8x10 Paper....A Myth??

[Feihung08]

If 8x10 is such the photographic standard, why the heck can't you buy photo paper pre cut to that size?? Has anyone ever tried to fit a "Letter" sized print, like most good printers are happy to do even in full border less, into an 8x10 frame?!?! Is this just weird? I don't see ANY 8½x11 sized frames at Target?? Or even at Aaron Brothers for crying out loud!

So I would even be happy just printing an 8x10 print to 8½x11 paper and trimming the borders off......but I can't even do that! It either stretches out to the full width/height or makes it even smaller than 8x10! What gives??

Anyone got any tips on printing an ACTUAL 8x10 sized print that I can slip right into any 8x10 frame or Art Portfolio??

I have Photoshop CS, Picasa 2, Canon Photorecord, Canon Easy-Photoprint, and lots of other software to print from, but there's nothing that accommodates actual 8x10!!

Thanks all! Hope I don't sound like I'm whining!! (even though I am a bit! ;))

[ohenry]

Most pictures look better matted, so a 8.5X11 print would be fit nicely in a 11X14 frame after it's matted.

[Feihung08]

Most pictures look better matted, so a 8.5X11 print would be fit nicely in a 11X14 frame after it's matted.

Ah, very true!
But I really want to put together an Art Portoflio of my own prints, plus some 8x10's I have from film......which I still do A LOT of!

[dicky109]

I don't see ANY 8½x11 sized frames at Target?? Or even at Aaron Brothers for crying out loud!
I usually use cheap frames and I've not had a problem finding 8 1/2 x 11 frames at many stores, Walmart, Kohls, even Dollartree.
So I would even be happy just printing an 8x10 print to 8½x11 paper and trimming the borders off......but I can't even do that! It either stretches out to the full width/height or makes it even smaller than 8x10! What gives??
I have an Epson 1280, and it will only print borderless on certain media, not all, and I suspect that is the case with many printers, therefore the need to print 8 x 10 on 8 1/2 x 11 paper.

If you are printing borderless, it will "stretch out" the print to the full size, as that's how it achieves the borderless function on many printers. You need to print to standard size, assuming you have cropped to 8 x10. As far as printing smaller than 8 x 10, again, assuming you have cropped to an 8 x10 size, are you sure you haven't checked a "scale or fit to paper size" option?

Good luck

[robertwgross]

Epson sells 8x10 premium glossy photo paper.

I find it easier to print my 8x10 on a sheet of 8.5x11, and then put that behind a mat window of 8x10. No sense in making it difficult.

---Bob Gross---

[pcasciola]

Adorama stocks 8x10 photo paper:

http://www.adorama.com/IESS041465.html

[Feihung08]

If you are printing borderless, it will "stretch out" the print to the full size, as that's how it achieves the borderless function on many printers. You need to print to standard size, assuming you have cropped to 8 x10. As far as printing smaller than 8 x 10, again, assuming you have cropped to an 8 x10 size, are you sure you haven't checked a "scale or fit to paper size" option?

Good luck
Ya know something..........that seems to work!
For some stupid reason (my brain) I kept hitting the "scale to fit" option thinking it NEW I wanted an 8x10!! DUH!! :o

Thanks Dicky ol boy!
(Btw, good name! Rich V is my name, but I go by Dick as well!)

[Feihung08]

Adorama stocks 8x10 photo paper:

http://www.adorama.com/IESS041465.html
Hmmmm......I wonder how good this paper works with a Canon Pixma ip5000 printer?? I've kinda grown fond of the Ilford Classic Pearl! Even over my beloved Photo Paper Pro (which is more glossy than the Pearl which seems to be matte).

[alfa1six4]

Lately in my area(GA), Michaels Craft store has been selling 11X14 black metal frames for $3.99. I've been stocking up on those and white matts with an 8X10 opening. So printing an 8X10 on 8.5X11 paper is a snap and inexpensive. A 9X12 print would be a slightly better aspect ratio, but won't fit in a standard printer:cry:. Love that Ilford Classic Pearl too!

[Hellashot]

Epson sells 8x10 borderless paper.

[Feihung08]

Hey THANKS everyone!

And alfa1six4, I'm going to head over to Michaels this weekend and look for those frames! :lol:

[UncleDoug]

Does the fact that 35mm full frame is a 8x12 not a 8x10 frustrate you a bit?
The legacy sizes from the view-camera-only days needs to be changed.
How? Good question....
I keep trying to push the 8x12 print size but readymade frame sizes make this a pain.

-Doug

[Longwatcher]

You think 8.5x11 is hard to find try 11x17 or 13x19 size frames.

I have found several shops online that you can order from (although I can't remember the right URLs right now) but tend to just use either plain "certificate" frames for 8.5x11 or a larger frame and matte down to 11x17 or 13x19 prints.

I have not yet figured out why the local art supply stores have not caught on to the digital print sizes yet.

[Steve Parr]

Finding a frame that's designated a "photo" frame, in 8-1/2"X11" would be difficult. However, finding a "document" frame, which is 8-1/2"X11", is probably easier than finding an 8X10.

Just my experience.

I use the Epson R320, and I print in letter size all the time...

Steve

[fdi]

Although Epson does make some 8x10 paper, the good stuff is generally not available in 8x10. I don’t mind because I never liked cropping my images from 8x12 down to 8x10. Frames were definitely a problem. Sure you can get certificate frames but they are often less than ideal, are certainly not archival.

I decided to do something about this and I founded Frame Destination. 8x12, 11x17 and 13x19 are all standard sizes. I also started selling mats to take some of these sizes into standard frames. My frames are not the cheapest in the world since they are archival quality as opposed to typical ready-mades that are full of paper products such newsprint and cardboard.

Mark

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Mark Rogers
Frame Destination, Inc.
http://www.framedestination.com
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[fdi]

P.S. and of course 8.5x11 is a standard frame at my company!

Mark

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Mark Rogers
Frame Destination, Inc.
http://www.framedestination.com
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[Feihung08]

Well, la-ti-da!!! Ask and ye shall receive huh?
Do you have some sort of "super searcher" that scours the net looking for new instances of "8½ x 11 frames" or something?!?! LOL

Do all your frames come with "mats" then??
And whats the shipping like, because so far your prices aren't that bad.
I mean I don't see much variation in actual "frame" style or anything, but I think the same thing at Aarron Bros would be about the same price if they carried 8½ x 11.

[robertwgross]

Aaron Brothers tends to be higher priced than the Michael's Crafts stores. I get about 95% of my framing and matting at Michael's.

---Bob Gross---

[fdi]

Feihung08 wrote:
“Do you have some sort of "super searcher" that scours the net looking for new instances of "8½ x 11 frames" or something?!?! LOL”

LOL, I wish, that would be pretty cool. I am a Canon photographer. I had the D30, and now the D60. You can see some of my shots at http://www.pbase.com/lila161
I also own a 2200, Photoshop, and Spyder

About Aaron brothers. There prices are double mine if you get the same frame. I have all the specs on frame components on the website and they can make one of my frames with exactly the same components from the exactly the same manufacturers except possibly the acrylic. If you ask them for a Nielsen 117, Bainbridge 8-ply alpharag, 98% UV filtering glazing for 13x19 with 3 ½ inch mat border (20x26) they will tell you about $120. My cost is $59.82 and there is a good chance the mitres on my corners will be better…depends on which Aarons. Now their readymade frames are no where near the same quality. I have redone a few for some of my local customers. For instance, my mountboard is Bainbridge archival acid free foamboard treated with their artcare process. It is better quality than standard foamboard. As you go down in quality there is also archival corrugate, pulp board, UB1, and 2U, standard cardboard and then there is newsboard. Newsboard is what I have seen in some of the Aaron’s ready-mades. I am not sure how it compares to plain old cardboard but the description from Bainbridges own flier is “Newsboard, the most economical mounting board, Suited for use with inexpensive or temporary artwork. Ideal fillerboard in non-conversvation treatments.” So yes, you might say their prices are similar or a little lower, but the quality is at opposite ends of the spectrum.

Eventually I will probably offer non-archival frames but they will be at prices significantly lower than my current prices. Most of my current customers are photographers selling or exhibiting their work so they need the higher quality frames. I understand that people framing their own prints do not need archival quality since they can just reprint later. I wish I could offer thousands of products on day one but I would need VC money to get a business like that going overnight. Since I use to work for a telecom startup I really do not have a lot of interest in VC money.

Mark

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Mark Rogers
Frame Destination, Inc.
http://www.framedestination.com
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[fdi]

Aaron Brothers tends to be higher priced than the Michael's Crafts stores. I get about 95% of my framing and matting at Michael's.

---Bob Gross---

True but Aaron Brother's will have some good sales a few times a year like their 1 cent sale. On a side note, Michael's owns them.

Mark

[fdi]

Feihung08 wrote:
“And whats the shipping like…”

You can get exact shipping cost just by starting the checkout. It will ask for a shipping address first. Just put in a couple letters in the boxes, and give it your actual zip. I do not make any money on shipping. Boxes, packing material, Fedex charges, and packing labor add up to more than I charge usually. My central location (Dallas), helps keep the rates down for customers on the East and West coast.