First Wedding results

[BJWOK]

Shot my first wedding in December, be keen to hear your thoughts on these - the best of the 191 shot I gave to the client.

01. http://www.bjwok.com/photos/weddings/rhiannondave/rhiannondave01.jpg
02. http://www.bjwok.com/photos/weddings/rhiannondave/rhiannondave02.jpg
03. http://www.bjwok.com/photos/weddings/rhiannondave/rhiannondave03.jpg
04. http://www.bjwok.com/photos/weddings/rhiannondave/rhiannondave04.jpg
05. http://www.bjwok.com/photos/weddings/rhiannondave/rhiannondave05.jpg
06. http://www.bjwok.com/photos/weddings/rhiannondave/rhiannondave06.jpg
07. http://www.bjwok.com/photos/weddings/rhiannondave/rhiannondave07.jpg
08. http://www.bjwok.com/photos/weddings/rhiannondave/rhiannondave08.jpg

[jayspec]

1. Insufficient separation between bride and rest of party. Unflattering "up the nose" angle. Tonal merger with her hair and the lady behind her. Her arm is cut off by what appears to be a book.

2. Much better, but I'm still not a fan of the angle. Perhaps I'd like it in a series if there was a similarly executed shot of the bride.

3. Perfectly good ring shot ruined by whatever crap was between you and the hands.

4. Nice, but not particularly compelling. I'd like to see more of his face. Perhaps you can ask him to look up at you?

5. Put down the damned beer bottle! Are you in charge of your shots or not? If you see some shlub who can't be bothered to put down his libations for two seconds while taking wedding photographs, TELL HIM TO PUT IT DOWN! Also don't like the boats coming out of Mr. Beery's head, or the rowboat behind everyone. The boy in front and woman behind seem to be at some odd angles.

6. I'll allow the drink in this one, since it works with the image. Don't like the at-the-knees crop. And those two people (or whatever) on his shoulders need to go.

7. Disturbing angle for a multi-person formals shot. I could live with the "severe artificial angle" or the "fun group portrait" but not both in the same shot.

8. The (less severe) angle of this one works much better. (Still not my cup of tea, but it does make an interesting composition.) Best of the bunch. (And you agree, which is why you put it last.)

[henry_b]

well, actually i like them very much. not a fan on the process on some of them, but i think they have a lot of potencial. well done! ( i do like those weird angles! )

[BJWOK]

thanks jay, your points are well noted however maybe i should have added that the style requested by the client was "fly-on-the-wall". They specifically wanted to steer away from the typical wedding photography that by following your tips we would have wound up with.

the wedding invite itself read "come for lunch and get pissed with us, oh and by the way we are getting married too" (something like that anyway). there was no church, no speeches, no vowes, nothing traditional and the photos were to be along the same lines.

[Oteck]

hmmm those sunglasses needs to come off....

[jayspec]

thanks jay, your points are well noted however maybe i should have added that the style requested by the client was "fly-on-the-wall". They specifically wanted to steer away from the typical wedding photography that by following your tips we would have wound up with.

the wedding invite itself read "come for lunch and get pissed with us, oh and by the way we are getting married too" (something like that anyway). there was no church, no speeches, no vowes, nothing traditional and the photos were to be along the same lines.

Bull. Barely a single criticism stems from your "fly on the wall" coverage. Yes, perhaps actually asking someone to put down that bottle of beer is participating rather than observing. But being a fly on the wall doesn't prevent you from judiciously choosing your angles, or examining your backgrounds before you shoot.

And am I to believe that you just randomly found these people in these particular positions on the beach and under a dock? What an odd grouping to randomly happen! Or is it perhaps true that you actually directed these people to stand in these positions? In which case, you're not a fly on the wall but rather a fly sitting in a director's chair with a bullhorn. So while you're shouting into this bullhorn like the director you are, perhaps you should take a moment and tell the guy TO PUT HIS DAMN BEER AWAY!

[BJWOK]

well who's having a bad day then?

thanks again for the comments, your suggestions have been noted.

cheers mate :)

[yuriyo923]

1. Insufficient separation between bride and rest of party. Unflattering "up the nose" angle. Tonal merger with her hair and the lady behind her. Her arm is cut off by what appears to be a book.

2. Much better, but I'm still not a fan of the angle. Perhaps I'd like it in a series if there was a similarly executed shot of the bride.

3. Perfectly good ring shot ruined by whatever crap was between you and the hands.

4. Nice, but not particularly compelling. I'd like to see more of his face. Perhaps you can ask him to look up at you?

5. Put down the damned beer bottle! Are you in charge of your shots or not? If you see some shlub who can't be bothered to put down his libations for two seconds while taking wedding photographs, TELL HIM TO PUT IT DOWN! Also don't like the boats coming out of Mr. Beery's head, or the rowboat behind everyone. The boy in front and woman behind seem to be at some odd angles.

6. I'll allow the drink in this one, since it works with the image. Don't like the at-the-knees crop. And those two people (or whatever) on his shoulders need to go.

7. Disturbing angle for a multi-person formals shot. I could live with the "severe artificial angle" or the "fun group portrait" but not both in the same shot.

8. The (less severe) angle of this one works much better. (Still not my cup of tea, but it does make an interesting composition.) Best of the bunch. (And you agree, which is why you put it last.)

I've read few other posts you answered about other wedding shots.. I'm not letting you CC my photos.. ;) JK I think I'll PM you once I get dont with my PP to see what you can find (which I'm sure wont te hard, you notice every little thing) in my pictures..

I like these overall..

[Karizmatik]

I like the beer in the shot - It's natural, having a good time. I've had it in a few shots myself. Not quite sure why Jay is all uppity.

But anyway.. I liked the shots, very nicely done for a first. Very nice. The only thing I would bring up is the effects - Some people like them, others don't. While doing proofs, perhaps take two versions along. Other than that, congratulations on a very well done first shoot.

[ukactionsports]

I like the beer in the shot - It's natural, having a good time. I've had it in a few shots myself. Not quite sure why Jay is all uppity.

But anyway.. I liked the shots, very nicely done for a first. Very nice. The only thing I would bring up is the effects - Some people like them, others don't. While doing proofs, perhaps take two versions along. Other than that, congratulations on a very well done first shoot.

+1 I agree, I like the way the bottle adds to the casual theme for the images; which I think you pulled them all off very well.

If I shot these then I'd be happy with the results! :D

Could you explain the PP you did in the 5th photo?

Good work!

[BJWOK]

thanks guys.

just a side note: i did provide both processed and "regular" versions of all 190+ pics. the client can then choose which is worthy of printing.

ukactionsports, the pp in the number 05 is actually a free lightroom preset called boon doggle. all done in lightroom, only a final levels adjustment/sharpen in PP. :)

[PhotoRook]

I like both the shots and the processing. I love the rich coloring on 7 & 8. What LR/PS combo to achieve that?

[ukactionsports]

thanks guys.

just a side note: i did provide both processed and "regular" versions of all 190+ pics. the client can then choose which is worthy of printing.

ukactionsports, the pp in the number 05 is actually a free lightroom preset called boon doggle. all done in lightroom, only a final levels adjustment/sharpen in PP. :)

I think they look great! Good work :D

[Ragingblues]

Beautiful shots!

[michillebaker]

I love them all and for the first wedding you did an amazing job! Keep up the great work!

[LeoChanPhotography]

jay's got some very helpful feedback... :) helps train the eye and i found it useful even for myself to bear in mind!

i think you did a great job for your first wedding! :)

[dsc_1972]

First wedding? They are awesome! Love the under-pier shots best but all in all a cracking set. Well done!

[Kiddo]

These look great!! I think that you did an excellent job with them...

[Roperta]

I love #6,7 and 8. I like #5 too, I would love to see a little more of the bride in 5, but the posing and the rest is very good! Well done!

[fridayphunnies]

I don't think Jayspec is having a bad day , think he is always that grumpy. :-) . Sorry Jayspec. Some nice shots , look like a fun day was had.

[dou_b_14]

i really like all of them a lot. Very nice.

[pprice]

I like them. I also like jayspec's C&C. I may not agree with it, but if I had posted the pictures, I would like someone to be honest and shoot strait with me :) .

[BJWOK]

thanks guys.

yep, i agree with pprice, i am not having a dig at jayspec, i have learnt from his comments. that was why i posted in the first place: to learn. thanks for all the comments folks :)

[ejicon]

I really like the look and feel of #6

[Tomi Hawk]

Wow Jayspec .. pretty harsh on the subject of the beer bottle on the 5th image?
I too always think it's a great idea to put down beverages, however, in this case it works!

I think he did a great job for his first ever wedding .. matter a fact, the image in question
sorta has an HDR look to it. That's also a + for this shot .. I thnk for what it is .. it worked great!

Lighten up on the guy lol .. I'm sure your first wedding was nominated by WPPI for all kinds of awards!
Then again ............. perhaps not. Using all caps is not something taken lightly either!

Geeesh .. I think you did a great job BJWOK .. for your first ever attempt.

[BJWOK]

thanks tomi!

i think the more concerning thing about jays original post is that he has no link to his work/portfolio for anyone to compare his talk to his walk.

jay? you got a link mate?

thanks again tomi :)

[Gix]

All very nice. Well Done, I'm sure the B&G will love them.

[collierportraits]

I didn't have a problem with Jayspec's comments. I did have a problem with the tone of his comments. I agree with most of what he said, but often it's not what you say, but how you say it... BJ, have you ticked him off somehow before this? Jay, try to abide by this one: "It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice." (I think that one is attributed to Archie Manning)

In defense of Jay, I think most of us will agree that there is a lot of mediocre work on here that is lauded as wonderful or nice, when perhaps the truth would serve us better. Now, on to the images. (Sorry, had to say all that)

Biggest complaint that I have with these images is that you need to watch your compositions much more closely. You have a lot of horizons cutting through heads and such. Not crazy about the angles on the first two either. Actually love the PP on #5, and with a bit less foreground, more background and no sailboats running into heads, it would be a great! shot. As it is, the couple will probably really like these images and they are your real critics. Hopefully, however, some of these constructive critiques will be helpful and hold you accountable for making improvements! Keep posting... (and I don't post near enough of my own work! :lol: )

Overall, great job - for your first wedding. If you were a seasoned pro, I would expect that you wouldn't make some of these glaring errors. But good job and as I said keep it up! ;)

[USER876]

very nice, what post processing did you do to the last 3 to obtain that look?

[H2Ohta]

I think you did a great job!!!

By the way, I just did a search of Collierportraits posts and Jayspecs posts. Why is that you both post less than mediocre photos (3 posts combined) yet feel the need to tell everyone how it is? None of the photos that you have posted even come close to the photos that you comment on. If you don't believe me do your own search. Beach shots? Jayspec portraits? Maybe you guys should take some of your own advice.

[BJWOK]

collier i have not ticked him off, never spoke to him before, never posted on his threads, never seen any of his work.

thanks for the comments regarding horizons. i'm here to learn and every bit helps!

thanks user, the pp on the last three was a variation of the boon doogle preset for lightroom.

the h2o, interesting points!

[collierportraits]

By the way, I just did a search of Collierportraits posts and Jayspecs posts. Why is that you both post less than mediocre photos (3 posts combined) yet feel the need to tell everyone how it is? None of the photos that you have posted even come close to the photos that you comment on. If you don't believe me do your own search. Beach shots? Jayspec portraits? Maybe you guys should take some of your own advice.

:D Ok, well, I had something of the same thought myself tonight as I don't really ever post any of my professional work. So I'm guilty as charged based on what you've seen. I did just post some traditional environmental work in People and I would ask that you go look at that. I will try to continue to post some more so that your opinion of me won't be so low... :oops:

We all grow by listening to criticism and taking the good and occasionally need to leave the bad. H2O, if you were wanting to learn, you would be learning from Jayspecs comments. His tone was terrible, I admit, but the advice was spot on. No need to shoot the messenger... ;)

I would also like to say that I don't "feel the need to tell everyone how it is" What I do is try to post constructive comments without saying things like, Great work! Neat image! and that's all. Those comments help NO ONE. So if you don't like my particular comments, well then when you see my name, just skip 'em. ;) But to all the other posters out there, please give me detailed C&C as that is the most helpful, even when I disagree with you.

[H2Ohta]

I do learn from what people post but I am a visual learner so many times I learn more by seeing others photos. I learned from BJWOK's photos and I appreciate his posting of the photos but I don't think that I am in any place to give him pointers on his technique. Don't tell me how good you are, show me!!!

[BJWOK]

couldn't have said it better collier!

now lets all get back to learning to love, lovin' to learn... :)

hey collier just a thought, how about a link to your portfolio as your sig? same for jay?

[collierportraits]

Well, in an effort to be quieter, a link to my small website is listed if you click on my profile, but not in my sig. AND, H20: you have motivated me to get off my butt and post some of my work! :D (And I thank you for that!)

It's been a long time since anyone accused me of producing "less than mediocre" work (:lol: ouch!), so I've just posted two portraits. One a Bridal Portrait (in Weddings) and the other a Family Portrait (In People). I'll try to post more, and I would love for all of you to comment on them (H20, you have to now! ;) ) AND, if you think it's terrible work, then just let me know that! BUT, you have to tell me why, ok? Deal?

[1shot4u]

All the shots I like...but really like #1, #2 and #4 the best...thanks for sharing.

[_aravena]

Actually, if Mr Intelligent in the beginning saw that they weren't looking at you in those poses therefore making much more sense with you being a fly on the wall. This is probably why you're successful and they're not. Deliver to the person buying, not the strangers just there to critique your style because they're jealous.

[ANDS!]

For a first wedding, I would say it delivers on what you would expect. #6 and #8 are ridiculously awesome.

[MarkAnthonyPhotography]

I think these are damn good for a "1st try" as you put it. It's a hella lot better than my 1st wedding!! As for the "comments" made by some, I don't believe there is a "right" or "wrong" way to photograph. Which is why I love this "trade". I don't think wedding photography is an "art" as more of a "skill". People book photogs based on their previous work which is a testament to their "style". Everyone's style is different. As long as your clients are happy and wowed you'll stay busy. Awards and accolades are nice, but your clients will make you successful. Just my 1 cents....sorry times are hard and I have to keep the other cent. ;)

[BJWOK]

ha! i need that other cent man!! c'mon!!

but seriously, i agree with your comments. my client was thrilled on the results, and that was my aim.

in the time since i posted this thread i also posted these photos on my facebook. i have already been booked by a old work colleague to fly to syd to shoot her wedding! and, i quoted a substantially larger fee than this one (due to the flight between syd/adelaide). While my main gig is live event photography, i am thrilled she loved my work enough to book an interstate photog!

[_Jo_]

I love them all! I love that they are unique and I love your style!

If we all "conformed" where would we be??

Great stuff!! Awesome PP!!

[collierportraits]

Wow. That's awesome news! Great job, man! What Mark said is true. Accolades from other photographers is nice and technically great images are great but your clients are the real measure...

[lisamgunderson]

I think your work is nice, quite lively and it gives an original feel- there not boring to say the least. I agree I am not fond of the sharp angles in #7 and #8 but the photos are nice regardless. I have seen JaySpec do alot of criticizing others photos but have not yet seen an example of his work. That would be interesting to see - to me it sounds like he shoots his photos in a glass house. Some people are just never happy, but you should be happy with your work because it is pleasing to the eye. When doing wedding or portraits for hire the most important person(s) to please is the one who pays for the print. If they wanted a fly on the wall type of feel to the photos that is up to them. I personally see more photo journalism with these prints rather than traditional composition and for some tastes that is good. I also like the coloring you have done in PP- it gives a unique feel to the prints.

[BJWOK]

thanks lisa, i agree with everything you have said, especially the part about seeing some of jayspecs work. he seems to know what he is talking about, so why would he hold back if his work is that good!

[veteq]

Jayspec, would you mind posting a link to your site?


bjwork, I really enjoyed your pictures, keep up the good work.

[BJWOK]

thanks veteq :)

interestingly i just got home from my first paid nightclub gig. got some amazing pics, and also got two numbers! and got paid to do it! LOVIN IT!!!

[twistedinsight]

Wow, I wish I knew everything about ...well, everything.

Man, these are seriously some amazing shots. They asked for fly on the wall, you gave it to them. One day when I decide to get married, I would be over happy w/ pictures such as these.

bravo bud

1. Insufficient separation between bride and rest of party. Unflattering "up the nose" angle. Tonal merger with her hair and the lady behind her. Her arm is cut off by what appears to be a book.

2. Much better, but I'm still not a fan of the angle. Perhaps I'd like it in a series if there was a similarly executed shot of the bride.

3. Perfectly good ring shot ruined by whatever crap was between you and the hands.

4. Nice, but not particularly compelling. I'd like to see more of his face. Perhaps you can ask him to look up at you?

5. Put down the damned beer bottle! Are you in charge of your shots or not? If you see some shlub who can't be bothered to put down his libations for two seconds while taking wedding photographs, TELL HIM TO PUT IT DOWN! Also don't like the boats coming out of Mr. Beery's head, or the rowboat behind everyone. The boy in front and woman behind seem to be at some odd angles.

6. I'll allow the drink in this one, since it works with the image. Don't like the at-the-knees crop. And those two people (or whatever) on his shoulders need to go.

7. Disturbing angle for a multi-person formals shot. I could live with the "severe artificial angle" or the "fun group portrait" but not both in the same shot.

8. The (less severe) angle of this one works much better. (Still not my cup of tea, but it does make an interesting composition.) Best of the bunch. (And you agree, which is why you put it last.)

[BJWOK]

thanks for the nice words twisted :)

book me for your wedding? lol :)

[Bartek]

Damn. How is anyone supposed to take you seriously? Learn to give criticism properly, then come and post here. :confused: I would never take in anything you said the way you wrote your comments there.

After reading your signature jayspec...
"I am not my gear. I hate the word "bokeh." Photography is an art: BE AN ARTIST!"

I think you are being a little bit of a hypocrite.


Back on topic! Great 1st wedding dude, I'm digging the group shot on the beach! And I loooove the shots under the pier!!! I'm not a big fan of the "half desaturated" processing look though (ie: 04)

-Bartek

1. Insufficient separation between bride and rest of party. Unflattering "up the nose" angle. Tonal merger with her hair and the lady behind her. Her arm is cut off by what appears to be a book.

2. Much better, but I'm still not a fan of the angle. Perhaps I'd like it in a series if there was a similarly executed shot of the bride.

3. Perfectly good ring shot ruined by whatever crap was between you and the hands.

4. Nice, but not particularly compelling. I'd like to see more of his face. Perhaps you can ask him to look up at you?

5. Put down the damned beer bottle! Are you in charge of your shots or not? If you see some shlub who can't be bothered to put down his libations for two seconds while taking wedding photographs, TELL HIM TO PUT IT DOWN! Also don't like the boats coming out of Mr. Beery's head, or the rowboat behind everyone. The boy in front and woman behind seem to be at some odd angles.

6. I'll allow the drink in this one, since it works with the image. Don't like the at-the-knees crop. And those two people (or whatever) on his shoulders need to go.

7. Disturbing angle for a multi-person formals shot. I could live with the "severe artificial angle" or the "fun group portrait" but not both in the same shot.

8. The (less severe) angle of this one works much better. (Still not my cup of tea, but it does make an interesting composition.) Best of the bunch. (And you agree, which is why you put it last.)

[g-money]

thanks for the nice words twisted :)

book me for your wedding? lol :)

Dang, lost another client to BJWOK

Nice stuff you posted here and since they were thrilled that is icing on the cake. Critiques are nice when given in the right manner. You can nit pick every single picture anyone posts, but just because something technically isn't to ones likeing does not make them bad shots, you done well. Look forward to more.....but now I am scared to post my most recent wedding in fear of a Jayspec slapdown ;) Ahhh, bring it on

Greg

[jayspec]

but now I am scared to post my most recent wedding in fear of a Jayspec slapdown

Why on earth would you be scared of such a thing? If your photos are awesome, then they're awesome and everyone will praise you. If they're mediocre or they suck, and I give my opinion as to why, everyone will monkey-pile on me for not blowing smoke up your skirt. Seems like a win-win to me.

[Karl Johnston]

I really like these photos, for your first wedding their very well composed and executed. I don't like the processing in the last three, though, but to each their own. I see I'm not the only one who thinks J's annoying, I'm curious to what he's saying now but since I put him on ignore he strikes me as just a jealous troll.

Some of his advice isn't bad, but damn homey take it easy with the tone!! Critique is one thing but it should be backed up with info that makes sense...and some of his info just...doesn't make any sense :lol:

[Bartek]

Why on earth would you be scared of such a thing? If your photos are awesome, then they're awesome and everyone will praise you. If they're mediocre or they suck, and I give my opinion as to why, everyone will monkey-pile on me for not blowing smoke up your skirt. Seems like a win-win to me.

You're completely not getting the point! You very well know it's not about you not blowing smoke up anyone's skirt...

Your comments may BE completely valid...it's the way you gave your criticism that's the problem. So please don't play dumb...you know exactly what everyone's problem is with you.

[BJWOK]

jay, start post some of your work or shut your mouth. simple.

[Bartek]

jay, start post some of your work or shut your mouth. simple.

BOOM! ;)

I wasn't going to say anything...but jay...maybe, MAAAYBE if you were a reaaaaaly good, well known, popular, photographer, and if you still criticised the way you do, maaaaybe people wouldn't mind your tone...but. well... you get the idea.

[g-money]

Why on earth would you be scared of such a thing? If your photos are awesome, then they're awesome and everyone will praise you. If they're mediocre or they suck, and I give my opinion as to why, everyone will monkey-pile on me for not blowing smoke up your skirt. Seems like a win-win to me.

LOL, No I have broad shoulders and can take any critique you give as long as it is in good spirt and presented in a helpful manner. I smoke enough for both of us so no need to blow it my way.

I know I am not on the level as many wedding photogs here and can learn from their critiques. What I still don't know is anything about your work, as I have yet to see a series of images, wedding or other wise posted from you. So I don't know whether to take your critiques to heart and learn from them or consider you just another average photographer that likes to rip every photo in a less than spirited manner to make himself feel good. So I say post'em up brother and lets give it a go and see your work. I am sure they are great without flaws. ;) Balls in your court.

As for everyone jumping on you....Well I think if the intent was not meant to be mean spirited it sure came across that way. Not only in this post but in other critiques from you I have read. However, I do think you truely do mean well and are trying to help.

Greg

[Aikita]

Bartek imho you're one of the top 5 wedding photographers on this forum. Please!!!

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z174/rubberpoultry/dont_feed_the_trolls.jpg

[EOS_JD]

You now have a career on wedding photography :)

[EOS_JD]

jay, start post some of your work or shut your mouth. simple.

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?p=3442048#post3442048

Off topic I know but he did post some images! I can't believe some of the critique he's given to some amazing photographers and then he posts this as an effort?!!!

[BJWOK]

nice find jd! wouldn't mind seeing how he "coaxes" a bride and groom for his wedding photography now...

[EOS_JD]

He has been giving some really off comments to some great togs. I doubt he can take a decent image - probably why these are the only images he's posted.

Sorry he did have a couple of his baby but even those were poor (but cute) snapshots.

Your work is fantastic and if that is a first attempt you will do very well for yourself. Keep up the great work.

[Bartek]

Hahahaha, thank you ;)
You're right....but sometimes I just can't help it....

Bartek imho you're one of the top 5 wedding photographers on this forum. Please!!!

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z174/rubberpoultry/dont_feed_the_trolls.jpg

[Gvilla17]

Very nice shots!

[jayspec]

Some of you seem to be under the impression that I fancy myself to be some kind of hot-shot photographer. I assure you that nothing could be further from the truth. I'm a total hack, but I know what I like. I enjoy commenting on photos when criticism is requested because I feel that learning to actually see what's in the frame makes me a better photographer.

You're free to accept the criticism, tell me where I'm wrong (my preference), or tell me that I'm a stupid git (your preference, apparently).

I will not be posting my own work here for the time being, because, frankly, I just don't think it's good enough yet. If you think I'm hard on other people, I'm doubly hard on myself. If this means that you won't be accepting my criticism, so be it. Please send in your original register receipt for a full refund.

However, EOS_JD, you really should beware of the well you're poisoning here. I'm a big boy, and I can take care of myself. But 99% of the posts in Critique Corner are "My First Blah, C&C Requested." How many of those posts will dry up if people knew that these would be thrown back in their face a year and a half later?

[lisamgunderson]

JaySpec- I understand you having your own opinion, but perhaps the way you word your opinion should be better considered before you post it.

For example
"5. Put down the damned beer bottle! Are you in charge of your shots or not? If you see some shlub who can't be bothered to put down his libations for two seconds while taking wedding photographs, TELL HIM TO PUT IT DOWN!"
or
"3. Perfectly good ring shot ruined by whatever crap was between you and the hands."

With the wording you use it is hard not to see you as overly critical and quite rude.

Secondly, I personally am not overly critical of others work because I understand it is an artform and excluding the obvious there are no real rights or wrongs in this artform. Now if the pictures were all blurry or the skin tones were way off- that would be need for some kind criticism in order to offer help to the original poster; however, in this case that is obviously not true.

Third, I assume you have never done a wedding- I can attest to the fact that getting that great award winning shot is not always easy or available to the photographer during the ceremony, and the photos that were posted were obviously not formals. Just what do you suggest the photographer do, scream "wait you are in the way" or "stop everything right now this isnt good composition" right in the middle of the ceremony? Not only would you make their day miserable, there would be no repeat or referred business.
Jayspec I think it is fair to say that when a person asks for an opinion they are not asking to be disected like a frog in science class. You do have the right to your own opinions and your own preferences in photography, but dont be surprised when you make cutting comments that you get cut down yourself.

[lisamgunderson]

Oh and I forgot to add that everyone starts somewhere even you I suspect JaySpec. We come to this site not to boast our own greatness, or boost our egos but to learn from one another after all how else can we improve our own art. Why would anyone who honestly wants to learn post their images on this site if they were to be subjected to people like you Mr JaySpec?

I once hired a photographer who was well known for her equine photo work- she was rude and downright wicked to me as the customer it turned me off so much I couldnt see anything really good in her work. When I started taking pictures for hire I made the decision to make the photo session a fun experience for all involved and to never lose respect for others. Perhaps this means I dont get the great shots sometimes because I dont tell people to put the damned beer bottle down" but I have full understanding who pays for the product that I produce and I am sensible to their wishes and desires. Most people want to be portrayed in a realistic manner that makes them look good at the same time. They arent overly concerned about a way off boat over someones head or an arm being placed in an awkward manner just as long as they look good.

If a "Fly on the wall" wedding was desired by the bride and groom- BJWOK, you were a very effective fly. The more I look at your work the more I really like it.

[BJWOK]

hey guys, i'm not here to coach jay in basic manners, let's just leave the man to his negativity and get on with photography (and discussing wedding photography in particular.) the guy is obviously a twat, lets move on from it and be done with it. you meet all sorts in life...

[harroz]

hahahaha, roflmao!!!!

what a classic thread, and all started by an Aussie! ,too cool

great images BJWOK, especially for your first wedding!

well there you go, now that the "great images mate" is out of the way, let me expand. considering that the bride and groom requested relaxed beach type images you did very well indeed as these depict this. The beer bottle is ok, would've been better if both men had one. I would and have done beer bottles too, then without. it gives them the choice. and bride drinking champers etc. no drama there. and being in Oz it fits even more, not that you're all beer swiggers but you guys do like the odd ale like us kiwis :-)

good creative shooting. well done.

[sunnygirl]

Welcome to a truly "Aussie Casual Wedding" - you would be truly pushed to get anyone at a "get pissed wedding" to put down a beer!! - GOOD LUCK!
Great on the fly shots, I know plenty of people who really desire your kind of photography - I guess it's the relaxed aussie way that some people may not understand.

[EOS_JD]

Some of you seem to be under the impression that I fancy myself to be some kind of hot-shot photographer. I assure you that nothing could be further from the truth. I'm a total hack, but I know what I like. I enjoy commenting on photos when criticism is requested because I feel that learning to actually see what's in the frame makes me a better photographer.

You're free to accept the criticism, tell me where I'm wrong (my preference), or tell me that I'm a stupid git (your preference, apparently).

I will not be posting my own work here for the time being, because, frankly, I just don't think it's good enough yet. If you think I'm hard on other people, I'm doubly hard on myself. If this means that you won't be accepting my criticism, so be it. Please send in your original register receipt for a full refund.




A few points. I've read a few of your words to some very good togs. You are giving opinion on stuff you have neve even done - such as wedding albms!! How can you do tis when yo have ZEROexperience?

You my ejoy what you do but providing information that is quite frankly wrongis not in the best inerests of this forum. Post your own work and learn from that.

However, EOS_JD, you really should beware of the well you're poisoning here. I'm a big boy, and I can take care of myself. But 99% of the posts in Critique Corner are "My First Blah, C&C Requested." How many of those posts will dry up if people knew that these would be thrown back in their face a year and a half later?

I'm not sure I understand ha you are saying here? What well am I poisoning?

I'm not saying don't give critique but you need o be aware of the way you are giving it. People think you are some great tg and knowwhat you are talking about! Yourway o gving "advice" is based on NOTHING!

Let people know your experience and then provide your view ithout being downright rude.

Wedding images are not all perfect. We work with te tools available and in many cases things just happen -you capture the day. We don';t set up every shot.

But you wouldn't know that cause you've never shot a weding.

I apprecite we all have our views and I give mine too. I am not the best photographer in the land but I've posted images for critique ad learned and am better for it.

When I see you badly critique a photographer who has provided an amazing series (like the ones on this thread) that is wha makes me feel strongly enough to post what I have.

PS I just read the other threads after jayspecs and will leave it at that :) I see I'm not the only one who thinks the same.

[jayspec]

A few points. I've read a few of your words to some very good togs. You are giving opinion on stuff you have neve even done - such as wedding albms!! How can you do tis when yo have ZEROexperience?

As much as I did not want to reply to this thread anymore, and as much as I don't feel that my work is ready for criticism, and as much as I certainly would not open my work to criticism of those who have already formed a lynch mob, I can not let stand the untruth that I have never photographed a wedding.

I was primary for this gay wedding:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jayspec/sets/72157610509893217/

I was secondary for this:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jayspec/sets/72157600757826530/

And this:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jayspec/sets/72157601734695770/

And this is an engagement set:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jayspec/sets/72157602325684174/

Are they spectacular? Absolutely not. Were these gigs landed through friends and family and shot for very little money? Absolutely. But have I shot weddings? Yes.

You my ejoy what you do but providing information that is quite frankly wrongis not in the best inerests of this forum. Post your own work and learn from that.

As I have exhorted several times on this God forsaken thread already, if I'm wrong, kindly tell me where I'm wrong.

I'm not sure I understand ha you are saying here? What well am I poisoning?

I don't know how I can say it more plainly. If you were furtively trying out a new technique and wanted feedback on it, would you feel comfortable posting on Critique Corner if you knew, even a year and a half later, no matter how much you'd grown, improved, and changed, that someone could throw it back in your face?

And that is ignoring the snapshot of my kid that I posted on People, home of snapshots of peoples kids, and then harping on me because it's a snapshot of my kid.

I'm not saying don't give critique but you need o be aware of the way you are giving it. People think you are some great tg and knowwhat you are talking about! Yourway o gving "advice" is based on NOTHING!

Let people know your experience and then provide your view ithout being downright rude.

I submit that the ruder one here is you. Am I the only one struck by the irony of a thread in which I'm being attacked for the tone of my criticism, where part of the ammunition for this argument is digging up ages-old images I posted and saying, "Neener neener neener!"

Wedding images are not all perfect. We work with te tools available and in many cases things just happen -you capture the day. We don';t set up every shot.

Absolutely agreed. But just because it's difficult to do without flaws doesn't mean that the flaws aren't there. If you post an image for critique, a proper critic will point out the flaws. That's why wedding photography is hard. A good wedding photographer (and again, I do not posit that I am one) will minimize or eliminate these flaws.

But you wouldn't know that cause you've never shot a weding.

I apprecite we all have our views and I give mine too. I am not the best photographer in the land but I've posted images for critique ad learned and am better for it.

When I see you badly critique a photographer who has provided an amazing series (like the ones on this thread) that is wha makes me feel strongly enough to post what I have.

If I have critiqued badly, please tell me where I have done so. So far, anyone who hasn't resorted to personal attacks hasn't said I was wrong, but took umbrage at my tone.

PS I just read the other threads after jayspecs and will leave it at that :) I see I'm not the only one who thinks the same.

Ah yes. Proof by angry mob.

[ukactionsports]

Well this thread has changed its tune since I last visited it! I though this thread was talking about the OP wedding images and how they wanted some feedback on them!?

[EOS_JD]

As much as I did not want to reply to this thread anymore, and as much as I don't feel that my work is ready for criticism, and as much as I certainly would not open my work to criticism of those who have already formed a lynch mob, I can not let stand the untruth that I have never photographed a wedding.

I was primary for this gay wedding:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jayspec/sets/72157610509893217/

I was secondary for this:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jayspec/sets/72157600757826530/

And this:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jayspec/sets/72157601734695770/

And this is an engagement set:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jayspec/sets/72157602325684174/

Are they spectacular? Absolutely not. Were these gigs landed through friends and family and shot for very little money? Absolutely. But have I shot weddings? Yes.



As I have exhorted several times on this God forsaken thread already, if I'm wrong, kindly tell me where I'm wrong.



I don't know how I can say it more plainly. If you were furtively trying out a new technique and wanted feedback on it, would you feel comfortable posting on Critique Corner if you knew, even a year and a half later, no matter how much you'd grown, improved, and changed, that someone could throw it back in your face?

And that is ignoring the snapshot of my kid that I posted on People, home of snapshots of peoples kids, and then harping on me because it's a snapshot of my kid.



I submit that the ruder one here is you. Am I the only one struck by the irony of a thread in which I'm being attacked for the tone of my criticism, where part of the ammunition for this argument is digging up ages-old images I posted and saying, "Neener neener neener!"



Absolutely agreed. But just because it's difficult to do without flaws doesn't mean that the flaws aren't there. If you post an image for critique, a proper critic will point out the flaws. That's why wedding photography is hard. A good wedding photographer (and again, I do not posit that I am one) will minimize or eliminate these flaws.



If I have critiqued badly, please tell me where I have done so. So far, anyone who hasn't resorted to personal attacks hasn't said I was wrong, but took umbrage at my tone.

[b]

Ah yes. Proof by angry mob.

I guess you are right and the rest of us are wrong. I'll bow out without making more of this.

[EOS_JD]

Well this thread has changed its tune since I last visited it! I though this thread was talking about the OP wedding images and how they wanted some feedback on them!?

Yes you're right - And they are excellent.

[BJWOK]

thanks for your post jay.

what i find interesting is that when pushed enough (seemingly out of self defense only) you can actually proposition a good debate.

some of the pics on your flickr are impressive to say the least. case in point: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jayspec/1520155805/in/set-72157602325684174/ perhaps instead of underselling yourself to everyone here by reminding us constantly how "amateur" you are and the fact your pics are not up to scratch: "Are they spectacular? Absolutely not" you should believe in your ability, present your pics here for critique, alter your tone and approach and learn from the skills of many equally skilled photogs gathered here.

isn't that why we are ALL here on this site?

if you want to fight, take up boxing or go skateboarding, or learn ice hockey or cow tipping or become a taxi driver or something.

[EOS_JD]

thanks for your post jay.

what i find interesting is that when pushed enough (seemingly out of self defense only) you can actually proposition a good debate.

some of the pics on your flickr are impressive to say the least. case in point: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jayspec/1520155805/in/set-72157602325684174/ perhaps instead of underselling yourself to everyone here by reminding us constantly how "amateur" you are and the fact your pics are not up to scratch: "Are they spectacular? Absolutely not" you should believe in your ability, present your pics here for critique, alter your tone and approach and learn from the skills of many equally skilled photogs gathered here.

isn't that why we are ALL here on this site?

if you want to fight, take up boxing or go skateboarding, or learn ice hockey or cow tipping or become a taxi driver or something.

I had a wee look at the flickr site too and I agree with you. I was pleasantly surprised :) Many of jay's images of the gay wedding in particular I thought were very (VERY) good.

Maybe I was a bit tough and bringing up old things was a little unfair. I hope Jay would accept an apology for me being unfair although as said above maybe if he toned the words down a little he'd not get the provoked reaction :)

Anyway I bowed out yesterday :)

Cheers
JD

[_Jo_]

Nice images don't make for a nice attitude.

[_Jo_]

thanks guys.

just a side note: i did provide both processed and "regular" versions of all 190+ pics. the client can then choose which is worthy of printing.

ukactionsports, the pp in the number 05 is actually a free lightroom preset called boon doggle. all done in lightroom, only a final levels adjustment/sharpen in PP. :)

I love the look of the preset (boon doggle) but can't find it to download on Mac - just through torrents in Windows?

Would you mind clicking the preset on in LR and posting the settings used?

If you can -this would be appreciated!!

[BJWOK]

no worries man, will do it now (what a great idea too!)

[_Jo_]

no worries man, will do it now (what a great idea too!)

cheers :)

[BJWOK]

ok so once you've hit boon doogle2 here is what happens to the sliders in develop mode (in lightroom 1.3)

(these are individual screen dumps of each section from top down)

[BJWOK]

next is HSL & Detail

"split toning" does not change (hence no screen dump)

[BJWOK]

and finally lens correction

(camera calibration does not change)

[BJWOK]

and that's it folks :)

my workflow from lightroom is to hit this preset, then alter from these settings dependent on the image in question.

i then export to tiff with no compression, open in photoshop, perform levels adjustment, noise reduction (if needed) and sharpen.

that's pretty much it. :)

[_Jo_]

fantastic!!

Many thanks for this!

[BJWOK]

oh yeah, anyone using this is using it on the condition they post their results!! haha! :)

[BJWOK]

no worries jo :) give my love to your country - i fell in love with the south island when i lived there in 2000 and have missed it ever since.

[_Jo_]

#1 try

[BrianMC]

Wow, I just stumbled on this thread :shock: A lot of words were exchanged ...

I think you did a great job on your first wedding :):)

[_Jo_]

I like this:

[USER876]

and that's it folks :)

my workflow from lightroom is to hit this preset, then alter from these settings dependent on the image in question.

i then export to tiff with no compression, open in photoshop, perform levels adjustment, noise reduction (if needed) and sharpen.

that's pretty much it. :)

Why don't you sharpen in Lightroom?

[BJWOK]

nice first work jo :) try lowering the exposure and upping contrast a tad more i think.

cheers brian, lots of words were said!

user, i have a action that i run to sharpen, save and close my images, it's just quicker in photoshop for me :)

[_Jo_]

ok - just some quick adjusting - better?

[BJWOK]

hell yeah!! that is looking great!! how good is that preset?!!!

[_Jo_]

one more....

[_Jo_]

hell yeah!! that is looking great!! how good is that preset?!!!

When tweaked to suit each image - I love it!

Thanks again :)

[BJWOK]

no probs! watch the exposure/brightness on that last one... ;)

[_Jo_]

Not sure why I ended up with such a green tinge...lol...but another edit

[BJWOK]

looking better with that one.

hey can you try it with the last pic on the top line of your "photos" page on your site? the one with the blue sky and the couple infront of the hill?

would like to see it but maybe with a tighter crop?

[_Jo_]

This one?

[razyl]

jay, start post some of your work or shut your mouth. simple.

Quite a thread.

For the record, I dont agree with the tone of the original comments from jayspec, but I completely disagree with the above sentiment. Why does anyone have to have work online (be it good, bad, or otherwise) in order to offer the CC you asked for by posting photos in the sharing section??!

It seems to be a common theme on this forum that people are only willing to accept criticism from posters with 'better' photos..... that's a very childish mentality. Obviously everyone (regardles of skill) is entitled to an opinion, if you dont want to hear it then dont post.

Darryn

[_Jo_]

I love what it does to the skin - especially in harsh sunlight. I do have to alter each pic, eg; the one above I adjusted exposure, saturation, temp & tint...

[BJWOK]

yeah i have never left it at the "default" settings ever, looks like you are getting it sussed nicely :)

razyl, if anyone is going to provide criticism on any subject (in this case photography) you would like that person to be coming from a knowledgeable background with some proof of that knowledge (in this case, examples of the similar work he/she is offering criticism on).

i'm not "only accepting pointers from those with better (that's a subjective word anyway) photos than me", however I will never take ANY pointers/criticism from someone who cannot show me they have the proof they know what they are talking about: in this example jay.

i'm here to learn, but i am not here to train a person with poor manners.

would you take advice from a doctor with no credentials?

[razyl]

razyl, if anyone is going to provide criticism on any subject (in this case photography) you would like that person to be coming from a knowledgeable background with some proof of that knowledge (in this case, examples of the similar work he/she is offering criticism on).

i'm not "only accepting pointers from those with better (that's a subjective word anyway) photos than me", however I will never take ANY pointers/criticism from someone who cannot show me they have the proof they know what they are talking about: in this example jay.

would you take advice from a doctor with no credentials?

You dont need credentials or qualifications to make a post in a public forum such as this. And remember, when it comes to art, everyone is a critic (whether you like it or not).

It sounds like you post to get into arguments as well as get some CC. If you get comments from someone you feel is inferior to you then I suggest you just let it slide.

[BJWOK]

mate, i have let it slide quite a number of posts back. you've brought it back up again (for whatever reason)

and no, you don't need credentials or qualifications to post here, but if you want to be taken seriously by fellow photographers it would be handy/helpful to showcase your work.

i post here to learn champ, that's it. you think i want to argue with someone on the internet?

[_Jo_]

A couple more (I photographed my sisters wedding AND was bridesmaid lol):

[Karl Johnston]

BJ, you're a good photographer but seriously, you make yourself out to be an idiot in this thread when you're actually not.

Laugh a little, let things slide. Don't call people out if you don't want to play. :lol: "Champ"

I really like those two shots above me, but man do I really not like the processing, sorry.

[_Jo_]

back to topic guys...this is fun!!

[_Jo_]

*wow* check this one out:

[BJWOK]

not sure about your post kajuah, how i make "myself out to be an idiot" is a little confusing.

either way, i'm not on here to argue, i'm here to learn.

[BJWOK]

jo, you didn't attach it! lol!

[_Jo_]

oops...lol

[_Jo_]

I'm standing on the Grooms left - my daughter is just above me. Gotta love the tripod! lol

[_Jo_]

damn that's a good preset to play with...I'm off to play play play...cheers.

[SOK]

Ha ha.

This thread has spiced up my lunch break!!

BJWOK; I see you're from Adelaide (can't help bad luck I suppose :mrgreen::p), but your shots from waaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyy back on Page 1 make me wonder if the wedding was on the Gold Coast in Queensland? The shots under the jetty/pier are very reminiscent of the sand pumping jetting on the Gold Coast spit....

Anyway - I like your shots. I think you did a top job for your first go. It's just a shame the relevance of some of the C&C has been overshadowed by the bickering. Then again...it has been entertaining!

Look forward to seeing how your next one goes.

[CanonLaw]

Sorry, just had to post this. I think Tim was the King of Blunt, but at least he has good work to back it up and knows what he is talking about. I now think that JaySpec has taken the title from Tim, but JaySpec needs to post some of his own stuff or stop talking. If you are really trying to inform people, and you want them to learn from your suggestions, then change your tone.

And about the beer bottle.....IF THE COUPLE WANTS THE BEER BOTTLE IN THEIR HANDS DURING THE PICTURE, THAT IS THEIR CHOICE! AND THEY WOULD PROBABLY BE ANNOYED IF THEY WERE TOLD TO PUT IT DOWN.

Doing weddings is more than just technical perfection, if takes people skills too. If you are a dick to people and boss them around to the point of them being uncomfortable, then that will show through in your pictures and you won't get a reference from them.

Good day sir.

[mjvincent]

1. Insufficient separation between bride and rest of party. Unflattering "up the nose" angle. Tonal merger with her hair and the lady behind her. Her arm is cut off by what appears to be a book.

2. Much better, but I'm still not a fan of the angle. Perhaps I'd like it in a series if there was a similarly executed shot of the bride.

3. Perfectly good ring shot ruined by whatever crap was between you and the hands.

4. Nice, but not particularly compelling. I'd like to see more of his face. Perhaps you can ask him to look up at you?

5. Put down the damned beer bottle! Are you in charge of your shots or not? If you see some shlub who can't be bothered to put down his libations for two seconds while taking wedding photographs, TELL HIM TO PUT IT DOWN! Also don't like the boats coming out of Mr. Beery's head, or the rowboat behind everyone. The boy in front and woman behind seem to be at some odd angles.

6. I'll allow the drink in this one, since it works with the image. Don't like the at-the-knees crop. And those two people (or whatever) on his shoulders need to go.

7. Disturbing angle for a multi-person formals shot. I could live with the "severe artificial angle" or the "fun group portrait" but not both in the same shot.

8. The (less severe) angle of this one works much better. (Still not my cup of tea, but it does make an interesting composition.) Best of the bunch. (And you agree, which is why you put it last.)



Very interesting, not wanting to sound like a troll, but this guy Jay hasnt posted any of his images since 09.07 (not that it matters). But I feel that he is being harsh.

For your first wedding I feel you've done great! It isn't a 'formal' wedding feel which is exactly what your bride wanted...

Well done... Jay you need to get some coffee or something man... too harsh in your C&C. Especially your second comments.

[mjvincent]

Here are a few from my first wedding... (boy was I nervous, I even forgot and left my ISO at 1600 with my 40 D on some shots where 400 would have worked fine).

1

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3130/2878236793_508d66918e_b.jpg

2

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3285/2913236070_5b3a8c68d8_b.jpg

3

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3172/2929262646_08530da6da_b.jpg

First weddings are exciting... Can't wait to take the Canon 5d MKII for a spin...

[lisamgunderson]

Great Job Mike, your first wedding huh! could have fooled me they look great!

[Stan43]

Wow! quite a lot of lively conversation ,which is a good thing. My takeaways: First I think you did a good job for your first wedding. If you continue to get better you'll have a nice future in this "Art". Secondly it's good to check backgrounds thoroughly, beer bottles don't usually belong in a picture, carefull with overdoing the angles and post processing is a personal thing. lastly I would ask if the couple enjoyed the pictures and got what they wanted from you. If so you can learn from the experience and the critique and still give yourself a pat on the back.. well done.

[mjvincent]

Great Job Mike, your first wedding huh! could have fooled me they look great!


Thank you Lisa, I learned from a pro here in Waxahachie. I was very nervous though!

[siejoka]

Haha, this thread is hillarious. Jayspec, I feel reall sorry for you..

It's so sad to see someone with less competence nit-picking someone who's above and beyond himself. It's like myself talking down Bartek's photographs, ain't gonna happen. Some people need more self-awareness before they start yapping..

Bartek, I'm a fan of your works btw, great great work!

[Jeremy Winterberg]

I didn't take the time to read the whole thread, I only got through page 5 and had to stop because I was getting a little frustrated.

Jay, when people ask for criticism. They want constructive criticism not harsh you did this wrong you should go kill yourself criticism (exaggerating of course).

You must be tactful towards everyone. If I was going to consider you for a photographer for my wedding, or event or anything like that.

All it would take is one search on google and I could find all of these nasty posts from you, giving me the impression that you are not professional about your work, nor are you polite. Its like your the bridezilla of photographers ... Photograzilla?

just my $0.02... dont yell at me.

oh yeah and on the internet CAPS MEANS YOU'RE YELLING AND THAT MAKES YOU SEEM LIKE YOU'RE IN A VERY BAD MOOD AND MAD AT SOMEONE... just in case you didn't know.

OP: great job on the photos. I love the Fly on the Wall technique and might suggest it to my laid back customers that want me to shoot their weddings.

[BJWOK]

thanks jeremy. you speak the words nearly everyone in this thread has thought (all of course jay!)

[Gnhntn]

I like them, but I do have to agree that the beer should not be in photo #5, but if that is what the wedding party wanted then I say go for it. Other then that I think they are all great.

[origamione]

I think this got to be the best thread thus far.

BJWOK, fantastic photographs despite being your first doing wedding shoot.

Jayspec has valid points, i agree most of his comments but could have done it a nicer tone.

Cheers.

[BJWOK]

thanks guys. yeah this thread is a good one.

hey jay, been shooting much lately champ? post a thread?

[collierportraits]

Children. Back to your rooms. :rolleyes:

[BJWOK]

actually it was a genuine question. he's been pretty quiet of late and i am hoping he is still shooting?

[collierportraits]

Ok, well it sounded a bit childish. (after all, you called him 'champ'...) I retract then. He got slammed on here enough, I would imagine he's staying away.

[BJWOK]

nah, "champ" is just the same as "buddy", "pal" or "mate". it's colloquialism often used in australia as a term of endearment. no harm intended :)

[skysi]

Bull. Barely a single criticism stems from your "fly on the wall" coverage. Yes, perhaps actually asking someone to put down that bottle of beer is participating rather than observing. But being a fly on the wall doesn't prevent you from judiciously choosing your angles, or examining your backgrounds before you shoot.

And am I to believe that you just randomly found these people in these particular positions on the beach and under a dock? What an odd grouping to randomly happen! Or is it perhaps true that you actually directed these people to stand in these positions? In which case, you're not a fly on the wall but rather a fly sitting in a director's chair with a bullhorn. So while you're shouting into this bullhorn like the director you are, perhaps you should take a moment and tell the guy TO PUT HIS DAMN BEER AWAY!
__________________
I am not my gear. I hate the word "bokeh." Photography is an art: BE AN ARTIST!
jayspec is offline Report inappropriate post or spam Reply With Quote




Your criticism smacks of jealousy. Show me something you've done that good.
I only agree with people sticking out of the shoulders and a boat sticking out of the head. Poses are great, bear bottle or not. Processing is great, too.
Get a grip of yourself, man.

[skysi]

nah, "champ" is just the same as "buddy", "pal" or "mate". it's colloquialism often used in australia as a term of endearment. no harm intended :)

Great work, man! I can't believe it's your first wedding, though :D

[BJWOK]

???

goodness gracious me.

[Ziffle]

Ok, well it sounded a bit childish. (after all, you called him 'champ'...) I retract then. He got slammed on here enough, I would imagine he's staying away.

I would add this is a world wide forum (literally) - so 'champ' spoken w/ an Australian accent may be cool in your corner of the world but lets not assume its cool in Egypt or Israel or southern US or Japan .....

just my 2 cents .... interesting wedding shots. like the pp.
going to give it a try. :cool:

Later,
_Mark

[BJWOK]

so what, we all have to speak exactly the same dialect?

no, we can see how it's done in other parts of the world, maybe get a laugh out of it and go away having learnt something.

[Ziffle]

no, we can see how it's done in other parts of the world, maybe get a laugh out of it and go away having learnt something.


+1 ..... that my mode of operation......

[mandercruso]

I think these are more than fantastic for your first wedding. I love the journalistic feel to them and the PP is great. The most important thing is... did your clients love them? I bet they did!

[shutterbugcrazy]

Bull. Barely a single criticism stems from your "fly on the wall" coverage. Yes, perhaps actually asking someone to put down that bottle of beer is participating rather than observing. But being a fly on the wall doesn't prevent you from judiciously choosing your angles, or examining your backgrounds before you shoot.

And am I to believe that you just randomly found these people in these particular positions on the beach and under a dock? What an odd grouping to randomly happen! Or is it perhaps true that you actually directed these people to stand in these positions? In which case, you're not a fly on the wall but rather a fly sitting in a director's chair with a bullhorn. So while you're shouting into this bullhorn like the director you are, perhaps you should take a moment and tell the guy TO PUT HIS DAMN BEER AWAY!

wow quit bustin the guys balls.. I'm sure he did what was asked by his clients and I'm quite sure they were well satisfied. Do this more often "hummmmmmmm hummmmmmmm" and maybe you won't have a heart attack some day.

[jhcanon]

FFS surely if you do what the client asks and they are happy with it that's the important part?! Yeah it's good to want to develop your skills and technique but let's keep it in perspective

[Stephanie Miller]

I personally like the beer in hand, just shows everyone is relaxed and having a wonderful time on this special day, all weddings don't need to be "all panties in a wad" kind of day, let loose and have some fun, love the angles you shot here...good job and this is just my opinion

[BJWOK]

thanks to the last 4 posts, you guys are on it.

next wedding coming up in about 3 months for me, in the next few weeks i will be scouting the areas the client wants to shoot in to get a feel for them. hopefully the results i get will better these ones :)

[maytay20]

I think you did great! And really the only thing that matter is that the client is happy, not what any of us think. LOL

[Jeremy Winterberg]

I was just on your website looking at these wedding pictures. On there you have a heart drawn in the sand, thats not on here... That picture is really nice! I like the treatment you gave it in PP. A little blue for my taste, but its good.

[BJWOK]

thanks jeremy :) yeah that silly rule where you can only post 8 pics stopped me from posting the 9th. (what's with that rule anyway?!!)

here's the pic anyway:

09. http://www.bjwok.com/photos/weddings/rhiannondave/rhiannondave09.jpg

[Ziffle]

thanks jeremy :) yeah that silly rule where you can only post 8 pics stopped me from posting the 9th. (what's with that rule anyway?!!)

here's the pic anyway:

09. http://www.bjwok.com/photos/weddings/rhiannondave/rhiannondave09.jpg

......nice grab. no pun intended.

[BJWOK]

lol!

[sasadear]

so romance,so lovely photos
so merry

[Papa Carlo]

1. Insufficient separation between bride and rest of party. Unflattering "up the nose" angle. Tonal merger with her hair and the lady behind her. Her arm is cut off by what appears to be a book.

2. Much better, but I'm still not a fan of the angle. Perhaps I'd like it in a series if there was a similarly executed shot of the bride.

3. Perfectly good ring shot ruined by whatever crap was between you and the hands.

4. Nice, but not particularly compelling. I'd like to see more of his face. Perhaps you can ask him to look up at you?

5. Put down the damned beer bottle! Are you in charge of your shots or not? If you see some shlub who can't be bothered to put down his libations for two seconds while taking wedding photographs, TELL HIM TO PUT IT DOWN! Also don't like the boats coming out of Mr. Beery's head, or the rowboat behind everyone. The boy in front and woman behind seem to be at some odd angles.

6. I'll allow the drink in this one, since it works with the image. Don't like the at-the-knees crop. And those two people (or whatever) on his shoulders need to go.

7. Disturbing angle for a multi-person formals shot. I could live with the "severe artificial angle" or the "fun group portrait" but not both in the same shot.

8. The (less severe) angle of this one works much better. (Still not my cup of tea, but it does make an interesting composition.) Best of the bunch. (And you agree, which is why you put it last.)
Most points absolute noncense.
For example this one:
3. Perfectly good ring shot ruined by whatever crap was between you and the hands.

Did you happen to notice that the whot without that 'crap' would look much worse ?

[Jeremy Winterberg]

Did you happen to notice that the whot without that 'crap' would look much worse ?

Also, you have to think about the situation that the photographer was in. That might've been the only shot he was able to get. Its better to get something than nothing, ESPECIALLY when it comes to weddings.