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xoiceox
24th of February 2009 (Tue), 11:41
There are many ways to do black and white conversions... i was just curious as to how you guys do it?

I do it in Photoshop, in a way that a friend of mine taught me who went to a pro photoshop class.

image adjustments, Lab color, Delete channel a then alpha 2
image adjustment grayscale, then rgb
then fix the levels in curves!

Thanx guys!

DavidSR
24th of February 2009 (Tue), 12:01
I use Nik Color Efex accompanied with Nik Silver. :)..It's fast and gives excellent results!! Not the cheapest plug-in, but it rocks!!!

Edit: Here is what I got with Nik.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3230/3280153345_21d38a75e4.jpg

xoiceox
24th of February 2009 (Tue), 17:22
ooo very nice...

srsuser
25th of February 2009 (Wed), 02:48
Any other ways? Always been interested in this.

I just chose "grayscale" in lightroom.

Ook
25th of February 2009 (Wed), 07:41
I just chose "grayscale" in lightroom.

Edit: I might be mistaken on Lightroom's "grayscale" command - I assumed it was the same as the one in PS, so my comments might be in error:

No! Don't do that! Well, it can give fine results, but you have zero flexibility. This tutorial video (http://tutorialbucket.googlepages.com/psblacknwhite.html) shows a few ways of doing it in Photoshop - not sure of how much of it carries over into LR.

I was a channel mixer + curves man until I got ahold of Nik Silver. Outstanding plugin.

Hinson
26th of February 2009 (Thu), 19:03
I use a number of variations but I always start in channels. Look at the red, then the blue and then the green. For kids/senior adult women/ I might use just the red channel. For men, I might go with the blue or green. Or, I might go with none of those and use another method. It strictly depends on the image and what I'm trying to do.

Lightworks Imaging
27th of February 2009 (Fri), 21:01
Nik Software Silver EFX. Easier and IMO better than photoshop.

Hinson
27th of February 2009 (Fri), 22:17
Nik Software Silver EFX. Easier and IMO better than photoshop.

I don't know. That looks a bit flat and underexposed on my monitor. Could be my monitor though.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3520/3314828475_738cce207f_b.jpg

Lightworks Imaging
28th of February 2009 (Sat), 12:35
Probably not your monitor, although the photo was shot in CR2, and the histogram shows no real clipping in the image. The bias from Nik Software is set at neutral. could simply be my eye.

FlyingPhotog
28th of February 2009 (Sat), 12:36
B&W Adjustment Layer in CS3...

Gordeez
28th of February 2009 (Sat), 16:31
Im lazy.
I just go to Gradient Map and click on the Black and White one.
I like the results...So I use it for ALL My Black and Whites.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3615/3303507195_8f9c767519.jpg

yogestee
1st of March 2009 (Sun), 06:41
I use CS2.. In Image-->Adjustments-->Channel Mixer--> ensure you have monochrome checked.. Slide the Red/Blue/Green sliders until you have the desired effect.. You may have to adjust levels and burn in some highlights..

Here is an example..

Svetlana
2nd of March 2009 (Mon), 20:33
I use this tutorial:
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=404206

Bluemist
2nd of March 2009 (Mon), 21:05
I do a variety of different things depending on the image I am working on.

Bobster
2nd of March 2009 (Mon), 21:09
B&W Adjustment Layer in CS3...
+1 .

Karl Johnston
3rd of March 2009 (Tue), 00:22
Depends on what I'm doing...sometimes I just use film for BW if it's just me messing around, I still think it has an advantage over digital BW.

Hinson
3rd of March 2009 (Tue), 08:22
This just shows that there are many ways to do a b/w conversion and there is no 'right' way. Additionally, as has been mentioned, personal preference plays a big part. If you (and the client, if there is one) like it, then that is all that counts.

Bobster
3rd of March 2009 (Tue), 08:57
well 2 wrong ways in my experience are Grayscale and Desaturation, i did some experimenting years ago with a colour strip and it was supprising how many colours turned out to be the same shade of gray after the conversion..

when i get a spare 40 minutes ill put the experiment together again

Hinson
3rd of March 2009 (Tue), 09:04
I don't care for those two methods either but I wouldn't necessarily call them 'wrong.' However, I would love to see the results of your experiment. I'm sure we all can benefit.

thesilent
5th of March 2009 (Thu), 19:12
It depends on the image. Sometimes I'll just go with colors > desaturate in GIMP, or I may spend more time in channels and what have you. Every method I've tried has produced good results and bad, so the key seems to be just playing around and seeing what works best.

Damo77
7th of March 2009 (Sat), 19:43
B&W Adjustment Layer in CS3...
Yep, it's awesome.

For folk with CS2 or earlier, this is how I simulate the BW filter, with some great results:

Black-and-white conversions (http://www.damiensymonds.com.au/tut_bw.html)

XterraJohn
11th of March 2009 (Wed), 15:04
Any other ways? Always been interested in this.

I just chose "grayscale" in lightroom.

Edit: I might be mistaken on Lightroom's "grayscale" command - I assumed it was the same as the one in PS, so my comments might be in error:

No! Don't do that! Well, it can give fine results, but you have zero flexibility.


Regarding Lightroom, there actually seems to be quite a bit of flexibility with the Grayscale option. Once you select Grayscale, you are then presented with seperate channel sliders for Red, Orange, Yellow, Green, Aqua, Blue, Purple and Magenta.

ineedakamera
22nd of March 2009 (Sun), 22:13
right now i just play around a lot in Lightroom. interesting thread though, i'm definitely going to try the different methods mentioned

Mike
25th of March 2009 (Wed), 12:31
I use Lightroom and mess about with the channels. Works for me :D

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3169/3001813109_35e16b2cb6.jpg?v=0

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3063/3002867668_e3b68db598.jpg?v=0

KSG Photography
1st of April 2009 (Wed), 19:48
I tend to use either a gradient map route or channel mixer depending on how the original image looks. After a while, I find I can usually 'read' the image and know (most of the time) which one is going to give me the look I want in that particular image.

TheGreatOg
5th of April 2009 (Sun), 21:29
This (http://www.kelbytraining.com/instructors/katrin-eismann.html) is the best damn color to black and white (greyscale) tutorial I've ever seen. Absolutely worth looking at by all. It's called "Color to Black and White Artistry", just scroll down past the panorama tutorial and it's on the bottom (and free). Hope you enjoy!

Chris450D
7th of April 2009 (Tue), 08:06
took your advice, and used nik color Efex with silver Efex pro and WOW!

just toyed around:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3607/3420432713_2a8515643e.jpg