Photoshop CS2 Announced!

[Johnny V]

http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/pressroom/pressreleases/200404/040405Photoshop.html

Here's a bit of copy and paste...there's more at the link above:

Adobe Bridge and New Camera Raw Features Speed Imaging Workflows

With Photoshop CS2 software, finding and working with digital photos and images has never been easier. The popular File Browser has been upgraded to Adobe Bridge, which functions as a hub for productivity, imagery and creativity, providing multi-view file browsing and smooth cross-product integration across Adobe Creative Suite 2 software. Adobe Bridge also provides access to Adobe Stock Photos, a new stock photography service that offers users one-stop shopping — across five elite stock image providers — to deliver high-quality, royalty-free images for layout and design (see separate press release).


The new Camera Raw 3.0 workflow allows settings for multiple raw files to be simultaneously modified. In addition batch processing of raw files, to JPEG, TIFF, DNG or PSD formats, can now be done in the background without launching the main Photoshop executable. Integrated, non-destructive cropping and straightening controls allow raw files to be easily prepared for final output.


Simplifying Photoshop's rich interface, task-based menu presets make it easier to find the features needed for specific work. Users can create their own custom presets, highlighting favorite items and now have the ability to define event-based scripts and time-saving operations that execute automatically when triggered by actions, such as saving or printing a file. Multiple Layer Controls speeds editing, enabling the simultaneous selection and manipulation of numerous layers within a file.

[Citizensmith]

So the article starts "SAN JOSE, Calif. — April 4, 2005 — Adobe Systems Incorporated (Nasdaq:ADBE) today announced Adobe® Photoshop® CS2" Interesting date issue? A message from the future perhaps.

[Johnny V]

Looks like Adobe killed the link but I found another:

http://busca.adobe.com/search?q=cache:y0UhUp821TE:http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/pressroom/pressreleases/pdfs/200404/040405Photoshop.pdf+cs2&restrict=Adobe_com&site=AdobeCom&output=xml_no_dtd&client=AdobeCom&access=p&proxystylesheet=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.adobe.com%2Fspeci al%2Fsearch%2Fadobecom.xsl

And a PDF of the announcement:

http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/pressroom/pressreleases/pdfs/200404/040405Photoshop.pdf

[dphotomania]

damn and I just got cs! Is thats why they have the offer for $299??

[JBillings]

What's the ship date? Anyone know?

[Frederick Fisher]

Will Photoshop CS2 be able to use more RAM than it currently can? Why have 2Gb of RAM when Photoshop can only use a little more than half of it.

[defordphoto]

Geeze. That's too quick. Personally I find Photoshop CS to be a bloated pig and find myself using 7.01 more than CS.

[PacAce]

Will Photoshop CS2 be able to use more RAM than it currently can? Why have 2Gb of RAM when Photoshop can only use a little more than half of it.
Actually, PSCS can use up to 2GB of RAM. The only problem is that if you only have 2GB of RAM and PSCS took it all, then there wouldn't be any RAM left for the OS and other apps running at the same time and that wouldn't be a very pretty sight. :)

BTW, if you DID want PSCS to take more than half of your RAM, you can change that by going into the preferences panel and changing it.

[Johnny V]

If recently purchased CS there is a small chance you would be eligible to a free upgrade, but you really need to contact Adobe to find out.

Copy and Paste of Ship Date and Price.

"will begin shipping in May to customers in the United States and Canada, and will be available through Adobe Authorized Resellers and the Adobe Store at www.adobe.com/store . International versions are expected to begin shipping in late May and early June. Adobe Photoshop CS2 will be available for an estimated street price of US$599 and licensed users of any previous version of Photoshop can upgrade for US$149."

[cmM]

the new features seem pretty cool. Especially the batch corrections/processing for the new ACR 3.0

[CyberDyneSystems]

Oh well,. well se how long I can hold off,. I did for some time with PS7 and the ACR plug in....

[FlashGordon]

dphotomania,
Where did you get your PCS for $299? I intend to buy a copy when in Conneticut in a couple of weeks.
Thanks
Gordon

[mattym]

i think someone at adobe was a bit premature, the article date was a giveaway, so wait till April 4th and it will reappear!

[tim]

Is there any way to upgrade to the full version of photoshop from PS Elements?

[mattym]

have a look on the adobe site and see if thats possible

[rfreschner]

Is there any way to upgrade to the full version of photoshop from PS Elements?

I know you can upgrade from the PSE2 that came with your 20D for $299 through the special offer with Canon, but I haven't seen any upgrade directly from PSE.

[dphotomania]

Gordon, I think my previous note is misleading...... Sorry. But I did get it for $299 from the following offer. Do you have a Adobe® Photoshop® Elements software? I got a copy when I got my camera.

http://store.adobe.com/store/products/master.jhtml;storesessionid=IDUBOD0X1121VQFI0ILBT5 OAVDJBIIV1?id=catCanon#offer

Hope this helps.

dphotomania,
Where did you get your PCS for $299? I intend to buy a copy when in Conneticut in a couple of weeks.
Thanks
Gordon

[steven]

I always hate seeing the next version of any software that I use anounce because it means there will be no more updates for the version I own :(

So to get any new enhancments you have to upgrade :(

[PacAce]

I always hate seeing the next version of any software that I use anounce because it means there will be no more updates for the version I own :(

So to get any new enhancments you have to upgrade :(
Look at the bright side. There weren't any updates for PSCS, anyway, except for the ACR plug-ins to keep up with the newer cameras. :)

[steven]

But now there wont even be those :(

[tim]

But now there wont even be those :(

Who says?

[PacAce]

Who says?
If they stopped enhancing ACR 1 when ACR2 came out, I'll stake your life that the same fate awaits ACR2 when ACR3 comes out. :p

[tim]

Did they do that? Bummer.

I wonder how long they'll keep supporting the CRW format, i'll have to batch process my RAW files to TIFF or DNG before they drop support.

[steven]

They keep the RAW formats supported. So I would guess they will continue to have CRW support int ACR3. It is just when the next version of RAW format comes out and adobe comes out with the updated ACR3 to support it I would not expect to see a ACR2 update to do the same.

[tim]

RAW is still used in cameras that are in wide use, it's in 5 years or so when CR5 comes out that we might have trouble. I must get around to trying the DNG convertor some time.

[Goofup]

Try this link: http://www.steves-digicams.com/diginews.html#cs2

According to the release they'll be a Mac version and upgrade from CS is $149.

[FlyingPete]

I hope they fixed that *#&*@ activation. I had a run in with CS activation a few weeks ago, turned out easier to use a 'tool' supplied to me by another member (who shall remain nameless but you know who you are, and thanks again!) that 'activated' it for me.

I would expect software like that, which I paid good $$$ for to not have issues like that. Part of it is the ole time zone issue for this part of the world, everytime I went to phone activation, I either sat on hold for an hour plus, or they were closed.

[raztazor]

A copy of the now deleted press release can be read here.
http://whereisben.blogs.com/whereisben/2005/03/photoshop_cs2.html

[PacAce]

I hope they fixed that *#&*@ activation. I had a run in with CS activation a few weeks ago, turned out easier to use a 'tool' supplied to me by another member (who shall remain nameless but you know who you are, and thanks again!) that 'activated' it for me.

I would expect software like that, which I paid good $$$ for to not have issues like that. Part of it is the ole time zone issue for this part of the world, everytime I went to phone activation, I either sat on hold for an hour plus, or they were closed.
I can tell you that that's one thing I DON'T miss in converting to the Mac. When I had the PC version of PSCS I had to have it activated everytime I reinstalled it or made a significant (and sometimes insignificant) change to the PC or Windows. I'm not sure why it's different on the Mac, and I'm not complaining either :) , but activation is not required to run PSCS on the Mac.

<Hope I didn't jinks it. :confused: Knock on wood!>

[Cyrus Fisher]

Actually, PSCS can use up to 2GB of RAM. The only problem is that if you only have 2GB of RAM and PSCS took it all, then there wouldn't be any RAM left for the OS and other apps running at the same time and that wouldn't be a very pretty sight. :)
BTW, if you DID want PSCS to take more than half of your RAM, you can change that by going into the preferences panel and changing it.

I tried doing that and ran into some major issues with software instability. I was told by Adobe's tech support that CS can only handle a maximum of ~1.4 gigabytes of RAM. The preferences will allow you to set the percentage higher than that but it will only cause CS to choke or completely crash whenever it tries to use more than the allotted RAM during an operation.


Just FYI

-Cyrus

[PacAce]

I tried doing that and ran into some major issues with software instability. I was told by Adobe's tech support that CS can only handle a maximum of ~1.4 gigabytes of RAM. The preferences will allow you to set the percentage higher than that but it will only cause CS to choke or completely crash whenever it tries to use more than the allotted RAM during an operation.


Just FYI

-Cyrus
Hmmm. Interesting. How much RAM do you have and how much of it were you tell PSCS to use when you encountered your problem?

[timmyquest]

They seem to be pumping this stuff out as frequently as the cameras come out

[Cyrus Fisher]

Hmmm. Interesting. How much RAM do you have and how much of it were you tell PSCS to use when you encountered your problem?

The computer in question had 3 gigabytes of RAM. I had the preferences set to use 75% of that space, although the amount of RAM PSCS said it was using stopped going up after it hit 1,400 Mb somewhere around 46%. Until I moved the preference slider back below that 46% mark I would get errors all over the place when I tried to run certain filters saying there wasn't enough RAM. Now in this case the machine was running Win XP pro, which according to my information requires a minimum of ~15% of the RAM space, which is why I didn't put the slider above 75%.



I ended up spending several hours on the phone with the tech guys at Adobe. They ended up sending me a huge tech doc on the issue, but everything they said on the phone and in the document boiled down to the fact that PSCS can only handle a max of ~1.4Gb of RAM. The preferences slider will let you set that value higher, but PSCS won't be able to recognize the larger RAM allocation and will choke when its requirements exceed the 1.4Gb limit. The Tech Doc went on to point out that PSCS can recognize up to 3 exabytes of Scratch Disk space, but only 1.4Gb of RAM, and unfortunately when you are running filters the processes for carrying them out happen in the RAM and not the scratch disk space, hence the reason the machine kept giving me errors when I tried to run filters with the RAM setting too high.

-Cyrus

[PacAce]

The computer in question had 3 gigabytes of RAM. I had the preferences set to use 75% of that space, although the amount of RAM PSCS said it was using stopped going up after it hit 1,400 Mb somewhere around 46%. Until I moved the preference slider back below that 46% mark I would get errors all over the place when I tried to run certain filters saying there wasn't enough RAM. Now in this case the machine was running Win XP pro, which according to my information requires a minimum of ~15% of the RAM space, which is why I didn't put the slider above 75%.



I ended up spending several hours on the phone with the tech guys at Adobe. They ended up sending me a huge tech doc on the issue, but everything they said on the phone and in the document boiled down to the fact that PSCS can only handle a max of ~1.4Gb of RAM. The preferences slider will let you set that value higher, but PSCS won't be able to recognize the larger RAM allocation and will choke when its requirements exceed the 1.4Gb limit. The Tech Doc went on to point out that PSCS can recognize up to 3 exabytes of Scratch Disk space, but only 1.4Gb of RAM, and unfortunately when you are running filters the processes for carrying them out happen in the RAM and not the scratch disk space, hence the reason the machine kept giving me errors when I tried to run filters with the RAM setting too high.

-Cyrus
Thanks for that bit of info, Cyrus. I'm now wondering if that applies across the board to all platforms or just to XP (or Windows). I'll have to test it on my Mac. Unfortunately, I don't have that much RAM on my XP so I can't test it there.

[Avalonthas]

I have 4 gigs of ram adn when i edit CS takes about 3 gigs, and 1 gig is left for O/S and other operations.

The upgrade prolly wont affect me too much as the current CS has all that I need but some more features and simplicty wont hurt. Luckily I can get the upgrade through my son who can get it for 80 bucks with his student discount. Mwuahaha (I think the education system pays for the rest i got no clue and wont argue lol).

As for upgrades, I believe CS came out last year, so I think Adobe is going to release there new versions once a year from now on much like Macromedia and other companies release 2004, 2005, etc versions. Main reason for this is usually to combat pirating, as a couple months after release, there are tons of cracks to get it for free, so if they keep releasing new versions the demand is there, so they get more profit, and less of an economical impact from pirating. Also since the digital camera and digital imaging industries have been booming in the past year or two, theres lots of standardization, formats, and new equipment coming out all the time, so updating keeps it current.

All around im happy to see CS2 on its way.

[PacAce]

The computer in question had 3 gigabytes of RAM. I had the preferences set to use 75% of that space, although the amount of RAM PSCS said it was using stopped going up after it hit 1,400 Mb somewhere around 46%. Until I moved the preference slider back below that 46% mark I would get errors all over the place when I tried to run certain filters saying there wasn't enough RAM. Now in this case the machine was running Win XP pro, which according to my information requires a minimum of ~15% of the RAM space, which is why I didn't put the slider above 75%.



I ended up spending several hours on the phone with the tech guys at Adobe. They ended up sending me a huge tech doc on the issue, but everything they said on the phone and in the document boiled down to the fact that PSCS can only handle a max of ~1.4Gb of RAM. The preferences slider will let you set that value higher, but PSCS won't be able to recognize the larger RAM allocation and will choke when its requirements exceed the 1.4Gb limit. The Tech Doc went on to point out that PSCS can recognize up to 3 exabytes of Scratch Disk space, but only 1.4Gb of RAM, and unfortunately when you are running filters the processes for carrying them out happen in the RAM and not the scratch disk space, hence the reason the machine kept giving me errors when I tried to run filters with the RAM setting too high.

-Cyrus
A couple of days ago, after you posted the above, I set my PSCS RAM usage to 100%, which on my computer comes out to 1781 MB, to see if I can get PSCS to use all of it and crash. I couldn't get it up that high then but this afternoon, I was processing a bunch of scanned negative images and happened to notice the amount of scratch disk and RAM that PSCS was using. It was well over 1.4 GB limit but PSCS was still running strong without even slowing down. So, if there is a limit of 1.4 GB for RAM, I wonder if it only applies to PCs (I'm using a Mac).

[raztazor]

For a full list of Photoshop CS features you can download chapter 1 of the new book due for release very soon - "Photoshop CS2 for Photograhers" from here :

http://photoshopnews.com/?p=135

[tim]

From that 1st chapter it sounds like PS CS2 will be worth getting. Any word of whether we'll be able to upgrade from Elements 2.0 to PS CS2?

[psk4363]

The price differences around the globe for the same product (the upgrade to CS2) is amazing - and shows that certain countries are being taken for a ride.

Barry

[kawter2]

now it is OFFICIAL!!!!

http://www.adobe.com/products/creativesuite/main.html

[Jesper]

I'm not so enthousiastic about it anymore since I've found out that the price of the upgrade version is $ 149 in the USA, and € 213 ($ 277) here in the Netherlands. That's 1.85 times the USA price. What a ripoff!! :evil:

When I look at the new features, the new RAW converter and Adobe Bridge look interesting. The rest doesn't seem so useful (for example, support for 32-bit images isn't something I was waiting for, vector graphics isn't interesting at all for me as a photographer, the advanced noise reduction will most likely not be as good as Neat Image which I already have, ...).

If someone discovers a killer feature that is worth $ 277 let me know, otherwise I'll skip Photoshop CS2. :confused:

[PacAce]

I'm not so enthousiastic about it anymore since I've found out that the price of the upgrade version is $ 149 in the USA, and € 213 ($ 277) here in the Netherlands. That's 1.85 times the USA price. What a ripoff!! :evil:

When I look at the new features, the new RAW converter and Adobe Bridge look interesting. The rest doesn't seem so useful (for example, support for 32-bit images isn't something I was waiting for, vector graphics isn't interesting at all for me as a photographer, the advanced noise reduction will most likely not be as good as Neat Image which I already have, ...).

If someone discovers a killer feature that is worth $ 277 let me know, otherwise I'll skip Photoshop CS2. :confused:
I kind of agree with you, Jesper. Even at US$149, the upgrade seems steep compared to the new features that you would get. I think I'm going to wait for CS3 and see what that will have to offer.

[embdaw]

WOO-HOO!!!!:mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgree n::mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen::mr green::mrgreen::mrgreen:

Cant wait to use the new RAW features!!!!!!!!

[tim]

To me, the added features seem pretty good tools for the RAW digital photograhper. If the noise reduction is good it'll save me buying noise ninja. Cropping in RAW, more control, and lost of little improvements will make it worthwhile for me.

[bigrob]

Last week I ordered Adobe PhotoShop Cs Artistry: Mastering the Digital Image and The Photoshop CS Book for Digital Photographers from Amazon after seeing them recommended on this site.

My plan was to have a read through in the next few days then order Photoshop CS.

As I have never used Photoshop before, what do I do?

1) Do I send the books back to Amazon, wait for CS2 and then wait for the updated versions of the books to come out?

2) Keep the books, buy CS now and spend time learning CS and upgrade to CS3 in 12 to 18 months(whenever it is released)?

Any help would be appreciated.

[tim]

I think you'll be fine with those books. I have the 2nd book you listed, and a RAW book, I'm not planning to buy a CS2 book unless it's horribly complex.

[bigrob]

Hi Tim

Are you saying keep the books (both of them?) and get CS2?

[tim]

If you're not in a hurry you might as well return both books, wait for the CS2 ones, and get CS2. Personally I won't bother buying books, but I will get CS2.

[bigrob]

Thanks

[Johnny V]

Last week I ordered Adobe PhotoShop Cs Artistry: Mastering the Digital Image and The Photoshop CS Book for Digital Photographers from Amazon after seeing them recommended on this site.

My plan was to have a read through in the next few days then order Photoshop CS.

As I have never used Photoshop before, what do I do?

1) Do I send the books back to Amazon, wait for CS2 and then wait for the updated versions of the books to come out?

2) Keep the books, buy CS now and spend time learning CS and upgrade to CS3 in 12 to 18 months(whenever it is released)?

Any help would be appreciated.

Keep the "The Photoshop CS Book for Digital Photographers" book but return the "Adobe PhotoShop Cs Artistry: Mastering the Digital Image" This book is for advanced users and since you never used Photoshop you'll be in big trouble real quick!

It's not available yet but buy "Adobe Photoshop CS2 Classroom in a Book (Classroom in a Book)" when it comes out. It's great for beginners.

Buy CS2 next month as it's a big enough upgrade that the old CS is will just be that...old! Also the Raw part of the old CS will not be supported anylonger...so you need to upgrade to CS2 anyway.

[bigrob]

Thanks for that Johnny.

I understand why you say about returing the first book (which I will do).

Why keep the second book. Is it aimed more at beginners?

[Johnny V]

Sorry...return that book also....as I just went to Amazon to check it out and I was thinking of a differnet book. Wait for the CS 2 version of the book.

Also another excellent book for all to have is: Photoshop CS for Windows and Macintosh : Visual QuickStart Guide (Visual Quickstart Guides)
by Elaine Weinmann, Peter Lourekas

Of course you have to wait for the CS 2 version.

The third book you should have after you get through the Classroom in the Book is:
Adobe Photoshop CS for Photographers : Professional Image Editor's Guide to the Creative Use of Photoshop for the Mac and PC
by Martin Evening

Of course you have to wait for the CS 2 version.

[bigrob]

Hi Johnny

That's great - thanks ever so much.

[Cyrus Fisher]

A couple of days ago, after you posted the above, I set my PSCS RAM usage to 100%, which on my computer comes out to 1781 MB, to see if I can get PSCS to use all of it and crash. I couldn't get it up that high then but this afternoon, I was processing a bunch of scanned negative images and happened to notice the amount of scratch disk and RAM that PSCS was using. It was well over 1.4 GB limit but PSCS was still running strong without even slowing down. So, if there is a limit of 1.4 GB for RAM, I wonder if it only applies to PCs (I'm using a Mac).

That's a very good question. The Tech guy I was talking to gave me the impression it was cross platform, but then he never came out and said it.

But FYI I actually didn't notice any problems at first until I tried running a few process intensive filters, the zoom feature of the radial blur filter being the main offender. For me it that was the main issue, everything else seemed to run fine except for any intensive filters. The tech guy told me he'd seen worse though. Every time I would try and run that filter I'd get a message saying there wasn't enough RAM even on a 250Kb test image. Since I was using that filter a lot to create a boarder for prints that were to be mounted on a gallery wrap it was a huge problem.

Anyway if it's a PC only limit then that's a bit better than I thought. ;)

-Cyrus

[kawter2]

here are some videos of the new features!!!! prety cool

http://www.layersmagazine.com/features/cs2-videos.php


other features
http://www.layersmagazine.com/features/cs2_feature.php

[PacAce]

That's a very good question. The Tech guy I was talking to gave me the impression it was cross platform, but then he never came out and said it.

But FYI I actually didn't notice any problems at first until I tried running a few process intensive filters, the zoom feature of the radial blur filter being the main offender. For me it that was the main issue, everything else seemed to run fine except for any intensive filters. The tech guy told me he'd seen worse though. Every time I would try and run that filter I'd get a message saying there wasn't enough RAM even on a 250Kb test image. Since I was using that filter a lot to create a boarder for prints that were to be mounted on a gallery wrap it was a huge problem.

Anyway if it's a PC only limit then that's a bit better than I thought. ;)

-Cyrus
Hmmm, interesting. I just ran a test myself. I loaded 12 large PDS and JPG files for a total of 3.29 GB. The RAM used by PSCS for caching the scratch disk is 1.69 GB (100% of available, just for this test). I picked one of the PSD files and ran the the Radial Blur filter on it with settings of Zoom, Best and Amount=100. It ran for just over a minute but nothing bad happened. I ran the filter again on the same image so that it got blurred twice but still nothing. The problem certainly looks like it could be isolated to just the Windows platform or maybe even just XP itself.

[Cyrus Fisher]

ran the filter again on the same image so that it got blurred twice but still nothing. The problem certainly looks like it could be isolated to just the Windows platform or maybe even just XP itself.

That certianly is good to know.

-Cyrus

[Johnny V]

Speaking of books...Peachpit Announces Lineup of Adobe Creative Suite 2 Books:

http://photoshopnews.com/?p=173