New Canon Rebel T1i

[John_TX]

Here it is folks. It's the Rebel T1i (NOT the 500D).

[Monday]

They took the video down but left up a description.

http://uk.truveo.com/Canon-EOS-Rebel-T1i/id/2750755231#

It does HD video just not sure what type yet

[Artisticmind]

Nice. Kinda excited about this I just want to see a price.

[low note lee]

So we'll have the 1000D, the 450D, the T1i, and the 50D. What's gonna differentiate these products from each other?

[Monday]

So we'll have the 1000D, the 450D, the T1i, and the 50D. What's gonna differentiate these products from each other?

Video!:cool:

[Playonpics.com]

and the 40D... thats not discontinued yet

[John_TX]

Canon's Rebel DSLR line is quickly looking like the PowerShot line.

[Artisticmind]

Loosk like it will be:

(720p @ 30 frames/sec and 1080p and 20 frames/sec).

[Tom W]

T1i in the US, 500D in Europe. This body seems likely to me, and it'll sell like hotcakes.

[Pit Agoras]

1080p and 20 frames/sec

seems to be a typing error ... 20 = nonsens

[Jesse!]

This is awesome, I hope I can afford it! haha. Swivel LCD + Video = <3

I take lots of self portraits and have a interest in video so this would be awesome for me! Even though I did just buy a XSi in September.

[_aravena]

Swivel? Where's the info, I can't find it. Man...it's like a huge S series. I was wondering how long before that was going to happen. Those things are going to sell sell sell and I'm going to get one.

[NickSimcheck]

Well the video is gone...

[RaymondXTi]

I don't see any video or info in the link posted... oh well.

[skulpt]

Give me 24p video at 1080p, and I'll buy it just for the video. My guess is though that it will be more crippled than the 5D2 for video.

[gary88]

:yawn:

more gimmicks

[brandon9585]

Canon already threw it up on their site.

http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&fcategoryid=139&modelid=18385

[SirStuey]

Hmm, a few extra iso settings were added. But will isos 3200, 6400, and 12800 really going to be usable?

I suppose the HDMI port makes sense.

[BEphoto]

here is the full press release.

http://www.usa.canon.com/templatedata/pressrelease/20090325_t1i.html

[form]

So I guess the question is...why get a 50D when this new camera does 98% of what the 50D does, plus video?

[joruiz]

Perhaps a silly question... The 50D has the Digic IV engine.. is it possible that Canon might release a firmware update to add video capabilities?

It's just that it doesn't make sense to me that a Rebel does video and the 50D doesn't.

I was about to buy a 50D, but now I really don't know what to do.

[kellieprinzel]

I hate my life. I wonder how much it is. All I wanted to add to my XSi was live video and now...now they have it. LAME

[BEphoto]

I hate my life. I wonder how much it is. All I wanted to add to my XSi was live video and now...now they have it. LAME

$799 according to the release.

[Jesse!]

I hate my life. I wonder how much it is. All I wanted to add to my XSi was live video and now...now they have it. LAME

I feel the same, you're not alone.

I like it a lot, If I had the money too I would, especially if it had the articulating lcd that was rumored. The specs are awesome and it's a really sweet camera, but not enough for me to shell out 899/799 even though it's a stellar price...plus I just bought my XSi back in September.

[The Moose]

I don't see how they can do that? It's near identical to a 50D, it's even got ISO 3200, expandable to 12800! It's a 50D in a smaller body, with an inferior AF system (in terms of cross type sensors, IIRC) and slower FPS rate! I guess it's just the way it's going. You pay more for the better built body of the 50D, even though it's the same specs pretty much.

[swag72]

I struggle with the video thing. I bought a DSLR to take pictures, if I wanted video I'd buy a camcorder. I personally hope that this is not the way for all DSLR's to go - I'd rather they spent their efforts on better photography wizardry than cramming a video recorder in.

Just my 2p worth!

[FlyingPhotog]

I struggle with the video thing. I bought a DSLR to take pictures, if I wanted video I'd buy a camcorder. I personally hope that this is not the way for all DSLR's to go - I'd rather they spent their efforts on better photography wizardry than cramming a video recorder in.

Just my 2p worth!

There's nothing really being "crammed in."

All they're doing is providing a conduit by which you can record Live View.

Now, if you want to debate the merits of Live View... ;)

[coldcase]

Perhaps a silly question... The 50D has the Digic IV engine.. is it possible that Canon might release a firmware update to add video capabilities?

It's just that it doesn't make sense to me that a Rebel does video and the 50D doesn't.

I was about to buy a 50D, but now I really don't know what to do.

It has always been like that. Rebel line = lots of bang for the buck. Was true with the Xti 30D, Xsi 40D and now T1i 50D.

If you like better ergonomics, faster fps, better viewfinder, better AF etc...you will get a 40D or 50D. Same reason why someone will buy a 1dMkIII over a 50D.

If video is a must for you then T1i :)

[deming]

Well, they haven't really explained how well it handles noise through the all the ISO ranges very well. Is it as good as a 40D, which in my opinion is better than a 50D. IQ is king.

[ozziepuppy]

I struggle with the video thing. I bought a DSLR to take pictures, if I wanted video I'd buy a camcorder. I personally hope that this is not the way for all DSLR's to go - I'd rather they spent their efforts on better photography wizardry than cramming a video recorder in.

Just my 2p worth!

+1 ;)


By the way, there is no articulating screen:
352299

[davidfig]

Video will be great when it works more like a camcorder. The Panasonic GH1 holds more promise. But what's with the 20fps, sure isn't limited by the hardware.

[John_TX]

Video will be great when it works more like a camcorder. The Panasonic GH1 holds more promise. But what's with the 20fps, sure isn't limited by the hardware.

It may be if they're under-clocking the DiGiC 4 chip to keep it at 3.4 fps (and subsequently 20fps video due to chip speed).

This seems likely as 3.4fps just seems like an odd frame rate if it were a firmware limitation (e.g. if it were a firmware limitation, why not make it an even 3.0 or 3.5fps for shooting speed and 29.97fps for video)?

I'm guessing they're either under-clocking (under-voltage) the DiGiC 4 so that they can use smaller/lighter batteries in the Rebel OR, they're using DiGiC 4 chips that didn't bin as well as those needed for the 5D Mk II or 50D.

Such a practice is VERY common in the semiconductor industry. Intel, for example, may have 5-7 different speed-rated chips, all coming off the same fab and even the same silicone wafer.

[davidfig]

It may be if they're under-clocking the DiGiC 4 chip to keep it at 3.4 fps (and subsequently 20fps video due to chip speed).

This seems likely as 3.4fps just seems like an odd frame rate if it were a firmware limitation (e.g. if it were a firmware limitation, why not make it an even 3.0 or 3.5fps for shooting speed and 29.97fps for video)?

I'm guessing they're either under-clocking (under-voltage) the DiGiC 4 so that they can use smaller/lighter batteries in the Rebel OR, they're using DiGiC 4 chips that didn't bin as well as those needed for the 5D Mk II or 50D.

Such a practice is VERY common in the semiconductor industry. Intel, for example, may have 5-7 different speed-rated chips, all coming off the same fab and even the same silicone wafer.

Although somewhat true, I don't believe that the hardware is the limitation. The limitation is the product lineup. Can't have this camera doing what the 5D can do. So reduce the fps, reduce the movie mode, etc.

[John_TX]

Although somewhat true, I don't believe that the hardware is the limitation. The limitation is the product lineup. Can't have this camera doing what the 5D can do. So reduce the fps, reduce the movie mode, etc.

Yep, obviously they wouldn't put it's capabilities on the same level as the 5D Mk II. I was discussing more of the hardware options in how to achieve such a result, that's all.

[lowrider]

Link:

http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&fcategoryid=139&modelid=18385

Lou

[ToddR]

Canon's naming conventions drive me nuts.

[_aravena]

Well, I'll buy it. Crap...now what to get the g/f. I can't let her use that. :lol:

[ceriltheblade]

That is a really attractive camera for the likes of me. In regards to the various limits...If indeed it is a matter of firmware/software crippling and not hardware, then maybe some computer stud will figure out the digic 4 like they did with the digic 2 and ?3?. But for my use, 3 plus frames per second is definitely fine. I think that everyone now is waiting to see IQ and ISO samples...since the 50d didn't blow the 40d out of the water, then I still think it is advisable to wait and see.....

[davidfig]

Also looks like mono sound and no mic input.

[dima1109]

Although somewhat true, I don't believe that the hardware is the limitation. The limitation is the product lineup. Can't have this camera doing what the 5D can do. So reduce the fps, reduce the movie mode, etc.
It's both. The hardware (the chip) is inferior to the 50D chip in a way that it is produced and tested to perform reliably at lower frequencies (perhaps) compared to the DiGiC 4 chips that go into 50D and 5D2. The best samples go to 5D2s, the slightly worse ones go into 50Ds, the rest will end up in T1is. This is the same practice as Intel uses for selecting their chips. The reason there are many variants of Core 2 Duo is because of both marketing (all chips cost the same to produce anyway, so it's pretty easy to set and label them differently) and the inherent imperfections in production (some chips simply don't work on as high of frequencies as others). Whoever has ever tried overclocking their CPU or GPU in their computers know exactly what I'm talking about.

Maybe some brave soul can volt-mod the image processor in the T1i to do 6fps :D Then it would be an absolute KILLER camera for the price.

[KayakPhotos]

1080p and 20 frames/sec

seems to be a typing error ... 20 = nonsens

I think it really is 20 fps. And you're right. 20 FPS is worthless for movie shooting. This won't be replacing anyone's HD cam probably....

[_aravena]

I don't think it's suppose to. I want one though...I think. I've been using LV lately just cause and if the video looks anything like LV does, it does look quite fun. The sample vids from the 5DMkII were quite cool.

[John_TX]

I am really surprised that Canon put native ISO 3200, and H1 6400, H2 12800 ISO levels in a Rebel! Among other things, this is one less feature that Canon previously used to distinguish between the xxD & Rebel line.

Another thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is that Canon seems to have made a mistake by developing the 12MP sensor in the 450D/XSi, only to mothball it for a 15MP sensor in the next models.
To my knowledge, that was the first (and so far only) Rebel sensor that hasn't also been shared with the xxD line.

I'm thinking Canon barely (if even) recovered R&D costs on the 12MP sensor before the T1i release.

Look back at all the previous models and how they've all basically shared the same underlying CMOS sensor: They've historically had about 3 models to help off-set the cost of their lower end sensors.
This tells me that Canon really jumped the gun and fell right into the "Megapickles" race.

6.5MP - 10D, D60, Original Digital Rebel
8.2MP - 30D, 20D, 300D
10.1MP - 40D, 400D, 1000D
12.2MP - 450D
15.1MP - 50D, 500D (T1i)

Since the 21MP 5D Mk II has at least another 2 years left in it's product cycle, I can't imagine Canon ramping up the MP count in the next 2 Rebel releases by much (if any). On the other hand, it would not surprise me if we had a 21MP Rebel when the 5D Mk II is retired (since they did it with the original 5D & 450D). Different sensors, but nevertheless.

[KayakPhotos]

Since the 21MP 5D Mk II has at least another 2 years left in it's product cycle, I can't imagine Canon ramping up the MP count in the next 2 Rebel releases by much (if any). On the other hand, it would not surprise me if we had a 21MP Rebel when the 5D Mk II is retired (since they did it with the original 5D & 450D). Different sensors, but nevertheless.

They would have to have a totally redesigned crop sensor in order to pull off more than 15MP I think. They are going to start losing dynamic range (already started at 15) and all the noise reduction will be digital and make high ISO images look fake. It will be interesting to see where Canon goes with the sensors in the future.

[joruiz]

So perhaps the megapixel race will halt for a while, and they will improve quality more than quantity... I really hope so.

[John_TX]

Me too, but the only thing that worries me are the pixel densities in the latest P&S cameras!
Geezus, a couple of the Powershot models are at 14.7MP, all on a sensor about 1/4 the size of a crop sensor! Insane!

I'm hoping the latest P&S releases will serve as a MP density wall and hopefully all the manufacturer's get together and coordinate marketing campaigns wean folks off the more MP = better camera mentality.
I think Canon is really missing out on a totally new direction they could take the industry with regards to capturing full dynamic range scenes.

This is exacerbated by the fact that most P&S users rarely print larger than 5x7.
Not to mention the 6MB, 4,416 x 3,312 jpegs I routinely get in my inbox from family members with the latest & greatest P&S cameras who don't have a clue about resizing pics before sending....and they wonder why it takes a couple hours to e-mail photos on their dial-up connection! Haha!

[thelivo]

It seems to me that there isn't much of a "hole" between the 500D and the 5D for the new mid range camera whenever it may occur UNLESS they are going to move it to Full Frame. I really really hope thats what happens. A slightly descoped version of the 5DII would be my perfect camera, especially if they aimed it at sports shooters - less megapickles (thanks to whoever used that word before it made me chuckle) but more FPS and good AF, with the larger form factor. Video? meh, less bothered, but live view could be good shooting from funny angles.

[NamJunNah]

Canon says suggested retail is $900. If I think about it more, it's a reasonable price. I'll just wait and see how people say about it.

[_aravena]

$899 with the lens. As much as I want one, it's more of a toy for me than anything but I could use a good Rebel for my g/f to use at weddings as I want an older XT or 20D to be my IR camera. Idk...so many plans.

[NamJunNah]

Oh $900 w/ lens. Makes it a more reasonable price.

60D may come out end of this year or early next year. I would rather save but who knows.

[kellieprinzel]

I've decided to sell my XSi even though I've only had it for a month. Also, one of my old point and shoots I'm selling to a friend for 125$ what really sucks though is even though I've only had it for a month I'm probably only going to be able to get back like 600 maybe 650$ for it. With tax + a 4gig. memory it was about 810$

I JUST REALLLLLLLY WANT THE LIVE VIDEO. really bad.

[kellieprinzel]

$799 according to the release.


I think that's just for the body though. I guess I could always sell my XSi body and keep the lens though...for some reason that hasn't crossed my mind. Silly me.

[kellieprinzel]

I feel the same, you're not alone.

I like it a lot, If I had the money too I would, especially if it had the articulating lcd that was rumored. The specs are awesome and it's a really sweet camera, but not enough for me to shell out 899/799 even though it's a stellar price...plus I just bought my XSi back in September.

AHHHH! swivel would have been totally stellar. Didn't sony do that recently with an SLR? It seems as though I've glanced at one recently.

[Rivman]

Wow a new camera - Canon hype (read: marketing) at its finest ! :rolleyes:
At that price, with all those features, they won't be able to keep em in stock, so you better get your order in now for the May release date ! ;)

[Farsad]

T1i (http://fototalk.net/photography-equipments/canon-announces-eos-500d-rebel-digital-t1i-x3/)\ 500D Canon announcement (http://fototalk.net/photography-equipments/canon-announces-eos-500d-rebel-digital-t1i-x3/)

T1i \ (http://fototalk.net/photography-equipments/canon-eos-500d-rebel-digital-t1i-x3-full-specificati)500D Full Specifications (http://fototalk.net/photography-equipments/canon-eos-500d-rebel-digital-t1i-x3-full-specificati)