ...and then laughter


your grandpa would have been surprised and delighted to hear you quote him


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[PhotosGuy]

The dedication page of Peter Davld's "New Generation - Stone & Anvil" book is,
"To the brave crew & passengers of the Kobayashi Maru... sucks to be you." ;-)

[marie]

The dedication page of Peter Davld's "New Generation - Stone & David" book is,
To the brave crew & passengers of the Kobayashi Maru... sucks to be you." ;)


sorry for asking again and 'looking' dumb (:lol::eek: )
but what does it really mean there ?
even as slang ?


few minutes later
edit

:confused: thinking a little

'I'd (I@d) hate to be you' ?

[belmondo]

Marie:
We just don't read enough, I guess.

The Kobayashi Maru is described here: http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?KobayashiMaru

[marie]

Marie:
We just don't read enough, I guess.

The Kobayashi Maru is described here: http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?KobayashiMaru

I had added a piece on the last one before you replied

I read ok.. a lot
but not that


thanks Tom

[Jemmind]

sorry for asking again and 'looking' dumb (:lol::eek: )
but what does it really mean there ?
even as slang ?

looked it up for you Marie:
http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?KobayashiMaru
Kobayashi Maru
An example of solving a problem by changing the conditions surrounding the problem:

One of the StarTrek movies mentions the KobayashiMaru, a training scenario for hopeful captains. There's no way to succeed; no matter what you do, you're destined to lose. Starfleet used it as a test of character, to see how people handle no-win situations. Cadet James T. Kirk (later known as CaptainHornDog) created a successful solution by modifying the simulation.

"You cheated!"

"I changed the conditions of the test. Got a commendation for original thinking."
So; as it applies to The dedication page of Peter Davld's "New Generation - Stone & Anvil" book is,
"To the brave crew & passengers of the Kobayashi Maru... sucks to be you."
then the crew of that are in a no-win situation, and the author doesn't envy their position.
Maybe?
Julie

[Jemmind]

oh i see ya'll beat me to the punch white I was busy quoting:)
Julie

[marie]

looked it up for you Marie:

So; as it applies to
then the crew of that are in a no-win situation, and the author doesn't envy their position.
Maybe?
Julie

thanks a lot Julie

I guessed that
but it's not really relevant to what the question is about, that sucks is a not proper word to use in certain situations.

it's not a no win situation
I don't think so

it's a case of taking what we want from the word
and just having to accept that , unless everyone stops using it
but they have to want to
and if they don't
thats ok . it's the language...or the lingo as we say

no harm done asking the question

(just some thoughts)