Will there be a 5D3 any time soon?

[Hazey]

I have been watching the 5D2 debates and acknowledged the disappointment that Canon neglected to fix the AF issues with the original 5D. I can't help but wonder how much longer we will need to wait for it's successor. Any punts? Am thinking maybe I should stick to my 40D a bit longer....or shouldn't I hold my breath?

[stathunter]

My guess is that updated bodies will be a bit slower than they have been in the past-- due to the economic slowdown. Stick to what you have and learn to use it, well. The odds are the body can out perform you the shooter.

[TaDa]

I wouldn't hold my breath. I'd figure around 3 years

[basroil]

5d was released more than 40 months ago, 5dmkii was released 6 months ago, so at the very least i expect you'll have to wait two years before the next one, likely closer to three years

[FlyingPhotog]

I want to know more about these "focusing issues" with the original 5D...

Mine doesn't have any. ???

[timnosenzo]

I want to know more about these "focusing issues" with the original 5D...

Mine doesn't have any. ???

Mine either.

Retailers haven't even reduced the price on the 5D MKII yet, they still have trouble keeping them in stock, I'd say a new one is AT LEAST a year away.

[gcl.photography]

I just picked up my 5D a few weeks back, and the AF issues are way better than people post.

Coming from a 20D-30D and 40D, I have to admit that the 5D2 was a HUGE improvement in AF (i.e. AI SERVO Mode).

I've shot basketball and for the suburu club at the belleville track in Ontario with the 5D2, and the AF is fast, and bang on. The 6 "invisible AF assist" points dramatically increases the accuracy of AF tracking, and I love my 5D2.

Don't get me wrong, the 5D2 still lags behind the 1D3 in AF performance, but WAY better than the 40D IMHO.

[matonanjin]

I just picked up my 5D a few weeks back, and the AF issues are way better than people post.

Coming from a 20D-30D and 40D, I have to admit that the 5D2 was a HUGE improvement in AF (i.e. AI SERVO Mode).

I've shot basketball and for the suburu club at the belleville track in Ontario with the 5D2, and the AF is fast, and bang on. The 6 "invisible AF assist" points dramatically increases the accuracy of AF tracking, and I love my 5D2.

Don't get me wrong, the 5D2 still lags behind the 1D3 in AF performance, but WAY better than the 40D IMHO.

Hmmm. Maybe they have made improvement in the 5DMKII over the classic. When I am shooting sports I have to go to my 40D for the AF speed. But I shoot with the classic.

[dutchin]

i love my original 5d, i dont think ill be going to the mkii for a while, but talk of a mkiii makes me feel as if i now have a vintage camera! haha slow down people!

[Hazey]

I just hear a lot of people say that they wish the 5D and the 5D2 had the AF of the 40D...especially in low light. With the 5D2 it doesn't make sense to have iso25000 if the thing can't get a lock in such low light circumstances....that's what makes me think it must be over exaggerated. I have heard people comment that in low light the 5d and 5D2 can hunt and not lock.
However I can't wait two years for the 5D3 so gcl.photography I am glad to hear that you think it's over exaggerated.

[Shamir]

Canon spent around 4 years to update the original 5D (correct me if im wrong please, i think it was in 2004 right?) so I guess no update soon..

[tkoutdoor]

I have been watching the 5D2 debates and acknowledged the disappointment that Canon neglected to fix the AF issues with the original 5D. I can't help but wonder how much longer we will need to wait for it's successor. Any punts? Am thinking maybe I should stick to my 40D a bit longer....or shouldn't I hold my breath?You've got to be kidding. The 5D MkII is one of the most recent releases and you already want another? The 1Ds and 1D lines haven't been upgraded in some time now. Certainly they would be well ahead of another 5D variation. The 5D MkI has had one of the longer lifespans of the Canon lines and IMO the 5D MkII will be the same way. It's in competition with the pro FF at some level so I certainly wouldn't expect a new 5D for quite some time. There's always the 1Ds MkII or 1Ds MkIII to go to if you've got to have something different that's a mixed variation of lesser, greater, and equal qualities compared to the 5D2. A lot of folks are looking at a used 1Ds MkII as an alternative to the 5D2 (including me).

[borism]

What I can say is that 5D2s are being sold almost as they arrive to the dealers, stock is scarce
the reviews are great,
Canon cant ship them fast ebough, not even the batteries are available fast enough
its CNET Gadget of the year I believe and Pophoto will have it at least as a candidate for Camera of the year
So don't spect any 5D3 anytime soon, the 5D2 is doing just fine for Canon and will for some time

[Karl Johnston]

The 1D mark IV will be next, followed by the 1ds mark IV or whatever equivalent (who wants to bet it will have video ?)

[DarthVader]

Not soon, if they are going to I doubt they'll put 1D AF, maximum 50D AF.

I have been watching the 5D2 debates and acknowledged the disappointment that Canon neglected to fix the AF issues with the original 5D. I can't help but wonder how much longer we will need to wait for it's successor. Any punts? Am thinking maybe I should stick to my 40D a bit longer....or shouldn't I hold my breath?

[GMCPhotographics]

The time span between the 5D and 5DII was a little over 3 years. But the 5D was more readily available than the 5DII, so in my case it's been a 3.5 year wait.
The 5D still remains a terrific camera, but the 5DII is a notable improvement.

[DigitalSpecialist]

The 5D has issues?? :eek: My ex-wife:twisted:had/has issues. I didn't trade her in!:oops:

[dmstraton]

The af issues are in my opinion way overexaggerated. I had the 40D and while maybe a tiny bit faster, they were in no way more accurate than my 5D II - including servo...if the keeper rate was better in Servo it was only because it was firing off more shots.

[GMCPhotographics]

The 40D's AF system is very different to the 5D and 5DII. Owning all three, I would say that one is better than the other, Just different. My 400mm f5.6L is better on my 40D, but my 85IIL and 135L behave better on my 5D/5DII...so draw your own conclusions.
What I'd say is that het 40D is tuned for speed and sports where as the 5D range seem to be tuned for portraiture ect...
It's just my take on them, maybe your findings are different

[tkoutdoor]

The 5D has issues?? :eek: My ex-wife:twisted:had/has issues. I didn't trade her in!:oops:Isn't that something that one can only say with one's current wife? ;)

That would be like saying... "The 5D that I used to have had issues, but I didn't trade it in. ...wait, I don't have my 5D anymore!"

[DennisW1]

I have been watching the 5D2 debates and acknowledged the disappointment that Canon neglected to fix the AF issues with the original 5D. I can't help but wonder how much longer we will need to wait for it's successor. Any punts? Am thinking maybe I should stick to my 40D a bit longer....or shouldn't I hold my breath?


Good Grief!!

[lbennett]

I don't think that we will be waiting 3+ years for a 5d update. The market is changing and competition is increasing. Just look at how much the entry level camera market and prosumer xxd market has sped up in recent years.

[CMcKee]

They'll milk the 5d mII for as much as possible, but it would be cool if they put sporty version of the 5d. So you just have to get both :p

[Karl Johnston]

Could "Af-Issues" be the fact that most of you complaining about AF issues don't know how to work a camera properly?

Fix that issue by going here:

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=Canon+AF+modes&btnG=Search&meta=

[scot079]

The 5D has issues?? :eek: My ex-wife:twisted:had/has issues. I didn't trade her in!:oops:

What?

[dolina]

5d was announced August 22, 2005

5d2 was announced September 17, 2008.

So 3 years and one month. If Canon sticks to that product cycle expect a replacement in Q3 2011. In the same way I a expect a 1Ds3 replacement in 2010 and 1D3 replacement by the end of the year.

[Colorblinded]

Canon spent around 4 years to update the original 5D (correct me if im wrong please, i think it was in 2004 right?) so I guess no update soon..
3ish... it came out in 2005, about 10 months after I got my 1D Mark II. At times I wish I had traded it in for the 5D.

Now I just want a 5D Mark II and to keep my 1D Mark II.

Improved AF would be nice, especially more cross type points, but for the way I shoot it won't really be a problem with the 5D2's AF.

[dolina]

Knowing what I know now I would've upgraded to a 5D instead of a 40D from a 10D.

[anthony11]

What I'd say is that het 40D is tuned for speed and sports where as the 5D range seem to be tuned for portraiture etc...

I've read this many times, but precious little experience is given with the in-between uses: shooting people who aren't posing. Babies, toddlers, older kids running around. The 5DmkII would be a no-brainer for me if I could feel secure that it would handle indoor shooting of my son. I keep looking at the Nikon D700 for the reasons we've all read, but their lens constellation keeps leaving a bad taste in my mouth.

[thatkatmat]

I've read this many times, but precious little experience is given with the in-between uses: shooting people who aren't posing. Babies, toddlers, older kids running around. The 5DmkII would be a no-brainer for me if I could feel secure that it would handle indoor shooting of my son. I keep looking at the Nikon D700 for the reasons we've all read, but their lens constellation keeps leaving a bad taste in my mouth.

1/2 of what I shoot are kids running around indoors, the 5Dmk2 and a solid 50mm lens is perfect for this.

[anthony11]

You get a decent keeper percentage without flash indoors? Servo AF? Do you use the center focus point or let the camera pick?

I'm in Seattle too so my light is the same as yours :D

[thatkatmat]

The 40D's AF system is very different to the 5D and 5DII. Owning all three, I would say that one is better than the other, Just different. My 400mm f5.6L is better on my 40D, but my 85IIL and 135L behave better on my 5D/5DII...so draw your own conclusions.
What I'd say is that het 40D is tuned for speed and sports where as the 5D range seem to be tuned for portraiture ect...
It's just my take on them, maybe your findings are different

Spot on, I couldn't agree more.

furthermore...The 5Dmk2 doesn't have the 1D series AF, it's also thousands of dollars less. But I shoot my daughter sparring in Taekwondo and it nails the shots in crap light at high ISO's and wide apertures......

[thatkatmat]

You get a decent keeper percentage without flash indoors? Servo AF? Do you use the center focus point or let the camera pick?

I'm in Seattle too so my light is the same as yours :D


Yes, I get a high percentage of keepers, I use center point in those situations.

[DDCSD]

To answer the question in the thread title, no.

From what everyone that owns the 5DMkII says, there is no issue with AF. It is actually becoming quite popular with the sports shooting community.

The people complaining about the AF either hasn't used it (the 5D or the 5DMkII) or are just looking for something to complain about.

[mattograph]

I shoot volleyball with zero focusing issues with this camera. Holds focus, locks quickly. One thing that helps is the fast glass. But, anyone looking at this camera MUST realize that cheap (slow) glass is gonna suck IQ wise on this body. You must shoot the good stuff on this camera body.

[Bkolowski111]

I have been watching the 5D2 debates and acknowledged the disappointment that Canon neglected to fix the AF issues with the original 5D. I can't help but wonder how much longer we will need to wait for it's successor. Any punts? Am thinking maybe I should stick to my 40D a bit longer....or shouldn't I hold my breath?

Patience people!!!!! The 5D MKII JUST came out!!!!!

[Skrim17]

The 40D was barely wet behind the ears when the 50D came out.

[anthony11]

I shoot volleyball with zero focusing issues with this camera. Holds focus, locks quickly. One thing that helps is the fast glass. But, anyone looking at this camera MUST realize that cheap (slow) glass is gonna suck IQ wise on this body. You must shoot the good stuff on this camera body.

Indoor or outdoor? You use one of the f2.8 zooms?

[mattograph]

Indoor or outdoor? You use one of the f2.8 zooms?


Indoor. on the full frame, its the 70-200 2.8.

[photomatt8]

The 40D was barely wet behind the ears when the 50D came out.


This is very true... I think Canon will have to speed up that 3 year span to not lose FF market share to the FASTER D700. Who really wants video in a DSLR anyway? We need speed and AF.

[Colorblinded]

Who really wants video in a DSLR anyway? We need speed and AF.
Realistically I don't need any of these.

[Dave-F]

All these gorgeous cameras on the market and already, someone is asking about the next model. I'm sure my 5D will keep me happy for a few more years and in the meantime, I'll concentrate on using my hard earned cash on L glass.

[Hazey]

My question about the next model was entirely based on complaints I had heard that with all the wonderful bells and whistles on the MKII, they had still failed to replace the crappy AF system of the original 5D. That concerned me.
At the rate the xxxD and xxD series are being superseeded, I didn't think it was a dumb question. I am not imaptient...it was merely a question...;)

Having said that, I went ahead and purchased this camera and am 100% happy.....and have seen no sign at all of the 'crappy AF system', in fact it is on par with my 40D as far as that goes.
I have come to the same conclusion to may 5D and 5D2 users...those that complain do not own one.:D

[nuffi]

PPL here seem to moan about everything. It is all just noise and has very little real world value.

Get the camera you want, go out and enjoy the images you can create with it.

[manipula]

The people complaining about the AF either hasn't used it (the 5D or the 5DMkII) or are just looking for something to complain about.

PPL here seem to moan about everything. It is all just noise and has very little real world value.

Get the camera you want, go out and enjoy the images you can create with it.

I rarely venture into the rumours and gear sections anymore, because amongst the genuine news or advice, there's a flood of utterly pintless moaning and conjecture about pretty much nothing. It almost always stems from mindless and inexperienced photographers too, looking for a way to spout off.

With that in mind the above two comments sum up the original question perfectly. The original 5D is still, awesome. The new one is sublime. Buy either and thoroughly enjoy your photography, it's as simple a connection as that.

But regarding specific complaints about the focussing in the 5D2, I suggest 99.9% of complainants and the source of the conjecture haven't used one in anger. Just because there's the same number and layout of points as the original doesn't make them the same system, and mirroring what some have said here, I've now got a flurry of sports and theatre (very low light) photographers using them who are dropping everything from 40Ds, 50Ds and 1DMkIIn's for the 5D and loving it.

It will be ages before the 5D3 arrives, but in the meantime, I think the number of actual photographers who can exploit the 5D2 enough to show up genuine weaknesses as opposed to just wanting to complain a bit will be minute. Harsh but true.

[thatkatmat]

^^^ Well said^^^



Off topic,
Some really great shots on your Flickr, The"landscape" with the tripod and lighthouse is really nice......and interesting, especially after reading the text.....Cheers

[manipula]

Thank you. :)