Canon's next Pro D-SLR?

[mooseel]

I'm looking for information and speculation as to when and what will be Canon's next Pro digital SLR Body. I am currently saving for a new body. I currently want either a 20D or a 1D markII. I'm guessing that by the time I have saved enough for either, that there will be new models available. I currently have a 10D, that has worked well, except for it's known short comings.
I'm guessing that the next DSLR from Canon will be either a 11M pixel upgrade of the 20D or of the 1D markII. The new release of the 8M pixel Rebel leads me to believe that that will be Canon's next move.
I'm curious of the time line for the known changes/ upgrades in Canon's models.

[IanBMW]

I would guesstimate Fall '05. But I think you should research Nikon's next move, because their usually paired.

[ijohnson]

I heard that in Fall '05 the new Canon DSLR are going to have a new shooting mode called P+S. This new mode creates an overly sharpened and saturated picture taken at 4mp so that the former P+S owners aren't disppointed with their new camera.

[Nightcrawler]

I heard that in Fall '05 the new Canon DSLR are going to have a new shooting mode called P+S. This new mode creates an overly sharpened and saturated picture taken at 4mp so that the former P+S owners aren't disppointed with their new camera.

That is hilarious!!!

[SeanH]

That is hilarious!!!

Ha Ha Ha......yea put it on the "green square" mode.....LOL.........actually not a bad idea??????

[liza]

I've heard that Canon's major product releases are on 18 month cycles. So, if the 20D was released in August of '04, we should see something new in February of '06.

By the way, it took awhile to write this because I couldn't stop laughing at ijohnson's post!:lol: Good one!

[timmyquest]

I dont see why you guys think they are in such a rush to release a new camera. There is no reason to at all, and i dont think there will be much of one in a year either.

[tim]

I dont see why you guys think they are in such a rush to release a new camera. There is no reason to at all, and i dont think there will be much of one in a year either.

Noise free ISO 6400 or 12800 would be nice, but it might take longer than 18 months.

[cmM]

Canon's not in a rush.... they weren't in a rush when they introduced the 350D (or even the 20D for that matter), but if it keeps going they way it has been until now, Canon will introduce a new camera before we expect it.

[ron chappel]

Canon have hinted that the next 1Ds mkII and 1D mk II will be merged so that only one body covers both jobs.
Obviously it will be full frame .
22Mp was quoted but not as a definite figure

[Jim_T]

A 20D or a 1DMKII ?

If you don't need a pro body, you can get the 20D for $2500.00 less and put the savings towards a couple of nice 'L' lenses :)

[timmyquest]

Canon have hinted that the next 1Ds mkII and 1D mk II will be merged so that only one body covers both jobs.
Obviously it will be full frame .
22Mp was quoted but not as a definite figure

I think that would be pretty darn stupid.

As much as we make fun of nikon for having the 4mp camera as their top of the line non-studio camera...it makes sense.

22mp is great and all, but it's not needed for the paper. And it just creates the need for faster hardware and more storage.

[xstrio]

I think that would be pretty darn stupid.

As much as we make fun of nikon for having the 4mp camera as their top of the line non-studio camera...it makes sense.

22mp is great and all, but it's not needed for the paper. And it just creates the need for faster hardware and more storage.

is it not possible to choose a smaller picture on the pro cameras, when you don`t need a 22mp photo , it is an option on a lot of other cameras ive used

[Phil V]

22mp is great and all, but it's not needed for the paper. And it just creates the need for faster hardware and more storage.

But remember that digital photography follows the IT business model, NOT the photography one. We'll continue to see larger file sizes as memory and processing will continue to get cheaper and faster.

If you look at the storage required for digital images, you'll see that although filesizes have grown, the cost of storing them has come down. My first PC had 8mb of memory when delivered, my current mobile phone has a 16mb MMC card:confused:

The downside is that large sensors are a physical limitation, so although they will get cheaper to produce, the smaller ones will be cheaper still. So when the DReb costs $300, the 1d? will still cost way over $1000.

[Incomplete Pete]

The next 1D MkII is likely to match and better the D2X, something with a high speed mode and then a low speed mode but at a high resolution. I can't wait personally!

[primoz]

I know exact time when Canon will put out new 1d. It will happen about week or two after I will finally bought my own 1dmk2 (so that I don't need to borrow agency's 1d for my private stuff). Since I'm going to have my own 1dmk2 sometime till end of June I guess new 1d will be out sometime in first half of July :)
PS: Dates might change for month or two in case if I get good offer from local dealer in next few weeks :) Then new 1d will be out earlier :)

[jbradc]

My guess is that the 1D Mark II will be the next body to be replaced, it is the oldest DSLR in canon's line up.

[roanjohn]

They might introduce the much anticipated EOS 3D!!!

I am hoping that it will have the exact same body size as the 10D with 45 focus like the 1 series.

Of course I will snap it up!!!

And it better be around 2000 USD!!!

Canon, are you listening????!!!???

Ro1

[Mike H]

is it not possible to choose a smaller picture on the pro cameras, when you don`t need a 22mp photo , it is an option on a lot of other cameras ive used

Yes, it's possible, but not desirable for many people. When you set the 1D Mark II, for example, to shoot RAW you get a file of more than 8 megapixels. This gives you a file with all of the data that the camera has recorded, unaltered. When you choose a smaller file size what the camera is doing is converting that RAW file into a JPG in camera, and that shrinks the file down. The amount of shrinkage (or compression) is something that the user selects. Many of us do not like to set the camera that way because if there needs to be some change in a shot's density (how light or dark it is) or color balance that can be done better by the user working with a RAW file on their computer. So you lose some creative control setting the camera to make smaller files.

I think what Nikon is doing with the relatively small (4 megapixel) files of its latest camera is improving image quality without increasing file size. Then you have the best of both worlds: you get the ease and reduced processor and storage requirements of the smaller file, and retain the flexibility that comes from working with a RAW file.

I hope that helps.

Mike H

[Mike Panic]

my guess is that sometime, somewhere, someone will make a digital camera w/ a 40mp sensor in it for under $500

i F*CKING hate these threads!

[FlyingPete]

Noise free ISO 6400 or 12800 would be nice, but it might take longer than 18 months.

That is one of the two features that would make me rush out and upgrade, the second would be 16+ stops of dynamic range!

[ijohnson]

That is one of the two features that would make me rush out and upgrade, the second would be 16+ stops of dynamic range!

I think we are limited to the dynamic range of the eye. Does anyone know what that is?

I think it will be scary when and if the camera makers can do very high speed sensors with no noise. Wouldn't it be bad for their lens sales. I understand that there would still be a need for shallow DOF and exceptional sharpness, but anyone who spends a lot of money just to shoot indoors would start selling their long fast lenses and speedlites.

[FlyingPete]

I think we are limited to the dynamic range of the eye. Does anyone know what that is?

I think it will be scary when and if the camera makers can do very high speed sensors with no noise. Wouldn't it be bad for their lens sales. I understand that there would still be a need for shallow DOF and exceptional sharpness, but anyone who spends a lot of money just to shoot indoors would start selling their long fast lenses and speedlites.

I do know that we are not there with digital sensors or film yet, when they get there, that will be a real breakthrough!

There is little perceivable difference already between ISO100, 200 & 400 on the latest DLSR's, I only reduce to 100 or 400 is very bright conditions, so there still will be a place, as you said for narrow DOF etc, it will just be another tool that will allow even more flexibility.

Bring it on I say!

[ijohnson]

Yeah, who am I kidding. Noise-free ISO 33600 would just leave me wanting for more shots when I am shooting in unlit caves.

I think we are all light-aholics. The standard amateur taking pictures of his/her kid at gymnastics practice might not spend the $$ on a 70-200 f/2.8 if the 75-300 is more than fast those ISO speeds. Even that lens can look acceptable to some at f/8.

[tim]

I happily use ISO 400, I don't see any noise or lack of detail there with the 20D. 800+ I use if I need the shutter speed, with noise reduction it's fine, though at 1600 and especailly 3200 you do lose some detail.

[timmyquest]

Thats kind of an interesting point...

Why would the world spend money on superfast telephoto lenses when you could shoot at f/5.6 and be fine.

[vwpilot]

Personally I hope that the FF sensor doesnt take over the pro cameras. I really like the way they have it now by having basically a FF studio high res camera and a lower resolution sports camera that still has the crop. For sports shooting the crop is a wonderful thing and I dont have to own or carry a 600 around as my 500 does just as well with the 1.3 crop on my MkII.

I think it would be very smart for Canon to keep the two pro body linup which will continue to give those that want and need a very high resolution camera the option and the FF sensor, but for those PJ and sports shooters that dont need anything above 8mp or so a fast moving and processing camera with some in camera crop so that I dont have to edit and do it to all my photos at a later time.

Personally I would rather they just keep one crop size and account for the FF guys with lenses like Nikon has done, but since they are committed to the FF sensor, I hope they keep at least one pro body with a crop factor or no matter what comes out the MkII may be my last pro Canon dslr...hope it lasts a good long time.

[FlyingPete]

Thats kind of an interesting point...

Why would the world spend money on superfast telephoto lenses when you could shoot at f/5.6 and be fine.

The more I think about it, the more it makes sence. It is not as if you really need narrow DOF's on tele's anyway, it is usually narrow enough already!

I would be happy if I could shoot in low light conditions on my 75-300 at higher shutter speeds, esspecially if I could throw in f/8 at the same time, I get 1/60 at ISO1600 f/5.6 in a certain environment, bump that up to ISO6400, I could go 1/250, alot more useable, hey at ISO 25600 (OK now we are getting silly :rolleyes: ), I could even chuck my tripod away!

OK so where can I buy one...

[timmyquest]

The funny thinga bout that pete, for basketball at least, or any other indoor venue, is that the magical look you get from shots in SI are because of the WIDE depth of field that they can afford to use because of the strobes hanging in the cieling.