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tsamarin
2nd of April 2009 (Thu), 20:34
Looking through this forum, I see a bunch of posts that go something like this: "someone's asked me to shoot their wedding-what do you think of my gear?" I've read the replies to these posts and have come to see them as realistic if somewhat blunt. So, while my post is in the same vein, it is somewhat different.

I've got a friend with a daughter about to get married. The daughter has a buddy that is going to shoot the wedding and provide both still & video images. This is supposed to be a "Blair Witch" look. My friend has asked me to shoot candids of the guests while the pro is shooting the B&G and to try to sneak in the occasional traditional shot as a back-up.

How do you say no? Sure, I've told him that wedding photography is a specialty and requires specialized equipment as well as hard-won knowledge on the part of the people who do it for a living. He still says to give it a shot. As far as I'm concerned, I'd like to try a couple of shots-just from the perspective of becoming a better photographer. It's all about using a camera to record good images, right?

Believe me, I don't have any desire to become a wedding photographer. I'm strictly a hobbyist and my thing is shooting transportation subjects and landscapes. I'm unwilling to invest the time needed to learn the craft or maintain the strict professionalism of a wedding pro.

I wouldn't mind dabbling, though. So, (finally) here's some questions that I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts on:

I'm using a 30D and I see where the 17-55 f/2.8 is recommended for crop cameras. Is that to avoid using flash or to emphasize the subjects with selective DOF? Or is just because of the focal length range?

I know what you mean when you say that using flash is an art. I'm aware of my own shortcomings-harsh light, strange shadows, etc. While I've been trying to use bounce flash effectively, I have a lot to learn. Does a flash bracket help? I use a 430EX and was considering renting a more powerful 580EX. Would I be better off renting a faster lens and leaving flash alone since I haven't mastered it?

I was thinking that I'd use my 24-105 and 17-40 and just keep switching lenses. Is this delusional? I'd rent another body if I was the only shooter, but problably won't in my auxilliary role. Am I going to find that the changes are too hard and end up using the 17-70 for everything?

Should I just rent the damn 17-55? I kind of wanted to master the gear I own; but I also realize that all these different lenses exist because they excel at specific tasks and not others.

I appreciate any input you would be willing to offer. Remember, I know my limitations and I understand that I'm not equipped to be the photographer for this important day, but in the context of what I'll be doing, how can I be reasonably competent at it?

tim
2nd of April 2009 (Thu), 23:04
17-55 F2.8 IS is recommended because it's a good range, reduces or eliminates the need for a tripod, and lets you shoot in low light without relying on flash. It's a good all round lens.

I don't bother with brackets, I have one but never use it. Bounced flash, off camera flash, and high ISO are the ways I do things. The 580EX is only one stop more powerful than a 430, don't bother.

Since there's a pro and you're just there for a laugh just use the 24-105 all day. If you need wider just stand further away, which is a problem in tight spaces or small rooms.

alt4852
2nd of April 2009 (Thu), 23:13
the 17-55 is popular because the 2.8 and IS offer versatility. wedding photography has a very dynamic range of lighting scenarios and being able to compensate for low light while keeping a small light lens is valuable. if you're just an auxiliary photographer, i wouldn't bother renting a lot of gear. your 30D+24-105L+430EX should do you fine.

Bkolowski111
2nd of April 2009 (Thu), 23:52
if you're just an auxiliary photographer, i wouldn't bother renting a lot of gear. your 30D+24-105L+430EX should do you fine.

+ 1

Sglshotkw
3rd of April 2009 (Fri), 09:15
The 17-55 is a great lens but what you have will suit you well, only thing the 17-55 would give you is the 2.8 and IS(for low light and no flash) and a little wider on the 17 side compaired to your 24-105

Go with what you have and have fun!

cory1848
3rd of April 2009 (Fri), 10:07
I have similar gear and get by fine. Another option to the 17-55 is the Tamron 17-50 2.8. Great lens, I am very happy with and its very sharp and half the price of the Canon. I use this lens 90% of the time. The only reason I would say to rent gear is to try it out. IF you think you want to buy something, rent it first and see if you like it.

I have a bracket as well, though I have a wedding tomorrow that I think I will leave it at home.

tsamarin
3rd of April 2009 (Fri), 13:19
Thank you all for your helpful advice. After hearing your thoughts, I'll probably stay with my lenses, up the ISO as necessary and use the next 4 weeks to practice flash technique. This forum, especially the stickies, has given me a good foundation to build on.

randplaty
3rd of April 2009 (Fri), 13:33
Bounce flash if there's something to bounce off of. Bounce over the shoulder not straight up if possible. If you post some photos of your bounced shots we can help you get better bounce shots.

H20boy
3rd of April 2009 (Fri), 14:27
...and that whole ambient/flash output balance using manual mode

if you have time, practice that. This thread (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=667103)has a link that is invaluable for new flash users. Good luck

tsamarin
8th of April 2009 (Wed), 20:00
Thanks to everyone for their advice. H2Oboy, special thanks for posting the planetneil link. I've read it multiple times and there is some really good advice in there. It's not quite as easy as the author makes it sound, but I'm working on things and finding what works. I'm further along than I would be if I didn't read this forum, fo sho!

cdifoto
8th of April 2009 (Wed), 20:05
How do you say no?
Like this:

No, you bastard! I don't want to shoot. I want to drink. Especially since you're paying.

;)

H20boy
8th of April 2009 (Wed), 23:16
HoosierJoe (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=667103) posted the link that I found. Gotta give credit where credit is due. i'm glad i could 'forward' some good information though.