Kata 3n1 review PLUS comparison with Slingshot 300 with pics

[riyazi]

Recently acquired a Kata 3n1 30 bag (from a fellow POTNer) so just wanted to share my thoughts on it as well as do a comparison with the Lowepro Slingshot 300AW, with the hope that it helps someone out there. Sorry if this is a bit long - jump to the end of the post for my summary

Introduction
I have gone through several bags in the last couple of years as my gear increased. Even though I loved my crumplers, I required a quick access bag so settled on a Lowepro SS 200AW which became a 300AW when I got a bigger lens. Even though I was happy with the 300AW, I felt the strain on one shoulder a bit too much when using it for some time. So when I heard of the KATA 3n1 which allows a slingshot as well as a backpack mode, I thought I will try it.

The bag
Overall, the quality of the bag is excellent. I would say it has the best of a crumpler (quality, good dividers, rigid support, etc) and a slingshot (functionality, easy access). The material, zippers and plastic snap-on locks are all of good quality and not the cheap variety you get in lesser brand bags. It is very similar in size to the SS 300 - the only difference being that the SS is slightly shorter but wider whereas the Kata is slightly taller but narrower. Space is almost the same I would say but because of the availability of side pockets and the way the Kata space is structured I am able to put more stuff in the Kata (comfortably) than the SS - but this might be particular to my gear and way I store/access stuff. By space/volume both bags are very similar.

click on images for bigger size
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Functionality
The key selling point of the Kata is the ability to use it as a slingshot or as a backpack. This is a great function because if the strain is too much on the 1 shoulder, changing it to backmode mode eases the load and makes it easier for long hikes/walks. The Kata actually gives 3 modes - slingshot mode with 1 strap either right to left or left to right (great news for the south paws ?); Backpack mode with 2 straps used in the conventional way; Backpack mode with 2 straps used in a cross shape which would give further comfort/support. There is also a waist support strap which would help ease the strain on the shoulders. The best part is the way the straps can be easily slid under the contoured back support so that they are out of the way - no hanging bits or waist strap banging in to your spine as it does with the SS.

Crossed backpack style with waist strap tucked in
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Crossed backpack style with waist strap out
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The good
In addition to the sling/backpack modes advantage, the Kata is able to store a lot of equipment without much strain to the back. This is due to the rigid support that the bag has. Meaning that even when the bag is empty, it can be stood on the ground without it flopping which is not so easy with the SS. The contoured back support is more stronger in the Kata than the SS - and this gives the feeling that you are not carrying much weight. However, I have not put the Kata through a hike/long walk so this opinion might change.
The Kata has a strong handle at the top which makes it easier to handle the bag when not on the shoulders. The SS has a handle as well but it is flimsy and it gives the feeling that it might break whereas the Kata is easier and safer to handle. The Kata is customisable so that you can change the dividers and straps to either swing the bag from the right or the left sides. The fact that it has openings on both sides means that you have quick access to 2 sections of the bag. The normal section where the camera will be taken out from and an opening at the bottom where you can take out another lens for quick changes. I have stored my Sigma 105mm Macro there and can pull it out quite easily but this can be tricky as this pocket is facing down there is a good chance you will drop the lens !!! But with a bit of practice it can be done (should have got some better pics to illustrate this point).

Quick access compartment where the camera goes
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Macro lens stored on the other / opposite side - this is the bottom when the bag is slung to the front
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In my bag, in the main compartment I store a 40D + Sigma 18-200mm OS; Canon 17-85mm; Sigma 150-500mm OS; Canon 50mm f/1.8; Extention tubes; a few closeup filters; Sigma 105mm f2/8 Maco. There is still a bit more space to make use of and with a bit of configuring I can put in a 430EX. The 2 small side pockets have 2 cactus receivers and 1 transmitter on one side and remote shutter trigger plus receiver plus a optical trigger on the other side. The top compartment is quite roomy and I am able to put in quite a bit of stuff in it - a Sigma 500 DG Super flash, 430EX, 86mm CP, Batteries; lens pen; small torch; blower; charger; etc. The CF cards go in to a small detachable pouch which is attached to the quick access compartment

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_vacbwou_JHE/SYAmNkkBDSI/AAAAAAAAFPI/BnClvywLhOc/s400/3n1%20top_MG_0197.jpg (http://lh4.ggpht.com/_vacbwou_JHE/SYAmNkkBDSI/AAAAAAAAFPI/BnClvywLhOc/s800/3n1%20top_MG_0197.jpg)

The separation between the main compartment and top compartment is customisable as well, as there is a removable divider between them. By taking this out, I presume you can create more space and customisation possibilities because the full length of the bag can be used but I have not tried to do this.

The bad
One major problem with the Kata - you dont have FULL EASY access to the main compartment - this is not actually a major issue but I find it quite a nuisance sometime. To explain, on the SS when the plastic locks are taken off you can open the bag fully and have access to each and every compartment - not so with the KATA. As the pic below shows, the maximum it opens is only to show half of the top section. In the pic, I have opened the bag to the full extent. This means that to access the top 2 middle compartments you need to squeeze your hand in and pull out stuff which is the nuisance part. Note that the top left compartment has the macro lens and is accessed from the other side. Since all the dividers are customisable I believe this problem can be overcome with a bit of creative thinking and also depending on the gear/access one wants. I personally would have preferred a bag which can open out fully like the SS.
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_vacbwou_JHE/SYAmFtpqCmI/AAAAAAAAFOk/_UyvHJD5dgo/s400/3n1%20inside_MG_0191.jpg (http://lh5.ggpht.com/_vacbwou_JHE/SYAmFtpqCmI/AAAAAAAAFOk/_UyvHJD5dgo/s800/3n1%20inside_MG_0191.jpg)

Even though the Kata has a rain cover this is provided as a separate item which needs to be carried around as opposed to the SS which has the rain cover in built and its just a matter of pulling it out of the back of the bag. The storage of the rain cover with the Kata takes more space whereas the one in the slingshot is hardly noticeable.

The criticisms answered
From what I have read, there are 2 main criticisms about the Kata that crop up
1) the zippers dont close fully which might bring in sand/dust in to the main comparment. The zippers do not meet because of the plastic locks are placed in between. But when the plastic locks are secured there hardly seems to be any opening for sand/dust to get in (except what you would find with any zip bag). So I personally dont think this is actually an issue but that may be debatable.

Pics in 2nd post.

2) Straps being not strong/wide/sturdy as the Slingshot. This is actually true - comparing the strap of the SS with the Kata, the SS is more wider and seems more stronger and sturdier. However, the claim that the Kata strap is not able to handle the load is not too true IMO. I think the back support helps to balance the weight and therefore not much weight is put on the strap unlike the SS where most of the weight is on the strap. Also, the reason that the Kata strap is leaner and thinner is because of the design and the ability to tuck them in when not used - which I think is a major advantage to gain for the disadvantage of a less sturdier strap.

The improvements
The Kata can be improved a great deal (IMO atleast) with a few small mods.
1) Straps - the straps can be considered a bit flimsy especially by those with wide shoulders. To counter this, Kata can issue attachable strap supports - something like what crumpler does with the Pretty Boy Maxi series. This is an additional support piece which is attached to the strap by way of velcro - this would make the strap more studier and wider. And when not needed take off the velcro and tuck them in to the back support - easy !

2) Quick Access - at the moment the Kata allows the quick access flap to be opened by taking off the plastic lock and pulling the flap down which you would do with your right hand after which you pull out the camera again with the right hand. I think this could be improved if the design is changed in a way that we can open the flap UPWARDS from the right to the left. This means we can take off the plastic locks and pull the flap up with the left hand while at the same time reach for the camera with the right. This I believe would make the quick access faster. Yes - very small point and maybe trivial but I think in addition to this advantage it could help with the one below

3) Access to whole of the main compartment - dont know how but I think this should be improved so that we are able to look at and organise the bag with access/full view of the main compartment. This is being sold as an advantage with the Tenba sling bags where you can open one side of the bag to show all the equipment stored. I think if the quick access is changed in the way I described above - we might be be able to this.

4) Raincover - attached to the bag please

The summary
The Kata is an excellent bag - well built, good quality, excellent features. Compared to the Slingshot, it has its advantages as well as disadvantages - the suitability depends on the user. If you want a bag which doubles as a backpack obvious choice is Kata. If you want only a slingbag, with a study strap the SS is your product. Either bag works well. Personally for me I prefer the Kata but since it is new and I have not put it through a proper workout by taking it on a hike/long walk this opinion might change. Both bags have similar capacities and are able to carry quite a load (see my gear).

I took the pics quite randomly without any thought about this review and some of the stuff I have explained might have worked better if I could have got the proper pic to illustrate it. If anyone wants any more pics, please ask and I will get them.

Hope this helps someone !

[riyazi]

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_vacbwou_JHE/SYAmBDCpyxI/AAAAAAAAFOM/j0x8JUvYolg/s400/3n1%20clip_MG_0182.jpg (http://lh6.ggpht.com/_vacbwou_JHE/SYAmBDCpyxI/AAAAAAAAFOM/j0x8JUvYolg/s800/3n1%20clip_MG_0182.jpg) http://lh4.ggpht.com/_vacbwou_JHE/SYAl-v25nRI/AAAAAAAAFOA/cV4LIHcWxpo/s400/3n1%20Clip_MG_0181.jpg
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[logo20heli]

Thanks for your very nice review. I like the comparison shots.

I have a question about the side access zippers. It almost looks from the pictures that the side access zipper(s) are the same as the zipper that opens the main compartment. Is that correct?

So to access the side compartment, you release the plastic lock shown in post #2. To access the main compartment, you keep those locks closed, but open the lower plastic locks and unzip the zipper the other way.

Does the bag stand up by itself once it is loaded with equipement?

Thanks again.

[riyazi]

Yes to the zippers - you can use the zipper from either side to open the main compartment

Yes - with all my equipment I can leave the bag standing up. But this maybe because I have a good base in the form of my 150-500mm lens being at the bottom. But I think even if that compartment was empty it should stand

[maxx9photo]

I just bought mine at my local store, I like it so far even though as the original poster said that it won't fully open the main compartment but it's no biggie for me. I still could store my 3 lenses 35 L (attached to 5D), 85 L and 135 L, 580 flash.

[tigerotor77w]

This is a good review -- I meant to comment on it earlier but wanted to give it a chance to settle down to the bottom of the first page before bumping it. :)

I have the -20 and love it for its flexibility.

[Vascilli]

The main reason the rain cover can be removed is so you can wash it.

[riyazi]

This is a good review -- I meant to comment on it earlier but wanted to give it a chance to settle down to the bottom of the first page before bumping it. :)

Thanks ! To be frank, I was a bit disappointed with the lack of responses :) I did put some effort in to this :) Thanks for the bump as well.

The main reason the rain cover can be removed is so you can wash it.
Good point - but not sure why a rain cover which is going to get wet anyway needs to be washed ? I would rather prefer it being attached to the bag than separate

[tigerotor77w]

Thanks ! To be frank, I was a bit disappointed with the lack of responses :) I did put some effort in to this

I think it's really useful. When I bought my -20, I was literally going off about three reviews, so I was kind of flying blind. I haven't actually gotten the chance to review mine, but you've certainly made my job easier if I ever get around to it: I'll just take pictures with my gear inside!

Will you be putting up pics of your bag loaded up?

[dan j]

Good review! I also don't mind the access to the top of the lower compartment. It's partially due to the rigid padding in the 3n1 compared to the SS.

dan

[riyazi]

I think it's really useful. When I bought my -20, I was literally going off about three reviews, so I was kind of flying blind. I haven't actually gotten the chance to review mine, but you've certainly made my job easier if I ever get around to it: I'll just take pictures with my gear inside!

Will you be putting up pics of your bag loaded up?

I didnt take any shots of the bag fully loaded but might do so today since I am snowed in :)

Good review! I also don't mind the access to the top of the lower compartment. It's partially due to the rigid padding in the 3n1 compared to the SS.

dan

Yep - the top cover is much more rigid than the SS - a small price to pay !

[USER876]

do you have any pics of the kata on your back?

[heymeng]

Thanks for the review. This helped me decide to purchase the bag. I ended up with the 30 cause im a big dude. I think the Lowepro is ugly to begin with. The Kata bag from first impression is a rather good looking bag. Also wanted to say amazon has the 20 for $80 and the 30 for $89.

[ddjc]

The slingshot is incredibly ugly.

That Kata wears the Nikon colors, but it's quite pleasant to my eyes.
I really don't like backpacks when carrying 1 camera with only 1 or 2 lenses.

Haha, would you like to review the comfort of it after going on a hike in the mountains?

[heymeng]

BTW...there are $10 and $20 rebates on the 3n1's. ends Feb 28 2009.

http://www.calumetphoto.com/pdfs/Kata-NG-Rebate02-28.pdf

[tigerotor77w]

do you have any pics of the kata on your back?

I can get one of these for you later.

[jacobsen1]

FYI I agree with the non access to the fully opened bag, but you can make it a bit easier on yourself than you have in this shot:
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_vacbwou_JHE/SYAmFtpqCmI/AAAAAAAAFOk/_UyvHJD5dgo/s400/3n1%20inside_MG_0191.jpg

unclip one of the bigger clips and get the zippers in the right spot and you get this:
http://gear.benjacobsenphoto.com/wp-content/gallery/kata-3n1-30/img_0011-labels.jpg

better, but the top right (in my shot) spot is still tricky.... BUT, unzip the quick release flap on that side (w/o opening the entire flap) and you get to that one last spot w/o issue.

The issue is they stitched the matterial over the zipper at those big clips:
http://gear.benjacobsenphoto.com/wp-content/gallery/kata-3n1-30/img_0008.jpg

if that webbing didn't cover the zipper you could FULLY open the entire back which would make it perfect. The reason for this is if the zippers aren't at those big clips the quick opening flap idea doesn't work.... but cattering to the people who can't sort that out and crippling the bag for those that can?

as for the rain cover, I don't mind that it's not attached. Sure attached is better in that you can't forget it anywhere, but I don't mind being able to put it where ever I want, or borrow it for other bags. ;)

[heymeng]

Received my bag the other night. I am completely satisfied with this system. It has exceeded my expectations. It is just the right size for me , with room to grow. Im going from the canon backpack to the Kata 3n1_30. even sent out the rebate this morning. Thanks again for this post! Helped my decision!

[Rainyday]

An excellent review, thank you. I think Kata's are ugly and wouldn't buy one but I know many folks own them and like them very much. Each to his own.

[sumadaz]

I think this may fit my needs but I have a question or two.

Can the top and bottom compartment be combined? The reason I ask is because I want to start taking my camera with me all the time including when I go to classes. I will be studying abroad in Europe next semester and want something that I can throw a couple lenses in as well as my xti body with another lens attached but still have the ability to throw in some notebooks, pens, pencils, and maybe a jacket. Maybe that is asking too much though....

[lewcid]

Hey guys,

Thanks for the detailed reviews and photos of the Kata 3n1. I'm looking to buy this bag and was hoping to get some feedback about a few concerns before I do (even if I am a Nikon shooter!). It's a bit tricky for me since none of the local stores carry the bag and I have to order it online. I have two main concerns:

a) How easy/hard is it for someone to open the side or main pockets while you're wearing the bag as a backpack? I often travel in areas known for pickpockets am a little worried that the quick release feature might aid them in relieving me of my camera. :)
b) Would someone be able to suggest which of the 3n1-20 and 30 would be more appropriate for me based on the following kit: Nikon D90, 18-200mm, 10-20mm, 50mm and a 10" inch laptop (Asus Eee 1000). I've heard from others that the 30 at least has a velcro pocket of sorts that could be used to store a small laptop like that.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers,
Saq

[riyazi]

sorry guys - last week was pretty bad for me and even though I have been online I wasnt in the mood to reply to any of the questions / comments

do you have any pics of the kata on your back?
I did take one - will put it up soon

Thanks for the review. This helped me decide to purchase the bag. I ended up with the 30 cause im a big dude. I think the Lowepro is ugly to begin with. The Kata bag from first impression is a rather good looking bag. Also wanted to say amazon has the 20 for $80 and the 30 for $89.
Hey glad that it helped :) I wouldn't say the Lowepro is ugly but the Kata does look much better than the SS :)

The slingshot is incredibly ugly.

That Kata wears the Nikon colors, but it's quite pleasant to my eyes.
I really don't like backpacks when carrying 1 camera with only 1 or 2 lenses.

Haha, would you like to review the comfort of it after going on a hike in the mountains?
About ugly - as above :) I did take the bag around last week (not a hike but a long walk) - the strap started to get a bit uncomfortable after about 30 - 45 mts time but hey - just flipped it in to back pack style and it was real comfy after that ! When carrying in the backpack style the weight was hardly noticeable

Received my bag the other night. I am completely satisfied with this system. It has exceeded my expectations. It is just the right size for me , with room to grow. Im going from the canon backpack to the Kata 3n1_30. even sent out the rebate this morning. Thanks again for this post! Helped my decision!
Hey great - glad you are happy with the bag ! Thats fantastic - enjoy !

An excellent review, thank you. I think Kata's are ugly and wouldn't buy one but I know many folks own them and like them very much. Each to his own. Thanks. Hhhmmmm Kata ugly ? Of all the bags I have seen the Kata seems to be the most stylish bar the Crumplers.

I think this may fit my needs but I have a question or two.

Can the top and bottom compartment be combined? The reason I ask is because I want to start taking my camera with me all the time including when I go to classes. I will be studying abroad in Europe next semester and want something that I can throw a couple lenses in as well as my xti body with another lens attached but still have the ability to throw in some notebooks, pens, pencils, and maybe a jacket. Maybe that is asking too much though....
Hi - yes the top and bottom parts can be combined - the divider between the 2 is held by a zipper and you can take unzip it and use it as one long bag. From the kit you described there would be no problem doing it on the 30 but you might want to check it out at a store to be sure

[dan j]

a) How easy/hard is it for someone to open the side or main pockets while you're wearing the bag as a backpack? I often travel in areas known for pickpockets am a little worried that the quick release feature might aid them in relieving me of my camera. :)

Very easy. If you're worried, you'd better stay away from all the quick access bags. Heck, if you're that worried I'd stay away from most bags. Lowepro has one that has no outside zippers. The only way in is to take it off.

The buckles are not next to your body so you probably would not feel someone grabbing the buckle.

I don't know Nikon sizes so I can't help there.

dan

[lewcid]

Thanks for getting back to me Dan. Saddened to hear that pickpockets are a valid concern with this bag because it otherwise seems ideal. Its a tough call between a secure bag and a convenient one.

I realize this would somewhat nullify the advantages of the quickdraw, but would it be possible to use a small padlock to secure the side quickdraw access when you don't expect to be shooting for some time?

[riyazi]

Hey guys,

Thanks for the detailed reviews and photos of the Kata 3n1. I'm looking to buy this bag and was hoping to get some feedback about a few concerns before I do (even if I am a Nikon shooter!). It's a bit tricky for me since none of the local stores carry the bag and I have to order it online. I have two main concerns:

a) How easy/hard is it for someone to open the side or main pockets while you're wearing the bag as a backpack? I often travel in areas known for pickpockets am a little worried that the quick release feature might aid them in relieving me of my camera. :)
b) Would someone be able to suggest which of the 3n1-20 and 30 would be more appropriate for me based on the following kit: Nikon D90, 18-200mm, 10-20mm, 50mm and a 10" inch laptop (Asus Eee 1000). I've heard from others that the 30 at least has a velcro pocket of sorts that could be used to store a small laptop like that.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers,
Saq

Hi Saq - welcome to POTN (even though you are from the "evil" side :))

The quick access compartment is closed by zippers and a plastic clip (both sides) - the zippers can be closed in such a way that they are hidden under the clip. This would mean that it would be quite difficult to "pick pocket" in to the main compartment without the wearer feeling something. The top compartment is only zippers but again I dont think it will be any different to any other bag unless it is padlocked.

I am not sure about Nikon gear but I would say that your stuff would easily fit in to a 30 with more space to spare. Since I have not used or seen the 20, I cant say for sure but I think your gear should fit in without a problem. With regard to the laptop, the 30 has zipper at the bottom which opens on to area where the back padding is - I beleive this is where it has been suggested that the laptop be stored. This means you wont have easy access to the laptop- you might have to take out some gear from the main compartment so that you can retrieve the laptop safely. Also not sure how comfortable it will be on your back when you have some thing like a laptop just behind the padding (even though it is quite a thick padding)

Hope this helps

[dan j]

The quick access compartment is closed by zippers and a plastic clip (both sides) - the zippers can be closed in such a way that they are hidden under the clip. This would mean that it would be quite difficult to "pick pocket" in to the main compartment without the wearer feeling something. The top compartment is only zippers but again I dont think it will be any different to any other bag unless it is padlocked.
ROFL. One second it's quick access that's faster than any other bags (yes, I totally agree with that statement) then it's no different than any other bag when it comes to theft?

You can't have it both ways.

It IS quick access. Unless you hide or lock the buckles it IS quick access. Tucking the zippers won't help - they're actuated when someone releases and pulls the buckle. The best thing you can do is to stop someone from releasing the buckle. How? I don't know. But, please don't think this bag is as safe as any other. One buckle pull gets both zippers opened and you have complete and total access to the camera.

Dang, now I'm bumming myself out. I guess it's a good thing I'm prepared for a thief.

dan

[USER876]

Question, does the camera compartment in the 30 store more than the lowepro fastpack?

[riyazi]

I realize this would somewhat nullify the advantages of the quickdraw, but would it be possible to use a small padlock to secure the side quickdraw access when you don't expect to be shooting for some time?

I dont think a padlock will work for the quick access zips as they are too far apart - the padlock will have to be pretty big to cover put through both zips

ROFL. One second it's quick access that's faster than any other bags (yes, I totally agree with that statement) then it's no different than any other bag when it comes to theft?

You can't have it both ways.

It IS quick access. Unless you hide or lock the buckles it IS quick access. Tucking the zippers won't help - they're actuated when someone releases and pulls the buckle. The best thing you can do is to stop someone from releasing the buckle. How? I don't know. But, please don't think this bag is as safe as any other. One buckle pull gets both zippers opened and you have complete and total access to the camera.

Dang, now I'm bumming myself out. I guess it's a good thing I'm prepared for a thief.

dan
Hmmm - dont understand why it cant be both ????? It IS quick access and like you mentioned, in order to open the quick access you have to open the buckle and pull on it fully to get access to the equipment - are you telling me there are pickpockets out there who can do that without you noticing the clip being removed, the tug on the bug while the compartment is opened and the equipment being stolen ????? Unless you are sleeping, I really doubt that any pickpocket will be able to do this while the bag is on your back. What I meant by "being as no different to any other bag" is that if a pickpocket is able to do the above to get at the equipment from the Kata surely he can do the same with any other bag - unless you have a shoulder bag and have both your hands covering the buckle !! Anyway, I dont see this bag as a "pick pocket" friendly bag as the access is from the sides and has clips as opposed to a typical backpack with zips on top which will be more easier to pick.

Question, does the camera compartment in the 30 store more than the lowepro fastpack?
Sorry - not used a fastpack (even though I was very interested in it before I bought the Kata) so I cant help you there

[dan j]

are you telling me there are pickpockets out there who can do that without you noticing the clip being removed, the tug on the bug while the compartment is opened and the equipment being stolen ????? Unless you are sleeping, I really doubt that any pickpocket will be able to do this while the bag is on your back.
Yes, that is extremely possible. They can pull rings off fingers, watches off wrists, wallets out of back pockets - yet, a quick release buckle on a backpack is impenetrable??? Good pickpockets can open a regular backpack and pull a laptop out and be gone before the wearer even knows what happened.

Quick release means that you have immediate access to the camera and whatever lens is on it. With other bags you don't have such unlimited access so it will take a little longer. Either way, you're best bet is the bags with no external zippers and paying as much attention as possible. Sewing in a secondary strap inside to hold the camera would surprise and slow them down too.

dan

[dan j]

T
I realize this would somewhat nullify the advantages of the quickdraw, but would it be possible to use a small padlock to secure the side quickdraw access when you don't expect to be shooting for some time?
Yes, you could. Putting a small padlock through the pulls of the zipper would add a little security.

dan

[Philscbx]

From several tours to Europe with maybe most of it in Amsterdam, I have attended the Queens Birthday at least twice.
You read about warnings of pickpocket, but I never actually came across it. I was there for several months at a time.
People who have must have spent too much time at the coffee shops.
At that point, they could pick your pockets after they have your pants.

You have a rain cover to camo the bags design.
You also need hooded raincoat in most cases, and it can be used in any fashion to cover the bag to down style your status.
If you loosely attach $100 bills to your outfit, some might be missing.

The main tactic I use is place gear bag into the cheapest overhead style roller bag.
Pick these up when you get there. Or before. Try to fit in as a local.
You more than likely will need it to pack what you picked up on the tour.
Don't open bag exposing gear in dense zones.

I wear rain coat or trench coat where I can sling camera out of view under coat when out of the bag.
So leave the bright Canon straps at home.

When it's time to head to the airport, gear bag goes into overhead roller bag, and then over head.
I have to admit, it's a total pita going through security.
I have been pulled out of line to be searched in Holland before getting to ticket counter with military guards sporting M-16 style gear.
So do get there early. Slight handicap with language can get in the way sometimes.
Cheers

[lewcid]

Hey guys, thanks again for all the brilliant feedback.

Perhaps I should look at this from a different perspective. The main attraction of the 3n1 for me is not so much quick access to the camera (that's always around my neck!) but rather to be able to quickly change lenses without having to take the bag off and put it off the ground. For those of you who have been using this bag, what is your take on this? Are you able to easily switch lenses by slinging the bag around?

With regards to laptop storage I'd only have it in the bag when flying and then it would get left behind at the hotel while im out and about with the bag. With pick pocketing my concern is mostly someone being able to get into the bag while its on my back, without my being aware of it. I'm otherwise pretty careful, ill sling the bag around to the front if on public transport etc. I've used regular backpacks before without it being a problem so I'm leaning towards thinking I might be acting a little paranoid about the quick access.

Thanks again everyone!

Saq
PS: about my evil Nikon shooting side, if it helps every P&S I've ever had has been a Canon! :)

[riyazi]

Saq

With regard to changing lenses, it is possible to swing the bag around and open up the bag to get access to the lenses. If you are going to always have the camera on your neck, you can even configure the bag to have your next most needed lens to be accessible by the quick access compartment.

For your purposes, the laptop "compartment" of the Kata can be used effectively - as long as you realise that it is not a "compartment" FOR the laptop (meaning you need to adjust to it)

BTW - looks like you are a hybrid ! :D

[dan j]

Are you able to easily switch lenses by slinging the bag around?
Swinging it around front is like having a table right in front of you while you walk. It makes changes very easy.

dan

[lewcid]

OK, brilliant guys. Thanks so much. I've decided I'll be ordering one. I think it might be close to an ideal every day camera bag, and once I have it I can evaluate if I need something different for visits to particularly dodgy places (Istanbul - haven of pickpockets comes to mind!) or if this will fine for that purpose as well. Thanks again! Saq

[lewcid]

By the way, does anyone have a lead on where a tripod holder for this bag can be ordered in Europe?
Cheers,
Saq

[riyazi]

do you have any pics of the kata on your back?

sorry for the delay in posting this - hope this helps
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_vacbwou_JHE/SZibgNNfW-I/AAAAAAAAFVo/0iB1Ev8TJrA/s400/Bag%20on%20back_MG_0311.jpg (http://lh4.ggpht.com/_vacbwou_JHE/SZibgNNfW-I/AAAAAAAAFVo/0iB1Ev8TJrA/s800/Bag%20on%20back_MG_0311.jpg)

[USER876]

thanks! One more question, how tall are you?

[riyazi]

thanks! One more question, how tall are you?

No worries. I am 5' 8". I should mention that I like to carry back packs a little lower on my back than most people - hence the position in the picture.

[tigerotor77w]

I also posted a photo in http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?p=7308563 of me (5'6") wearing the -20.

[USER876]

I think I am going to go with the 20.....although dimensions are not that different, the 30 looks MUCH bigger.

[glbtrekker]

Question. Did you determine that the Kata was more comfortable on a long hike? I noticed that you switched for this purpose, but never read if you had reached a conclusion yet. I'm currently looking for a bag that I will carry/wear all day and I am looking for one that will not leave me with a sore shoulder(s) at the end of the day.

Thanks for the review!

[_aravena]

The 30 is a decent increase in size over the 20. Think I'll be sticking with the 20.

[riyazi]

I did use the Kata for long walks and the sling shot trap started becoming uncomfortable after about half an hour or so (about the same time that it took the Slingshot to be uncomfortable). But the advantage with the Kata is that you just switch on to backpack mode and it is really really comfortable. I now use it mostly on back pack mode but put it to sling shot when I need to keep changing lenses. Only issue is that the strap length has to be changed every time you change modes - ie: the single strap has to be longer when in slingshot mode and shorter in back pack mode - it it not just a matter of changing the strap position but also need to change the length which is a bit of annoying thing but not too bad

[bohdank]

Thanks for the review. It reafirms my decision to have bought the Fastpac... which is really a Slingshot with a top compartment and 2 shoulder straps. Having complete access to the camera/lens compartment is a must and the raison d'etre of this still of bag. If you can't access every lens and don't need to then there are better bags out there, imo.

[glbtrekker]

I did use the Kata for long walks and the sling shot trap started becoming uncomfortable after about half an hour or so (about the same time that it took the Slingshot to be uncomfortable). But the advantage with the Kata is that you just switch on to backpack mode and it is really really comfortable. I now use it mostly on back pack mode but put it to sling shot when I need to keep changing lenses. Only issue is that the strap length has to be changed every time you change modes - ie: the single strap has to be longer when in slingshot mode and shorter in back pack mode - it it not just a matter of changing the strap position but also need to change the length which is a bit of annoying thing but not too bad

Have you considered wearing the bag in a backpack still but criss-crossing the straps? If I'm not mistaken, I have read that will allow you the comfort of the backpack config. with the ability to simply unlatch one buckle and swing the bag around in the sling style. Have you tried that? I would be interested to know if it actually works.

[riyazi]

yeah thats what I wanted to do the next time - will let you know when I try it on a walk around

[adblink]

thanks a ton for making this post. I have the 300 now and have been contemplating the move to this bag as well. I'm going to Europe for 18 days and need something way more comfortable, looks like I might have to rig something up for added security but thats ok.

Now just need to find a Canadian retailer whos not going to rip me off :(

[riyazi]

Very welcome - glad you found it useful

Good luck with finding a retailer!

[Nevilleblack]

I watched a interview with a Kata rep on youtube where she explains that you can use the bag (when in slingshot mode) to place your elbows on it while shooting. In turn this acts as a stabilizer and you dont need a monopod.
I take that with a grain of salt, but I could see it helping. Has anybody tried this with good results?

[_aravena]

It helps pending what's in the bag. I did that once as a joke with the slingshot. I could it helping, but like i said, depends on what's in the bag. The Kata is much more solid than the Slingshot so that may help. It would help at night if you're going just a bit too slow but nothing significant.

[Nevilleblack]

So this bag doesnt come with a tripod holder huh?
Where can you pick them up and whats the name I would search for?
Kata tripod pouch?

[dan j]

http://www.bogenimagingstore.us/servlet/-strse-70/Kata-Tripod-Holder-for/Detail

B&H also sells it but they were asking $50 ( :D ) for it. For $20 it's a steal.

dan

[Nevilleblack]

Im surprised its not included with a bag of this quality. I love this bag but not having a tripod holder included is beyond me.

[dan j]

It'd be nice, but there's also something to be said for not having every single option which would raise the price.

Anyway, for $20 it was worth it for me.

dan

[tigerotor77w]

B&H used to include it with the bags... not sure why it doesn't seem to be included anymore. :(

[Nevilleblack]

I noticed that. Ill just have to buy it seperately then I suppose.
Too bad they didnt make a model which also fit a laptop.

[Nevilleblack]

Just got mine the other day and love it. It holds all my gear and my MSI Wind mini laptop (where the lunch is suppose to go). Sorry but I would never mix food and gear heheh.
Anyways second time taking it out I had to use the rain pack cause it poured. It worked well. The only issue I had was that water was still able to creep a little down by the straps since the cover doesnt go all the way over the straps. Still, everything was dry as a bone.

[adblink]

took mine to Europe for 2.5 weeks, just got back last week-ish and loved it. Very handy.

[Happybrandon]

Thanks for the review as it helped me significantly while looking for the right bag for me.

That said, I have been using a 3n1 20 for about three weeks now and love it as well. It has great storage with convenient access, is comfortable to carry without standing out as an obvious "camera bag" and works great as a platform to stabilize a shot or change a lens. All in all a fantastic bag.

[Nevilleblack]

One beef....
Its yellow and black.
Why is the one strap red.... but not YELLOW?
ugh
Match people!!!

[bjoynes]

I'm very close to buying the Kata 3N1-30, or maybe the 3N1-33 which also has a laptop pocket. One thing which is holding me back is the carry-on ability of this bag. Has anyone got experience flying with this bag as carry-on.

Also I need to carry a 70-200, 100-400, 24-70, 35, along with a 40D will it carry the zooms with ease?

Thanks

Bryn

[13inches]

That's going to be a tight squeeze (with hoods) in the lower compartment. If you use the upper compartment for one of the lenses you'll be fine.

[adblink]

I'm very close to buying the Kata 3N1-30, or maybe the 3N1-33 which also has a laptop pocket. One thing which is holding me back is the carry-on ability of this bag. Has anyone got experience flying with this bag as carry-on.

Also I need to carry a 70-200, 100-400, 24-70, 35, along with a 40D will it carry the zooms with ease?

Thanks

Bryn

I flew to europe for a 2 week contiki tour. The 3in1-30 was my main carry on bag. Bottom compartment was just camera gear, top was for various other things. Even managed to stuff a light jacket in there when it got too hot, it was tight but I made it fit :)

I only brought along the 40D, 24-105, 50mm, 10-20mm, gorillapod, chargers and batteries

[bjoynes]

Packed my Kata 3N1-33 with a 15inch laptop, 70-200, 100-400, 24-70, 35. and 40D without grip. Not much space left in the main compartment. The top compartment is carrying a small set of field binoculars, as well as a 85mm f/1.8 and 50mm f/1.4.

Bryn

[sinjans]

I find my 3n1-30 with tripod attached to be pretty heavy on the traps with only the 70-200 2.8IS, 17-40L, flash and a gripped 50D. I think i may need to make some strap adjustments but right now with all that gear i am not as pleased with the balancing as i was. I've been looking around latley for a well priced backpack.

[Nevilleblack]

Yeah you might have to make some adjustments by the sounds of it. Shouldn't be too heavy on the shoulders... then again, its the only bag Ive used.
I have the tripod pouch attached but I find it doesn't balance as well as I had thought, I have to put the strap up at the top handle to keep it tight and balanced so there is no wobble.

[tigerotor77w]

I have the tripod pouch attached but I find it doesn't balance as well as I had thought, I have to put the strap up at the top handle to keep it tight and balanced so there is no wobble.

That's what I do as well.

[mghong]

That's what I do as well.

I don't really have a trial on this Kata 3n1..but i have try out lowepro MiniTrekker .

but looking at the picture , it look like Minitrekker can put more gear then this 3n1 ??

Any comment ?

[Nevilleblack]

2 different style of packs. I would say it just depends on what youre bringing with you and how you pack it. Fairly similar in terms of what it can carry but different on how the packs carry it.

[Travelller]

Even though I was happy with the 300AW, I felt the strain on one shoulder a bit too much when using it for some time … the key selling point of the Kata is the ability to use it as a slingshot or as a backpack. This is a great function because if the strain is too much on the 1 shoulder, changing it to backmode mode eases the load and makes it easier for long hikes/walks … The fact that it has openings on both sides means that you have quick access to 2 sections of the bag … One major problem with the Kata - you dont have FULL EASY access to the main compartment …

…I did take the bag around last week (not a hike but a long walk) - the strap started to get a bit uncomfortable after about 30 - 45 mts time but hey - just flipped it in to back pack style and it was real comfy after that…

… the advantage with the Kata is that you just switch on to backpack mode and it is really really comfortable. I now use it mostly on back pack…

Thanks for the review. It reafirms my decision to have bought the Fastpac... which is really a Slingshot with a top compartment and 2 shoulder straps. Having complete access to the camera/lens compartment is a must and the raison d'etre of this still of bag. If you can't access every lens and don't need to then there are better bags out there, imo.

One thing which is holding me back is the carry-on ability of this bag…

I flew to europe ... The 3in1-30 was my main carryon bag...

Hi2all

First off, I realize it’s an old thread but, it’s still the only thread on the 3N1-30, not to mention it is a very well-written review (kudos to riyazi)!

I’ve been working with a Slingshot 200AW (http://products.lowepro.com/product/SlingShot-200-AW,2035,4.htm) for the past four years which has (and still does) serve me well. However both my requirements and lens collection has matured since *g* and I needed a second bag that could satisfy my new requirements:

A carryon-sized sling-type bag with the following “Slots”:

1x50D + 70-200 2.8 / 4L
1x 70-200 2.8 / 4l *or* a “HQ” standard-zoom weighing in at 650-950g
2x “HQ” standard-zooms weighing in at 650-950g
1x Flash
4~6x filters
1x separate non-camera gear compartment (not just a “pouch”)
1x misc external pouch
1x 11.6” ~ 13” Net/Notebook incl. thin sleeve

It’s not a simple list, by any means, but let’s face it, a good number of members will be interested in a similar setup. I would also like to point out that I want to be able to use the “main” camera slot with any lens that may be mounted on it, so worst case, with my 70-200 4L IS USM. This means the bag must be at least 25.5cm wide (hence, the slingshot 200AW is no longer an option and the 3N1-22 is already off my short-list). If I happen to have my EF-S 60mm Macro USM mounted to my camera and returned “as is” to the main slot, I will need an extra slot to store the 70-200. Optimally I need three “long” slots and two short slots for my body, lenses & flash.

Clearly, there are not that many candidates on the market footing this bill and two of the main candidates are already listed in this thread by riyazi. I saw the 300AW and was immediately turned off as it looked like it was designed to be worn by a stocky dwarf, being almost wider than long… :rolleyes: I just couldn’t imagine using this bag in “sling” mode and tbh, I didn’t even give it a try. Instead, I went straight for the 3N1!

At first, I was really aiming for the 3N1-22, as I have an Acer 1810TZ (http://forum.notebookreview.com/acer/439189-acer-1810tz-3g-edition-pictorial.html#post5575175) which is a 11.6” Notebook and looks more like a large Netbook. The 1810TZ is 21cm wide and as I insist on a (thin) sleeve regardless of the backpack, I need room for 21.5cm. Well the 3N1-22’s Notebook compartment is specified at 20cm. I’m fairly sure I could “shoe-horn” my Notebook in there (without sleeve), but I don’t want to fight with the bag (not to mention risk losing one of the Notebook’s a rubber “feet” from the tight fit, etc). Even if I was prepared to live with that, the next problem is getting the 70-200 fitted on my 50D body in the main slot. In order to do that I’ll need 25.5cm and again, at 20cm, it’s not going to happen with the 3N1-22…

So, despite the awkward size, I ended up buying the 3N1-33 instead. Now room is no longer an issue, neither for the Notebook (even my Dell XPS M1330 (http://forum.notebookreview.com/dell/173118-ill-have-m1330-hold-guinness.html) now fits) nor for my 50D+70-200 combo! But that’s the end of the “great” news, more or less… . Besides the cons that have been listed by riyazi (such as the fact that you cannot fully open the bag...) I have come to the unfortunate conclusion that that at its largest size, the Kata 3N1 is no longer 3N1, but a 1N1… (read: standard, two-strap backpack). The reason I say this is that it is very uncomfortable to use this sized bag in a sling mode. Not impossible, but impractical. I say this being average in size, 182cm tall, 85Kg, standard shoulder width (I wear a size 52 regular, preferably Italian cut ;)).

The weight of the bag, fully-packed, will be no less than 9~10Kg. That may not sound like a whole lot, but when you have that much weight on one shoulder blade for even a short amount of time (>30mins), it starts to hurt. Now go ahead and swing the 10Kg around to the front of you; it’s easier said than done! I basically un-tucked my shirt in the process, meaning I have to carefully choose what I wear when I go out with this bag… :confused: So now that it’s in front of you, you’re overwhelmed by its 46x24cm surface which is at chest-level, making it difficult to get stuff in & out smoothly.

But the reason it’s called “3N1” is due to the third and last carrying option of crossing the straps, allowing you to carry it as a backpack but being one “click” away from sling mode. On paper, it sounds like the perfect solution and maybe for some “anatomical configurations” it will be. Alas, I have the constant feeling that the straps are out to strangle me, lol… Humor aside, the straps come very close to the neck and will be for some (such as myself) problematic… .

I have a harder time rating it as a classic backpack as I have never done any cross-Country trekking or similar (read: I’m not a backpack expert). My expertise lies in city bags which is why I was attracted to the Slingshot 200AW four years back. What I can state is that the 3N1’s straps tend to creep towards my outer-shoulder blades and I find myself pulling the straps back in, regularly. A friend of mine who owns the 3N1-30 said he bought an extra strap that latches across to connect both straps at chest-level, keeping the straps from creeping. So I will need to buy said strap to turn my 3N1 into a useable 1N1… sigh.

Last but certainly not least, I also want to use this bag a my carryon. It should be clear to anyone that has done a bit of recent travelling (or at least watched / read the News) that the airlines are cracking down on pricing and restrictions. Thus that huge carryon that you managed to sneak on to the plane 10yrs ago with just your big smile at the ticket counter will no longer be accepted, period. So looking at my 3N1-33 last night, I thought I’d review current-day limits. I checked out Delta’s limit (http://www.delta.com/traveling_checkin/baggage/carryon/index.jsp) (seeing as they are now one bigbadass carrier...) which is 56x36x23cm (22"x14"x9"). This means that at 46x32x24, the 3IN1-33 just makes it. But barely – which means you can look forward to the occasional discussion at the ticket counter and having to go stuff the bag in their “SizeCheck” cage-thingy. Keep in mind that this is for a standard-sized plane (100 seats+); if you're taking a "hopper" (<80 seats) they will most likely force you to turn it over just before boarding the plane... :shock:

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Please do not take this as criticism towards Kata or the 3N1 line; I am fairly certain that these problems do not exist (or are much less disturbing) with the smaller sized versions. It is just my personal conclusion / opinion that it is not feasible to produce a truly functional “sling-type” bag in this size / weight class. As such, I will have to agree with bohdank that I would be better off looking for the best “classic” backpack and resorting to sling-types for smaller loads and city-tours instead.

Here's a few shots comparing the 3N1-33 (m.) to the Slingshot 200AW (r.)
and my "large" 15" Notebook-toting city rucksack (l.)
- which is what I usually take on a trip as carryon
(click for larger images, apologies for the quick & dirty shots...).
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3300/4579394949_e8f79b55f8.jpg (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3300/4579394949_ed85e9a5e3_o.jpg)

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4005/4579395027_9b421d54f2.jpg (http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4005/4579395027_a65211f56f_o.jpg)



***EDIT***
Well on the flip-side, it does fill up quite nicely. I got everything placed
exactly where I wanted with the exception of maybe my EF-S 17-55's sunshade...
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4025/4582068163_26e1d4e8ee.jpg (http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4025/4582068163_cd9acf0ab5_o.jpg)

Lowepro Slingshot 200AW still the right one for an "afternoon in the city"
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4014/4582697640_3700bea96c.jpg (http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4014/4582697640_6436f0a15c_o.jpg)

[sylipotn]

Travelller,

This last post you made comparing the 3N1-3x to the SS 200 AW is very informative indeed. There's no retailer around my area that carries any of the Kata bags, but just from your picture comparing it to the SS, it looks like a tank.

I'm so mixed at this point whether to get an SS 202 AW, 3N1-20, Fastpack 200/250... there's just so many tradeoffs and compromises between the bunch.

For your SS 200, how have the zippers been treating you? I keep reading LowePro uses cheap zippers that break over time, especially around the corners of the SS.

Also, I was wondering, did you have a 70-200mm/2.8L or 4L? I notice the internal height of the 3N1-2x and 3N1-3x is exactly the same at 30cm(11.8"). Is it possible to re-arrange the camera and lens in such a way that the body is flush with the side and the lens facing up(or down)? 30cm is about enough for a body+70-200/2.8 .... I think. If it's possible to make an arrangement that way, then the 3N1-2x will suffice

My current kit is currently a simple 7D, 17-55/2.8, 50/1.4 , but in the near future I plan to expand to have the 70-200/2.8, and possibly the 100mm/2.8 macro lens.

This is still the best thread I've seen on the net about the 3N1-3x!!


Thanks

[Travelller]

...comparing the 3N1-3x to the SS 200 AW ... it looks like a tank ... whether to get an SS 202 AW, 3N1-20, Fastpack 200/250... For your SS 200, how have the zippers been treating you? ... did you have a 70-200mm/2.8L or 4L? Is it possible to re-arrange the camera and lens in such a way that the body is flush with the side and the lens facing up ... currently a simple 7D, 17-55/2.8, 50/1.4 , but in the near future I plan to expand to have the 70-200/2.8, and possibly the 100mm/2.8 macro lens...Hey :)
I saw the 3N1-22 - it was actually the bag I was after but it's simply too thin, width-wise... :( Too thin for my Notebook or for a body attached to a 70-200 (regardless of which - 2L or 4L - as they are both about the same length...).

== The following assumes the bag is standing upright and we talk in terms of Height, Width & Depth ==

Unfortunately both the Lowepro and Kata's internal arrangement options are limited. Due to the thin velcro strips that span the depth of the bags, you are forced to create three rows and then you can use the short dividers to split each row in two (or more) slots. It's been a while since I studied permutations and combinations, but common sense will tell us that you can only do so much with the dividers... :neutral:

So no, unfortunately you cannot place the camera + lens "vertically". I calculated that I would need 25.5cm to comfortably fit my 50D+70-200 4L in the middle row, the row most easily accessible from the side opening. Both the 3N1-2x and 202AW are not wide enough to manage this. If you don't mind always having to remove the 70-200 prior to storing your gear then you can manage to fit your current & planned gear in either the 202AW / 2X.

As for Notebook / Netbook space... it will have to be 20cm or less in width. My Acer 1810TZ is 21cm and maybe I could "jam" it in there, but I don't want to have to jam anything into a gear bag...

Finally, I've had the 200AW for about 4yrs and I've never had any major trouble with the zippers. One thing's certain though, you need both hands to open the side panel. Those curves you were hinting at - you can't easily un/zip around them with one hand.

It's really a shame; if either Lowepro ir Kata had made their smaller offerings just a tad wider, it would have solved the biggest problems I had with them...

[Travelller]

comparing the 3N1-3x to the SS 200 AW...Btw, speaking of comparisons, this site has some really good comparison shots of various bags, incl. the 20 vs. 30:

http://www.taschenfreak.de/indexlisteart.htm (sorted by "type")
http://www.taschenfreak.de/indexliste.htm (sorted by manufacturer)

Yes, unfortunately it's in German, but if you go down to the end of the main page and pick a link from the "Vergleichsfotos" section you can at least appreciate the images, which actually speak volumes ;) The individual reviews also show you what he managed to pack in each individual bag... a great job, I have to say, even if it's not a professional review site :cool:

[sylipotn]

Travelller,

Thanks for that info. That german site has a lot of bag picture comparisons that are more detailed than most of the reviews I read on the bags. It's still difficult to guage the dimensions, but having that many pictures with gear is very very helpful. Thanks!!!!

So after reading your review of the 3N1 I decided to go with a backpack and just skip the whole 3N1 becoming a 1N1. I wanted some pack for hiking, and I'd agree that holding that much weight on one shoulder for more than awhile (the consensus appears to be ~30min) will have you hurtin' later.

I ended up with a Fastpack 250 (side opening + laptop bag). And, after reading tons of reviews on that, having seeing it in person is like "wow, that's big". None of these bags are anything I'd carry to a social visit with one lens. Do you have any recommendations on a bag for just one lens and maybe a prime? (common walkaround like 24-70/2.8 or 17-55/2.8) - sling, shoulder, any single strap deal would do..


Anyway, as for the Slingshot 200/202 AW configuration w/ 70-200/2.8 that I was hoping to be able to get outa the KATA are things like this:
SS200 with 70-200/2.8 -- http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=331235
SS200 with 100-400 (close to size of 70-200/2.8) -- http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showpost.php?p=4511118&postcount=23

[_aravena]

Unfortunately for Crumpler it's all non American.