POTN Aussie Club #6 - What does the 'P' stand for anyway??

[mickeyjuice]

thx. not much treatment. it's as i showed it during the reception :)

Fiar enough. Looked a bit desaturated and vignetted. Great, whatever!

[ofdphoto]

Fiar enough. Looked a bit desaturated and vignetted. Great, whatever!
sorry, i didn't really need to mention it, did i.

[mickeyjuice]

sorry, i didn't really need to mention it, did i.

no, because I can't get stuff like that out of my camera. Should I buy a better one?

:-)

[Michael]

I feel your pain too but I've only just looked at them this morning. I do hate you and your talent. :)

However, I do like the great colours you have elicited out of the rocks and vegetation (post processing or close to natural?) and amazing water colour.

Who's the statue?
Thanks Kev. All these shots are basically as they were out of the camera, with just a slight boost in contrast and vibrance in Lightroom.

No idea who the statue is, I suppose I should have read the plaque. I suppose it's one of the early settlers.

[ofdphoto]

no, because I can't get stuff like that out of my camera. Should I buy a better one?

:-)
probably. just don't buy one from angus. his cameras don't work too good.

[Michael]

probably. just don't buy one from angus. his cameras don't work too good.
Yeah, there seems to be a major problem there, hey... Bloody camera making blurry pictures if you want to expose how you want... :p

[S7000]

probably. just don't buy one from angus. his cameras don't work too good.

lol. Blunt yet subtle........................

[ANGUS]

Yeah, there seems to be a major problem there, hey... Bloody camera making blurry pictures if you want to expose how you want... :p

I exposed exactly how i wanted...

[ofdphoto]

I exposed exactly how i wanted...
*sigh*

[-Pleiades-]

Wow, I'm having flashacks of school here... What's that saying about if something isn't nice then it's not worth saying....

[tangcla]

I exposed exactly how i wanted...

And how was that? To have all the detail lots in the shadows? :D

*jumps on bandwagon*

[ANGUS]

And how was that? To have all the detail lots in the shadows? :D

*jumps on bandwagon*

Detail that was not important anyway. His face was fine.

[tangcla]

Detail that was not important anyway. His face was fine.

I still think you're missing the point...

*headpalm*

[ANGUS]

I still think you're missing the point...

*headpalm*

That there isnt one?

[Bruce_Bird]

I'm using a 70-200 f2.8 and have recently started using a Kenko 2x TC.

I'm undecided about the TC.

It allows me to cover much more of the field and when it works well, it's brilliant, but have to say, I am finding my keeper rate has gone down.

This may be also to do with the fact that last year, I was using the much lighter 70-200 f4 and with the heavier lens + TC, camera shake is more of a problem, especially if light is not too flash, like the last 2 rounds of soccer and footy !
Not using Monopod or similar?
Might sus out a 2x and try that. Took the 70-200 with me, just when the 400 struggled with distance, didnt think to try it. :(

[amsm]

Great action shots. Unfortunately, all my sports shots are indoors stuff and look bland. Make me wish I had kids and could get out to sports events each weekend but such is life.

Thanks.

Yeah, don't go hanging around kids sporting events with a camera if you don't have kids involved...it's bad enough if you do. Had my first (mildly, thankfully) unpleasant encounter this weekend. Guy was belligerent rather than aggressive, but still, not so nice, although it was kind of amusing to see him splutter and look foolish when I flashed the Working With Children card.

[ofdphoto]

Wow, I'm having flashacks of school here... What's that saying about if something isn't nice then it's not worth saying....
hmmm. you might be right. on the other hand, saying nothing when terrible images are presented for feedback is horribly counter-productive, especially when they're presented by someone who is ostensibly only a few exams away from becoming a "qualified" photographer.

on the other hand (that brings it up to 3 hands i need), i've tried everything in my power to help angus (including putting $500 on the line), and none of it has helped, so i guess i should give up.

[Bruce_Bird]

Time for a group hug... No tounges...

[Old Fart]

You can lead a horse to water....................

[alexanderGARDNER]

Angus, the hardest part of becoming unquestionably good at anything is accepting and using critique to improve one's skills especially when it comes from an experienced source. Now that doesn't mean you need to take it all on, no. Take some of that critique and use what you are comfortable with.

The great part of this forum and many others is the free critique. I prefer to receive negative feedback if I can also gain something constructive rather than a plain ol' "Thumbs up" or "I like it". Positive feedback is nice but the world these days is full of "nice" photos and I'm aiming for "extraordinarily good" photography and I hope that’s where you’re aiming for as well. Harsh and brutal critique is just that, harsh and brutal however at first it will not feel good but in this it presents a vital opportunity to improve. Several people have given similar feedback, don’t take offence. Sit back, shake off the bad vibes and have a think about what is really being said.

You have the greatest opportunity here to improve your photography because you have a gear list now no one else had when they started. That is a great foundation, so sit back and think about what you can do for your long term career. There is something to be learned from all this and only you can make it happen.

[tangcla]

*cough* your camera doesn't take good photos like other peoples


:lol:

[ofdphoto]

Time for a group hug... No tounges...
that would be a group kiss ;)

[ofdphoto]

Angus, the hardest part of becoming unquestionably good at anything is accepting and using critique to improve one's skills especially when it comes from an experienced source. Now that doesn't mean you need to take it all on, no. Take some of that critique and use what you are comfortable with.

The great part of this forum and many others is the free critique. I prefer to receive negative feedback if I can also gain something constructive rather than a plain ol' "Thumbs up" or "I like it". Positive feedback is nice but the world these days is full of "nice" photos and I'm aiming for "extraordinarily good" photography and I hope that’s where you’re aiming for as well. Harsh and brutal critique is just that, harsh and brutal however at first it will not feel good but in this it presents a vital opportunity to improve. Several people have given similar feedback, don’t take offence. Sit back, shake off the bad vibes and have a think about what is really being said.

You have the greatest opportunity here to improve your photography because you have a gear list now no one else had when they started. That is a great foundation, so sit back and think about what you can do for your long term career. There is something to be learned from all this and only you can make it happen.
very well said.

as i see it, there are two possibilities here (and i think they apply to most of the images angus has posted lately).

given the fact that those of us willing to say more than "nice pic" haven't had anything good to say:

(1) the photos need to be significantly improved.

(2) angus is a revolutionary artist and none of us have caught on yet.

i'm not saying (2) is an impossibility, but i guess it's up to angus to decided whether or not he actually believes it. otherwise, he'd do well to address (1) ;)

in light of the fact that (2) might prove to be the correct option, i should probably be a little more gracious in expressing my critique, however confident i may be that it is fair and reasonable ;)

:p

[mickeyjuice]

Time for a group hug... No tounges...
Spoilsport.
You have the greatest opportunity here to improve your photography because you have a gear list now no one else had when they started. That is a great foundation, so sit back and think about what you can do for your long term career. There is something to be learned from all this and only you can make it happen.
+1

*cough* your camera doesn't take good photos like other peoples
Not like Luke's, anyway :-)
that would be a group kiss ;)
I will document it :-)

[BOSS]

probably. just don't buy one from angus. his cameras don't work too good.

Excuses,excuses all the time excuses!!

[kja]

Why are we rehashing this again? B-O-R-I-N-G <yawn>

[amsm]

Not using Monopod or similar?
Might sus out a 2x and try that. Took the 70-200 with me, just when the 400 struggled with distance, didnt think to try it. :(

No, I don't have a monopod (yet). I think I might grab one and see if it helps. Victorian winter mornings (when most of my kids soccer and footy seems to be on) aren't exactly renowned for their good light. The 400D struggles with AF at the best of times and performance at ISO above 400 isn't too flash, so it needs every bit of assistance it can to prevent camera shake.

Edit: I am finding that in some (not all) cases, a heavy crop of a good, sharp image from the 70-200 still results in a better (for screensaver/electronic picture frame etc) image than an uncropped one where the TC has made things struggle a bit.

[wakko]

Why are we rehashing this again? B-O-R-I-N-G <yawn>

on one hand, I agree with Luke on this occasion, but yeah... everyone has their opinions in the end... and it is somewhat tiresome (albeit fun) picking on Angus :)

in the end though, I have many a photo that I think is wonderful and exactly how I intended it to be, only to have it picked to pieces. I learn from that and take it on board (whether I agree with the comments or not) and try and improve later.

photography (as I see it) is all about what I perceive, but it's great that others enjoy what I would call art/beautiful etc too... and I guess, in the end, that's what I strive for..

now... moving right along... :)

[alexanderGARDNER]

NO! WE MUST HANG ONTO THE PAST!!!! :P

[brenno]

I have bitten my tongue for a while, but I can't help but weigh in on this....

How about all those claiming to be "professional" photographers start acting professionally, and quit belittling people for what gear they own, and for what they post up as tax. That's right, it's ****ing photo tax.

I don't beleive Angus posted for C&C as some have claimed, and I don't believe the treatment he has received from some members here befits their status of being "helpful".

Photography is an art, and what all of you need to understand is, is that art is subjective... What pleases some, won't please others.

So you don't like his shots... They're not technically correct... How about you assist in a professional manner to help him improve?? And when he explains why he got took the shots the way he took them, and his limitations, etc, don't treat him like a piece of ****. Listen to him and understand the learning process that we all went through once before.

He's studying photography. What does that mean you might ask yourself?? Well, what it means is that he's learning to become a photographer. We all started somewhere, and yeah, we all took shots that we look back on and say, "wow, I've really improved from when I started out."

I have my flame suit on...

[The Moose]

I tried to stay away from this debate but I'm backing up what Matt's said. Everyone has their reasons and he explained his. There's no need for angry reactions towards his images. Yes, the underexposure didn't appeal to some of you, but it appealed to him and he liked his results.

[mickeyjuice]

So you don't like his shots... They're not technically correct... How about you assist in a professional manner to help him improve??

TBH, Matt, I thought they did, and got told "I like them like that", which is a touch strange.

[-spam-]

TBH, Matt, I thought they did, and got told "I like them like that", which is a touch strange.

Im with you. A few people offered some really good constructive criticism that was all but flat out rejected.

I personally cant wait till I have the time to shoot more and post here just so I can get some CC from those on here that will help be become a better photographer.

[DAdeGroot]

You've earned it...

Thanks Mic :)

I like the little hint of star trails in this. Just after sunset or is the background lighting just as a result of the time lapse?

Well after sunset - shot at a little after 10pm. The glow on the horizon is Brisbane, the glow on the left is the moon (high left out of frame).


I hate you, Dave. :p

That's ok Phil, I'm sure Colin or Michael love you ;-)

You can lead a horse to water....................

I thought it was "You can lead a horse to prune juice, but you can't make him drink it..... nor would you want to!"

I have bitten my tongue for a while, but I can't help but weigh in on this....

(snip snip)



Well said Sir.

[brenno]

TBH, Matt, I thought they did, and got told "I like them like that", which is a touch strange.

Point taken, but there shouldn't be a problem Mic. If he likes them like that, and yes they're not "technically" correct, but he likes them. Plus, he did admit that once he calibrated his montior, they were underexposed, but he still liked the results. If 10 photographers shot the same game as he did, you will have 10 different results from that game. Is everyone going to like what each other has shot??

I know others have said to shoot from the other side to get the light right, and a couple of other pointers to assist, which is great, and I'm sure he appreciated those willing to help, but he did state that he couldn't shoot from the other side.

But to always keep banging on about how someone with his gear shouldn't be posting up **** like these, or words to that effect, its just being counterproductive IMHO.

[ofdphoto]

i tried to be helpful. truly. read it again if you don't believe me.

but you'll have to forgive me for not taking as kindly as i should have to angus' blind defence of creative choices that so far we all agree didn't work out.

fwiw, relative to what i aspire to be, i think most of my photos suck. it's why i post sets of images for critique among other wedding and portrait professionals. i receive critique that i take on board and critique that i ignore. but i appreciate all of it, and express thanks for it wherever possible.

i know for a fact that i'm not alone in finding angus's approach to growth as a photographer (including his responses to critique offered by others) enormously frustrating. i do try to express that frustration constructively but sometimes i fail. i'm sorry. i don't see silence as an option tho.

brenno, while your point that posting images in this thread doesn't represent a request for critique is a good one, i think it's a bit of a grey line. why share if we don't expect honest responses to each image?

and for the record, you're the one going all unprofessional and using virtual swear words here ;)

[S7000]

I have bitten my tongue for a while, but I can't help but weigh in on this....

How about all those claiming to be "professional" photographers start acting professionally, and quit belittling people for what gear they own, and for what they post up as tax. That's right, it's ****ing photo tax.

I don't beleive Angus posted for C&C as some have claimed, and I don't believe the treatment he has received from some members here befits their status of being "helpful".

Photography is an art, and what all of you need to understand is, is that art is subjective... What pleases some, won't please others.

So you don't like his shots... They're not technically correct... How about you assist in a professional manner to help him improve?? And when he explains why he got took the shots the way he took them, and his limitations, etc, don't treat him like a piece of ****. Listen to him and understand the learning process that we all went through once before.

He's studying photography. What does that mean you might ask yourself?? Well, what it means is that he's learning to become a photographer. We all started somewhere, and yeah, we all took shots that we look back on and say, "wow, I've really improved from when I started out."

I have my flame suit on...

I think the reason why it's got to this point (between Luke & Angus) is because the feedback was always kind of rejected. From what I've seen posted, and the comments given to Angus there's always been something, not really excuses or anything, just "reasons" as to why the processing was done, why it was under/over exposed etc. Ie: The bag pipe player and the vignetting, or placement in the frame etc.

I'm by no means a pro, although I would like to make the transition and get full time work from it all, which is why I'll take any C&C I can get and work with it all. As we all know, Angus is trying to learn, like a lot of us, I'd say it's just frustrating for the people willing to critique and image just to be told basically I wont change it because I like it.

In the end it's not about our likes or dislikes. If there's a technical aspect that if changed will give an image a whole new light (mind the pun) then it should be mentioned as it will help the photographer.

Sometimes it's hard to see your own mistakes, sometimes you will keep doing what you're doing over and over until someone is extremely blunt and you do stop and look at what you're doing. In this case, if it's not Luke, or the POTN forum, it could be a teacher, it could result in an F, and it could result in repeating your subjects...All because "I exposed exactly how I wanted".

TBH, Matt, I thought they did, and got told "I like them like that", which is a touch strange.

As above.

That's my $0.02. We can all go back to Collins Mankini now................

Ps. I'm not really for or against the Angus bashing, some things are harsh, others are true...Just saying is all.

[S7000]

That's ok Phil, I'm sure Colin or Michael love you ;-).

Yeh, I think I'll pass on the man love for the moment thanks.

[brenno]

i tried to be helpful. truly. read it again if you don't believe me.

Luke, I'm sorry, but if what you posted, and have posted in the past, is meant to be helpful, I'd hate to see what you post to be unhelpful. Don't get me wrong, I appluad your effort to assist, but the delivery leaves a bit of a sour taste.

but you'll have to forgive me for not taking as kindly as i should have to angus' blind defence of creative choices that so far we all agree didn't work out.

I don't know that they were creative choices, and FWIW, I didn't find the shots visually apealling (no offence Angus).

fwiw, relative to what i aspire to be, i think most of my photos suck. it's why i post sets of images for critique among other wedding and portrait professionals. i receive critique that i take on board and critique that i ignore. but i appreciate all of it, and express thanks for it wherever possible.

Believe it or not, I completely understand and can sympathise with this statement. I too am my own worst critic (I think we all are), and I take on board comments too, but... What I see happening in many forums, not just here, is that people are forgetting that photography, sorry - a photo is one persons view on things. I think the whole C&C thing can be detrimental to one's own style. I don't want to see a time where we all have to obey a technical guide if you will, of taking a great shot.

i know for a fact that i'm not alone in finding angus's approach to growth as a photographer (including his responses to critique offered by others) enormously frustrating. i do try to express that frustration constructively but sometimes i fail. i'm sorry. i don't see silence as an option tho.

Agreed, it is damn frustrating!!! But, does that mean we should all belittle him for trying?? You don't have to be silent Luke, just patient and a little understanding.

brenno, while your point that posting images in this thread doesn't represent a request for critique is a good one, i think it's a bit of a grey line. why share if we don't expect honest responses to each image?

It is a grey line, but you did say that Angus requested C&C... He didn't.

and for the record, you're the one going all unprofessional and using virtual swear words here ;)

I never claimed to be professional. ;)

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And to Angus...

Please try to respect that you have a wealth of information here, and many people willing to assist you in your goal to become a photographer. Yes, sometimes it can be a little "cold" in here with comments directed your way. Although I can see and understand people's frustrations, it's not an excuse. Please, listen and learn and practice what people suggest. You have your own part to play in this community.

[mickeyjuice]

It is a grey line, but you did say that Angus requested C&C... He didn't.

Why would you post here if not for C&C? It's implied, isn't it?

[ofdphoto]

If 10 photographers shot the same game as he did, you will have 10 different results from that game. Is everyone going to like what each other has shot??

true. but which shot would sell? the artistically under-exposed one that would print as a big black lump, or the one that made the best of a difficult lighting scenario? working photographers (like angus wants to be) don't enjoy the luxury of shooting something "just the way they like it" when the rest of the world thinks it's a crap photo.

But to always keep banging on about how someone with his gear shouldn't be posting up **** like these, or words to that effect, its just being counterproductive IMHO.

defying critique at every turn is counter-productive.

and fwiw, i think it's completely fair to take into account the quality of equipment being used when assessing the merit or otherwise of an image. professional equipment is there to remove limitations. if, with those limitations removed, one still finds it impossible to take a great photo that other people like, and one *still* blames the limitations of his/her equipment etc., then i think it's fair to pass comment on the equipment as part of the critique.

[brenno]

Why would you post here if not for C&C? It's implied, isn't it?

Well yes and no Mic, I guess it's all down to context. Like Luke said, it's a grey line.

I've posted shots here before, not for C&C, but just to share really.

[tangcla]

wait - is that Luke? He's typing without punctuation, if so...

[ofdphoto]

Luke, I'm sorry, but if what you posted, and have posted in the past, is meant to be helpful, I'd hate to see what you post to be unhelpful. Don't get me wrong, I appluad your effort to assist, but the delivery leaves a bit of a sour taste.

perhaps you should go back to the very first time i interacted with angus. i don't deny that i'm blunt with him - much more blunt than i am with others - but this is the product of a long period of seeing subtlety fail to communicate *anything*. of course, if you want to decontextualise everything i say, i'm clearly a heartless bastard.

I don't want to see a time where we all have to obey a technical guide if you will, of taking a great shot.

neither do i. but let's face facts here. has ANYONE had anything positive to say about the images in question? do you not think that calls for a response of some kind? fwiw, i don't much care about the technical aspects of an image. i do care about what they communicate, and on that level, there is still nothing to commend about these images.

Agreed, it is damn frustrating!!! But, does that mean we should all belittle him for trying?? You don't have to be silent Luke, just patient and a little understanding.

see above.

It is a grey line, but you did say that Angus requested C&C... He didn't.

i think we can both agree that posting photos and only accepting "nice shot!" responses is pretty lame. it's the only alternative to accepting critique, really.

I never claimed to be professional. ;)

well, in the context of this thread, neither have i. you do have a professional photography business, however.

[Collin85]

ffs, enough already. Shut up and go buy another one.


Go take a chill pill.

If you are wearing your Mankini i would much prefer the later.

I'm always wearing my mankini, even the time you came over. :lol:

Mmmm, not sure the use of that particular word is all that wise.

Well, most people here know that I ain't serious with alot of stuff I banter about. Most.

[brenno]

true. but which shot would sell? the artistically under-exposed one that would print as a big black lump, or the one that made the best of a difficult lighting scenario? working photographers (like angus wants to be) don't enjoy the luxury of shooting something "just the way they like it" when the rest of the world thinks it's a crap photo.

You're 100% right.

But Angus isn't, and as far as I know, wasn't out there shooting to sell his shot's. Remember, he's learning his trade...

defying critique at every turn is counter-productive.

Yes and no. ;)

and fwiw, i think it's completely fair to take into account the quality of equipment being used when assessing the merit or otherwise of an image. professional equipment is there to remove limitations. if, with those limitations removed, one still finds it impossible to take a great photo that other people like, and one *still* blames the limitations of his/her equipment etc., then i think it's fair to pass comment on the equipment as part of the critique.

Hmmm. I don't know about this.

[Collin85]

How about I pay some tax, seeing as I haven't used the camera for ages.


http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm240/Sinkrate/IMG_5770.jpg




Simply awesome!

[Collin85]

Went out to continue my timelapse project tonight, and after I was done, took a couple of night landscapes. Here's one:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3553/3517752015_e56ac81a99_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dadegroot/3517752015/)

And now, methinks, it's time to crawl into the nice warm bed.

Well captured Grigori.

[Collin85]

that would be a group kiss ;)

More like.. group pash. So, who's in? :lol:

[Collin85]

I have bitten my tongue for a while, but I can't help but weigh in on this....

How about all those claiming to be "professional" photographers start acting professionally, and quit belittling people for what gear they own, and for what they post up as tax. That's right, it's ****ing photo tax.

I don't beleive Angus posted for C&C as some have claimed, and I don't believe the treatment he has received from some members here befits their status of being "helpful".

Photography is an art, and what all of you need to understand is, is that art is subjective... What pleases some, won't please others.

So you don't like his shots... They're not technically correct... How about you assist in a professional manner to help him improve?? And when he explains why he got took the shots the way he took them, and his limitations, etc, don't treat him like a piece of ****. Listen to him and understand the learning process that we all went through once before.

He's studying photography. What does that mean you might ask yourself?? Well, what it means is that he's learning to become a photographer. We all started somewhere, and yeah, we all took shots that we look back on and say, "wow, I've really improved from when I started out."

I have my flame suit on...

I guess a 'hey boucher' right now won't help the situation? :lol:

[ofdphoto]

You're 100% right.

But Angus isn't, and as far as I know, wasn't out there shooting to sell his shot's. Remember, he's learning his trade...

correct. which is why you would expect him to want to learn, and why you would find it difficult to respond with limitless grace when he doesn't.

Hmmm. I don't know about this.

not sure what you don't know? but it doesn't really matter ... i think this line of thought has gone more than far enough.

if i have been unreasonable or outright offensive here, i apologise. i'm the first to admit that politeness often falls victim to honesty in my interactions; this is alternately a strength and a weakness.

[brenno]

perhaps you should go back to the very first time i interacted with angus. i don't deny that i'm blunt with him - much more blunt than i am with others - but this is the product of a long period of seeing subtlety fail to communicate *anything*. of course, if you want to decontextualise everything i say, i'm clearly a heartless bastard.

That's not my intent at all (to decontextualise), but you have admitted to being more blunt with Angus than with anyone here... And TBH, it shows, and it's not really attractive.

Heartless, no.

neither do i. but let's face facts here. has ANYONE had anything positive to say about the images in question? do you not think that calls for a response of some kind? fwiw, i don't much care about the technical aspects of an image. i do care about what they communicate, and on that level, there is still nothing to commend about these images.

Fair enough, you've made your point. But like I said before, it's the delivery, the belittling, and the sarcastic follow-ups that are distasteful and unhelpful.

i think we can both agree that posting photos and only accepting "nice shot!" responses is pretty lame. it's the only alternative to accepting critique, really.

Agreed.

well, in the context of this thread, neither have i. you do have a professional photography business, however.

I'd like to think I do. :D

[ofdphoto]

But like I said before, it's the delivery, the belittling, and the sarcastic follow-ups that are distasteful and unhelpful.

fair enough. for those i do truly apologise. :(

[Jim G]

Simply awesome!

Well captured Grigori.

More like.. group pash. So, who's in? :lol:

I guess a 'hey boucher' right now won't help the situation? :lol:

Multiquote broken?



A couple from Tambourine Mountain yesterday:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3358/3521767736_c3e67d35e6_o.jpg

Thought that was rather an amusing sign out the front of a massage joint...



Interesting glass thingies:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3344/3520960031_8980494b7d_o.jpg



This is the first time I've taken the 70-200 out on a personal shooting outing over the 135L and I have to say that I'm pretty darn impressed with the bokeh:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3652/3520956165_be04515056_o.jpg

[brenno]

I guess a 'hey boucher' right now won't help the situation? :lol:

It may Col, give it a go. :lol:

correct. which is why you would expect him to want to learn, and why you would find it difficult to respond with limitless grace when he doesn't.

You don't have to be graceful Luke, just a little more polite (for want of a better word.)

i think this line of thought has gone more than far enough.

Agreed.

if i have been unreasonable or outright offensive here, i apologise. i'm the first to admit that politeness often falls victim to honesty in my interactions; this is alternately a strength and a weakness.

It's not a weakness at all Luke.

I too apologise, and offer an outstretched hand to all I may have offended.

I guess if nothing else, this proves were both passionate about what we believe in.

[Jim G]

It may Col, give it a go. :lol:



You don't have to be graceful Luke, just a little more polite (for want of a better word.)



Agreed.



It's not a weakness at all Luke.

I too apologise, and offer an outstretched hand to all I may have offended.

I guess if nothing else, this proves were both passionate about what we believe in.


I have to say guys - that's been one of the most polite/adult disagreements I've seen on a forum since.. hmm... forever.

[Collin85]

fair enough. for those i do truly apologise. :(

I think I get what you're saying though. Seems like through the period of you knowing Angus, he appears to you as someone who doesn't seem to take advice so constructively - and has a tendency to justify himself against particular criticisms which should have instead been taken aboard. This has been continuing over time, and you feel almost like your 'mentoring' has being ignored. So you go more and more harsh on him as your frustration increases.

On the other hand, Matt seems to be arguing that what you've been posting - irrespective of how much you intended it to be - hasn't so much been advice at all, but rather just belittling and antagonism. That is, although you may mean good, your approach to these issues has been the wrong one.

Honestly, both of you have valid points.

[Collin85]

It may Col, give it a go. :lol:


hey boucher. :lol:

[Collin85]

I have to say guys - that's been one of the most polite/adult disagreements I've seen on a forum since.. hmm... forever.

As it should be. We're a tight little community - I'd hate for flamefests to create unnecessary tension.

[Collin85]

Multiquote broken?


Yes, they keep telling me they'll come over the next day to fix it, but it just never gets done. :eek:

[ofdphoto]

You don't have to be graceful Luke, just a little more polite (for want of a better word.)

I think we mean the same thing ;)

I'm certainly not thinking of graceful in the ballerina sense of the word :D

Grace = goodwill.

EDIT: first definition wasn't quite what I was going for ;)

[AndrewOz]

stuff

Just to change the topic..... did I miss an announcement or have you just changed your website?????

[S7000]

Just to change the topic..... did I miss an announcement or have you just changed your website?????

I was never sent an invite. :(

[brenno]

I think we mean the same thing ;)

I'm certainly not thinking of graceful in the ballerina sense of the word :D

Grace = goodwill.

EDIT: first definition wasn't quite what I was going for ;)

Hmmm...

Collin in a mankini and you in a tutu, what a mental picture that is. ;)

[Old Fart]

Hmmm...

Collin in a mankini and you (Luke) in a tutu, what a mental picture that is. ;)

Now there's this weeks Photoshop challenge if ever I saw it !!

[brenno]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3358/3521767736_c3e67d35e6_o.jpg

Thought that was rather an amusing sign out the front of a massage joint...

Jim, why didn't you take a shot of the sign that read's "Happy endings $10." :p

[brenno]

Now there's this weeks Photoshop challenge if ever I saw it !!

:lol::lol::lol:

That's one challenge I refuse to take part in.

[alexanderGARDNER]

Folks, I've finished dinner and a cuddle with my missus and the last few pages have been the most "constructive" discussion that has ever occurred in this thread.

Good work

[Jim G]

Just to change the topic..... did I miss an announcement or have you just changed your website?????

No announcement yet, the website is still in development so I'm saving an official announcement until all the bugs are ironed out... it's still more updated and functional than the old website though so it's what's being watermarked at the moment!

The new one doesn't play nice with IE and there's a few other things that need sorting... if you're looking at it in Firefox and some other browsers it seems to go alright though.

New website, new business name, my partner and I have merged businesses.

[Jim G]

Jim, why didn't you take a shot of the sign that read's "Happy endings $10." :p

What I want to know is what on earth "Excessive Joy" is...??

[BOSS]

What I want to know is what on earth "Excessive Joy" is...??

That will cost you $180 for half an hour.

[alexanderGARDNER]

That will cost you $180 for half an hour.

That's cheap. Whereabouts again?

[Collin85]

That's cheap. Whereabouts again?

My bedroom.

[Collin85]

Collin in a mankini and you in a tutu, what a mental picture that is. ;)

I know you're excited. :eek::p

[alexanderGARDNER]

My bedroom.

Now it's expensive.

On another note....The Melb Strobist meet has been posted.
Where and when is still up for grabs.

[The Moose]

My bedroom.

:lol: Nice quick call there, Collin. I've got some tax from shooting around the house with my dinosaur, might get round to posting it sometime tonight.

[AdamC]

Interesting glass thingies:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3344/3520960031_8980494b7d_o.jpg



ooh, I like this!

[AndrewOz]

No announcement yet, the website is still in development so I'm saving an official announcement until all the bugs are ironed out... it's still more updated and functional than the old website though so it's what's being watermarked at the moment!

The new one doesn't play nice with IE and there's a few other things that need sorting... if you're looking at it in Firefox and some other browsers it seems to go alright though.

New website, new business name, my partner and I have merged businesses.

Oh good, so Im not going crazy :lol:
Good luck with the new venture. :cool:

[Jim G]

Oh good, so Im not going crazy :lol:
Good luck with the new venture. :cool:

cheers :) it's working very well so far but it's hard to tell as we've just moved to QLD and business is kind of messy accordingly and will be until we settle in, I imagine :p

ooh, I like this!


thanks :)

[DAdeGroot]

So, what do you do with 160 shots of stars after making a timelapse video ?

Well put the together as a star-trails still of course!

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3599/3521209001_5917cf0962_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dadegroot/3521209001/)

[alexanderGARDNER]

Oh Dave you skallywag!

Suffer for your art! :)

[DAdeGroot]

Oh Dave you skallywag!

Suffer for your art! :)

Well yeah, it was boring and cold sitting in the car for two hours keeping an eye on the camera :P

[alexanderGARDNER]

Well yeah, it was boring and cold sitting in the car for two hours keeping an eye on the camera :P

That's what blankets, sleeping bags, your favourite dog and a laptop is for....oh, and longer cables for your shutter release so you can feed it through a window.

[tupper]

thats awesome Dave!

[DAdeGroot]

That's what blankets, sleeping bags, your favourite dog and a laptop is for....oh, and longer cables for your shutter release so you can feed it through a window.

Well I had a coat, and a radio, and a timer-remote so I didn't have to take each shot individually ;-)

[DAdeGroot]

thats awesome Dave!

Thanks Ewan - kinda wishing I'd shot it in full raw rather than sraw2 now. But the object of the outing was timelapse, so the smaller files were all I needed for that.

[alexanderGARDNER]

Well I had a coat, and a radio, and a timer-remote so I didn't have to take each shot individually ;-)

No wonder you were bored what with all dat dar fancy equipment! ;)

[The Moose]

Nothing special like Dave's but here's a few with my 1D classic:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3607/3521277601_11fc339af4.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3663/3522088054_cb4437eac7.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3649/3521286755_0b15136108.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3645/3522097446_f3bcc0b89d.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3383/3522097570_c2a994221f.jpg

Don't mind the owner in the EXIF... I haven't bought a Firewire cable yet :p

[DAdeGroot]

No wonder you were bored what with all dat dar fancy equipment! ;)

Aye, but it's too cold outside to do it manually :P

[tangcla]

Glenn, how do you find the AF on it? :)

[DAdeGroot]

Nothing special like Dave's but here's a few with my 1D classic:


Seems to handle low-light sports quite well :)

[-spam-]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3663/3522088054_cb4437eac7.jpg


Love that one :)

[alexanderGARDNER]

The 2nd kitty and the 1st hockey shot. There's a great sense of urgency in that shot. :)
I think the 2nd hockey shot loses out because it doesn't have the ball as the point of focus.

[tangcla]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3663/3522088054_cb4437eac7.jpg

This one's really nice. Focused perfectly on the face but motion blur everywhere else :)

[tangcla]

Seems to handle low-light sports quite well :)
I wouldn't call nuked with those big 500W floodlights 'low light' :D

[The Moose]

Glenn, how do you find the AF on it? :)

It was pretty good considering the situation. The worst part was the fact that it wasn't bright enough for sports. I was shooting -1EC f/2.8 at ISO 1600 or 3200 just to get either 1/125 or 1/250. Can't wait to try it out during the day with my 70-200, should be very snappy :)

Seems to handle low-light sports quite well :)

The downsized images for flickr turned out pretty good but they're not brilliant. I'm not going to shy away from the high ISO's though. If that's what I need to do to get the shots, it's what I'll do!

This one's really nice. Focused perfectly on the face but motion blur everywhere else

I kept about 50 from the match (we got there late, made it 5 minutes before half time so that was just getting my settings right) and the face in that one is probably the clearest of any part of any shot I kept :p

[ANGUS]

Rather then answering with Multi Quote from the past few pages i will simply post a blanket reply to it all:

Everyone: In this case i was there to drop a raid cover off to another photographer who was actually shooting the event, i had borrowed it and was simply returning it, Since i haven't used my 300 + 1D in a while i decided to fire off a few frames. There was no intent to sell the images or anything like that, simply to fire off a few frames for the heck of it... looking back on it, it may have been wise to leave the camera at home???

Luke et al: While the images may not be aesthetically pleasing or technically correct (IE: exposed correctly) they where taken from the only side of the feild i could get the correct team from (And not have to deal with people right on the edge of the field on the other side)

I never blamed equiptment for not letting me expose for shaddows i simply said something along the lines of the images would have had motion blur. I was using a 600mm lens (Max apeture of f5.6) at around f6-8 to maintain better sharpness. I was on ISO200-320 and was just getting 1/800 if i exposed for shadows i would have had to raise the ISO, something i didnt want to do. Most importantly I WANTED TO TRY THE EFFECT! Is there a problem with that? Its like some images you post are blown out for aesthetic purposes which is fine, i wanted to position the most important part of the figures (their faces) in the highlight and have the rest of the image fall to black, an effect that was lost when viewed on a well calibrated monitor. They where not posted for C&C (Something i feel Phototax isnt really suited too)

Please let this be the end of the pointless rants.

[Collin85]

Nothing special like Dave's but here's a few with my 1D classic:







http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3645/3522097446_f3bcc0b89d.jpg



Don't mind the owner in the EXIF... I haven't bought a Firewire cable yet :p

Hey Glenn, that's a nice capture.

[Collin85]

So, what do you do with 160 shots of stars after making a timelapse video ?

Well put the together as a star-trails still of course!

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3599/3521209001_5917cf0962_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dadegroot/3521209001/)

Very nice Grigori.

[amsm]

Nothing special like Dave's but here's a few with my 1D classic:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3607/3521277601_11fc339af4.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3663/3522088054_cb4437eac7.jpg


Great shots, considering it was night. My 400D wouldn't have had a hope :(

[amsm]

So, what do you do with 160 shots of stars after making a timelapse video ?

Well put the together as a star-trails still of course!

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3599/3521209001_5917cf0962_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dadegroot/3521209001/)

That's pretty cool...a bit of a shame about the plane trails that kind of ruin the symmetry of the circular star movements.

[ed.]

Tax from the weekend :)
Shot with the Rokkor 58mm @ 1.2 on the 5D.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3573/3523237539_e6cac6fa73_o.jpg

[S7000]

Tax from the weekend :)
Shot with the Rokkor 58mm @ 1.2 on the 5D.


Looks good. DOF works well.

[Backflipboy]

Great shots, considering it was night. My 400D wouldn't have had a hope :(
I think a 400D would have gone pretty close myself. Based on some of the sports stuff I have shot indoors under low light, I think outdoors under stadium strength light about the only thing you'd have to do is up the ISO higher than if you were shooting the same scene on a cloudy day.

Does that make any sense at all?

[Backflipboy]

Tax from the weekend :)
Shot with the Rokkor 58mm @ 1.2 on the 5D.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3573/3523237539_e6cac6fa73_o.jpg
mmmm.... red cupcakes...

It's a good photo but what an odd subject. Something for a cake shop or is it a new wave wedding cake idea?

[Michael]

I like it Ed. Nicely composed and the bokeh is great!

Kev,I'm assuming this is a wedding cake. A lot of people like this cupcake type thing nowadays.

[amsm]

I think a 400D would have gone pretty close myself. Based on some of the sports stuff I have shot indoors under low light, I think outdoors under stadium strength light about the only thing you'd have to do is up the ISO higher than if you were shooting the same scene on a cloudy day.

Does that make any sense at all?

Yes, it does.

I've found the AF on the 400D struggles quite a bit more as light drops off, so I was guessing that a fast-paced sport like hockey would have tested it. I've never shot sports under lights, or inside, so that was purely a guess, based on the results from a few outside shoots on dark, coudy, flat days. I haven't shot much at ISO 800 or more because the pictures are so noisy.

[S7000]

The AF on the 400D certainly struggles (I only rely on center point at sport), however the shots I took at the SFS (From front row) were all decent. Some got a little noisy, but most were good at ISO800.

I also just ordered some Cactus V4's that my dad's paying for. :lol:

[eXc450]

Hi All, I haven't had time for forums or photography for months, but thought I'd say hi :) I'm still alive. haha

[Backflipboy]

I don't understand how to see "noise" in a photo using higher ISO settings. I have taken photos at 400, 800 and 1600 on my 400D and just looking at them on my monitor they look fine. How do I recognise this noise?

[ofdphoto]

Hi All, I haven't had time for forums or photography for months, but thought I'd say hi :) I'm still alive. haha
phew!

hi chris :)

[amsm]

I don't understand how to see "noise" in a photo using higher ISO settings. I have taken photos at 400, 800 and 1600 on my 400D and just looking at them on my monitor they look fine. How do I recognise this noise?

If you look at them full size, you'll see they look grainy, and there are often coloured speckles, particularly in darker areas.

Try taking a shot of the same subject at 100 and then at 800 or 1600. I think you'll see the grain/noise.

[amsm]

Another tax from me.

These guys are so bold and fearless, I could just about have shot this with the 10-20, but I didn't.

Every year, about this time, a small flock of these cockies* descends on a particular type of tree we have a couple of and proceeds to do a very nice job of tip-pruning them, as they bite off the branches just behind the nuts. they hold the branch in their claws and eat the nuts like we'd eat a corn-cob, then drop the chewed out remains on the ground and grab the next one.

Once they've eaten all the nuts off the tree, they disappear and we will barely see them again till next year.

* A quick search of teh interwebs indicates they're Gang-Gang cockatoos.

http://users.on.net/%7Eworlwinds/img/_MG_3280.jpg

[eXc450]

phew!

hi chris :)

OFDPhoto? You changed your name? Makes sense I guess. But what about your awesome post count and reputation as the ****.

[ed.]

mmmm.... red cupcakes...

It's a good photo but what an odd subject. Something for a cake shop or is it a new wave wedding cake idea?

Wedding cake ;)

I like it Ed. Nicely composed and the bokeh is great!

Kev,I'm assuming this is a wedding cake. A lot of people like this cupcake type thing nowadays.

Thanks, trying to nail focus is quite fun with this lens LOL. and yep it's the thing for wedding cakes now it seems :S

[S7000]

Another tax from me.

These guys are so bold and fearless, I could just about have shot this with the 10-20, but I didn't.

Nice one, never seen one like that before. The cocky's round my way are such wieners. Get to close and they'll squawk and fly off!

[S7000]

I don't understand how to see "noise" in a photo using higher ISO settings. I have taken photos at 400, 800 and 1600 on my 400D and just looking at them on my monitor they look fine. How do I recognise this noise?

If you look at them full size, you'll see they look grainy, and there are often coloured speckles, particularly in darker areas.

Try taking a shot of the same subject at 100 and then at 800 or 1600. I think you'll see the grain/noise.

beat me to it.

You'll also notice it when you accidentally forget to change your ISO, leave it at 800 and shoot sunset pictures. Generally get it in lowlight situations though.

[amsm]

Nice one, never seen one like that before. The cocky's round my way are such wieners. Get to close and they'll squawk and fly off!

Most of the others around here are like that too, although down in the town ( a few K's away), they have problems with Corellas and Sulphur Crested ones chewing cedar window-frames, oregon balcony railings and stuff to bits. Thankfully, we just see those screeching away in the distance here.

[S7000]

Most of the others around here are like that too, although down in the town ( a few K's away), they have problems with Corellas and Sulphur Crested ones chewing cedar window-frames, oregon balcony railings and stuff to bits. Thankfully, we just see those screeching away in the distance here.

The white ones eat all our mandarins. Bastards! :mad:

[amsm]

The white ones eat all our mandarins. Bastards! :mad:

We solved that. We built a 13m x 7m x 2.5m cage over the lot. Then built a maximum-security unit in one corner for night accommodation and now we have a chook-pen too :D

Edit...you do have to be quick though...the chooks will pounce on any apple or pear that falls to the ground, but thankfully they haven't learned to climb trees yet. But the cage certainly keeps the possums, cockies and rosellas away, so we did well for fruit this season !

http://users.on.net/%7Eworlwinds/img/_MG_1553.jpg

[ofdphoto]

OFDPhoto? You changed your name? Makes sense I guess. But what about your awesome post count and reputation as the ****.
reputation as what?

and the post count remains.

which is great, cos it matters heaps :p

[tangcla]

We have figs and guava at home. Possumes eat them. We have a net over the plant (no poles to keep the net up) and it helps slightly.

We also have a resident fruit-bat (or other winged creature - could be a dragon or something?!) who lives in the fig tree at night when the figs are in season... keeps the possums away then, too... :)

[S7000]

We solved that. We built a 13m x 7m x 2.5m cage over the lot. Then built a maximum-security unit in one corner for night accommodation and now we have a chook-pen too :D

Edit...you do have to be quick though...the chooks will pounce on any apple or pear that falls to the ground, but thankfully they haven't learned to climb trees yet. But the cage certainly keeps the possums, cockies and rosellas away, so we did well for fruit this season !



Would be hard to do a cage on the land we had. Being on a cliff wasn't always practical.

I think you'll be safe with the chooks learning things too. :p

[S7000]

We have figs and guava at home. Possumes eat them. We have a net over the plant (no poles to keep the net up) and it helps slightly.

We also have a resident fruit-bat (or other winged creature - could be a dragon or something?!) who lives in the fig tree at night when the figs are in season... keeps the possums away then, too... :)

We had a bat in a tree when I was at my mums. Was so scary the first few times we heard it. They're so loud when then fly off! Not sure if it still lives there.

My favourite bush pets would have to be our family of water dragons. We can hand feed them all and could probably pick them up if we felt the need. We've had the same group of them living there for about 3 years now. Haven't had any deaths in the filterbox for quite some time.

[amsm]

We have figs and guava at home. Possumes eat them. We have a net over the plant (no poles to keep the net up) and it helps slightly.

We also have a resident fruit-bat (or other winged creature - could be a dragon or something?!) who lives in the fig tree at night when the figs are in season... keeps the possums away then, too... :)

mmmm... guava...might have to plant one in our orchard/chook detention centre.

Does the bat eat many of the figs ? ...and to keep this vaguely on-topic, have any pics ? :p

[NicD]

Some well overdue tax from me.

This is a older photo that i just had another shot at editing.

C&C welcome.

(also i know about the huge blown out area called the sun, i have tried to fix that up but didnt do much)

[tangcla]

Does the bat eat many of the figs ? ...and to keep this vaguely on-topic, have any pics ? :p

No, and no :)

[amsm]

No, and no :)

So you expect us to just believe you have a dragon living in your fig tree, without you having taken any pics ? yeah...right.... :p:p

[ofdphoto]

woo ... lumix LX3 is in my hot little hands ...

[The Moose]

Great shots, considering it was night. My 400D wouldn't have had a hope :(

My 400D wouldn't have had any hope either, that's why I bought the 1D classic ;) Well, the noise levels are actually pretty similar. It's just the banding of the 1D, IMO.

I think a 400D would have gone pretty close myself. Based on some of the sports stuff I have shot indoors under low light, I think outdoors under stadium strength light about the only thing you'd have to do is up the ISO higher than if you were shooting the same scene on a cloudy day.

Does that make any sense at all?

The 400D would have been fine ISO wise compared to those but the AF would have struggled. It's not a 1-series ;)

Yes, it does.

I've found the AF on the 400D struggles quite a bit more as light drops off, so I was guessing that a fast-paced sport like hockey would have tested it. I've never shot sports under lights, or inside, so that was purely a guess, based on the results from a few outside shoots on dark, coudy, flat days. I haven't shot much at ISO 800 or more because the pictures are so noisy.


The AF on the 400D certainly struggles (I only rely on center point at sport), however the shots I took at the SFS (From front row) were all decent. Some got a little noisy, but most were good at ISO800.

As I just mentioned, the AF on the 400D isn't great for sports. I needed the 1D. But I don't hesitate to go to any ISO. Hell, I used 1600 and 3200 underexposed by 1 stop on the 1D for that hockey match!

I don't understand how to see "noise" in a photo using higher ISO settings. I have taken photos at 400, 800 and 1600 on my 400D and just looking at them on my monitor they look fine. How do I recognise this noise?

Don't figure out what it is and don't pixel peep! You're happy with your photos so don't ruin it by understand noise and why people think it's bad :p

[mickeyjuice]

woo ... lumix LX3 is in my hot little hands ...

Mmmm, good fun. Just got my G9 back now that Cha is back from Canberra. Of course, she'll steal it again on Sunday for the week in Adelaide.

I don't like walking around without it in my backpack.

[ofdphoto]

yeah, I sold my G9 a week ago for this, and have missed it ;)

battery ... can't ... charge ... quick ... enough ...

[tangcla]

Mmmm, good fun. Just got my G9 back now that Cha is back from Canberra. Of course, she'll steal it again on Sunday for the week in Adelaide.

I don't like walking around without it in my backpack.

Maybe you'll learn how to use it again, one of these days ;)

[DAdeGroot]

Very nice Grigori.
That's pretty cool...a bit of a shame about the plane trails that kind of ruin the symmetry of the circular star movements.

Thanks lads. The planes are a bit of an unavoidable evil these days.

Tax from the weekend :)
Shot with the Rokkor 58mm @ 1.2 on the 5D.


Nice cake - odd how the current fashion in wedding cakes seems to be towards cup-cake stacks. Maybe the ultra-thick icing of the old fruitcakes is too much for the Y Gen :P

[ofdphoto]

Nice cake - odd how the current fashion in wedding cakes seems to be towards cup-cake stacks. Maybe the ultra-thick icing of the old fruitcakes is too much for the Y Gen :P

Choosing the right cake is a big deal, apparently. I've seen plenty of variants. One of them was made of donuts :D A few cupcake ones too. The trouble with cupcakes is you need a boring cake handy for the cake-cutting ;)

Traditional ones aren't too uncommon tho.

[DAdeGroot]

Choosing the right cake is a big deal, apparently. I've seen plenty of variants. One of them was made of donuts :D A few cupcake ones too. The trouble with cupcakes is you need a boring cake handy for the cake-cutting ;)

Traditional ones aren't too uncommon tho.

We had a marbled choc/caramel mud cake for ours (with the traditional thick icing - that stuff is the best preservative known to man, I swear).

[BOSS]

We had a marbled choc/caramel mud cake for ours (with the traditional thick icing - that stuff is the best preservative known to man, I swear).

That would be ..marzipan..yes.

[Old Fart]

The things guys put up with and spend huge amounts of money on during a wedding just to keep the peace. If only they realised it was never going to stop.

[Jim G]

Just dropping in briefly tonight.... nothing photo-related but I have an announcement that's related to the other love of my life.

As of today my partner of 18 months and I are now engaged :)

[AndrewOz]

Just dropping in briefly tonight.... nothing photo-related but I have an announcement that's related to the other love of my life.

As of today my partner of 18 months and I are now engaged :)

congrats :cool:

[Greg_C]

Congrats Jim, now you can do your own e-shoot....

[The Moose]

Congratulations Jim. Had you planned to do it after the move?

[alexanderGARDNER]

E-shoot at an arm's length. ;) Congrats Jim.

[BOSS]

Congratulations Jim.

[DAdeGroot]

That would be ..marzipan..yes.

I wish! No, it's not marzipan (which is a paste made from almonds and is absolutely divine), but rather a form of icing made from sugar. It tends to go quite solid after a while.

Just dropping in briefly tonight.... nothing photo-related but I have an announcement that's related to the other love of my life.
As of today my partner of 18 months and I are now engaged :)

Congrats Jim :)

Sounds like an excuse for a PotN e-shoot meetup! ;-)

[mickeyjuice]

Congratulations Jim. Had you planned to do it after the move?
Such a leading question :-)
E-shoot at an arm's length. ;) Congrats Jim.

Tripod, man. Tripod!

[The Moose]

Such a leading question :-)

Just seems like a convenient time :p

Btw Mic, I saw a 16-35 posted, if you haven't already asked them: http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=690064 They're US but someone HAS to let you have it soon!

[Jim G]

thanks all :)



Congrats Jim

Sounds like an excuse for a PotN e-shoot meetup! ;-)

congrats :cool:

Congratulations Jim.


Congratulations Jim. Had you planned to do it after the move?

Not really that much of a planned thing.... just ended up being the right time after the move.

E-shoot at an arm's length. ;) Congrats Jim.

Congrats Jim, now you can do your own e-shoot....

Hah! Since we've been together I could count the number of photos I have of her on one hand.... compared to probably 100-odd before we got together. There's been a sharp decrease :p And no, I wasn't stalking her beforehand :p

[Michael]

Congrats Jim!! :D

[Backflipboy]

Some well overdue tax from me.

This is a older photo that i just had another shot at editing.

C&C welcome.

(also i know about the huge blown out area called the sun, i have tried to fix that up but didnt do much)
I hate the sun - it is only good for backlighting subjects.