PMA '09 is coming up!

[Marloon]

i forgot that PMA '09 is coming up!

i really cant wait to see what's going to pop up there. i am waiting to see olympus' micro 4 3rds system! :D

what are you guys expecting or wanting to see? a 1Ds MKIV? 1D MKIV? i doubt these things will show up though.

[JBF]

I think that Canon will surprise us with a replacement of the 1D Mark III.

[brucea]

60D

[L.Morey]

50DN MkII

[SoundsGood]

Too soon for a 60D, but that's what *I'd* like to see.

[Haru]

50D is still pretty new, and everyone is still excited about the 5D mark II, I doubt they will announce anything big at all. Maybe some extra coating to some old lenses that adds $600 to the price tag. ;)

[brianch]

35mm f/1.4 L II? 60D? 1D Mark IIIN? Or maybe an update on some of their super telephotos.

[Perry Ge]

50 1.4 <-- Canon, update this lens please. Thank you.

[AdamJL]

50DN MkII

:lol::lol::lol:

Me? Just a 1D IV please.

[GBRandy]

:lol::lol::lol:

Me? Just a 1D IV please.

Amen....one that actually works.

If Nikon burps out an AF-s 135 f 2.0 before Canon releases an MKIV, I am out of here.......

[Collin85]

Freaking nothing. Otherwise I'll be spending more money again.

[skygod44]

Isn't it time for a replacement to the now ancient, 5DMkII?
;)

[Perry Ge]

Amen....one that actually works.

If Nikon burps out an AF-s 135 f 2.0 before Canon releases an MKIV, I am out of here.......

D700 + AF-S 50 1.4 + AF-S 135 f/2 + 14-24 + 24-70 + 70-200 + 200-400. Omg. So sweet.

[L.Morey]

What about a new speedlight to keep up with nikons new 800

[Perry Ge]

Amen....one that actually works.

If Nikon burps out an AF-s 135 f 2.0 before Canon releases an MKIV, I am out of here.......

If they update their prime lineup with AF-S glass, I'm outta here too. Might keep the 5D and 85L though :p.

[GBRandy]

D700 + AF-S 50 1.4 + AF-S 135 f/2 + 14-24 + 24-70 + 70-200 + 200-400. Omg. So sweet.
My list?

Nikon D3
14-24 f.8
24-70 f2.8
70-200 f2.8 AF-s VR

50 f1.4 AF-s
85 f 1.4 AF-s VR
135 f2 AF-s VR
300 f2.8 AF-s VR

...if only my pocketbook allowed for a 200 f2....THAT would be sweet.

I call it my Nikon bail out plan :)

Of course if canon releases a MKIV that rivals the D3....that would change things...I would prefer to leave my lens collection alone.

[GBRandy]

What about a new speedlight to keep up with nikons new 800

Nikon is up to the SB 900 now....although I would be happy to see Canon Match the SB 800. :oops:

[musicmaster]

My list?

Nikon D3
14-24 f.8
24-70 f2.8
70-200 f2.8 AF-s VR

50 f1.4 AF-s
85 f 1.4 AF-s VR
135 f2 AF-s VR
300 f2.8 AF-s VR

...if only my pocketbook allowed for a 200 f2....THAT would be sweet.

I call it my Nikon bail out plan :)

Of course if canon releases a MKIV that rivals the D3....that would change things...I would prefer to leave my lens collection alone.
Sounds perfect for me :)

[S.Horton]

I suppose I'm getting cranky -- how about this.

Dear Canon - Whatever you show, please ensure that it is available in March, and that it works.

Thank you.

[gary88]

Two more Rebels ;)

[grego]

50 1.4 <-- Canon, update this lens please. Thank you.

Not likely going to happen. Wish they'd just throw ring usm in it like the 85 1.8 and charge like 350 for it.

[John_TX]

FYI: PMA starts Tuesday March 3, 2009.

Typically, we'll hear announcements about a week early, so expect something from Canon between Feb. 23-26.

I'd love to see some moderately priced telephotos!
EF 400IS f5.6
EF 500IS f5.6
EF 200-400IS f4-5.6 (or even stretch it out to a 200-500IS f4-5.6 or 6.3)

While many could really use a 500mm lens, $5800 for the f4 version is way outta reach for most.
Canon could really expand their telephoto market and give Sigma a run for their money with a IS f5.6 offering in 400 or 500mm.

[AdamJL]

I suppose I'm getting cranky -- how about this.

Dear Canon - Whatever you show, please ensure that it is available in March, and that it works.

Thank you.


I'll sign that!

[Neilyb]

5D mkIII would be good.

[S.Horton]

Ok, for real.

200-400 f/4 IS L

[KenjiS]

Hmn...Lenses I'd like to see:

400 f5.6L IS [Pleaseeee :D So the used ones drop in price!]

400 f/4L IS [NON-DO]

50mm f/1.4 II

100mm f/2.8 Macro IS

EF-S 15-85 f/3.5-5.6 IS [Equivalent of a 24-105 or so for us 1.6 crop shooters, Because Nikon, Sony and Olympus have one]

85mm f/1.4L

200mm f/2.8L IS

100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS II [With a twist zoom and a beefed up tripod collar!]

70-300 f/4L IS [Think of it, the loveliness of the 70-200 f/4L IS with a bonus 100mm!]

EF-S 10-16 f/2.8 [Ok this one is pure wishful thinking]

24-105 f/2.8-4L IS [Remains 2.8 to about 70, then goes f/4 ;3 End the 24-70 vs 24-105 arguement once and for all!]

24-70 f/2.8L IS [Because the above is less likely to happen]

[DarthVader]

Expect too much...could cause disappointment :)

[gary88]

Aside from the two super-zooms, I seriously seriously doubt Canon would make any more variable aperture Ls.

[KenjiS]

Aside from the two super-zooms, I seriously seriously doubt Canon would make any more variable aperture Ls.

I almost suggested making the 100-400 an f/5.6 constant

I think it would theoretically simplify the lens and make it a little lighter or higher quality?

Could be VERY wrong about that..

[John_TX]

Canon needs to release something new in the 300 to 400mm range (prime or zoom).
The EF 300 IS F4 was released in March 1997.
The EF 400 F5.6 was released in May 1993.
The 400 F5.6 is coming up on sixteen years old! Seriously? Canon, are you telling us 16 years is too long to get around to adding IS and maybe some of the new coatings?
Heck, even the EF 100-400IS F4.5-5.6 is going on 11 years old (Nov. 1998).

The 3.5MP Canon D30 was released October 2000. 21+ MP cameras were not even a glimmer in the eyes of those who designed lenses in 1993! :rolleyes:

[JeffreyG]

It is strange but according to Canon's usual update timing (every 3 years for 1D and 5D, every 18 months for XXD and Rebels) nothing is due.

Of course, I said no way to the 50D rumors since August 2008 was only 12 months from the 40D launch and I was totally wrong.

Anyway, my wish list:
1D Mark IIIn just so the 1D3 price falls and I can snag one.

My perennial wish:
EF 500 1:5.6L IS USM

And for those of you with the Nikon wish lists, mine:
D700
24-70
70-200
200-400
1.4X
2 SB800's

All for a cool $12000.

Thinking it over, what Canon will probably Release is the Rebel X (10000D in Europe), a 1.6X body with one non-cross type focus point and a 0.75 fps frame rate and 0.34X viewfinder retailing for $280

[Marloon]

if canon seriously releases a 200-400mm f4L IS. then OH MY GOD! thats my next lens that i want! i was thinking of a 100-400L

[Perry Ge]

if canon seriously releases a 200-400mm f4L IS. then OH MY GOD! thats my next lens that i want! i was thinking of a 100-400L

Yeah, and expect to pay at least around $5000 for it :p.

[Marloon]

the nikon 200-400 is almost 6g!!!! never mind! id rather get a 200MM f2.0 and have some money left over for a 100-400

[Perry Ge]

Yeah :p.

[KenjiS]

Yeah, and expect to pay at least around $5000 for it :p.

And it will probubly still be a push-pull zoom :D

[silvex]

50 1.4 <-- Canon, update this lens please. Thank you.

+1 on that...an update with USM and no inner focusing would be NICE!!!!

[silvex]

Hmn...Lenses I'd like to see:

400 f5.6L IS [Pleaseeee :D So the used ones drop in price!]

50mm f/1.4 II

100mm f/2.8 Macro IS

200mm f/2.8L IS

100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS II [With a twist zoom and a beefed up tripod collar!]

24-70 f/2.8L IS [Because the above is less likely to happen]

+1 on those

a 24-70 f/2 IS would a hit...and a 100-400L f4 IS with twist.

[Bob_A]

5D MKIII

Would be just my luck since I just switched to Nikon FF :lol:

[John_TX]

+1 on those

a 24-70 f/2 IS would a hit...and a 100-400L f4 IS with twist.

The current 24-70 f2.8 weights about 34oz.
Adding IS will add at least 5-6oz to the weight with f2.8 glass.
The move from f2.8 to f2.0 will add at least another 8-12oz.
(and I think these numbers are very conservative...look at the weight difference between the EF 200 f2.8 & EF 200 f2.0 (1.7 pounds vs 5.6 pounds)

You would now have a lens that goes from 2.1 pound lens to 2.9 or 3.25 pounds.
The current 24-70 f2.8 is already called "the brick" for a reason.
Unless Canon can find a way to lighten it up during redesign (e.g. take out a couple optical groups and maybe lighten up the barrel), I just can't see this as being a viable lens in their lineup.
You would be pushing 6-6.5 pounds in your bag with just the 24-70 & 70-200 f2.8 IS.
That's hardly convenient in many situations.

[silvex]

The current 24-70 f2.8 weights about 34oz.
Adding IS will add at least 5-6oz to the weight with f2.8 glass.
The move from f2.8 to f2.0 will add at least another 8-12oz.
(and I think these numbers are very conservative...look at the weight difference between the EF 200 f2.8 & EF 200 f2.0 (1.7 pounds vs 5.6 pounds)

And the sports/red carpet photogs wear them at their neck...

You would now have a lens that goes from 2.1 pound lens to 2.9 or 3.25 pounds.
The current 24-70 f2.8 is already called "the brick" for a reason.

Unless Canon can find a way to lighten it up during redesign (e.g. take out a couple optical groups and maybe lighten up the barrel), I just can't see this as being a viable lens in their lineup.
You would be pushing 6-6.5 pounds in your bag with just the 24-70 & 70-200 f2.8 IS.
That's hardly convenient in many situations.Like I said sports/red carpet photogs wear them at their neck...and some of the red carpet photogs use 1DsMk3+580EXII+battery packs times two or three...

There might be cases due to health or physical contrains this is a bad deal....the "regular" gear is 24-70, 70-200 and 400L on the field...

http://www.sportsshooter.com/port_popup.html?mem_id=21&i_id=453317

Watch the portion about shooting football...BTW I have carrried in my my bag 400L or 600L 24-70,16-25, 70-200L batteries flashes....granted it has wheels...but you must carried to to a couple of stairs flights or going up/down some arena...try sand...:)

http://www.sportsshooter.com/funpix_view.html?id=8501

Also the 800L is lighter than the 600L and the new 200L is lighter than the 200L f/1.8 not much...but STILL photogs that make a living using these lenses do buy them AND use them all day long.

[KenjiS]

+1 on those

a 24-70 f/2 IS would a hit...and a 100-400L f4 IS with twist.


I should doodle up some designs for some of these lenses :D at least exterior ones

[pieq314]

500D should be announced. This is because 50D was announced 1/2 year ahead of the 1.5 cycle, 500D should also be 1/2 ahead of schedule.

Also, I think 1D Mk 4 (or 5) and 1Ds Mk 4 (or 5) will be announced at the same time in the fall. I do not think the 1D Mk IIIn rumor will become a reality though.

[timbop]

Rather than dreaming, I'd like to suggest 2 things that seem at least somewhat likely IMHO:

1. the 1dm3 is 2 years old, and hasn't had the most spectacular repution. It's predecessors were the undisputed champs of their time, so expect Canon to try and redeem themselves.

2. the 50/1.4 suddenly became extremely scarce, and those that are available are much more expensive. It could just be that a lot of new 5dm2 owners want a normal lens, but there seems to be more to it. The sigma has gotten a lot of attention, and everywhere else in the consumer lineup are prime lenses with ring USM: 28/1.8, 85/1.8, 100/2, 135/2.8SF

[John_TX]

Rather than dreaming, I'd like to suggest 2 things that seem at least somewhat likely IMHO:

1. the 1dm3 is 2 years old, and hasn't had the most spectacular repution. It's predecessors were the undisputed champs of their time, so expect Canon to try and redeem themselves.

2. the 50/1.4 suddenly became extremely scarce, and those that are available are much more expensive. It could just be that a lot of new 5dm2 owners want a normal lens, but there seems to be more to it. The sigma has gotten a lot of attention, and everywhere else in the consumer lineup are prime lenses with ring USM: 28/1.8, 85/1.8, 100/2, 135/2.8SF

I would agree fully with both statements.
Canon's "affordable" primes are honestly pretty pitiful.
The EF 24 f/2.8, EF 28 f/2.8, and EF 35 f/2 are pretty much useless.
All of those lenses are negated by the 17-55IS f2.8 or the 24-70 on FF. I would say the zooms also produce better IQ than those three primes as well (stop for stop).
Canon's only option for FASTER primes are 35 f/1.4 @ $1200 and the EF 24 f/1.4 @ $1700. Not much of a choice for the non-pro user.
Canon forces the average user to pick up primes from Sigma and other 3rd parties.
Besides, people who make a living with their gear would continue buying Canon L glass even if Canon were to release a faster USM line of primes in the $400-$600 range.

[boxy]

I still hold out hope that Canon will release a cheap full frame body based on technology that works and that has been in production for years.

Here's my dear Canon letter:
Dear Canon,
There seems to be a gaping hole at the AUD$2200-2400 mark in your camera lineup. How about taking that old sensor from the 5D, the one which you’ve recouped all the R&D costs on and now everything else is gravy, tweaking it for 14 bit RAW files, combining it with a Digic IV processor and sticking it in a body for those of us who are craving a reasonably well priced full frame DSLR? There are enough of us out there who couldn’t care less about movie mode and just want a full frame camera that’s affordably priced, can do say 6.5 fps and will take our EF lenses.

[The Fox]

Amen....one that actually works.

If Nikon burps out an AF-s 135 f 2.0 before Canon releases an MKIV, I am out of here.......
Nikon has been getting on the canon bandwagon. They came out with the 24-70mm F2.8, and the AF-S 50mm F1.4 to keep up with canon. They also made a over 20mp FF CMOS top of the line body, and a mid range FF body(D700). They also use CMOS sensors instead of CCD. The older nikon's are horrible compared to the canons, they are still behind of canon at this point. I remember hearing from nikon- "We don't see the need for Full Frame DSLR".
Nick

[KenjiS]

I'm thinking Canon held back last year and will deliver this year

At least i hope so :X

[JeffreyG]

I'm thinking Canon held back last year and will deliver this year

At least i hope so :X

Uh, 50D and 5D2......this is not 'holding back'.

[KenjiS]

Uh, 50D and 5D2......this is not 'holding back'.

Er sorry..

I meant more lens wise :X

Yes I know, 200 f/2L, 800 f/5.6 and the 24 f/1.4L prime :/

But they seemed to concentrate either on entry level point and shoot bait products and pro products and nothing for us middle people :/ At least thats how i felt...

[JeffreyG]

Er sorry..

I meant more lens wise :X

Yes I know, 200 f/2L, 800 f/5.6 and the 24 f/1.4L prime :/

But they seemed to concentrate either on entry level point and shoot bait products and pro products and nothing for us middle people :/ At least thats how i felt...

Could be worse, all Nikon wants to do is release 18-XX DX lenses.

17-55DX
18-55DX
18-70DX
18-105DX
18-135DX
18-200DX

How many lenses do they really need in this range?

[KenjiS]

Could be worse, all Nikon wants to do is release 18-XX DX lenses.

17-55DX
18-55DX
18-70DX
18-105DX
18-135DX
18-200DX

How many lenses do they really need in this range?

This is true :/

But at least they have the 16-85!

THats a lens I WISH Canon would give us an equivalent to o_o

a good old 24-105 VR-style for crop..

But thats asking too much huh -_-

[John_TX]

This is true :/

But at least they have the 16-85!

THats a lens I WISH Canon would give us an equivalent to o_o

a good old 24-105 VR-style for crop..

But thats asking too much huh -_-

I'd easily pay about $1k for a L quality 15-70IS.
Now THAT would be a true 24-105 IS replacement!

[KenjiS]

I'd easily pay about $1k for a L quality 15-70IS.
Now THAT would be a true 24-105 IS replacement!

so long as they gave it better build than the 17-55!

Sorry, no offense, but the 17-55 is just not built for its price!

[Collin85]

I'm really hoping Canon releases a quality medium telephoto to accompany the 10-22 and 17-55. Complete the 'holy trinity of zooms' for crop. I've always felt the 70-200 to be weird on a crop. Something like a Canon 50-150 f/2.8 IS would be excellent and probably enough to make me wanna sell my extremely sharp 70-200 f/4L IS.

[John_TX]

so long as they gave it better build than the 17-55!

Sorry, no offense, but the 17-55 is just not built for its price!

I agree, that's why I don't own a 17-55. It's build quality dictates a lens that should be selling in the ~$649-$749 MSRP range.
I don't care what people say, "oh it's f2.8" or "oh it has IS".
Tamron sells a 17-50 f2.8 lens for $395.
The 17-55IS is currently at $1030 ($949 on rebate). $600 more for IS and a Canon label when Canon put both on the 18-55IS lens for $40 bucks.

Heck, I only paid ~$350 more for the 70-200F4 IS (compared to the non-IS version) and that $350 got me IS, weather sealing, and slightly sharper optics!

But back to PMA: I think we'll see a 1D Mk IV and a new Rebel series (if they keep the same name) 500D I'd guess. The 450D was released last January/Feb, so it wouldn't surprise me to see a 15MP 500D.
Maybe Canon will one-up the 50D by making the 500D a 17~18MP sensor.
Wouldn't that be a disaster! The higher MP count of the 450D compared to the 40D, and the 50D vs. 40D, and the 5D Mk II vs 1DsIII has produced tons of bickering.
I can't even fathom what a 17 or 18MP Rebel 500D would yield!

[KenjiS]

I agree, that's why I don't own a 17-55. It's build quality dictates a lens that should be selling in the ~$649-$749 MSRP range.
I don't care what people say, "oh it's f2.8" or "oh it has IS".
Tamron sells a 17-50 f2.8 lens for $395.
The 17-55IS is currently at $1030 ($949 on rebate). $600 more for IS and a Canon label when Canon put both on the 18-55IS lens for $40 bucks.

Heck, I only paid ~$350 more for the 70-200F4 IS (compared to the non-IS version) and that $350 got me IS, weather sealing, and slightly sharper optics!

But back to PMA: I think we'll see a 1D Mk IV and a new Rebel series (if they keep the same name) 500D I'd guess. The 450D was released last January/Feb, so it wouldn't surprise me to see a 15MP 500D.
Maybe Canon will one-up the 50D by making the 500D a 17~18MP sensor.
Wouldn't that be a disaster! The higher MP count of the 450D compared to the 40D, and the 50D vs. 40D, and the 5D Mk II vs 1DsIII has produced tons of bickering.
I can't even fathom what a 17 or 18MP Rebel 500D would yield!

I sold my 17-55 recently, it was a great lens, but i found the range very ho-hum for anything indoors photography, wherein i could still manage with a 50mm f/1.4 prime and my 10-20 im betting! I'm thinking of getting a 70-200 f/4L IS but I cant shake my old mantra of "Speed solves everything" >.o

And i can fathom what a 17 or 18mp Rebel would yield

NOISE

Lots of it, it would be HORRIBLE :/

Megapixel race needs to end NOW

[condyk]

This is true :/

But at least they have the 16-85!

THats a lens I WISH Canon would give us an equivalent to o_o

a good old 24-105 VR-style for crop..

But thats asking too much huh -_-

There is the 17-85 IS but that sucks for the money. I have the 16-85mm VR and it is a super sweet lens for the outings when I don't go prime ... and build is great, way better in that regard than the nice IQ'd but badly build 17-55mm 2.8 IS.

[KenjiS]

There is the 17-85 IS but that sucks for the money. I have the 16-85mm VR and it is a super sweet lens for the outings when I don't go prime ... and build is great, way better in that regard than the nice IQ'd but badly build 17-55mm 2.8 IS.

I handled one once when i strongly was thinking of going Nikon, it made me want to go Nikon pretty badly..

But to be honest, I still like many things about Canon...and if I switched or got a second camera to use a second system with, I would probubly get a Sony a900 because it would have the most lenses I'm interested in [135 f/1.8 CZ, 70-300G, 17-35 CZ, 24-70 CZ...] the appeal of the Zeiss is strong in this one!

[skulpt]

I would LOVE to see a 500 5.6L IS. There really is a big gap in price between the 400 5.6L and the 500 4L IS. It would be smaller than the 500 4L IS, lighter, and cheaper obviously. I'd pay an in between price for sure for one of these.

I'm expecting the new Rebel to be announced for sure though. If it has the same video features of the 5D2, I might pick it up for that alone.

[KenjiS]

Breaking news on that Sigma front

http://www.canonrumors.com/2009/02/new-sigma-lenses-cr2/

Seems they're bringing a 10-20 f/2.8 [!!!!!] a 70-300 OS and a 70-200 f/2.8 OS to PMA!

Wonder if the 70-300 OS happens to be a 70-300 f/4 OS??? Replacement/upgrade for the 100-300 anyone?

[John_TX]

Breaking news on that Sigma front

http://www.canonrumors.com/2009/02/new-sigma-lenses-cr2/

Seems they're bringing a 10-20 f/2.8 [!!!!!] a 70-300 OS and a 70-200 f/2.8 OS to PMA!

Wonder if the 70-300 OS happens to be a 70-300 f/4 OS??? Replacement/upgrade for the 100-300 anyone?

I am interested to see the lens layout inside the 10-20 f2.8.
Having both the Canon 10-22 & Tokina 11-16 f/2.8, I kind of have my doubts as to whether Sigma pulled it off with the 10-20 f2.8.
Both the Canon & Tokina are great in their own respects due to the sacrifices made in their designs.
(Canon = slower & variable aperture to keep it reasonably affordable; Tokina = reduced focal length to increase IQ and simplify design, it's like a prime)

[KenjiS]

I am interested to see the lens layout inside the 10-20 f2.8.
Having both the Canon 10-22 & Tokina 11-16 f/2.8, I kind of have my doubts as to whether Sigma pulled it off with the 10-20 f2.8.
Both the Canon & Tokina are great in their own respects due to the sacrifices made in their designs.
(Canon = slower & variable aperture to keep it reasonably affordable; Tokina = reduced focal length to increase IQ and simplify design, it's like a prime)

Yeh..if Sigma pulled that off I will be impressed

[pieq314]

I wonder when will Sigma upgrade the 120-300mm f/2.8 to "OS"?

[Tobers]

I'm holding off purchase of a new compact as I rally want to see what Olympus brings out. If they have a micro-four-thirds compact and the ability to slot some fast lenses on then that'll be me sorted.

I've looked at a G10 and an LX3, but want that bigger sensor....

[KenjiS]

I'm holding off purchase of a new compact as I rally want to see what Olympus brings out. If they have a micro-four-thirds compact and the ability to slot some fast lenses on then that'll be me sorted.

I've looked at a G10 and an LX3, but want that bigger sensor....

Eh, From what I saw of the lens reviews at photozone.de I'm not sure I'm really sold on the Micro 4/3 yet..

Its worries me that they'd switch to a new mount so early in its life..

And personally I'd get a G10 :X I really liked it the other day in Best Buy when I was bored!

[mie]

Personally if nothing new comes out.. I wouldn't really mind.. Especially with the economy in the current situation..

How about at Canon's booth at the PMA'09 a big signboard written with the following..


"Dear Canon Users,

Sorry NO new releases for PMA'09 but we will be REDUCING THE PRICES of all Canon Photo Products by 20-30% all over the world... Have a nice year ahead.."

:p I can dream can't I??:p

[KenjiS]

Well theres Canon's first PMA anouncement

2 new tilt shift lenses and polarizers...

Please tell me they usually have more than that every year

[John_TX]

Well theres Canon's first PMA anouncement

2 new tilt shift lenses and polarizers...

Please tell me they usually have more than that every year

I'm guessing there MIGHT be another press release around Tuesday, 2/24, since PMA officially doesn't start until March 1, 2009.

The XSi is now 12 months old & due to be replaced if they continue the 12-month upgrade cycle on the xxxD series.

I'm still holding out hope for the release of another lens or two as I just can't see Canon going almost a year without the release of some more mainstream type lenses! And no, the EF 24 f/1.4 II and the two new TS-E lenses are not what I would consider mainstream lenses...

Their next release after PMA probably won't be until Fall 2009 sometime, so I think there's some pressure for them to kick out at least another lens.

[KenjiS]

I'm guessing there MIGHT be another press release around Tuesday, 2/24, since PMA officially doesn't start until March 1, 2009.

The XSi is now 12 months old & due to be replaced if they continue the 12-month upgrade cycle on the xxxD series.

I'm still holding out hope for the release of another lens or two as I just can't see Canon going almost a year without the release of some more mainstream type lenses! And no, the EF 24 f/1.4 II and the two new TS-E lenses are not what I would consider mainstream lenses...

Their next release after PMA probably won't be until Fall 2009 sometime, so I think there's some pressure for them to kick out at least another lens.

I know! thats my large complaint right now WHAT THE HECK? How many TS-E lenses do you think Canon moves in a year? maybe 10k..MAYBE

the 24-70 and 100-400 sell more and both are being SCREAMED To be updated

The 50mm f/1.4 as well!

So come on Canon wtf! Unless they're going to do something like refresh the 50 f/1.4 the 85 f/1.8 and the 35 f/2 all at once..

[Perry Ge]

Well theres Canon's first PMA anouncement

2 new tilt shift lenses and polarizers...

Please tell me they usually have more than that every year

Why? Did you hype yourself up for the show or something? There was nothing exciting at PMA last year at all from Canon AFAIK. This is 10 times more exciting than last year, those TS-E lenses are gonna rock a lot of peoples' worlds - not people on this forum maybe, but tilt shift lenses are huge in commercial photography.

Nobody is obliged to announce stuff at trade shows anyway, they can do it any time they want, any time of the year. Fall is bigger than this time of year generally, post Christmas, I don't think we've gotten anything more than a Rebel for years now.

Plus I am PRETTY sure this is it for Canon. They usually announce everything all at one pre-PMA.

[datadump]

yup i think this is it. tilt shift's look impressive but nothing i'd spend my money on.

[Perry Ge]

Yeah I think that's it too, but I'm really impressed. Canon listened to the photographers on this one (something they've been accused of not doing lately, unlike Nikon), and it shows. Folks aren't gonna be modding their TS-E lenses anymore since they've finally made it so the two can be adjusted indepedently. I think these will sell extremely well and really put Canon ahead in a lot of commercial photography. Not only is 17mm mad wide, and ridiculous in a TS-E lens, but cropped body users finally have a wide angle TS-E lens - and it truly is something that only Canon provides.

[Bob_A]

yup i think this is it. tilt shift's look impressive but nothing i'd spend my money on.

They anounced a whole bunch of Ixus and Powershot P&S's along with the tilt shift lenses. That's probably going to be it.

I'm still hoping a Sigma 70-300 OS is a reality. Make mine a constant f/4 please Sigma! :) Given that Sigma just announced a couple of 70-300's I doubt if this rumour is going to come true though.

[KenjiS]

Why? Did you hype yourself up for the show or something? There was nothing exciting at PMA last year at all from Canon AFAIK. This is 10 times more exciting than last year, those TS-E lenses are gonna rock a lot of peoples' worlds - not people on this forum maybe, but tilt shift lenses are huge in commercial photography.

Nobody is obliged to announce stuff at trade shows anyway, they can do it any time they want, any time of the year. Fall is bigger than this time of year generally, post Christmas, I don't think we've gotten anything more than a Rebel for years now.

Plus I am PRETTY sure this is it for Canon. They usually announce everything all at one pre-PMA.

Eh :/

I know that full and well, I had hoped thered have been something more consumer level thats all...

And don't get me wrong, I AM excited by the TS-E 17mm, I would gladly love to own one! But as of right now I dont have the cash, and if i did I'd probubly get a 300 f/2.8L

[primoz]

Personally I don't care about reduced prices... I care about properly working tool, which at the moment doesn't exist in Canon line... at least not there where I'm looking. So reduced price of 1dmk3 doesn't mean much if that piece of sh*** still doesn't work properly. And no it still doesn't. And no it's not a rumor but I tried myself, few cameras with all sorts of dots.
So I do hope, that today's announcement is not everything they will be putting out. Otherwise we will be really considering jumping ships.:(

[GBRandy]

Personally I don't care about reduced prices... I care about properly working tool, which at the moment doesn't exist in Canon line... at least not there where I'm looking. So reduced price of 1dmk3 doesn't mean much if that piece of sh*** still doesn't work properly. And no it still doesn't. And no it's not a rumor but I tried myself, few cameras with all sorts of dots.
So I do hope, that today's announcement is not everything they will be putting out. Otherwise we will be really considering jumping ships.:(

That post is just like Mary Poppins! Practically Perfect In Every Way :)

I agree 10000%

Not at least announcing a 1DMKIIIn or 1DMKIV would probably mark the end of a short lived Canon experiment for me....not that anyone really cares anyway ;)

[Jannie]

Canon needs to come up with competition for Nikon's D90 which by every account I've read and owner I've talked to, is excellent, even with the cheaply constructed kit lenses, they apparently perform well.

It' a little larger than the XSi and quite a bit nicer, higher priced yes; but I'm not suggesting Canon replace the XSi because it's still a great entry level camera but I really do need to see something in between the XSi and the 50D. I belong to a photographers group with people of all levels of experience down to just owning a point and shoot and yet these same people are able to use the internet services to produce some pretty nice photo books considering what they are working with, actually some pretty impressive stuff in a few cases. This translates to being people who are using their cameras, buying printers and actually taking in most cases really good photographs, but those all around me are moving to Nikon as they get into DSLR's.

I am asked all the time what DSLR should they move up to and I cannot suggest the XSi with the Nikon offerings sitting there. In a matter of minutes just getting to play with cameras laying around the table, one man started by considering the D90 and immediately justified a D300 for his first DSLR and started talking lenses.

This and the fact that Nikon's advertising is way better than Canon's. The other fact is that Nikon is really pushing the lower market better and to be honest, I'm really seeing great images come out of these less expensive cameras that Nikon is putting out. Why, because that's what everyone around me in the beginner DSLR category are buying. Otherwise my Canon friends mostly have 5D's, 1DsMKII, 1DMKIII, 1DsMKIII, and one who has a 40D and with me trying to convince the newbies that glass is where it's at, because by comparison we don't really feel we have something competitive to talk about. Are we less the Canon enthusiasts, no but we are hoping that our next Canons will be all that they can be.

May I be clear, I don't like Nikon DSLRs, I don't like operating them, handling them and looking through them, but the one's I've messed with do produce really good photos and they have the appeal of the new people to the DSLR scene and as we know, most of us are going to be brand loyal from where we start.

As a consumer from the non-professional sector ( or should I say ex-professional sector) it really looks like in the non professional market that Nikon is grabbing the public's attention. Start with brand loyalty by getting their cameras in the hands of the beginners and as many of them grow into professional or simply really excellent work, they will mostly be buying the same brand as what took care of them so well in the beginning.

Does this remind you of anything, like the history of Canon in their beginning when Nikon and Leica ruled the world of photography; the story goes as I remember, that Canon asked professionals how to get them to use their cameras and the answer was, (my own interpretation) put them in our hands so we can use them, I don't remember how exactly Canon did that but at the time I remember a Nikon shooter who was getting his stuff on the covers of Life Magazine telling me that he'd just purchased two Canon (film) bodies and two telephoto Canon lenses because "they work". But he still shot Nikon for everything else.

Nikon had the wonderful promotion where they went to a small town and handed over a whole pile of D40's and asked people to take pictures with them and then published a large number of those photos in the magazines. Brilliant, simply outstandingly brilliant advertising and I was one of the first to applaud them.

Canon, we are loyal but get you're seemingly arrogant heads out of the sand and help us here! You are the best, but the way Nikon is progressing, if they come out with new primes as good as yours, they already have excellent camera bodies in the D90, D300, D700, D3 and the newer D3x or something like that. They are very close a the heels and could be ahead of the game (lookit darnit, Nikon is a little company, maybe they've got some genius there that doesn't need a Harvard MBA and uses someone who's creative instead to tell them that business will not win with old methods in this day and time.

Please offer me a D90 equivalent that I can put in my friends hands and tell them it's better than a D90. And oh by the way, Nikon seems to be the cameras my local and very large store really seems to be most enthusiastic about as well, even though they have been selling Canon gear to the pros for decades.

End of RANT!

[KenjiS]

Agree with you there Jannie, 100%

I can count so many times I've wanted a Nikon over a Canon, the 50D doesnt "excite" me like a D300 does, the 70-200 f/2.8 IS doesnt excite me like a 70-200 f/2.8 VR (I know thats completely illogical, but id rather have the Nikkor there, I just would) I'd kill for a 100mm macro with IS in it!! and Nikon's flash system is VERY good (Probubly better than Canon's, I've read a lot of articles that said Canon still cant do it right)

While im getting more lenses for my 30D I do see myself getting a D200 and some lenses because I do NOT have this confidence in Canon like I used to, I considered sending my Tamron 70-200 back and selling off my 30D and 10-20 here and wiping my hands of Canon entirely, picking up a D200 or a D90 and a few lenses (I'd probubly only end up with 1 less lens)

I sit here and I look at Canons lineup, and I sit here and build a system out of Sigmas and Tamrons instead because I just dont feel the value in a lot of the Canon product anymore...the EF-S stuff is built like junk, and the L stuff I feel sometimes has too high a premium put on it (And for 70-200s and such I want BLACK)

****..typing this makes me want to send my 70-200 back and sell my 30D :( Its really depressing (Though id exchange the Tamron probubly for the Nikon mount version)

[John_TX]

Agree with you there Jannie, 100%

I can count so many times I've wanted a Nikon over a Canon, the 50D doesnt "excite" me like a D300 does, the 70-200 f/2.8 IS doesnt excite me like a 70-200 f/2.8 VR (I know thats completely illogical, but id rather have the Nikkor there, I just would) I'd kill for a 100mm macro with IS in it!! and Nikon's flash system is VERY good (Probubly better than Canon's, I've read a lot of articles that said Canon still cant do it right)

While im getting more lenses for my 30D I do see myself getting a D200 and some lenses because I do NOT have this confidence in Canon like I used to, I considered sending my Tamron 70-200 back and selling off my 30D and 10-20 here and wiping my hands of Canon entirely, picking up a D200 or a D90 and a few lenses (I'd probubly only end up with 1 less lens)

I sit here and I look at Canons lineup, and I sit here and build a system out of Sigmas and Tamrons instead because I just dont feel the value in a lot of the Canon product anymore...the EF-S stuff is built like junk, and the L stuff I feel sometimes has too high a premium put on it (And for 70-200s and such I want BLACK)

****..typing this makes me want to send my 70-200 back and sell my 30D :( Its really depressing (Though id exchange the Tamron probubly for the Nikon mount version)

From purely a price perspective, I priced out decent kit with both companies better glass (all in the same focal lengths) and the Nikon came out about $600-$700 more if I remember correctly.

I have nothing against Nikon and maybe their glass is worth the extra money, but compared to the same L-glass from Canon, the Nikon line up was significantly more expensive.

[KenjiS]

From purely a price perspective, I priced out decent kit with both companies better glass (all in the same focal lengths) and the Nikon came out about $600-$700 more if I remember correctly.

I have nothing against Nikon and maybe their glass is worth the extra money, but compared to the same L-glass from Canon, the Nikon line up was significantly more expensive.

True, but then again, Nikon makes a 16-85 I'd buy

Canon does not, and thats a lens I really WANT (And am stuck getting a Sigma 18-125 OS instead because I will not touch another EF-S lens, I hate them that fricking much)

You see I keep concentrating on the price when at my heart I DO like the Nikon bodies for several reasons (Putting the DOF preview button somewhere i can more easily use it without shuffling my hand all around is one of them, and another is giving me 11-51 AF points instead of 9)

I love my 30D for a lot of reasons but sometimes i do just wish I had a Nikon for others :/

Which I had finally decided to keep my Canon (Because I felt it would be a hassle to switch) and here I am back again

Something tells me if i was REALLY sure with Canon I would not waver like this every damn week it seems and sit here wanting for features I know Canon will never build into the xxD line because it would crush sales of the 1D

[John_TX]

True, but then again, Nikon makes a 16-85 I'd buy

Canon does not, and thats a lens I really WANT (And am stuck getting a Sigma 18-125 OS instead because I will not touch another EF-S lens, I hate them that fricking much)

You see I keep concentrating on the price when at my heart I DO like the Nikon bodies for several reasons (Putting the DOF preview button somewhere i can more easily use it without shuffling my hand all around is one of them, and another is giving me 11-51 AF points instead of 9)

I love my 30D for a lot of reasons but sometimes i do just wish I had a Nikon for others :/

Which I had finally decided to keep my Canon (Because I felt it would be a hassle to switch) and here I am back again

Something tells me if i was REALLY sure with Canon I would not waver like this every damn week it seems and sit here wanting for features I know Canon will never build into the xxD line because it would crush sales of the 1D

In a way, I like the fact that Canon doesn't put every bell, whistle, Tom, Dick, and Harry on their bodies.
I like Canon for their more utilitarian design/features. I also can't stand the "look" of Nikon's bodies or their lenses.
It's just something subconsciously finds them unappealing; but that's just me, even though I know they make excellent products.

Also, 51 AF points is way overkill. I don't care who you are, you don't need 51AF points. Granted, 9 is cutting it slim, but anywhere from 15-25 AF points would be more than enough. I think you reach a point with 51pts where the viewfinder becomes too cluttered and difficult to see through.
I would much rather Canon increase the QUALITY of their AF system instead of merely increasing the quantity of AF points.

[KenjiS]

In a way, I like the fact that Canon doesn't put every bell, whistle, Tom, Dick, and Harry on their bodies.
I like Canon for their more utilitarian design/features. I also can't stand the "look" of Nikon's bodies or their lenses.
It's just something subconsciously finds them unappealing; but that's just me, even though I know they make excellent products.

Also, 51 AF points is way overkill. I don't care who you are, you don't need 51AF points. Granted, 9 is cutting it slim, but anywhere from 15-25 AF points would be more than enough. I think you reach a point with 51pts where the viewfinder becomes too cluttered and difficult to see through.
I would much rather Canon increase the QUALITY of their AF system instead of merely increasing the quantity of AF points.

That might be nice :/ I came from an EOS-3 and I've never liked the focusing quality of my 30D no matter what lens I had on it, but thats because I had an EOS-3, I have never used a 40D or a 50D to see if they're any better....

and you're right, 51 is excessive most likely

The other reason is most of my friends have Nikon, I'm the sole Canon shooter in my entire group, the prospect of sharing and trading lenses with them would be lovely except I CANT :/

oh and another lens I wish I had, 10.5mm DX Fisheye, its actually cheaper than the Sigma last time I looked...

I'd have the 14-24 over the 16-35 if I went to a full frame camera, and I'd rather have a D700 to a 5D Mark II

And on design, I like that Nikon gives you a dial and a lever to control most functions and puts the DOF preview button on the RIGHT SIDE of the camera, and not the left, I do not like having to move my hand off my zoom ring/supporting the lens back to try to find the stupid tiny hard to find button on the left of the lens mount, its been 3 years and I still cant find it and I use it a LOT (Nikon sticks it right under your pointer finger, the EOS-3 had it on the right side of the lens mount where i could hit it with my pinky easily enough as well, if i want that feature now I have to get an EOS-1D)

I also find Nikon's AF point selection a lot quicker and easier than the Canon system of using the rear dial, I like Nikon includes gridline display via an option in the viewfinder versus my current "I cant have them" or "I have to buy a focus screen"

I like I dont have to buy lens hoods with most of the Nikon lenses I look at, I like that they have a 16-85mm lens and its not built like a piece of junk!

Keep in mind I started shooting Nikon years ago..I switched to Canon because things were looking bleak and sometimes wish I had stayed with them...

Its just I feel like I'm being forced to get a EOS-1D just to get a couple minor things I want out of a camera..a better AF system and the DOF preview button on the right side of the camera where its convenient for me, so I'm either buying an ex-professional used EOS-1D Mark II or not getting a new camera...and on top of that I dont really WANT 1.3x crop, I like my 1.6x crop a lot, but I cant get the handling features I care about without giving that up :/

Yes this got long winded, I know that, but the sad thing is I cant name many reasons RIGHT NOW I want a Canon..every single next lens purchase I'm thinking of making is a Sigma, because I cant get anything from Canon I'm terribly excited about, if I switched to Nikon admittedly, that might not change except for the 16-85 instead of a 18-125....if all my equipment was destroyed RIGHT NOW i cant say I'd rebuy it all as Canon...

Sure an 85 f/1.2L is nice, but I'd probubly rarely use it, Would I like a 300 f/2.8L IS? Yes but I can get a Nikon 300 f/2.8 VR instead....Will I ever get a 400 or 500 prime? I dont know actually, but if Idid that many years down the line...The 17mm TS-E interests me, but its way beyond my budget and would be near the absolute bottom of the list for me on "what lens to buy" I'd probubly stash away more and go for a 200 f/2L instead...

Now is Canon bad? No..Canon makes great equipment, they make great bodies and lenses and despite my complaints, the 30D is an excellent example of a camera! its far better than the D70 I owned...

Maybe I need to try a 50D or something at this point, I don't know..all I know is I can never find one to actually try

[JeffreyG]

In a way, I like the fact that Canon doesn't put every bell, whistle, Tom, Dick, and Harry on their bodies.
I like Canon for their more utilitarian design/features. I also can't stand the "look" of Nikon's bodies or their lenses.
It's just something subconsciously finds them unappealing; but that's just me, even though I know they make excellent products.

Also, 51 AF points is way overkill. I don't care who you are, you don't need 51AF points. Granted, 9 is cutting it slim, but anywhere from 15-25 AF points would be more than enough. I think you reach a point with 51pts where the viewfinder becomes too cluttered and difficult to see through.
I would much rather Canon increase the QUALITY of their AF system instead of merely increasing the quantity of AF points.

I'm not totally familiar with the Nikon system, but is it really a 51 point selectable system? Or is it like my 45 point 1D3 where only 19 points are really user selectable and the rest are assist? And can one divide the selectable points into groups to further reduce the selection chore?

I can't speak to the Nikons, but on a 1D3 the 45 points sound like a crazy high number until you realize how the system works. Then you understand it isn't the number of points that matters. It's the cross points at the periphery and the awesome speed and accuracy of all of the user selectable points that is what makes a 1D so awesome.

[KenjiS]

I'm not totally familiar with the Nikon system, but is it really a 51 point selectable system? Or is it like my 45 point 1D3 where only 19 points are really user selectable and the rest are assist? And can one divide the selectable points into groups to further reduce the selection chore?

I can't speak to the Nikons, but on a 1D3 the 45 points sound like a crazy high number until you realize how the system works. Then you understand it isn't the number of points that matters. It's the cross points at the periphery and the awesome speed and accuracy of all of the user selectable points that is what makes a 1D so awesome.

They are, I used a D300 in a store and i remember how nice it is ;)

And my EOS-3 had full 45-point AF, I thought the 1D series used the same AF equipment

Oh and I always come back to Canon after the Nikon doubting happens...Weird huh?

[JeffreyG]

They are, I used a D300 in a store and i remember how nice it is ;)

And my EOS-3 had full 45-point AF, I thought the 1D series used the same AF equipment

Oh and I always come back to Canon after the Nikon doubting happens...Weird huh?

I do not want 45 or 51 user selectable points. This makes the selection method slow no matter how you set it up. One way or another there must be a way to scroll through all 51 frikkin' points which is nuts.

The 1D3 has 19 user selectable (cross type) points. These are the center, and outer ring and an inner ring. There are Custom Functions that make these work in a fashion I can only describe as 'awesome'.

1. You can use all points, only the inner ring or only the outer ring.
2. You can enable none, a couple or a group of the assist points as desired.
3. You can set your favorite point in the memory and then toggle between the center point and your favorite point by pressing the joystick.

I've used several AF systems and nothing beats the 1D3 for configuration flexibility, speed and overall performance. It totally rocks.

[KenjiS]

I do not want 45 or 51 user selectable points. This makes the selection method slow no matter how you set it up. One way or another there must be a way to scroll through all 51 frikkin' points which is nuts.

The 1D3 has 19 user selectable (cross type) points. These are the center, and outer ring and an inner ring. There are Custom Functions that make these work in a fashion I can only describe as 'awesome'.

1. You can use all points, only the inner ring or only the outer ring.
2. You can enable none, a couple or a group of the assist points as desired.
3. You can set your favorite point in the memory and then toggle between the center point and your favorite point by pressing the joystick.

I've used several AF systems and nothing beats the 1D3 for configuration flexibility, speed and overall performance. It totally rocks.

Ah

And its not that bad, you just use Nikon's rear controller to cycle through them

The EOS-3 had it wherein you used the two dials like an etch a sketch, it took getting used to but worked good actually, you could limit the points to 15, 11 or 7 iirc however to make it even quicker (Which then if i remember right enabled the rest as assist)

[John_TX]

Ah

And its not that bad, you just use Nikon's rear controller to cycle through them

The EOS-3 had it wherein you used the two dials like an etch a sketch, it took getting used to but worked good actually, you could limit the points to 15, 11 or 7 iirc however to make it even quicker (Which then if i remember right enabled the rest as assist)

Yeah, if Canon ever adds that many AF points to non-1D series bodies, I would hope they would allow you to program custom AF point arrays. E.g. give you a setup screen that allows you to enable/disable individual points and save maybe 5 of those different "setups".
The ability to toggle between a couple different AF point configurations would be awesome.

[Bob_A]

Yeah, if Canon ever adds that many AF points to non-1D series bodies, I would hope they would allow you to program custom AF point arrays. E.g. give you a setup screen that allows you to enable/disable individual points and save maybe 5 of those different "setups".
The ability to toggle between a couple different AF point configurations would be awesome.

That's a pretty neat idea John.

[KenjiS]

Yeah, if Canon ever adds that many AF points to non-1D series bodies, I would hope they would allow you to program custom AF point arrays. E.g. give you a setup screen that allows you to enable/disable individual points and save maybe 5 of those different "setups".
The ability to toggle between a couple different AF point configurations would be awesome.

Thats a really cool idea!

I'd love what nikon does wherein you can sit there and have a precise "point" or an "area" ie, a group of 3 of the focus points (Or an extended area around one point)

its tough to explain but basically you can switch the AF points from small "points" to a big "area" around the point...

[S.Horton]

So, anyone want to bet when you'll actually be able to BUY a new TS-E model?

[John_TX]

So, anyone want to bet when you'll actually be able to BUY a new TS-E model?

Canon said May, but I'm thinking mid to late June.

[S.Horton]

Even then, when could mere mortals, such as ourselves, actually get one?

August?

Sept?

[primoz]

Also, 51 AF points is way overkill. I don't care who you are, you don't need 51AF points. Granted, 9 is cutting it slim, but anywhere from 15-25 AF points would be more than enough.
Sure based on discussions here, you really don't need more then one single af point... center one, and then you recompose.
In reality, at least with most of sport shooters (and probably quite few others too), you need every single one. And 45 af points of old 1d is perfectly fine. 19 selectable af points of 1dmk3 is definitely worse option. I used both, and I still prefer old 1d af with all points selectable. Would I like 51 af points? Sure, especially if they would cover bigger area of viewfinder.

[Atlandis]

True, but then again, Nikon makes a 16-85 I'd buy



Oh dear.. dont buy this lense.. well Ive trained and I still have and honour it every day :).. an eos 5.. since 1998

But half year ago I decided to jumb in dslr world and bought a d300 with this lense. (I bought d300 because of all this GREAT noise the best crop model, etc etc.. plus the greek canon dealer is bad.. not supporting as they should the canon custmers.. just draining money) The good news this dealer will stop in 6 months as canon will make an oficial center in Greece as well :)

The body was perfect SOOOO happy with it (I never used 51 points, not even to see how it looks like) but the lense had something really bad.. vignette almost at all appertures and range!! something that its not a future to vignette even at 16f!!!
I was ready after a big job i took to make a massive order from nikon with ff body 4-5 lenses ++ and keep d300 as a backup body.

anyway.. nikon said its a future of the lense, I sold my d300 and I gave all my money to canon again, it delayd me a bit for ff but I havent regrated it at all.. I am 100% happy and possitive for my canons now.. And after all this I can say that I ook my lesson. Canon sells quality products even if the semi builts is pure or whatever, compared.. they do what they say they do!! :) and no worries...

As for the 16-85 nobody is buying it because its faulty.. and in Greece its not a cheap lense.. it cost 640 euro!.

[Southswede]

Oh dear.. dont buy this lense.. well Ive trained and I still have and honour it every day :).. an eos 5.. since 1998


As for the 16-85 nobody is buying it because its faulty.. and in Greece its not a cheap lense.. it cost 640 euro!.

You must have gotten a bad lens. I sold off all my Canon stuff when I was disapointed by the 50D. I got the D300 and the 16-85 lens. The 16-85 lens is FANTASTIC!!

[Atlandis]

I know! and I tried nikon service.. after I sold every nikon sign i had because of their service and the way they behave in lenses like that (except this lense..)., so i changed brand not because i got disappointed but because nikon make me feel insecure for their products and quality of service. It was fair enough to give a HUGE ammount to canon after :) and still counting.

Have you tried canon support? Or ur expectations were greater than 50d...(not a faulty product).

I got 40d and I am in love with it. Imagine i had once d300 and I love my 40d.. because it does the job well.. I love te simple menus and 100 iso (as i dont care about AF.. I used to take shots in manual with my EOS)

A full frame camera really soon or 1.3 for heavy duty job, but 40d will be my beloved one..

[brian44]

So, anyone want to bet when you'll actually be able to BUY a new TS-E model?

I personally won't buy one till the Yen is a lot weaker. At the moment it is so ridiculously overpriced I'm thinking of going back to 5x4 for architecture.

[foxesamu]

Something about not liking his 16-85
You know that you probably got a lemon, right? Getting one bad lens is no reason to switch brands, but it seems as if Nikon's poor service made you switch. Right? I've never had to deal with them so I can't really comment. My D40 is flawless. :D

My dad's D80 on the other hand, whew... that is easily the worst Nikon DSLR made in the last few years. Known for awful metering and his is no exception. If I had done a bit of research before he went and bought, I would've nudged him towards another D40 or D60.

[condyk]

The body was perfect SOOOO happy with it (I never used 51 points, not even to see how it looks like) but the lense had something really bad.. vignette almost at all appertures and range!! something that its not a future to vignette even at 16f!!!

As for the 16-85 nobody is buying it because its faulty.. and in Greece its not a cheap lense.. it cost 640 euro!.

Bizarre ... I think you probably had the hood fitted wrong or something :lol::lol:

I have this lens and it's a superb walk-around range, well built, very good IQ throughout, and fairly priced. No problems.

[Atlandis]

No I never used hood. I used a UV with HSM but I removed it after a week as well.. Because the effect was very strong.

anyway.. This matter is not for PMA09..

lets hope nice stuff will come up and sooner than fall or whatever!! :)

I really like the idea of 1dmk3N comming out sooner than the predictions.. Because I am about to buy an ff body and 6 months its away to far from today..! after all we have to wait 2-3 months after release so we can buy... For the baby flu's, bugs..

[Southswede]

Bizarre ... I think you probably had the hood fitted wrong or something :lol::lol:

I have this lens and it's a superb walk-around range, well built, very good IQ throughout, and fairly priced. No problems.

Same here. It is a fantastic lens.

[Jacobredphoto]

I have a lot of questions about the PMA. I wouldn't think so but is there an age limit for the PMA? I am 15. Is it held in the same place every year? Can you take your own camera body and test the lenses out? How much does it cost for entrance?
Thanks so much.
Jacob