What 1.6x magnification factor really is

[Tomsk]

I finally figured it out. It's only indirectly related to the apparent focal length of lenses.

It's the magnification of the cumulative negative effect that buying a DSLR has on your bank balance.

What about the the full frame 1Ds and 1.3x 1D I hear (some of) you saying?

People who purchase the full frame 1D already have oodles of kit to go with the camera and thus don't need to spend any more once they've got the camera.

1.3x 1D purchasers also have lots of kit because but not as muich as 1Ds owners.

1.6x purchasers have probably bought their first DSLR and thus start spending more to get the bits they 'really' need. Eventually some 1.6x purchasers move on to 1.3x DSLR.


:D

[kawter2]

whoa im confused, dont know if i should chuckle of go buy a 1ds lol

[SkipD]

Sounds like the absolute best excuse in the world to give the better half so I can finally get that 1DS Mark II....... NOT!!!! (not if I want to live another year, that is)

[Jim_T]

You might want to follow this thread.. Only 10,000 posts on the subject already :)

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=45388

[Jon]

You might want to follow this thread.. Only 10,000 posts on the subject already :)

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=45388

No. This one is really different. I think he's got something (until B&H cleans out his bank account, at least).

[ScottE]

If you shoot a Rebel, D30, D60, 10D or 20D the real problem is that if you move to a 1Ds you have a .625 magnification factor. All of a sudden your 400mm lens acts like it is only 250mm when you put it on a 1Ds or 1DsMk2. That is the guy with a problem. He has to go out an buy a 600mm lens to get the same perspective. Those things aren't cheap and you have to hire a porter to carry them around because they are so heavy and awkward to move.

Scott

[tim]

The crop factor is only important if you've used a 35mm camera for a long time. If not, a lens does what it does, who cares what it does on a 35mm camera.

[transcend]

The crop factor is only important if you've used a 35mm camera for a long time. If not, a lens does what it does, who cares what it does on a 35mm camera.

apparently the humour was lost on this one.

[FlyingPete]

apparently the humour was lost on this one.

Yep :rolleyes:

Read the first post CAREFULLY, he does have a point! The rule doesn't seem to apply to film though, unless you take into account medium format!

[tim]

I didn't read the original post quite as carefully as I should have :o

[cactusclay]

Holy crap Tim, you are now a gold member. When do you sleep?

[Vega$50]

Funny...I am going to use that one...

[RJSorensen]

Lord Help Us Get It Right . . .

[Tom W]

I didn't read the original post quite as carefully as I should have :o

Me neither, which is not unusual. what is unusual is that I didn't post a response earlier. :)

[FlyingPete]

Holy crap Tim, you are now a gold member. When do you sleep?

More to the point when do you work :D

I on'y have time for this forum when I am between tasks at work, never at home, you can tell if I am off site on a project, as I don't post for a few days.

[pcasciola]

I didn't read the original post quite as carefully as I should have :oSlow down, Tim. No matter how little you read the thread and how fast you post, you're not going to catch CDS. :lol: :lol: :lol:

[IainB]

Slow down, Tim. No matter how little you read the thread and how fast you post, you're not going to catch CDS. :lol: :lol: :lol:
You go for it Tim. CDS is posting at a rate of 15.73 per day whereas you are up there at 18.13. Go Kiwi!

[tim]

I post while my machine does a build at work, or when I need a break. Sometimes builds take seconds, sometimes minutes, sometimes half an hour, that's why sometimes I post long replies, and sometimes I don't read things properly ;)

[pcasciola]

I post while my machine does a build at work, or when I need a break. Sometimes builds take seconds, sometimes minutes, sometimes half an hour, that's why sometimes I post long replies, and sometimes I don't read things properly ;)I'm just joking with you. I know you read the threads. Well....usually. :D

I write mostly Intranet based software now so we really don't do builds like I used to when I wrote programs in C, but I still manage to sneak in some posts when my manager (who is also a member of this forum) is not looking. ;)

[tim]

I usually read the threads before I answer ;) I do J2EE, build times and server startup times can be long enough, on the last project a full build took half a day if things went right, or up to a week if it didn't

[Cadwell]

You know a few years ago when I wrote software for a living we used to go to one of the local bars whilst a compile job was running. Now you lot post on the internet? mmm.... sad commentary on the programmers of today I think :p ;)

[tim]

Programming while drunk is less productive than surfing the net - you write bad code that you have to fix later! When I lived in Ireland the company policy was "drink at lunchtime, don't come back to work", which was fine with us ;)

[Cadwell]

Programming while drunk is less productive than surfing the net - you write bad code that you have to fix later! When I lived in Ireland the company policy was "drink at lunchtime, don't come back to work", which was fine with us ;)

You used to wait until lunchtime! :eek:

programmers today, I dunno :rolleyes: ;)

[Wazza]

Yes, that's the reason I bought ONLY a 20D, to make my bank balance look 1.6x larger.. Or more like 4x larger when comparing to a 1dsmkii purchase.

How many keyboards have you gone through Tim?
I've been preoccupied in the past couple of weeks, and hardly post. It's called this fancy machine, a Playstation 2 with GT4, and actually taking photos - of aircraft anyway.

[tim]

How many keyboards have I gone thru? I don't get it. Have you been watching me? I just replaced my keyboard at home today ;)

[Tomsk]

I've done some more research regarding this '1.6X' factor.

'X' is the 24th letter of the alphabet.
1.6 times 'X' equals the 38.4th letter of the alphabet
Since there is no 38.4th letter of the alphabet, we take the modulus which is 12.4
The letter of the alphabet nearest to the 12.4th position is L

It's a conspiracy!;)

[Chazs]

I've done some more research regarding this '1.6X' factor.

'X' is the 24th letter of the alphabet.
1.6 times 'X' equals the 38.4th letter of the alphabet
Since there is no 38.4th letter of the alphabet, we take the modulus which is 12.4
The letter of the alphabet nearest to the 12.4th position is L

It's a conspiracy!;)


Idle hands are the devils playground! :) (nicely done, though)

[rfreschner]

but I still manage to sneak in some posts when my manager (who is also a member of this forum) is not looking. ;)

Now I know what all my developers are doing!! Of course, I hope my boss doesn't suddenly develop an interest in photography or I could be in deep doo doo also!! :lol:

[rfreschner]

Programming while drunk is less productive than surfing the net - you write bad code that you have to fix later! When I lived in Ireland the company policy was "drink at lunchtime, don't come back to work", which was fine with us ;)

Back in my "drinking at lunch days", we were programming in Cobol and how much real trouble could you get into then??!! And, there was no Internet, so all we had to bide our time was hanging out with the young ladies. Oh well..........

[CyberDyneSystems]

Holy crap Tim, you are now a gold member. When do you sleep?

When he's reading posts... :lol: :lol:

[CyberDyneSystems]

You go for it Tim. CDS is posting at a rate of 15.73 per day whereas you are up there at 18.13. Go Kiwi!


If he gets within striking range,. I may actually put some effort into this to hold my title ;)

[condyk]

Wow, my eyes are opened. I really though it was the additional length in inches that developed to our dangly bits when we moved from a point and shoot to a DSLR!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: ... or maybe that happens when you start getting L(ength) lenses!

[lancea]

... I do J2EE, build times and server startup times can be long enough, on the last project a full build took half a day if things went right, or up to a week if it didn't
Thank goodness you have another hobby :lol:

But on with the thread ... Is it really true? When I move to a 1x my 17-40 instantly becomes a really nice wide-angle. I will just use the money I've saved to buy a longer telephoto. In all practical terms it will be free (with perhaps even a little change if I don't insist on an L). In fact, I think the only way I'll ever afford a 1x is through buying more glass for my 20D ;)