Some say no, some say yes... Parameters, and Raw.

[mr.photoguy]

I have been reading, and some people say no, and some people say yes to the question, When shooting in Raw mode with the 20D, and the Parameters are set to +1 on everything; will it still take effect even though you are shooting Raw?

Now some people say, no it won't take effect. All the parameters will be set to neautral.

Then some people say, yes it will take effect, and your images will be +1 on sharpness, and everything else even though your shooting Raw.


So let's get it settled, which is it .. ?

Thanks

[scottbergerphoto]

Raw is raw. To see it prior to conversion, the parameters set in the camera are used by default to generate a preview. You are free to change the parameters before conversion.
Scott

[mr.photoguy]

So then when I shoot in Raw, and then put the image in photoshop. The parameters default to 0, or neautral.

[1goodshot]

It wont effect the raw but I think it will effect the jpeg that is created with the raw. I think thats how it works.

[cecilc]

Well...
Have you done it yourself as an experiment?

It's been my experience that, yes. the parameters you set for sharpness, tone, saturation, and contrast DO affect a RAW exposure. But the added benefit of that is that you can then change those parameters in the RAW conversion if you don't like the contrast, or the saturation, or the color tone, or the sharpness .....

Do an experiment - set all your parameters to their maximum and take a shot (in RAW, of course), then set all the parameters to their minimums and take another shot (again, in RAW). I think you'll be able to tell right away when you open those shots up in whatever converter you use that the RAW exposure has definitely been affected by your parameter settings.

[rbbblues]

i disagree....i believe that once perameters are set, that is how the camera will capture the image.........the image as captured will always be the 'captured image'.thus tis is the image transfered to the raw file......the presets are no different than any other exposure setting..or iso setting.........once in the raw file....work away...

almost sounds like i know what i'm talking about???????????...but i believe his seems logical.....

enjoy.........

[mr.photoguy]

i disagree....i believe that once perameters are set, that is how the camera will capture the image.........the image as captured will always be the 'captured image'.thus tis is the image transfered to the raw file......the presets are no different than any other exposure setting..or iso setting.........once in the raw file....work away...

almost sounds like i know what i'm talking about???????????...but i believe his seems logical.....

enjoy.........

I am baffled by your explanation/comment.

[ron chappel]

Good question bruce -i'm not sure how a RAW file is displayed when first opened in photoslop.
One would assume it works just like the canon raw conversion software, where it's displayed with it's original parameter settings intact (but can be changed afterwards)

[mr.photoguy]

Good question bruce -i'm not sure how a RAW file is displayed when first opened in photoslop.
One would assume it works just like the canon raw conversion software, where it's displayed with it's original parameter settings intact (but can be changed afterwards)
Hello Ron:
When your using the Canon Raw Conversion, does it keep the Parameters in effect?, or no?

Bruce

[scottbergerphoto]

This is really not a matter of opinion. It is a fact that the parameters are NOT applied in camera to a Raw file, only the jpeg file. The Linear Raw Data from the camera cannot be displayed without parameters to translate it. By default the Raw converter uses the camera parameters to display the Raw file as it would look if converted using those parameters. The Raw data has not been altered. You have the option in conversion to use the parameters "as shot" or select whichever parameters you want. The converted jpeg or tiff file will be made with those parameters. The Raw file is not changed.
When you shoot jpeg, the conversion is done in the camera and you cannot get that raw data back.
Scott
This thread is being locked. Any further discussion of it will only serve to confuse people with beginning knowledge of Raw files. Some things just are. I suggest that people read Real World Adobe Camera Raw by Bruce Frasier

[CyberDyneSystems]

I am adding nothing to what Scottberger says, as he says it all.
I'd just like to say it again to reinforce his statement of fact.

The RAW image is NEUTRAL,. the data in the RAW file is of the image as taken.
Parameter changes in camera NEVER effect the image as taken,. even with jpeg,. they only get applied to the RAW data after the image is taken.

In the case of shooting jpeg, the parameters are applied to the jpeg conversion that occurs in camera.

When shooting set to RAW,. a record of the camera's parameters are kept, and these parameters CAN BE APPLIED to your compliant RAW conversion software's OUTPUT FILE.

Again,. the RAW image itself does not have the camera's parameters applied.
A record of those Prameters is kept with the RAW file,. just like exif info.
Those parameter settings CAN BE apllied during raw conversion, and thus the parameters can be used in your converted file,. tiff, jpeg what have you.

The RAW file itself will never be effected by the parameter settings.