5D2 owners - what do you use to edit movies?

[Canonised]

I just gotten the new camera and it seems that Canon has left out any software for editing the movie files. I am new to movie editing so I would be most grateful if anyone here can advise what they would recommend using (preferably freebie software just in case I do not wish to take up this side of photography seriously).

Thanks!

[timnosenzo]

For the one movie I did any editing to, I used iMovie (Mac).

[Super-Nicko]

Heya... i confronted this problem myself - have a look at my input if you like here
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=622119

for free? not so sure - let us know are you PC or MAC...

if you look around im sure you can find demo and trial software to test your methods and trial your output files before copping a fee...

keep us posted on what path you take...

[Tony-S]

Final Cut Express for me.

[beepclick]

I tried Sony VEgas Studio free trial. VEry easy for video beginner, but sometimes would hang/reboot system. Otherwise, I liked it a lot. Think the Platinum, or Pro, version is under $100.
Downloeaded Corel's video program, haven't tried it yet.

[Canonised]

Heya... i confronted this problem myself - have a look at my input if you like here
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=622119

for free? not so sure - let us know are you PC or MAC...

if you look around im sure you can find demo and trial software to test your methods and trial your output files before copping a fee...

keep us posted on what path you take...

Hi SuperNicko
Unfortunately - I am a PC user. :-(
Been wanting to go Mac for years but never got round to it. Hoping to see if there are any PC solution for this. Otherwise, it looks like I might use this as a reason to go Mac.

Isn't it curious that Canon packages DPP and Zoombrowser etc. for still photography but did not throw in a entry level video editor. So much more to learn!

Thanks for the links and input!

Cheers

[Super-Nicko]

i know canonised...i had a scour of the discs myself...

i too am a PC user and a much too recent upgrader to quite a substantial machine... its fine editing the vids it just doesnt play a live feed while editing (its choppy)

im using adobe premiere pro cs3 and its really good - i learnt it with my dv vid usage - im not fancy but can use it to cut and fade and bring in titles etc... its a little more effort than just open and drop but the results are nice and the encoding part of it is really customisable to your output.

I do think that canon included only a view method as i think any of the more basic editors choke on this footage... plus no doubt they would have been worried about the minimum specification computer to run it at an acceptable level - this sort of stuff scares people off - whereas this way we jump in and then suss it all out once we have forked out!

[Canonised]

I just discovered that there is a Windows Movie Maker in my PC. Never used it before and hope its painless to use. If anyone has pointers on this software, I would be most grateful. Esp. to a page on the net for how to use the thing!

Cheers

[Leonard Wong]

Unfortunately, Windows XP's Movie Maker doesn't support AVCHD.

Windows Vista's Movie Maker or Movie Maker HD can support AVCHD. Vista Movie Maker only comes with Home Premium or Vista Ultimate. I'm not sure if you'll need to install CCCP for AVCHD support. Worst case scenario, you can just transcode the files into a supported format. I believe that the only output supported by Movie Maker is WMV and AVI.

[Canonised]

Unfortunately, Windows XP's Movie Maker doesn't support AVCHD.

Windows Vista's Movie Maker or Movie Maker HD can support AVCHD. Vista Movie Maker only comes with Home Premium or Vista Ultimate. I'm not sure if you'll need to install CCCP for AVCHD support. Worst case scenario, you can just transcode the files into a supported format. I believe that the only output supported by Movie Maker is WMV and AVI.

Darn... clearly I am out of my depth here. Thanks Leonard. Looks like I need to go buy dedicated software. Probably Adobe Premiere... :-(

Cheers

[Paul J McCain]

Well it's not free but I use Adobe Premiere. It is very good software, just as you'd expect from Adobe.

[Tony-S]

Unfortunately, Windows XP's Movie Maker doesn't support AVCHD.

I'm not sure I follow. The 5Dii videos are in a Quicktime MOV container with h.264 video. Isn't AVCHD a different container ("Audio/Video Codec for High Def")?

[Super-Nicko]

i couldnt get windows movie maker to see the 5d2 files when i started tinkering...

(on vista 64 ultimate edition)

[osv]

I'm not sure I follow. The 5Dii videos are in a Quicktime MOV container with h.264 video. Isn't AVCHD a different container ("Audio/Video Codec for High Def")?

yes, and since both avchd and canon video are based on h.264, neither will probably work with windows movie maker(??)... but download some of the raw canon video files and give it a shot... whoops, i guess that nicko tried it already.

you can google up free editing software for the pc, there is some stuff out there, don't know if it supports h.264 from the canon:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=free+movie+editing+software&aq=0&oq=free+movie+editi

[Leonard Wong]

i couldnt get windows movie maker to see the 5d2 files when i started tinkering...

(on vista 64 ultimate edition)

Hmm.. I don't have a 5D MkII, but is there a way that you could get me a 20MB RAW and/or MOV file from the camera? I'll see if I can figure out a way to get it to work in Vista Ultimate Movie Maker.

PM me.

[harrysimpson]

So the manual says you can Cut the movies in ZoomBrowser but when I try to load a MOV movie, ZoomBrowser says it cannot cut the movie.....what's this all about....Windows Movie Maker works great but I really need a way to cut one movie into many trimmed segments then piece back together with transitions etc......

[Canonised]

After trolling through Google and various sites, I came up with this page - http://www.erightsoft.net/SUPER.html#Dnload
The free video converter converts the MOV files into various formats. I shot a 8 second HD file that came up to 40MB into WMV which is only 2.8mb now which is useable for blogs and online sharing. Will try it with the MS Movie Maker to see if I can use it to embed a copyright watermark.

Hope this helps others who are 5D2 Video newbies!

Cheers

[Mark II]

So ... just to confirm...

Adobe Elements Premiere 7 is a good editing program for the Canon EOS 5D Mark II ???
I just bought the Mark II and was wondering the same thing.

[bluemotion]

final cut pro..!

[Mark II]

final cut pro..!

Understood. Final cut pro for Apple users.

What about us low class Vista/XP users who are new to the video editing world?

[Technophile]

ive been wondering what to use for editing myself, since i just got my 5d2. I have Vista64 Ultimate. i have premier elements which is a few years old now, and i never really liked it much.

but ill play around and see what i get with windows movie maker, and maybe premier elements.

[wesjr]

I've only done two videos and I also used iMovie 2009. It's fairly straight forward. If I find myself doing more, I'll move up to Final Cut Express..
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St. Augustine Beach, FL

[bluemotion]

if i had windows.. i'd do adobe premiere... it's basically the same as final cut.. i've used both.. and adobe premiere is also a very powerful program capable of everything final cut does..

[Canonised]

Here is my first attempt using SUPER and uploading it to YouTube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djpDw7OZpTk

Unfortunately the resolution is rather poor when the converted file is about 8mbs this is reduced further. But you get the idea. It works.


Sorry - here is a second effort which appears to be slightly better in quality althought the format seem to have changed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6a1qLilGQk

Taken with the 100 f2.8 macro - with built in mic for sound (a lot of ambient noise).

[kevindar]

I have used powerdvd director, reasonably good convertor.

[charl1e]

I use Sony Vegas Platinum 8.. it's done a good job so far. I need to test it with some longer clips and render to HD though.

[kevindar]

never mind. wrong post

[evsmotors]

I use Final Cut Express and it doesn't export the 5DMKII files correctly, they all get squished! Anyone know the fix for this? I think iMovie works better with the 5DMKII than Final Cut Express.

[Tony-S]

Final Cut Express works fine for me.

[evsmotors]

Final Cut Express works fine for me.

Tony,

Can you tell me exactly the settings you use to export the 5DMKII mov files?

Thanks,

Ted

[Tony-S]

After you get your video how you want it in the Time Line, choose Sequence > Render All > Both. After the video is rendered, you should be able to export it as a Quicktime movie. I seem to recall that you want to avoid exporting with Quicktime Component because it recompresses the video, which will compromise its quality.

[evsmotors]

After you get your video how you want it in the Time Line, choose Sequence > Render All > Both. After the video is rendered, you should be able to export it as a Quicktime movie. I seem to recall that you want to avoid exporting with Quicktime Component because it recompresses the video, which will compromise its quality.

Yes I think you are right about it recompressing the video, I think it also squishes the video. The only option I have to export is Quick Time Movie, Quick Time Conversion or Live Type. Which one would I choose??

Thanks

[Tom Reichner]

I just gotten the new camera and it seems that Canon has left out any software for editing the movie files.

To me, it's unbelievable that Canon would not have included software for this along with the camera body. What are they thinking?

[Tony-S]

The only option I have to export is Quick Time Movie, Quick Time Conversion or Live Type. Which one would I choose??s

You have to render first, then export as a Quick Time Movie.

[bswallace1000]

you can get a 30 day trial version of Adobe Premiere Pro. It is the full version with access to every feature for 30 days. If you like it after 30 days then buy it, if not then try something else. Also, Premiere Pro is for Mac or PC and I have it on both. The only thing I dont like about it is you cant work on the same project on a Mac and a PC without having to browse and locate all the video clips every time you switch from Mac to PC.

But if you are having a hard time with windows movie maker then you will have a harder time with Premiere Pro.

[bswallace1000]

To me, it's unbelievable that Canon would not have included software for this along with the camera body. What are they thinking?

I have never gotten video editing software with any camera.

[evsmotors]

You have to render first, then export as a Quick Time Movie.

Ok I'll try that, I thought I did and it came out as a 640x480 movie format.

[Tony-S]

That's how I do it and it exports as 1920x1080 at 30 fps.

[osv]

I have never gotten video editing software with any camera.

most consumer camcorders give you editing software.

if canon is going to advertise the video capabilities of this camera, perhaps they should consider including some software as well.

[bswallace1000]

most consumer camcorders give you editing software.

if canon is going to advertise the video capabilities of this camera, perhaps they should consider including some software as well.

I must have really bad luck then, I have purchased 3 camcorders and a p&s with video but none of them had any editing software.

[osv]

prosumer camcorders or consumer camcorders? a p&s still camera is not a camcorder.

you could make the argument that a mk5d isn't a consumer camcorder either, tho, so maybe it shouldn't have any editing software with it.

the fact that it's mac-oriented, because it records in the mov format, would make an addition of editing software pretty much impossible(?) anyway.

[bswallace1000]

prosumer camcorders or consumer camcorders? a p&s still camera is not a camcorder.

you could make the argument that a mk5d isn't a consumer camcorder either, tho, so maybe it shouldn't have any editing software with it.

the fact that it's mac-oriented, because it records in the mov format, would make an addition of editing software pretty much impossible(?) anyway.

Both. This point is arguable as well, but Mac is now the standard for design work so it makes sense that Canon would use mov. That would also explain why they didn’t include software since all macs come with imovie for basic video editing.
On a different note I wish in the future there would be a "standard" file type that could be used by Mac or PC software.

[osv]

the standard file type used to be the avi container.

i only know of two video cameras that record in a .mov container, and if it was universally accepted as a standard, canon would be using it on their consumer camcorders as well.

i heard that apple finally fixed the quicktime gamma shift issues(??), so maybe it will take off at some point.

[LM64]

I use Pinnacle Studio 12 to capture, edit and burn videos from my standard camcorder.
Could someone explain how to convert or transfer the 5D HD videos to Pinnacle Studio? Thanks.

[Raginl3ull]

Adobe Premiere CS4

[capt3450]

Here's the link of how to convert the 5D video to Pinnacle Studio 12, it's kind of complicate but works for me.
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1032&message=30534667&q=pinnacle&qf=m
-capt3450

I use Pinnacle Studio 12 to capture, edit and burn videos from my standard camcorder.
Could someone explain how to convert or transfer the 5D HD videos to Pinnacle Studio? Thanks.

[LM64]

Thanks for sending the link, I will try this workflow.
I have two more questions:
-I have the Studio 12 basic version, is it OK for this workflow or the Ultimate version is necessary?
-someone mentioned the Cineform intermediate codec. Would this be an easier procedure?
Thanks again.



Here's the link of how to convert the 5D video to Pinnacle Studio 12, it's kind of complicate but works for me.
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1032&message=30534667&q=pinnacle&qf=m
-capt3450

[LM64]

I tried and it works,thanks.


Thanks for sending the link, I will try this workflow.
I have two more questions:
-I have the Studio 12 basic version, is it OK for this workflow or the Ultimate version is necessary?
-someone mentioned the Cineform intermediate codec. Would this be an easier procedure?
Thanks again.

[capt3450]

Glad it all worked out for you..waiting to see your PP video ;)
-capt3450

[canuck88]

I've used Vegas, Premiere, and Pinnacle Studio (which I really liked, so good choice); but more recently I bought a Mac and honestly I love iMovie. It is so easy and cuts down on the amount of time I spend working on the video (I used to spend days in Vegas). I created a 4 minute wedding video last night in about 2 hours.

[benesotor]

Just got Sony Vegas Pro 8, really is very good. Makes much more sense than Premiere or FCP in my opinion, and works in 32-bit ;)

[BlakeM]

I use Speed Edit by Newtek.

[cwr89]

I am currently in film school, and everything we do through class is pushed really heavily on the Mac side with Final Cut Pro. I however have always been a PC guy. For my personal stuff I use Premiere Pro CS4. Final Cut Pro and Premiere Pro are essentially the same program. Infact, I can load my saved project files from Final Cut into Premiere because they are so similar (and adobe is all about making their stuff compatible with everything). Don't know if it works the other way around.

There are a few things that I like about Premiere over Final Cut, I can dump footage and edit other clips at the same time as well as make direct linkage of footage from premiere to after effects. (so I cut a clip up in premiere and then link it to after effects for special effects and it auto changes in premiere without having to re-import it).

Also I saw somewhere on page 1 someone was talking about a PC chugging on video play back. This is quite normal, you have to render the video for smooth playback. this can be a daunting task for any system PC or Mac, it all depends on your processor. I recommend quad-core and up for any video processing. Dual-core is pushing it. its really about how much time you have to get it done.

if you have any specific questions about editing hit me up with a PM I'd be glad to help!

[perfarny]

Convert to 24p via Cineform Neoscene (aside from converting to 24p, Neoscene makes all clips play smooth as can be while editing).
Edit in Sony Vegas Movie Studio Platinum 9.
Render as 1080p to mp4.

[Leeuwarden]

I have a request to 5D mkII owners...
Could someone please send me a video file straight out of the camera? Doesn't matter what is on it as long as it is moving image. I suggest to send the file to me trough www.yousendit.com. It is possible there to send a max file of 100 mb for free. (or another way not known to me...)

I would like to try out working with a video file before buying a 5D mkII.

Thanks in advance!

Jan

jvdwal2000(at)gmail.com (replace the (at) with @)

[lomond]

I have a request to 5D mkII owners...
Could someone please send me a video file straight out of the camera? Doesn't matter what is on it as long as it is moving image. I suggest to send the file to me trough www.yousendit.com. It is possible there to send a max file of 100 mb for free. (or another way not known to me...)

I would like to try out working with a video file before buying a 5D mkII.

Thanks in advance!

Jan

jvdwal2000(at)gmail.com (replace the (at) with @)

Jan, I've included a link to two short video files, straight from the camera.
Nothing special, just short clips at full camera 1920x1080 resolution.
The first was shot with a 500 f4 plus 2x TC and is around 75mb.
The second was shot with a 500 f4 plus 1.4 TC and is around 63mb.

Have a play around with them.

http://www.mediafire.com/?zjyot1megkk
http://www.mediafire.com/?yjdmn1zdmmn

[Leeuwarden]

Thanks Cameron!

Looking at your clips I guess it won't be long before the 5DmkII arrives!

(just bought a 300 2.8 for my 1DmkIII, after seeing your clips I probably want a 500 too :-) )

Thanks again!

Jan

[C2S]

I use Pinnacle Studio 12 to capture, edit and burn videos from my standard camcorder.
Could someone explain how to convert or transfer the 5D HD videos to Pinnacle Studio? Thanks.

Doesn't Pinnacle Studio support native HDV and AVCHD editing from the version 11? At least that's what I've read (I don't own the software myself), so shouldn't one be able to open/import the 5D video clips just like that? I'm definitely not an expert on the subject, but I've understood that something that supports AVHCD, should support H264 as well.

Perhaps there's just something I'm missing.

[gooble]

Convert to 24p via Cineform Neoscene (aside from converting to 24p, Neoscene makes all clips play smooth as can be while editing).
Edit in Sony Vegas Movie Studio Platinum 9.
Render as 1080p to mp4.

I've noticed that many 5DII users recommend Neoscene, on the PC side anyway.

Right now I really have no way to do anything with my 5DII movies. They barely playback on my computer and I have no editing software. It also seems that even if I got something as good as Premiere Pro I would still have trouble editing and transcoding my movies.

What if any benefit would Neoscene be to me? Isn't it essentially a transcoder? So if I have clips that don't need editing can I transcode them to say a 720p clip and upload them to Vimeo?

What is your workflow with Neoscene when you need to edit? I've read about using Neoscene to convert the native 5DII movies to something else that will play back smoothly and then editing those proxy files. I'm not sure I quite understand this. Do you arrange the proxy files and edit them like you want with the ability to watch the final cut smoothly then render referencing the original files? If this is the case then are your proxy files disposable (assuming you would never edit again with them) as you still have the original mov files.

One last thing, I read on Cinema5D forums I think, that Neoscene would not convert 5DII movies to 24p. You've gotten it to work?

Thanks. Any help is appreciated.

[gooble]

For the video editing neophyte on the PC, what is the easiest and least expensive route to editing my 5D Mark II movies.

I'm not afraid to learn and get deep into the video editing process but I know very little and have no software and I can't do a darn thing with my movies. I've had my 5DII a week and already shot about 1.5 hours of my mother and aunt reminiscing about their childhood and growing up. Really great footage BTW, although the audio's gonna stink, and I want to edit it together well with transitions and some music, etc etc but I don't know where to begin.

I eventually, as money permits, would like to get an external audio recorder like the Zoom h4n and I know that adds another layer of complexity.

I just cannot see my self getting Premiere Pro or Final Cut Pro if I had a Mac right now. Eventually I think I would probably get to one or the other of those but right now it's just not gonna happen. So what am I left with? Is Vegas or Premiere Elements gonna cut it. I'm aware of Cineform Neoscene. Would combining that with Premiere Elements get me started?

Anyway any advice would be appreciated.

[Tony-S]

I just cannot see my self getting Premiere Pro or Final Cut Pro if I had a Mac right now. Eventually I think I would probably get to one or the other of those but right now it's just not gonna happen.

If you did have a Mac, would you consider Final Cut Express? I use it for my 5Dii video and it's a pretty nice package (although a bit of a learning curve). Plus, for $100 it's tough to beat.

[gooble]

If you did have a Mac, would you consider Final Cut Express? I use it for my 5Dii video and it's a pretty nice package (although a bit of a learning curve). Plus, for $100 it's tough to beat.

Don't know if I'd get a Mac unless it was a Macbook (not pro). How well can you edit movies on those?

Can you sync offboard audio and such in Final Cut Express?

[perfarny]

I've noticed that many 5DII users recommend Neoscene, on the PC side anyway.

Right now I really have no way to do anything with my 5DII movies. They barely playback on my computer and I have no editing software. It also seems that even if I got something as good as Premiere Pro I would still have trouble editing and transcoding my movies.

What if any benefit would Neoscene be to me? Isn't it essentially a transcoder? So if I have clips that don't need editing can I transcode them to say a 720p clip and upload them to Vimeo?

What is your workflow with Neoscene when you need to edit? I've read about using Neoscene to convert the native 5DII movies to something else that will play back smoothly and then editing those proxy files. I'm not sure I quite understand this. Do you arrange the proxy files and edit them like you want with the ability to watch the final cut smoothly then render referencing the original files? If this is the case then are your proxy files disposable (assuming you would never edit again with them) as you still have the original mov files.

One last thing, I read on Cinema5D forums I think, that Neoscene would not convert 5DII movies to 24p. You've gotten it to work?

Thanks. Any help is appreciated.

Hi, I'll do my best to explain...I am no video expert myself.

In essence, Neoscene makes your editing process much, much easier by allowing you to actually see the footage without all of the jerkiness that you experience with the native files.

My workflow:

Open Neoscene and point it to .mov files on CF card to convert those files to 24p
The above creates new .avi files that I store on my PC
Open Sony Vegas Movie Studio and use the .avi's created in step 1 as my source files to make my movie with.
Render the project as an .mp4 (read: create the final movie output file) with the correct parameters (resolution, frame rate).Now, if I have just a single clip and I just want to upload, I still do the above, mainly because the .avi that Neoscene creates is still huge (not sure about Vimeo's restrictions or if it'll actually accept them) and when I render in .mp4, file size is much more manageable and all of my movies are then small enough to upload to smugmug (my choice of online hoster).

Finally, I have had zero issues converting to 24p with Neoscene...it's advertised as a core benefit on their product page, too, so not sure where you heard it doesn't work...I think their higher end products (neo HD) may do a 'better' job for fast motion subjects (I guess that's where the issue is...again - I'm learning like you are) but I can't tell any issues with my files at this point.

Hope that helps,
Per

EDIT: cost of Neoscene: $99, cost of Sony Movie Studio: $99

[gooble]

Hi, I'll do my best to explain...I am no video expert myself.

In essence, Neoscene makes your editing process much, much easier by allowing you to actually see the footage without all of the jerkiness that you experience with the native files.

My workflow:

Open Neoscene and point it to .mov files on CF card to convert those files to 24p
The above creates new .avi files that I store on my PC
Open Sony Vegas Movie Studio and use the .avi's created in step 1 as my source files to make my movie with.
Render the project as an .mp4 (read: create the final movie output file) with the correct parameters (resolution, frame rate).Now, if I have just a single clip and I just want to upload, I still do the above, mainly because the .avi that Neoscene creates is still huge (not sure about Vimeo's restrictions or if it'll actually accept them) and when I render in .mp4, file size is much more manageable and all of my movies are then small enough to upload to smugmug (my choice of online hoster).

Finally, I have had zero issues converting to 24p with Neoscene...it's advertised as a core benefit on their product page, too, so not sure where you heard it doesn't work...I think their higher end products (neo HD) may do a 'better' job for fast motion subjects (I guess that's where the issue is...again - I'm learning like you are) but I can't tell any issues with my files at this point.

Hope that helps,
Per

EDIT: cost of Neoscene: $99, cost of Sony Movie Studio: $99

Hey, thanks for the help.

So if I understand you correctly you render you final output in Vegas using the clips you ran through Neoscene?

Are you familiar with the proxy method? As I understood it you take the file from Neoscene, run it through the editor with your edits and then before rendering you point the editor to the original mov files (in the case I read they had to have the exact same name and extension so I guess it'd have to be a mov file) then the movie is rendered from the full size original files not the ones run through Neoscene. It is complicated but maybe it gives a better output.

One more thing, can you sync external audio in Vegas to the onboard audio?

[perfarny]

Hey, thanks for the help.

So if I understand you correctly you render you final output in Vegas using the clips you ran through Neoscene?


Yes.


Are you familiar with the proxy method? As I understood it you take the file from Neoscene, run it through the editor with your edits and then before rendering you point the editor to the original mov files (in the case I read they had to have the exact same name and extension so I guess it'd have to be a mov file) then the movie is rendered from the full size original files not the ones run through Neoscene. It is complicated but maybe it gives a better output.


Not very familiar with it. From what I've heard there is little to no degredation with using the Neoscene files.


One more thing, can you sync external audio in Vegas to the onboard audio?

Not exactly sure what exactly you're asking, and I have the feeling I don't know the answer..sorry :(

[gooble]

Yes.



Not very familiar with it. From what I've heard there is little to no degredation with using the Neoscene files.



Not exactly sure what exactly you're asking, and I have the feeling I don't know the answer..sorry :(

Eventually, instead of recording audio solely with the 5D, I would like to record in conjuction with an external digital recorder like the Zoom h4n. Not only does it have superior audio, it has adjustable stereo mics and two xlr inputs. It also allows you to record audio without being tethered to the camera. But you have to sync it with the video so you need to use something like the slates they use in movie making before a scene to snap and make a spike in the audio then you somehow sync them up and mute the in-camera audio.

I just wondered if that could be done in Vegas.

[Mctrician]

With the final cut express are you keep it HD and can you record a time lapse? Right now I'm using iMovie and I can't do either. (I'm using iMovie 08)

Thanks

[sharrowm]

Hi, I'll do my best to explain...I am no video expert myself.

In essence, Neoscene makes your editing process much, much easier by allowing you to actually see the footage without all of the jerkiness that you experience with the native files.

My workflow:

Open Neoscene and point it to .mov files on CF card to convert those files to 24p
The above creates new .avi files that I store on my PC
Open Sony Vegas Movie Studio and use the .avi's created in step 1 as my source files to make my movie with.
Render the project as an .mp4 (read: create the final movie output file) with the correct parameters (resolution, frame rate).Now, if I have just a single clip and I just want to upload, I still do the above, mainly because the .avi that Neoscene creates is still huge (not sure about Vimeo's restrictions or if it'll actually accept them) and when I render in .mp4, file size is much more manageable and all of my movies are then small enough to upload to smugmug (my choice of online hoster).

Finally, I have had zero issues converting to 24p with Neoscene...it's advertised as a core benefit on their product page, too, so not sure where you heard it doesn't work...I think their higher end products (neo HD) may do a 'better' job for fast motion subjects (I guess that's where the issue is...again - I'm learning like you are) but I can't tell any issues with my files at this point.

Hope that helps,
Per

EDIT: cost of Neoscene: $99, cost of Sony Movie Studio: $99

I'm a newbie at this video stuff and recently purchased the latest version of Sony Vegas Movie Studio 9 (Platinum Pro). Vegas already allows you to render (or is it convert? Not sure about the proper terminology) 5dII files to AVI 24P. I've tried it and it seems to work fine. Is there something that neoscene does that Vegas does not?

[perfarny]

I'm a newbie at this video stuff and recently purchased the latest version of Sony Vegas Movie Studio 9 (Platinum Pro). Vegas already allows you to render (or is it convert? Not sure about the proper terminology) 5dII files to AVI 24P. I've tried it and it seems to work fine. Is there something that neoscene does that Vegas does not?

i don't think so. If one or the other does a better job or not of the conversion - - there an expert would need to chime in.

When you work with the files in Vegas - do they run smoothly or is the playback jerky? If it's smooth, and Vegas does a good job of outputting 24p from your source files, I don't think you have any need for Neoscene.

[sharrowm]

i don't think so. If one or the other does a better job or not of the conversion - - there an expert would need to chime in.

When you work with the files in Vegas - do they run smoothly or is the playback jerky? If it's smooth, and Vegas does a good job of outputting 24p from your source files, I don't think you have any need for Neoscene.

No, I wouldn't say they are smooth, but not bad. When working with the original MOV files straight off the camera in vegas before I convert (render?) them to 24P, there is no freezing, just a bit jittery. Once it's rendered though, it is nice and smooth. I really have know idea what I am doing and am just experimenting with different workflows. My goal is to be able to burn HD video from the 5dII onto standard DVD and play it back on my stand-alone DVD/bluray player hooked to my bigscreen. Once the files are rendered in Vegas I use Nero 9 to burn HD content onto standard DVD's and it seems to work. But for all I know Nero is downconverting the video to something less than HD. I do know that nero takes a 60gb file from vegas and somehow crams it onto a 4.6gb DVD. Nero claims it's HD, but it does make me wonder what I'm losing in the process.

[gooble]

I'm a newbie at this video stuff and recently purchased the latest version of Sony Vegas Movie Studio 9 (Platinum Pro). Vegas already allows you to render (or is it convert? Not sure about the proper terminology) 5dII files to AVI 24P. I've tried it and it seems to work fine. Is there something that neoscene does that Vegas does not?

I don't mean to say that you're not being honest but are you sure Sony Vegas Movie Studio 9 (Platinum Pro) is converting to 24p? As you say, you're a newbie. I am too for that matter when it comes to video but I've been reading about editing software and I hadn't run across the fact that Sony Vegas Movie Studio 9 (Platinum Pro) did 24p conversion.

Can anyone confirm or deny this? If Sony Vegas Movie Studio 9 (Platinum Pro) works as well as you say and does 24p conversion then I'll order it tomorrow.

[sharrowm]

I don't mean to say that you're not being honest but are you sure Sony Vegas Movie Studio 9 (Platinum Pro) is converting to 24p? As you say, you're a newbie. I am too for that matter when it comes to video but I've been reading about editing software and I hadn't run across the fact that Sony Vegas Movie Studio 9 (Platinum Pro) did 24p conversion.

Can anyone confirm or deny this? If Sony Vegas Movie Studio 9 (Platinum Pro) works as well as you say and does 24p conversion then I'll order it tomorrow.


I can assure you I am being honest, but that doesn’t mean I know what I’m talking about;). Here is the workflow I have been using successfully:


I put clips on the time line and edit as desired
I select the “Make Movie” button
I select “Save it to my hard drive (at this point a window opens that allows you to choose the file path, format and template among other things)
I select “Video for Windows” from the “format” dropdown list
I select “HD 1080-24p YUV” from the template dropdown list. Once selected the “description” box says: “Audio: 48,000 Hz, 16 Bit, Stereo, PCM Uncompressed.Video: 23.976 fps, 1920x1080, Progressive.Pixel Aspect Ratio: 1.000, using Sony YUV codec. OpenDML compatible” (I copied and pasted the description directly from the “description” box).
I select “next” and it starts to render
The files this creates are huge! A 1 minute clip is about 8gb. The largest clip I’ve done so far is about 15 minutes so I don’t know how it would handle longer clips. Also, I have no way of knowing if the output is actually 24p. Hopefully someone with more knowledge will add their .02.

BTW: You can download the full version of Sony Vegas and try it for free for 30 days. I would recommend this (if for no other reason) to make sure your system/video card is up to the task.

[gooble]

I can assure you I am being honest, but that doesn’t mean I know what I’m talking about;). Here is the workflow I have been using successfully:


I put clips on the time line and edit as desired
I select the “Make Movie” button
I select “Save it to my hard drive (at this point a window opens that allows you to choose the file path, format and template among other things)
I select “Video for Windows” from the “format” dropdown list
I select “HD 1080-24p YUV” from the template dropdown list. Once selected the “description” box says: “Audio: 48,000 Hz, 16 Bit, Stereo, PCM Uncompressed.Video: 23.976 fps, 1920x1080, Progressive.Pixel Aspect Ratio: 1.000, using Sony YUV codec. OpenDML compatible” (I copied and pasted the description directly from the “description” box).
I select “next” and it starts to render
The files this creates are huge! A 1 minute clip is about 8gb. The largest clip I’ve done so far is about 15 minutes so I don’t know how it would handle longer clips. Also, I have no way of knowing if the output is actually 24p. Hopefully someone with more knowledge will add their .02.

BTW: You can download the full version of Sony Vegas and try it for free for 30 days. I would recommend this (if for no other reason) to make sure your system/video card is up to the task.

Heh, I knew you weren't being dishonest, I just didn't know if you knew enough to know for sure; as you said, you're a newbie to video editing.

Anyway, I did download the Movie Studio 9 demo and converted some clips last night. I did end up with very large files: 200MB ended up 4GB. However later I selected the WMV9 I think and output to 720p 24fps which only ended up slightly bigger than the original and still looked really good.

Now I need to find a tutorial and or description of all the functions and settings in there.

I guess I was just skeptical at first about the 24p because I read several 5D movie forums and everyone complains about the 24p conversion process but to me the Vegas Movie Studio didn't seem to make it complicated but I wouldn't be surprised that I just don't know enough about the process yet.

[Firotechnics]

Final Cut Pro

[gooble]

Final Cut Pro

Is there anything less than $1100 to $1300 that will work?

[Tony-S]

Don't know if I'd get a Mac unless it was a Macbook (not pro). How well can you edit movies on those?

1080p editing requires a bit of cpu muscle - the MacBook would work, but it'd be at the slower end. Definitely, you'd need an external display (1080p) for your viewing screen (while using the MB display for tools, timelines, etc.).

Can you sync offboard audio and such in Final Cut Express?

I'm unfamiliar with offboard audio sync'ing. Does that use some sort of standard, or do you just move (nudge) tracks around until they're sync'd?

[gooble]

1080p editing requires a bit of cpu muscle - the MacBook would work, but it'd be at the slower end. Definitely, you'd need an external display (1080p) for your viewing screen (while using the MB display for tools, timelines, etc.).



I'm unfamiliar with offboard audio sync'ing. Does that use some sort of standard, or do you just move (nudge) tracks around until they're sync'd?

I think I've figured it out. I've messed around with the Vegas Movie Studio 9 demo and realized that it's probably not as hard as I thought. I don't think you need anything special to sync them you just use something like a slate -the black and white hinged thing they slap together at the beginning of movie scenes - to create a short spike in your audio which allows you to visually match up an external audio to your video's built-in audio then you mute the built-in audio.

[@b@b]

I use AVS video editor 4.1, works perfect.

Greetings Ab:)

[timeasterday]

I use AVS video editor 4.1, works perfect.

Greetings Ab:)

I've been running the trial version of that and so far it seems pretty good. I think I might just go ahead and buy it, after I've tried a couple of other programs.

[ChrisMc73]

Have you all seen this new plugin?

http://www.dvinfo.net/article/acquisition/canon-eos/canon-d-slr-log-transfer-plugin-for-final-cut-pro.html

[GrillZ]

I use Sony Vegas Movie Studio Platinum 9.0....

I like it.....it's really easy to use for a "beginner/intermediate" user with some basic common sense.

I also have Adobe Premiere but I tried and tried using it but it is sooooo difficult and I couldn't figure out anything. lol.

-Jordan.


b.t.w.....
Dose any one know of any web sites that have good/wide selection of Sony Vegas tutorials?





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[joove]

GrillZ, http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/training. Look under the "Free training videos" sections. They are very useful for getting started with all kinds of things.

[dan j]

Does anyone use VideoStudio? I'm using VS 11 Plus and can't figure out how to get past 720p.

Thanks,
dan

[Pearlallica]

I just found this section. I love video editing - been doing it with tape since the early 90's. :P

I currently use the adobe CS4 master collection for video editing. When I stepped up to HD I thought it was going to stutter my system, but so far I'm very pleased with how CS4 handles these big files as everything gets done as fast as standard def' did.

After Effects is great once you get into it. It processes your video the same way photoshop/lightroom does for your stills. If you're used to Flash, it gives you control over your layers in a similar manner. It's a pricey package, no doubt. But if you can afford it, it's the only way to (on windows) for complete control over your video.

DAN J: video studio 11 does not do 1080p, as far as I'm aware. I purchased V11 just before V12 came out. I tried the V12 demo and it does 1080p. It's the software I started using for home video editing and I found it more stable than 64-bit Sony Vegas (my big 5DII .mov files crashed it frequently)

[dan j]

Jon,
Thank you for the info! I guess I'll have to go with VS12. Are you using the full version, or the demo?

Thanks,
dan

[Pearlallica]

Jon,
Thank you for the info! I guess I'll have to go with VS12. Are you using the full version, or the demo?

Thanks,
dan

I tried V12 demo out for a while but I outgrew it's limitations rather quickly. If you're doing simple editing with straight forward effects it's a great value. If you want to output HD video for YouTube or Facebook it will get you results very quickly. I didn't get too far with it, however, mainly because I work in Windows 7, and the software hasn't been patched yet to work functionally in that OS. (had no issues trying it with XP and Vista)

There is an after effects demo available on the adobe site. If you're bold and willing to dive in deep, you'll find you can do just about anything that comes to mind. I'm still getting familiarized with it but since I'm a photoshop master and I don't find the two worlds drastically apart.

[lepar]

I use Pinnacle Studio 12 to capture, edit and burn videos from my standard camcorder.
Could someone explain how to convert or transfer the 5D HD videos to Pinnacle Studio? Thanks.

I tried this, and it worked. First, I use Zoombrowser EX software that came with my Canon 5DII to cut my movies into small pieces, and get rid of unnecessary sections (make sure you have both .mov and .thm files next to each other, as Canon records movies by creating two files for each clip. If you only have kept the .mov files, you cannot cut the movies). Next, download VLC media player (a great free program) that not only plays your mov. files but also converts them to MPEG4. Make sure your also convert/save the audio as well. Once done, import your final mpeg4 clips into Pinnacle Studio 12. Reason for MPG4 is that it is supposed to be a High Definition clip, and my final goal was to burn BlueRay discs with Pinnacle 12. This said, I had issues too. If your movie clips are too long, Pinnacle keeps crashing. Corel VideoStudio Pro X2 is supposed to be a better movie editing program that will import your quicktime .mov files directly without need to convert them, and burn them on Blue Ray. But try the VLC media player. It is a great program. You may need to do a little tweaking under tools / preferences, otherwise the clips it plays will be a little shaky and jagged.

[dan j]

I tried V12 demo out for a while but I outgrew it's limitations rather quickly. If you're doing simple editing with straight forward effects it's a great value. If you want to output HD video for YouTube or Facebook it will get you results very quickly. I didn't get too far with it, however, mainly because I work in Windows 7, and the software hasn't been patched yet to work functionally in that OS. (had no issues trying it with XP and Vista)

There is an after effects demo available on the adobe site. If you're bold and willing to dive in deep, you'll find you can do just about anything that comes to mind. I'm still getting familiarized with it but since I'm a photoshop master and I don't find the two worlds drastically apart.I really don't think I should dive deep into another hobby; I'm already into enough stuff ;)

I guess I really just want something simple that can edit and save in 1080p. Then eventually come back to it and burn it to Blu-Ray when I finally buy a BR burner.

I guess I'll have to download VS12 eventually.

Thanks,
dan

[Pearlallica]

don't bother with blue-ray. For consumer use the main benefit is storage. Use your current DVD burner and burn with the AVCHD format. It's HD video on a DVD disc. Plays 1080p through your blue-ray player. It's great.

(plus the BR burners out there are overpriced and not entirely reliable, not to mention overpriced media)

[dan j]

Interesting points about the BR. I was planning on waiting for the BR burners to come down before buying, but I could update my Roxio to Creator 2010. Maybe I'll just do that for now. Hopefully Creator 2010 video editing is good enough for me so I can skip VS12.

Thanks,
dan

[MaliCali]

I think I've figured it out. I've messed around with the Vegas Movie Studio 9 demo and realized that it's probably not as hard as I thought. I don't think you need anything special to sync them you just use something like a slate -the black and white hinged thing they slap together at the beginning of movie scenes - to create a short spike in your audio which allows you to visually match up an external audio to your video's built-in audio then you mute the built-in audio.

Slating is the primary Manual way of syncing sound. and is how i sync my sound to my 5D footage..

however the way it should be done is with a sound device that works with timecode, unfortunately even if you have this, the 5D2 still does not, so you are basically stuck with slating...not really a terrible thing..

[Matthew Craggs]

There is a plugin for Final Cut called Plural Eyes, and that will automatically sync sound from another source with the press of a key.

It analyzes the waveform of your 5D audio, the waveform of your other audio, and line it up for you. Basically doing the pain in the back side work that takes much longer by hand.

The URL is www.singularsoftware.com

[SJPHoto]

I used iMovie to edit this shoot today. It did the trick for what I needed, but I wish there was more editing ability with the exposure and shadows.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0x5LknFsxc&feature=player_embedded

[hickory]

I used iMovie to edit this shoot today. It did the trick for what I needed, but I wish there was more editing ability with the exposure and shadows.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0x5LknFsxc&feature=player_embedded

Nice job! Lucky you to do something like that with Howey too.

[MLphoto]

Used the search function and this is were it took me :)

I'm currently debating between Adobe Premier or Sony Vegas. I'll be upgrading from Windows Movie Maker after using it 3/4 years and mastering it very easily. I know that both Adobe Premier and Sony Vegas programs have a wide range visual editing. But from your guys experience which one do you think is better to use, I know that isn't the best question to ask but really... which one is?
I use photoshop and lightroom for editing pictures on a constant basic, would Adobe Premier be the way to go then? I don't mind learning either way I go.

I'd like to get the most advanced program, The Pro version that is... I've saved my pennies up.
I want a program that can be greatly and freely editing, for ex: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-5fBtUxUDI&feature=video_response

thanks in advance.

- one more thing, I'll be getting the 7D... so I'd like a program that can be able to handle 720p/1080p footage that i can export without losing to much quality.

[sharrowm]

Used the search function and this is were it took me :)

I'm currently debating between Adobe Premier or Sony Vegas. I'll be upgrading from Windows Movie Maker after using it 3/4 years and mastering it very easily. I know that both Adobe Premier and Sony Vegas programs have a wide range visual editing. But from your guys experience which one do you think is better to use, I know that isn't the best question to ask but really... which one is?
I use photoshop and lightroom for editing pictures on a constant basic, would Adobe Premier be the way to go then? I don't mind learning either way I go.

I'd like to get the most advanced program, The Pro version that is... I've saved my pennies up.
I want a program that can be greatly and freely editing, for ex: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-5fBtUxUDI&feature=video_response

thanks in advance.

- one more thing, I'll be getting the 7D... so I'd like a program that can be able to handle 720p/1080p footage that i can export without losing to much quality.


I am by no means an expert, but I use Vegas. And the best thing about vegas is that you can download and use the full version for free for 30 days. Vegas does process 720p & 1080p. Just make sure your hardware is up to the task.

[mhthomps]

I am by no means an expert, but I use Vegas. And the best thing about vegas is that you can download and use the full version for free for 30 days. Vegas does process 720p & 1080p. Just make sure your hardware is up to the task.

Need a little help...When I'm editing in Vegas Pro 9, the movie is very choppy.

This is my workflow today:

-Shoot the video on the 5D Mark II manual mode (at this point, I've tried to keep the shutter speed at 1/30).
-Insert the memory card into the CPU
-I drag the .mov files to my desktop (Vista 64-bit, 8GB RAM, Quad Core Processor) from the 5D Mark II's memory card in Windows Explorer
-Open Vegas Pro and use the Explorer window to add the .MOV files to the timeline.
-When I start to preview the movie, it's very choppy.


A little help would be much appreciated. (I haven't tried rendering anything).

[CAL Imagery]

I am by no means an expert, but I use Vegas. And the best thing about vegas is that you can download and use the full version for free for 30 days. Vegas does process 720p & 1080p. Just make sure your hardware is up to the task.
You can also download a full trial for Premiere. I think most software companies into photo and video editing have 30 day trials.

[sharrowm]

Need a little help...When I'm editing in Vegas Pro 9, the movie is very choppy.

This is my workflow today:

-Shoot the video on the 5D Mark II manual mode (at this point, I've tried to keep the shutter speed at 1/30).
-Insert the memory card into the CPU
-I drag the .mov files to my desktop (Vista 64-bit, 8GB RAM, Quad Core Processor) from the 5D Mark II's memory card in Windows Explorer
-Open Vegas Pro and use the Explorer window to add the .MOV files to the timeline.
-When I start to preview the movie, it's very choppy.


A little help would be much appreciated. (I haven't tried rendering anything).


If you are talking about the video being choppy during the editing process (in the editing window) then yes, I experience the same thing. I wouldn't describe it as "very" choppy though. However, the output is very smooth. I have my workflow written down at home, but I'm currently on vacation. I'll post up when I get home on Saturday.

[sharrowm]

You can also download a full trial for Premiere. I think most software companies into photo and video editing have 30 day trials.

I did download and tried the "trial" version of Premiere. It's been a while, but IIRC Premiere did not include all of the features in the trial version (I believe it left out the ability to output HD?) and it also inserted a logo, stamp or something over the top of the video making the output useless for anything but evaluation. That's OK if you don't mind tossing all of your hard work after you're done. I tried a few different trial versions for photo editing and Vegas was the only one that was a true full working version and/or did not deface the output in some way.

[ChrisMc73]

I did download and tried the "trial" version of Premiere. It's been a while, but IIRC Premiere did not include all of the features in the trial version (I believe it left out the ability to output HD?) and it also inserted a logo, stamp or something over the top of the video making the output useless for anything but evaluation. That's OK if you don't mind tossing all of your hard work after you're done. I tried a few different trial versions for photo editing and Vegas was the only one that was a true full working version and/or did not deface the output in some way.

I think the trial version is the exact same thing as the full version, yet you only have 30 days to evaluate it. So after that you have to put in a key code to use it.

[imput1234]

I use Adobe Premiere, but don't own a 5D2 lol

[Pekka]

Is Vegas Pro 9 the only one which works fully in Windows 7 64-bit?

[DonJuanMair]

i want to edit a movie, i want to add sound, i want that sound to go with the timing of the movie, unfortunately due to the choppiness i coudlnt achieve what i wanted :(

[ChrisMc73]

What were you using?

[DonJuanMair]

i actually got it working in the end
i used vegas pro.

[wesjr]

I've been using iMovie '09 in the past but recently began learning Final Cut Express 4.0. It's an excellent program. I use my new Samson Handyrecorder H4N for sound.

It's awesome and gives the video a professional touch....
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[skanter]

i actually got it working in the end
i used vegas pro.

I've started using trial version of Vegas Pro 9. Can you tell me what settings you use when you save (render)? The choices seem daunting. I want best quality, eventually send to Youtube HD or Vimeo.

[ChrisMc73]

What is the best standard to use on Vimeo by the way? What formats, size, etc...?

[Firotechnics]

I Use final cut pro to edit all my videos and export in prores 422

What is the best standard to use on Vimeo by the way? What formats, size, etc...?

Vimeo uses H.264 u can use any size even 1080p vimeo has a page on what compression setting to use. Here is vimeo's compression guidelines http://vimeo.com/help/compression

[ChrisMc73]

Thanks Firotechnics!

[baldylox]

howdy all. newbie with a 5Dm2 trying to edit some .mov files. I have APP CS4 and it wont recognize the canon files at all. Ive tried several tips and tricks from the net and was told to buy neoscene :(

i assume from reading I should be using HDV 1080p30 when starting a new project, but mov are never recognized.

any help would be great. thx in advance
edit - another website said to isntall quicktime. no change except now i get errors for QTCF.dll missing. /sigh
edit 2 - FIXED!! my quicktime was fubar. after 3 reinstalls and adding the dll to system32 folder all seems good.

[skanter]

i want to edit a movie, i want to add sound, i want that sound to go with the timing of the movie, unfortunately due to the choppiness i coudlnt achieve what i wanted :(

If you are usinf 5DmkII, 7D or 500D - you need to transcode first to lose choppiness in previewing. The only program I know with smooth previewing ov MOV files is Pinnacle Ultimate 14, but this is not a fully pro program.

Go to www.cinema5d.com for more info.

[mafibasheth]

I don't know if this has been talked about yet, because I just skimmed through all the posts.
Editing on most programs I have found that trans-coding all the footage to the apple pro
res 422 codec before adding to the timeline works the best. Another thing, not sure if this
has been covered, check out Avid, it's a very powerful editing tool that also runs on pc!!!
I use Final Cut Pro, but if you don't have a mac, Avid is as good if not better depending on tastes.

[ChrisMc73]

howdy all. newbie with a 5Dm2 trying to edit some .mov files. I have APP CS4 and it wont recognize the canon files at all. Ive tried several tips and tricks from the net and was told to buy neoscene :(

i assume from reading I should be using HDV 1080p30 when starting a new project, but mov are never recognized.

any help would be great. thx in advance
edit - another website said to isntall quicktime. no change except now i get errors for QTCF.dll missing. /sigh
edit 2 - FIXED!! my quicktime was fubar. after 3 reinstalls and adding the dll to system32 folder all seems good.

You have CS4 Master Collection? Or what version of CS4?
I use the Adobe Media Encoder CS4 on my PC an it will convert the .MOV files from the 5D Mark II...if its Mac the poster above is correct...

[markriley1]

Im a PC user and I have the SX1 IS which also has same MOV 1080p files. I have used one workflow so far that I know will work and have good quality in the end.
1. I used neoscene 7 day trial to convert MOV to AVI and the files were very large but were same quality as original. Best thing is NeoScene will convert the files much faster than any other program i have tried yet; even does batches or folders of the HD mov files.
2. I have used cyberlinks powerdirector 7 (not HD) and just upgraded to vers 8 (hd) (about $90 unless its an upgrade from 7 ). I can play/edit the converted video clips (AVI) in the editor very smmothly and in sync with the audio. I then render to regular DVD output (dont have a blueray player yet, neither did the people I was sending videos to). Thing is the AVI plays just as clear on my 1080p monitor as the HDMI cord from the camera, and as smooth as the camera.


I am still new to this but wanted to add what i had found out about neoscene results. only thing is neoscene is expinsive for just a converter program. ($100-$120)
Power Director is simple to use (like windows movie maker but a few steps above IMO) and therfore probably not a master movie makers choice like sony vegas or Cs4 type programs.
Now I looking forward to burning burning HD to regular DVD (never knew) and getting a BR player. Also looking forward to testing different programs to convert with before I breakdown and get neosecne.

My pc specs: AMD athlon 64FX 2.6 ghz dual core, ATi 3850HD (AGP), and 3 gigs of DDR1 ram. win XP 32 bit. Way out of date for this kind of stuff i know, but have to wait a little longer to order my wish list from newegg.

[vipergts831]

Im a PC user and I have the SX1 IS which also has same MOV 1080p files. I have used one workflow so far that I know will work and have good quality in the end.
1. I used neoscene 7 day trial to convert MOV to AVI and the files were very large but were same quality as original. Best thing is NeoScene will convert the files much faster than any other program i have tried yet; even does batches or folders of the HD mov files.
2. I have used cyberlinks powerdirector 7 (not HD) and just upgraded to vers 8 (hd) (about $90 unless its an upgrade from 7 ). I can play/edit the converted video clips (AVI) in the editor very smmothly and in sync with the audio. I then render to regular DVD output (dont have a blueray player yet, neither did the people I was sending videos to). Thing is the AVI plays just as clear on my 1080p monitor as the HDMI cord from the camera, and as smooth as the camera.


I am still new to this but wanted to add what i had found out about neoscene results. only thing is neoscene is expinsive for just a converter program. ($100-$120)
Power Director is simple to use (like windows movie maker but a few steps above IMO) and therfore probably not a master movie makers choice like sony vegas or Cs4 type programs.
Now I looking forward to burning burning HD to regular DVD (never knew) and getting a BR player. Also looking forward to testing different programs to convert with before I breakdown and get neosecne.

My pc specs: AMD athlon 64FX 2.6 ghz dual core, ATi 3850HD (AGP), and 3 gigs of DDR1 ram. win XP 32 bit. Way out of date for this kind of stuff i know, but have to wait a little longer to order my wish list from newegg.

Mark im in your same boat. Im trying not to break down and buy neoscene as it just a converter. Anyone using anything else in vegas 9 to convert video for editing and then converting it back for high quality?

[sharrowm]

Mark im in your same boat. Im trying not to break down and buy neoscene as it just a converter. Anyone using anything else in vegas 9 to convert video for editing and then converting it back for high quality?

I'm not sure that I understand the question. I am able to bring the MOV files directly into Vegas 9 for editing without converting first. Are you saying that you are unable to do this?

[vipergts831]

I'm not sure that I understand the question. I am able to bring the MOV files directly into Vegas 9 for editing without converting first. Are you saying that you are unable to do this?

I can bring them into the program without a problem. However what im asking is what are you rendering the file to in order to edit the file. Its native format is very difficult to edit since it skips around.

[markriley1]

I am currently looking into trying to find some settings in PowerDirector8 and a trial version of premierer Pro CS4, to see if the HD videos can be delt with any better in the editors.
Seems strange that two free media players ( VLC and The KM Player) have some settings in the options that allow me to play the original MOV H.264 files in full screen on my 1920x1080 acer monitor, looking crystal clear, smooth, and in-sync with the audio. and the even very expensive editors have players that cant play the same file in a 3x5 window smooth enough to edit anything. To render the file in the editor takes roughly 10x the length of the file play time. 30 second file = 3 min worth of rendering in CS4 and power director 8.

Neo Scene can convert to a lossless AVI format that can be used in these programs and it plays back on thier project windows fine. To convert with Neo Scene takes like 15 seconds to do a 1 minute clip (best i remember) that is then easy to work with and still same quality as original.
Its looking more like time to buy Neo Scene and get it over with i guess.
Unless anyone knows of some plugin or setting for Cyberlink Power Director 8, or Premiere Pro CS4 to make thier players work as well as the free one i mentined.

[markriley1]

I found the settings info for VLC on these forums i think. Just in case, here are the steps to set up both of the players i mentioned in my last post.

Here is how to set the two players to play your MOV h.264 original clips clear and smooth:

KM Player:
Open player, right click screen. Pick options/preferences.
Go down to “internal video decoder” and click on it
Window on right comes up, under general tab, make sure boxes are checked for
H.264 and AVC1.
Go to the advanced tab at top and then check boxes for
Fast MPEG encoding and Fast H.264 encoding
close that window, go to top left of player and hit file to import your clip and play it


VLC Player:
Open player, pick tools/ preferences, then at bottom left select “all” at show settings
Click + next to Input / Codecs to expand and then again at other codecs.
Click FFMPEG and to the right of “skip the loop filter for H.264” pull down and select “ALL”. Save and close. Browse for and play your file

[ChrisMc73]

I found the settings info for VLC on these forums i think. Just in case, here are the steps to set up both of the players i mentioned in my last post.

Here is how to set the two players to play your MOV h.264 original clips clear and smooth:

KM Player:
Open player, right click screen. Pick options/preferences.
Go down to “internal video decoder” and click on it
Window on right comes up, under general tab, make sure boxes are checked for
H.264 and AVC1.
Go to the advanced tab at top and then check boxes for
Fast MPEG encoding and Fast H.264 encoding
close that window, go to top left of player and hit file to import your clip and play it


VLC Player:
Open player, pick tools/ preferences, then at bottom left select “all” at show settings
Click + next to Input / Codecs to expand and then again at other codecs.
Click FFMPEG and to the right of “skip the loop filter for H.264” pull down and select “ALL”. Save and close. Browse for and play your file

I tried this, but it didn't work great for me, video is very bad, it distorts and cuts in and out. Sound is fine. It might be I have an older PC?

[markriley1]

KM player works best for me. You tried it too?

[ChrisMc73]

KM player works best for me. You tried it too?

Nope, I'll give it a shot. I have a dual Xeon processor, but kind of old machine.

[markriley1]

My system specs are on pg 8 post 116 in the last line. My graphics card doesnt have the feature where it works with the CPU to help out durring rendering. but its the best AGP card available until I upgrade the whole system to PCI express Mobo and new everything.
Good luck with the KM Player on your system,

If anyone knows of settings or plugins to help wtih the HD MOV H.264 vewing/ editing issue in any video editor, im all ears.
Thanks

[antitera]

Adobe Premiere Pro for me.

[aroundlsu]

Latest Final Cut Studio. I use mpeg streamclip to convert to Prores 422 1920x1080 30p. Then edit in FCP. Then send to Color. Then back to FCP for final polish. Export settings depends on where it is going. I usually export at least three different kinds of files for final delivery. 640x360 .h264 works good for client proofing/approval. 1280x720 .m2v seems to look good on YouTube.

[SCMedic]

Tried to speed up a couple moon-setting video's I took over the mountains last night. Trying to do it quickly, iMovie only lets you run it up to 2000% of normal, which isn't very fast. I have Final Cut Express, but that seemed to make the clips choppy. Suggestions?

[ChrisMc73]

Have you all seen this announcement?

http://blog.planet5d.com/2010/02/canon-announces-eos-e1-video-plug-in-for-apples-final-cut-pro/

[Mark II]

Have you all seen this announcement?

http://blog.planet5d.com/2010/02/canon-announces-eos-e1-video-plug-in-for-apples-final-cut-pro/
Sweeeet! ..... saving for that 8 gig Mac Pro now! :D

[Tony-S]

I wonder if it'll work with Final Cut Express.

[aroundlsu]

Ugh I hate log and transfer. So slow at transcoding. I will probably stick to my streamclip workflow.

[joonrhee]

For people who used both imovie 09 and Final Cut Express, I would like to ask a few questions. I just got my 5dmkii, but only have those 2 softwares... Don't want to spend another 1k for FCP.

1. How would you compare the HD qualities when they are exported to Quick Time?
2. In imovie 09, the most appropriate way to import the h.264 file format (without crashing or losing too much quality) is to go through Mpeg Streamclip and change to AIC. Would this be your workflow?
3. In FCE, to avoid constant rendering (which takes way too long) and rather work on footage natively, it is the best to go through Mpeg Steamclip and change to fps to 29.97. Is this true and would this be your workflow?

I don't really mind which program I would have to use. I just don't want to lose any quality. What would be the best solutions?

Thanks.

[aroundlsu]

No don't change the footage to 29.97. Change your timeline to 30 with field dominance none.

AIC will work though most of us would use prores.

[joonrhee]

No don't change the footage to 29.97. Change your timeline to 30 with field dominance none.

AIC will work though most of us would use prores.

Assuming you're talking about FCE,
1. So, just go ahead and use Mpeg Streamclip to convert to AIC but keep it at 30fps.
2. Then, change the timeline to 30 with field dominance none. Since I'm not too familiar with FCE yet, would you mind briefly explaining how I can do this?
3. What about when you export? Do you have any suggestions if I change the timeline to 30?

Thanks.

[Ivan from Belgium]

I just gotten the new camera and it seems that Canon has left out any software for editing the movie files. I am new to movie editing so I would be most grateful if anyone here can advise what they would recommend using (preferably freebie software just in case I do not wish to take up this side of photography seriously).

Thanks!

As far as I know, the cheapest way of editing Canon's video files is like this:
1) Buy Sony Vegas HD here (http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/moviestudiohd)
2) Download SUPER (http://www.softpedia.com/progDownload/SUPER-Download-23696.html)
3) Following this tutorial (http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/12/12/proxy-editing-with-sony-vegas/), create easy-to-edit proxy files
4) Edit your movie
5) Replace the proxy files with the original files (see tutorial above)
6) Render to your preferred format

Eugenia Loli, who wrote the tutorial, does warn that Vegas may become unstable when working with larger numbers of video events (importing the movs will make Vegas crash from time to time)

Eugenia advises to use Neoscene to create lossless decompressed files (3x bigger) instead of the above by-proxy method.

[skanter]

Not free, but Pinnacle Studio 14 Ultimate is the easiest program to use as it plays and edits MOV files from Canon cameras with no prior encoding. It is fairly easy to use as well:

http://buy.pinnaclesys.com/dr/v2/ec_main.entry25?page=StudioLandingPage&client=Pinnacle&sid=51106

I have no idea why this program handles the MOV files so well, while "pro" programs cannot.

I would only go the encoding or proxy route only if you need more advanced features in Vegas Pro or Adobe Premiere.

I am assuming you have a PC. If you have a Mac, use iMovie or some version of Final Cut.

[JennGrover]

Adobe Premiere Elements isn't bad and if you are new, better to start small. I have been using 7.0, but it looks like 8.0 is a nice upgrade.

[aroundlsu]

Adobe Premiere Elements isn't bad and if you are new, better to start small. I have been using 7.0, but it looks like 8.0 is a nice upgrade.

I would disagree. If you are new and have a choice start with the industry standard. The standard has quickly become Final Cut. If you can, go ahead and start
on that. Break the curve and learn the software
that every studio on the planet uses.

Disclaimer: I realize Avid is still hanging in there, but in my experience it is only the older studios sticking with it. 95% of the outside companies I work with are on Final Cut.

[ChrisMc73]

I would disagree. If you are new and have a choice start with the industry standard. The standard has quickly become Final Cut. If you can, go ahead and start
on that. Break the curve and learn the software
that every studio on the planet uses.

Disclaimer: I realize Avid is still hanging in there, but in my experience it is only the older studios sticking with it. 95% of the outside companies I work with are on Final Cut.

Ok, so for someone new to Final Cut and video editing all together, do you suggest Final Cut Express or Final Cut Pro/Studio? To get used to the software?

[JennGrover]

I would disagree. If you are new and have a choice start with the industry standard. The standard has quickly become Final Cut. If you can, go ahead and start
on that. Break the curve and learn the software
that every studio on the planet uses.

Disclaimer: I realize Avid is still hanging in there, but in my experience it is only the older studios sticking with it. 95% of the outside companies I work with are on Final Cut.

You are talking hundreds of dollars of difference in cost and for many of us video is secondary. I am not going to argue with you about Final Cut's superiority, but if you are new and don't have a big budget, Premiere Elements isn't bad.

[ChrisMc73]

You are talking hundreds of dollars of difference in cost and for many of us video is secondary. I am not going to argue with you about Final Cut's superiority, but if you are new and don't have a big budget, Premiere Elements isn't bad.

Premiere Elements costs a few dollars less than Final Cut Express, but both are decent products, I prefer the Apple product over the Adobe stuff, but that is me.
Isn't PE like $80 and FCE is like $199?

[JennGrover]

Premiere Elements costs a few dollars less than Final Cut Express, but both are decent products, I prefer the Apple product over the Adobe stuff, but that is me.
Isn't PE like $80 and FCE is like $99?

You probably can get deals on either of them at any given point in time.

[aroundlsu]

My opinion is if budget is not an issue. I have no idea what anything costs. I don't actually buy anything. That is what producers are for. ;)

However with that said, Apple does not use activation codes or anything of that nature. If you can get your hands on the install discs you have the software. Just sayin. ;)

[JennGrover]

My opinion is if budget is not an issue. I have no idea what anything costs. I don't actually buy anything. That is what producers are for. ;)

However with that said, Apple does not use activation codes or anything of that nature. If you can get your hands on the install discs you have the software. Just sayin. ;)

Well, not everyoone uses apple or wants to for one. Secondly, Recommending someone break the law through software piracy is never cool. It is equivolant to someone using a pro photographer's photo without permission. Both are theft.

[RWatkins]

My opinion is if budget is not an issue. I have no idea what anything costs. I don't actually buy anything. That is what producers are for. ;)

However with that said, Apple does not use activation codes or anything of that nature. If you can get your hands on the install discs you have the software. Just sayin. ;)

I thought they did with Final Cut.

[Tony-S]

However with that said, Apple does not use activation codes or anything of that nature.

Yes, they do for their pro apps, including Final Cut and Aperture.

[ChrisMc73]

I'm going to use Final Cut for its user friendly interface, same reason I chose Aperture 3 over Lightroom 3, for now anyway. I've always loved Adobe products, and still find them very well done, but after I moved from PC to Mac, I really enjoy Apple's software. I take advantage of trial and beta software releases and use the free time to see which products I like. Then purchase; as I did with Aperture 3.

Final Cut Express will be my next adventure, I already have Adobe Premiere from my Master Collection, but the interface is so overwhelming, that when I open it, I'm scared to touch anything.
I just need some training or a book to help me find my way around, but I think with Final Cut Express I might get up to speed quicker, we'll see.

[TurboDream17]

I thought Adobe Premiere Elements and iMovie couldn't output 1080p ?

Am I overlooking something?

[Tony-S]

I thought Adobe Premiere Elements and iMovie couldn't output 1080p ? Am I overlooking something?

iMovie does 1080p just fine.