POTN Aussie Club #6 - What does the 'P' stand for anyway??

[AdamC]

$800 or there abouts. Optically it's not quite as good as the 16-35Ls but it's still f/2.8, FTM and built fairly solid...

So would it be a reasonable alternative to someone considering a new 17-40? Downsides?

[smorter]

Anyone wanna buy a LP-E6 Battery (5D Mark II)? I can sell it for $75. It's brand new in box, I haven't opened it. I got it last week for someone and they don't need it anymore. You can have the receipt too for warranty

[ANGUS]

You were talking about it with someone else a few weeks ago and when we were first talking about it you said something about July so I assumed you'd sold it by now :lol: If I still go ahead with this and Dan gets an offer in the meantime yours is still there then too?

Yeh mine is still there... Im back in Oz on wednesday so any time after then is fine for a transaction... PM me when you are ready, Looking for similar price to Dan's, Maybe a tad less as it has minor wear.

[The Moose]

Yeh mine is still there... Im back in Oz on wednesday so any time after then is fine for a transaction... PM me when you are ready, Looking for similar price to Dan's, Maybe a tad less as it has minor wear.

That's cool. Message to Dan: If you get an offer from Andrew or something, it's fine because Angus has his :lol: Do you have the charger plus a battery or two, Angus? I remember you've got two 1D2's so just making sure you've got a charger especially.

[DAdeGroot]

$700? Assuming I still have that 28-80 and didn't sell it after all... better check my cupboard.


Hmmm, gimme a couple of days and I'll see what I can do. My father is after a camera, and I could sell him my 400D and buy your 30D as a replacement (as a second body). I'm presuming it's in good nick, hasn't been inundated by sea-water, that sort of thing...

[photobitz]

So would it be a reasonable alternative to someone considering a new 17-40? Downsides?

If you are after f/2.8 then yes. Downsides compared to the 17-40... not quite as sharp, slightly more barrel distortion... ummmm... no longer supported by Canon... other than that pretty much the same. The 17-40 is a very similar design but perhaps just a bit more refined.

[fungry]

Glenn, after some deliberation, I think I will keep my 70 200 for a bit longer.

[photobitz]

Hmmm, gimme a couple of days and I'll see what I can do. My father is after a camera, and I could sell him my 400D and buy your 30D as a replacement (as a second body). I'm presuming it's in good nick, hasn't been inundated by sea-water, that sort of thing...

Wait... you aren't supposed to use them under water??? :lol:

Yeah, it's been looked after. I've given it a wipe down and I can't see any obvious scratches or anything. There's a very light scuff on the top LCD plastic and a couple of tiny scratches on the bottom... barely worth mentioning. Hasn't been dropped or anything and has had screen protector on the back since I got it. Probably could do with a sensor clean at some stage.

[ANGUS]

That's cool. Message to Dan: If you get an offer from Andrew or something, it's fine because Angus has his :lol: Do you have the charger plus a battery or two, Angus? I remember you've got two 1D2's so just making sure you've got a charger especially.

Got a charger for both my 1D Bodies. And have plenty of batteries so could easily find you a spare im sure.

[AdamC]

If you are after f/2.8 then yes. Downsides compared to the 17-40... not quite as sharp, slightly more barrel distortion... ummmm... no longer supported by Canon... other than that pretty much the same. The 17-40 is a very similar design but perhaps just a bit more refined.

hrm, and $400 price difference. Tempting.

[The Moose]

Glenn, after some deliberation, I think I will keep my 70 200 for a bit longer.

That's alright. I'll have a look around for another one.

Got a charger for both my 1D Bodies. And have plenty of batteries so could easily find you a spare im sure.

Well, as you just saw, Ed will keep his 70-200 so I'll look around for another used f/4 or if anyone else has one that wants to trade? I'm still keen, if I don't find one soon then I'll sell my 70-200 and bodies and get the 1D2 and then get the f/4 later.

[DAdeGroot]

Yeah, it's been looked after. I've given it a wipe down and I can't see any obvious scratches or anything. There's a very light scuff on the top LCD plastic and a couple of tiny scratches on the bottom... barely worth mentioning. Hasn't been dropped or anything and has had screen protector on the back since I got it. Probably could do with a sensor clean at some stage.

Cool - well I'll let you know by late Monday with any luck. :)

[photobitz]

hrm, and $400 price difference. Tempting.

Oh... reg'd postage included too so take that into consideration. :)

Cool - well I'll let you know by late Monday with any luck. :)

Same goes for you Dave. I'll check I've still got that lens too.

[Mark]

Mark, do you have the f/2.8 or do you have the f/4?
2.8 IS....
Yes. Deadly

You're like a smiley addict or something aren't you?
How did you mix that up!? :lol:
And yes I am a smilieaholic :lol: (but am limited to eight a post)
Mark, No can do. It's from SKY Channel, but it's in the pub, not at home. They can only offer us the idea of an amplifier. They're bastards.
Oh, that is usesless, do you know the frequency or anything?
I want one. I had a Rayflash but sold it.
Oh :lol: Has the package showed up yet?
I think there is something up with AusPost and me, I ordered a switch from melb last week that hasn't arrived yet but should have:confused:
You were talking about it with someone else a few weeks ago and when we were first talking about it you said something about July so I assumed you'd sold it by now :lol: If I still go ahead with this and Dan gets an offer in the meantime yours is still there then too?

Edit: I've just realised how messed up this all is :lol: So many things to buy and sell, is it worth it???
Mate, I don't think it's gonna work... :)
So would it be a reasonable alternative to someone considering a new 17-40? Downsides?
Not sealed, maybe not as sharp.... other than that it is a fine lens...
I think Dan added CF tape to make it even better? or was that Angus' lens?

[The Moose]

Mate, I don't think it's gonna work... :)

:lol: Me either. I want it to though...

Edit: Really it's not as hard as it sounds, if I go in the order that I mentioned to Angus. Sell the lens and two bodies, buy the 1D2 and then wait and get the f/4 last. I probably could do it that way really... and I might.

[Mark]

Yeah that would work... The problem is selling the lens and two bodies.... :)

[photobitz]

How did you mix that up!? :lol:


Angus's fault :lol:

Nah j/k... The lens is supposed to use the EW-83C but Canon no longer makes it. If I remember rightly Angus was told by some Canon guy that it was the same mount as the 10-22 which is the EW-83E.

It does actually go on but you have to fight it a bit. I decided it would be better to cut some plactic to make it fit better but didn't want to do it to the genuine ones which we paid $40 each for... got a cheapie instead and chopped it to make it fit. So hoods are still spare... in box... never used.


Not sealed, maybe not as sharp.... other than that it is a fine lens...
I think Dan added CF tape to make it even better? or was that Angus' lens?

Yeah I think I did on this one too... will make it stronger not "better"

[fungry]

I think he would be able to pull it off. Would be much easier if I was to trade my f/4 with him though but I'm having second thoughts about doing that hehe.
How much faster is 2.8 compared to 4 though? My ignorance shows doesn't it :), Dammit, should've tried your 70 200 2.8 in low light Mark while you were down here!

[JustinLawrence]

Reading the last few pages was a bit of a waste of time for me, since im not buying or selling anything :mad: hehe.

i know i've been away for a while :( but does anyone have a 85-100mm macro lens in Sydney I can borrow for Sunday's aromafest? I can leave lens collateral with the owner, but in the middle of moving house and don't have the spare funds to buy one :(
I'm happy to lend you mine if you can pick up from Padstow

[The Moose]

I think he would be able to pull it off. Would be much easier if I was to trade my f/4 with him though but I'm having second thoughts about doing that hehe.
How much faster is 2.8 compared to 4 though? My ignorance shows doesn't it :), Dammit, should've tried your 70 200 2.8 in low light Mark while you were down here!

f/2.8 is exactly one stop better than f/4. So while I'm shooting 1/500, you're shooting 1/250 at the same ISO and aperture. If I'm shooting 1/30, you're shooting 1/15. If I'm shooting 1/8000, you're shooting 1/4000.

[Mark]

Angus's fault :lol:

Nah j/k... The lens is supposed to use the EW-83C but Canon no longer makes it. If I remember rightly Angus was told by some Canon guy that it was the same mount as the 10-22 which is the EW-83E.

It does actually go on but you have to fight it a bit. I decided it would be better to cut some plactic to make it fit better but didn't want to do it to the genuine ones which we paid $40 each for... got a cheapie instead and chopped it to make it fit. So hoods are still spare... in box... never used.



Yeah I think I did on this one too... will make it stronger not "better"
Wait, so they are 24-70 hoods???
I am sooo confused :lol:

Stronger is better in a strength perspective, and makes your lens sound better ;)
Reading the last few pages was a bit of a waste of time for me, since im not buying or selling anything :mad: hehe.
I thought you were doing the B+H buy? :lol:

[Highlight_Photography]

In car on way home from Melbourne. Been taking photos at a fire in Melbourne.

[Mark]

I think he would be able to pull it off. Would be much easier if I was to trade my f/4 with him though but I'm having second thoughts about doing that hehe.
How much faster is 2.8 compared to 4 though? My ignorance shows doesn't it :), Dammit, should've tried your 70 200 2.8 in low light Mark while you were down here!
You should have :p:lol:
It is one stop faster, which is quite a lot in low light... The shot I took of you with my 17-40 while I was waiting for a taxi was at f4 ISO 3200 1/15, just barely handholdable for me, if I used a 16-35 at f2.8 it would have been 1/30 which would make it *far* more handholdable... so yeah it does make quite a difference... Especially when you find yourself shooting basketball at f2.8 1/320 ISO 6400 :lol: I have time so will post a DOF comparison..

[JustinLawrence]

^ Yes, B&H was sooo last night though.

[Froggeh]

there's a B&H buy on? :D

and where that f2.8 (or faster) really counts is when you're trying to use a 17-40L indoors without flash, at night. that's why WA primes are 'the bomb/so bloody expensive'

thanks angus - appreciate it even if it doesn't get past the problem. sold my 50/1.4 which would've been perfect for it - turns every coffee shot into espressoporn.

[fungry]

f/2.8 is exactly one stop better than f/4. So while I'm shooting 1/500, you're shooting 1/250 at the same ISO and aperture. If I'm shooting 1/30, you're shooting 1/15. If I'm shooting 1/8000, you're shooting 1/4000.
I'm aware of that much but sometimes numbers at times are deceiving.

[photobitz]

f/2.8 is exactly one stop better than f/4. So while I'm shooting 1/500, you're shooting 1/250 at the same ISO and aperture. If I'm shooting 1/30, you're shooting 1/15. If I'm shooting 1/8000, you're shooting 1/4000.

There are other advantages of having f/2.8 min (or is it max?) aperture apart from just that 1 stop though.

Wait, so they are 24-70 hoods???
I am sooo confused :lol:

Stronger is better in a strength perspective, and makes your lens sound better ;)


Oh I don't know... they use the same hood on a few lenses. Now I'll have to look it up to avoid all the scrutiny... sigh

[JustinLawrence]

there's a B&H buy on? :D

Sorry, it was kind of spur of the moment, only a couple of lucky people were able to jump on in the 20minute window i provided on the forum.

I cant wait for ND1000 though, i had a dream about it last night, i think i was taking a 1/2 hour exposure :oops:

[photobitz]

OK, supposed to fit...

16-35L 17-40L 10-22 17-35L and 20-35(L one I assume)

[photobitz]

Sorry, it was kind of spur of the moment, only a couple of lucky people were able to jump on in the 20minute window i provided on the forum.

I cant wait for ND1000 though, i had a dream about it last night, i think i was taking a 1/2 hour exposure :oops:

20 minutes? I think you accidentally added a zero.

1/2 hour exposure = Hot pixels galore!

[fungry]

One of the first pics taken using some OCF gear :) Nothing spectacular, still trying to learn..
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3515/3729630372_b6f93ae2d0_o.jpg

Thanks for the info regarding the 2.8. Probably could've made it more clear and asked how your experiences with that sort of f-stop has been. As you can tell, I lack it with my f/4 gear :)

[The Moose]

There are other advantages of having f/2.8 min (or is it max?) aperture apart from just that 1 stop though.

Yeah, definitely, but I think it's less so in a 70-200. You would generally buy the f/2.8 over the f/4 for the extra stop and the f/4 over the f/2.8 for weight. I bought the f/2.8 over the f/4 for the extra stop but I don't think it's been as needed as I thought.

I'm aware of that much but sometimes numbers at times are deceiving.

I know what you mean. I'm going to attempt to learn manual flash before my other flashes (that are manual only) come in the mail :lol:

[Mark]

OK, supposed to fit...

16-35L 17-40L 10-22 17-35L and 20-35(L one I assume)
Ohhhhhhhh, makes sense now!!
I though you meant the 24-70 hood, you know the bloody massive one that looks like the 70-200 and you somehow bought that for a 17-35 :lol:
Sorry, it was kind of spur of the moment, only a couple of lucky people were able to jump on in the 20minute window i provided on the forum.

I cant wait for ND1000 though, i had a dream about it last night, i think i was taking a 1/2 hour exposure :oops:
Hahaha, I wish I could have :(
One of the first pics taken using some OCF gear :) Nothing spectacular, still trying to learn..


Thanks for the info regarding the 2.8. Probably could've made it more clear and asked how your experiences with that sort of f-stop has been. As you can tell, I lack it with my f/4 gear :)
Cool, now do a photo of yourself and see the difference between soft and hard light :)

and re the 2.8, test comparisons don't do it justice... Hit up justin and see it for yourself...
It and the IS have saved my a$$ quite a few times...

[photobitz]

Ohhhhhhhh, makes sense now!!
I though you meant the 24-70 hood, you know the bloody massive one that looks like the 70-200 and you somehow bought that for a 17-35 :lol:


Oh.. nah, not that stupid :lol:

The cheapie I bought was actually a match for the EW-83J (17-55). It is a lot longer than the E version but that's fine if you are using it on a crop camera.

[The Moose]

What can I shoot tomorrow? I'm very uninspired because I just want my off camera gear to come! :lol: I'll have a go at manual flash on camera but I'll need to take a good few hours when I get my triggers to get used to something different, seeing as I won't be bouncing as much (if at all).

Anyone shooting anything in particular?

[JustinLawrence]

What can I shoot tomorrow? I'm very uninspired because I just want my off camera gear to come! :lol: I'll have a go at manual flash on camera but I'll need to take a good few hours when I get my triggers to get used to something different, seeing as I won't be bouncing as much (if at all).

Anyone shooting anything in particular?

Im taking my baby to the park, lots of waterbirds there and some large ponds. hoping for nice weather.

[amsm]

Anyone shooting anything in particular?

I might ping a few bunnies...does that count ? :p:p:p

[photobitz]

Im taking my baby to the park, lots of waterbirds there and some large ponds. hoping for nice weather.

I'm taking a drive to Nowra to pick up a baby capsule. I'm also hoping for some good weather because I want to stop by and photograph some local flora.

[photobitz]

I might ping a few bunnies...does that count ? :p:p:p

Will you be doing portraits? :lol:

[The Moose]

Im taking my baby to the park, lots of waterbirds there and some large ponds. hoping for nice weather.

Cool! We've got 15, windy plus a shower or two apparently. One of the first subjects for me when I'm testing my flashes will be my nephew for sure. I'll start indoors and then one day when it's definitely not bad weather I'll go outside :)

I might ping a few bunnies...does that count ? :p:p:p

:lol: It can tonight but only because it's a Saturday! (I'm not sure how that works or makes sense, but it does...)

[amsm]

Will you be doing portraits? :lol:

If you like, but it may offend those folks who think meat comes from the supermarket, wrapped in plastic :p:p

[amsm]

:lol: It can tonight but only because it's a Saturday! (I'm not sure how that works or makes sense, but it does...)

Ah...er...hmm...yeah...OK then :p:p:p

[photobitz]

If you like, but it may offend those folks who think meat comes from the supermarket, wrapped in plastic :p:p

Perhaps a bit cryptic... I meant "portrait" as in "head-shot"... just trying to keep with the photographic theme.
Yeah, I think pics of blasted bunnies might alarm a few ppls ;)

[fungry]

Perhaps a bit cryptic... I meant "portrait" as in "head-shot"... just trying to keep with the photographic theme.
Yeah, I think pics of blasted bunnies might alarm a few ppls ;)
I always think my neighbours would be alarmed once they see a series of bright white light leaking through my curtains during the night. :|

[The Moose]

I always think my neighbours would be alarmed once they see a series of bright white light leaking through my curtains during the night. :|

I was thinking of getting out my camera and trying out manual flash now but I don't think my neighbours would like it either :lol:

[JustinLawrence]

I think its more the continuous bright light that get a lot of attention :lol:

[amsm]

Perhaps a bit cryptic... I meant "portrait" as in "head-shot"... just trying to keep with the photographic theme.
Yeah, I think pics of blasted bunnies might alarm a few ppls ;)

Ah..yes..now I understand..I'm somewhat thick tonight. But it's late and an exceptionally nice homemade Cabernet which has survived the trip from 1996 suprisingly well may have something to do with that, so I plead extenuating circumstances, your honour :p

[JustinLawrence]

Ah..yes..now I understand..I'm somewhat thick tonight. But it's late and an exceptionally nice homemade Cabernet which has survived the trip from 1996 suprisingly well may have something to do with that, so I plead extenuating circumstances, your honour :p

Lisa moves for a motion that "boys will be boys", you're off the hook ;)

[amsm]

Lisa moves for a motion that "boys will be boys", you're off the hook ;)

Motion seconded... g'night

[Mark]

What can I shoot tomorrow? I'm very uninspired because I just want my off camera gear to come! I'll have a go at manual flash on camera but I'll need to take a good few hours when I get my triggers to get used to something different, seeing as I won't be bouncing as much (if at all).

Anyone shooting anything in particular?
I'm going on that worldwide photowalk... Nothing else :)

[S7000]

I just did a made photo walk...But it was after work after the pub with no photoness. :lol: Ouch.

[Mark]

?????????????????????

:lol:

[S7000]

Yeeeeeeeeeeh, that's right... http://www.members.optushome.com.au/prischlfam/confused0043.gif

[JustinLawrence]

I just did a made photo walk...But it was after work after the pub with no photoness. :lol: Ouch.

That gives me an idea..... a photo crawl!

[Highlight_Photography]

Here is one from last night.

[tangcla]

Oh :lol: Has the package showed up yet?
I think there is something up with AusPost and me, I ordered a switch from melb last week that hasn't arrived yet but should have:confused:
No mankini yet.

[S7000]

That gives me an idea..... a photo crawl!

Strap a point and shoot around boys neck. :p

[NicD]

quiet afternoon here.

Unfortunately I'm stuck on the couch sick today so nothing interesting from me here although i plan to clean all my camera stuff before the shoot on Monday.

I also had a dream that all my camera gear is water proof and i was using it all in water without any problem. :lol:

[JustinLawrence]

Strap a point and shoot around boys neck. :p
Ill bring 350D, i dont mind if that gets trashed :)

quiet afternoon here.

Unfortunately I'm stuck on the couch sick today so nothing interesting from me here although i plan to clean all my camera stuff before the shoot on Sunday.

I also had a dream that all my camera gear is water proof and i was using it all in water without any problem. :lol:
Poor nic!
Im glad im not the only one who has crazy dreams about photography, hahaha :lol:

[Mark]

Here is one from last night.
Nice shot Cameron, are you going to be the new angus? :p
No mankini yet.
Hmmmmmm....
I hope bloody AusPost hasn't lost it...:confused:
quiet afternoon here.

Unfortunately I'm stuck on the couch sick today so nothing interesting from me here although i plan to clean all my camera stuff before the shoot on Sunday.

I also had a dream that all my camera gear is water proof and i was using it all in water without any problem. :lol:
You are, that sucks...

Do you mean underwater? :lol:
I can *never* remember my dreams...

[NicD]

Im glad im not the only one who has crazy dreams about photography, hahaha :lol:

Do we want to know about these dreams Justin? :rolleyes::lol:

[The Moose]

quiet afternoon here.

Unfortunately I'm stuck on the couch sick today so nothing interesting from me here although i plan to clean all my camera stuff before the shoot on Monday.

I also had a dream that all my camera gear is water proof and i was using it all in water without any problem. :lol:

That sucks. I'm not sick but I don't know what to do so I'm just sitting around too! I should read a book for school but I don't want to. I had a go at manual flash and shooting with one on camera is simple enough so it's not the same :lol:

:lol: Interesting. Like Mark, I don't remember my dreams either. And I can't say I've had any photography-related dreams :p

[NicD]

Glenn

http://www.ausphotography.net.au/forum/showthread.php?t=34999

70-200 f4 up for sale here

[The Moose]

Glenn

http://www.ausphotography.net.au/forum/showthread.php?t=34999

70-200 f4 up for sale here

Still can't see the Buy and Sell forums there. I still can't decide if I really want to do it :lol: It's a lot of hassle. If it was for a 5D classic then I'd be doing it but it's not like I'm struggling with my 400D/1D classic combo and I'd have to put in a lot more because a 400D + 70-200/2.8 wouldn't get me enough to get a 5D + 70-200/4.

[Mark]

1D2 is good camera...

[NicD]

Still can't see the Buy and Sell forums there. I still can't decide if I really want to do it :lol: It's a lot of hassle. If it was for a 5D classic then I'd be doing it but it's not like I'm struggling with my 400D/1D classic combo and I'd have to put in a lot more because a 400D + 70-200/2.8 wouldn't get me enough to get a 5D + 70-200/4.

I thought you were after a 1DmkII not a 5DmkI?

[Mark]

I thought you were after a 1DmkII not a 5DmkI?
He's saying he doesn't know if it is worth it for a 1D2, but if it was 400D+70-200 for 5D+70-200 he would :)

[The Moose]

I am :lol: Sorry. I've got a 400D + 1D classic at the moment. To go to a 1D2, I'd sell both of those and downgrade my 70-200 to the f/4. But I'm not struggling with what I've got now so it's not like I NEED to do it now. But if I had enough money spare to get a 5D classic after selling my 400D + downgrading 70-200 then I'd do it. So then I'd have a 5D/1D combo :lol:

I don't know whether or not to push ahead with it :(

Edit: Mark was spot on :lol:

[NicD]

He's saying he doesn't know if it is worth it for a 1D2, but if it was 400D+70-200 for 5D+70-200 he would :)

ohh i see.

Glenn your just lucky you have the money to think about these things.

im still stuck with my 400D and tamron lenses, i cant even think about upgrading to a 50D or other until i get enough money in around 3 months.

So instead of sitting on here worrying about what im going to do to upgrade, i sit on here and try to learn about different things so that i can still go out take some nice photos even with my 400D.

[The Moose]

ohh i see.

Glenn your just lucky you have the money to think about these things.

im still stuck with my 400D and tamron lenses, i cant even think about upgrading to a 50D or other until i get enough money in around 3 months.

So instead of sitting on here worrying about what im going to do to upgrade, i sit on here and try to learn about different things so that i can still go out take some nice photos even with my 400D.

:lol: Nic I've got no money... Ever since I've had my job late last year, I saved up enough to buy my 70-200 in January. The most I've had since then at any one time is about $500 and I've bought my 1D, 24/2.8, 430EX II and now some flashes and triggers. Downgrading my 70-200 and selling both my bodies to get the 1D2 would most likely mean I end up with around $100, if that.

All I do is learn about more things, as soon as I get my lighting gear I'm going to do the 14 day project so I can get the hang of it.

I've been really bad with my money since I saved up enough to get my 70-200. I definitely didn't research enough either, I didn't know enough back then.

[NicD]

:lol: Nic I've got no money... Ever since I've had my job late last year, I saved up enough to buy my 70-200 in January. The most I've had since then at any one time is about $500 and I've bought my 1D, 24/2.8, 430EX II and now some flashes and triggers. Downgrading my 70-200 and selling both my bodies to get the 1D2 would most likely mean I end up with around $100, if that.

All I do is learn about more things, as soon as I get my lighting gear I'm going to do the 14 day project so I can get the hang of it.

I've been really bad with my money since I saved up enough to get my 70-200. I definitely didn't research enough either, I didn't know enough back then.

Well that makes abit more sense, i must admit you lost me with alot of your plans on the past few pages.

I know what you mean about bad about money.

I bought the 400D first, fine, good starter camera, then a bought a tamron 70-200 even though at that stage i didnt even know what f2.8 ment, very bad purchase.

Since then i have bought a 430EXII, 17-50, 580EXII, if i had done my research better, i would have saved the money bought a better camera and a 580exII instead of a 430EXII.

So many things i wish i thought through more or knew more about what i was doing, now i sit here wishing i had some better gear.

With no job it makes it hard for me to buy new gear when i would like, so unfortunately i don't get to buy a lot and when i do i tend to buy what i can afford instead of saving up for what i really want.

[The Moose]

Well that makes abit more sense, i must admit you lost me with alot of your plans on the past few pages.

I know what you mean about bad about money.

I bought the 400D first, fine, good starter camera, then a bought a tamron 70-200 even though at that stage i didnt even know what f2.8 ment, very bad purchase.

Since then i have bought a 430EXII, 17-50, 580EXII, if i had done my research better, i would have saved the money bought a better camera and a 580exII instead of a 430EXII.

So many things i wish i thought through more or knew more about what i was doing, now i sit here wishing i had some better gear.

With no job it makes it hard for me to buy new gear when i would like, so unfortunately i don't get to buy a lot and when i do i tend to buy what i can afford instead of saving up for what i really want.

I didn't pay for my 400D, the first thing I paid for myself was the 70-200. It wasn't such a bad purchase, I just didn't think properly. I could have saved some money by getting the f/4, it could have gone towards another lens or I could have just had it. I worked a lot over the summer holidays so I thought I'd keep that up and have more money quickly but every week my work gives me one 4 hour shift and it's nothing. My girlfriend works 2-3 shifts and I tell you what, if I'd chosen a better place to work where I'd have more shifts during school time, I'd have a lot more money and my gear would be much different.

I wish I could say I didn't use some of my gear so that I could sell it and get some money but the only thing I can think of to do that is downgrade my 70-200 but even then, I don't want to. I was mulling over a 40D for ages, I had planned to get it a few months ago but then this 1D classic popped up and I bought it. Like you might have read, I sometimes wish I didn't buy it, or that I should sell both and go to the 40D now. Photography has messed me up so bad :lol:

[Mark]

I want to get a job..
How do you actually get one? Go to the store and ask them, ring them, look on the internet, ring the companies number???

[NicD]

I didn't pay for my 400D, the first thing I paid for myself was the 70-200. It wasn't such a bad purchase, I just didn't think properly. I could have saved some money by getting the f/4, it could have gone towards another lens or I could have just had it. I worked a lot over the summer holidays so I thought I'd keep that up and have more money quickly but every week my work gives me one 4 hour shift and it's nothing. My girlfriend works 2-3 shifts and I tell you what, if I'd chosen a better place to work where I'd have more shifts during school time, I'd have a lot more money and my gear would be much different.

I wish I could say I didn't use some of my gear so that I could sell it and get some money but the only thing I can think of to do that is downgrade my 70-200 but even then, I don't want to. I was mulling over a 40D for ages, I had planned to get it a few months ago but then this 1D classic popped up and I bought it. Like you might have read, I sometimes wish I didn't buy it, or that I should sell both and go to the 40D now. Photography has messed me up so bad :lol:

Yeah i think we all know how that feels.

I have payed for all of my gear so i often have no money to spend because its always going into photography, which is not always a good thing. i wish i was wiser with my purchases. Or just had a very high paying job :D

[The Moose]

I want to get a job..
How do you actually get one? Go to the store and ask them, ring them, look on the internet, ring the companies number???

Make up a resume. Name and basic info, address, contact details. Current level of education and where as well as your subjects. I wrote a little paragraph about myself too. Fold it up and put it in an envelope addressed to the manager. Walk into the shop and say 'hello, is it possible that you could give this to your manager?'. Some will say sure, some will say write down your availability times if they're not on the sheet, some will say sorry not at the moment (like me at my shop :lol:). Some bigger companies like Woolies, Coles and Big W will do it by the website and you tick which stores are closest to you.

Also some might not actually need the resume, they might have their own application form which just makes it easier for them as everything is the same and they can follow it much better if a resume hasn't been written properly.

Yeah i think we all know how that feels.

I have payed for all of my gear so i often have no money to spend because its always going into photography, which is not always a good thing. i wish i was wiser with my purchases. Or just had a very high paying job :D

:lol: I'm trying to get more jobs through photography but it's hard.

[ANGUS]

Nice shot Cameron, are you going to be the new angus? We have been at it for almost the same amount of time.

[Froggeh]

not quite sure who's better at it, either.

anyone want to organise a coffee crawl/photocrawl next month? it's starting to warm up :)

[Froggeh]

and is anyone else going to aromafest at the rocks in sydney tomorrow?

[ANGUS]

not quite sure who's better at it, either. anyone want to organise a coffee crawl/photocrawl next month? it's starting to warm up Its stiff competition over at www.ozfire.org :lol: I wouldnt mind a coffee crawl :D

[fungry]

I wouldn't mind meeting tomorrow? I actually might head to the Rocks tomorrow now that you mentioned it and I have nothing better to do anyways :)

What time around the day is it?

As for a meet next month, sounds good! Talking about the weather, been loving it today!

[deletedpenguin]

and is anyone else going to aromafest at the rocks in sydney tomorrow?

Hey all. I'll be down at the Aromafest tomorrow myself.

[Backflipboy]

I'm having another go at star trails tonight

[tangcla]

1D Mark II N back up for sale - the buyer supposedly made payment to wrong bank account and is waiting for bank to refund money - load of crap because it shouldn't have gone through anyway.

If anyone's interested, let me know, or else I'm relisting it on eBay.

[AdamC]

Woo, back home after a week out west visiting my son. Now I have over 700 photos to process. :rolleyes:

[ofdphoto]

Baby came.

Details on blog.

Very very happy camper right here. :)

[JustinLawrence]

Baby came.

Details on blog.

Very very happy camper right here. :)

Congrats Luke! Well done to all involved :)
You even got some shots with zeroth's eyes open, good stuff.

[fungry]

1D Mark II N back up for sale - the buyer supposedly made payment to wrong bank account and is waiting for bank to refund money - load of crap because it shouldn't have gone through anyway.

If anyone's interested, let me know, or else I'm relisting it on eBay.
What would stop it from going through if such an account exists? What a pain in the arse though....
Woo, back home after a week out west visiting my son. Now I have over 700 photos to process. :rolleyes:
Good luck! Shouldn't be too bad :)
Baby came.

Details on blog.

Very very happy camper right here. :)
Congratulations!

[wardie]

Congrats Luke & Michelle

Welcome to POTN Josiah!

[DAdeGroot]

Did the Scott Kelby Worldwide Photowalk this morning (damn early start too - had to be in town by 5:45am, which meant getting up at 4am).

Anyway, here's one from this morning's effort.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2521/3731135137_c8a97044cc_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dadegroot/3731135137/)

[DAdeGroot]

Baby came.

Details on blog.

Very very happy camper right here. :)

Whoot :) Congrats!

(I'm presuming it's the soft and squishy type of baby, rather than the hard cylindrical type containing glass). ;-)

[BOSS]

Luke congrats,hope mum and bub are doing well.
Now for the sleepless nights,you'll love it.

[deletedpenguin]

Baby came.

Details on blog.

Very very happy camper right here. :)

Congrats Luke!

[tangcla]

What would stop it from going through if such an account exists? What a pain in the arse though....


There's a check on name, BSB and account number - if they don't match, then the transfer will be rejected and the funds automatically returned to the originating bank account.

[mickeyjuice]

There's a check on name, BSB and account number - if they don't match, then the transfer will be rejected and the funds automatically returned to the originating bank account.

Which is a good thing. I just paid over $3K to the painters who did the new place - I really wouldn't want that going to the wrong place because they wrote a wrong digit or I typed it incorrectly.

[fungry]

Ahh okay, so it isn't a *retarded* system so to speak. That was the impression I had :)

[NicD]

Baby came.

Details on blog.

Very very happy camper right here. :)

Congratulations Luke!

[fungry]

Little Manly Point - TAX
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3096/3732108950_1517d0972d_o.jpg

[DAdeGroot]

Little Manly Point


Somebody wasn't thinking when they named that place... obviously :rolleyes:

[deletedpenguin]

I'm off for the night. If anyone does end up going to the Aroma Festival tomorrow in the Rocks, I'll be there, albeit with a group of girls. :p

I'm a blonde guy who'll be carrying a brown/orange 6MDH. Feel free to come up and say hello if you spot me. You'd save me from all the girl/wedding chat that'd likely be in progress.

[The Moose]

Congrats Luke :) Lots of babies around here now!

Edit: Stefan you really could have shortened that: "I'll be the blonde guy trying to get away with my 6MDH but I won't be allowed" :lol:

[JustinLawrence]

Did the Scott Kelby Worldwide Photowalk this morning (damn early start too - had to be in town by 5:45am, which meant getting up at 4am).

Anyway, here's one from this morning's effort.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2521/3731135137_c8a97044cc_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dadegroot/3731135137/)
Love it! Nice use of NDX400, making a nice shot into a great shot.

Somebody wasn't thinking when they named that place... obviously :rolleyes: :lol:

[tangcla]

Ahh okay, so it isn't a *retarded* system so to speak. That was the impression I had :)
Correct, it's smart. So the reason that they gave me is full of crap.

[Froggeh]

hi deletedpenguin.

you'll probably find me in the overseas passenger terminal at the domestic machines expo - 40D/17-40L, or pulling shots on the Di Bartoli stand - alternatively you're likely to see me @ Mecca's stand in 'the orient' section or back in the overseas terminal @ ECA. Remember that coffee's are $2 a shot, everywhere, which is a good way to try various suppliers if you're a fiend like I am. Unfortuantely, that's double the $1 of last year.

link to aromafest is @ http://www.therocks.com/sydney-Things_To_Do-Aroma_Festival.htm - on from 10 til 5. If I'm around, email me w/ your mobile # & I'll get it on my phone. should be there most of the afternoon.

[Backflipboy]

Baby came.

Details on blog.

Very very happy camper right here. :)
Whilst I'm not big on children until they are three, congratulations on the birth of your son. Unusual name you gave him - is there a story behind it?

[Froggeh]

oh, by the way - if anyone wants to purchase a 70-300mm f/4-5.6 IS USM, I'll let mine go for considerably less than the $959 it seems to be new! (digidirect, cheapest I could find)

pm me with offers.

[DAdeGroot]

Love it! Nice use of NDX400, making a nice shot into a great shot.


Yep, NDX400 ftw! :)

[ofdphoto]

Thanks everyone :)

We went with a US presidential theme ...

Josiah = name of fictional president in the West Wing
Barack = name of real president

;)

We also happen to love Josiah as a name, and we're big fans of Obama. Given his presidency commenced in the year of Josiah's birth ... ;)

[photobitz]

Baby came.

Details on blog.

Very very happy camper right here. :)

Congrats Luke. :D
Now for the fun part.

Whilst I'm not big on children until they are three, congratulations on the birth of your son. Unusual name you gave him - is there a story behind it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josiah

;)

[AdamC]

1D Mark II N back up for sale

Details?

[tangcla]

Details?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220453916584

Would sell out of eBay for $2500, based on what they seem to be selling for on eBay (less fees).

[NicD]

Any one got an idea of what i could use to practice off camera flash?

I have the urge to practice now i just need to find something to use as a test subject.....

[DAdeGroot]

Any one got an idea of what i could use to practice off camera flash?

I have the urge to practice now i just need to find something to use as a test subject.....

Your Mum?
Siblings, Father, the cat...

[The Moose]

Any one got an idea of what i could use to practice off camera flash?

I have the urge to practice now i just need to find something to use as a test subject.....

Use products. Something to stand up. Change the angles, create the shadows. Act as if it's a model (as much as possible :lol:) because you want to see what certain things do to the image when you're shooting people on Monday.

When I get my gear I'll do that but then move on to my nephew as soon as I can.

[NicD]

Your Mum?
Siblings, Father, the cat...

Dad, step mum and step sister are all out.

Cat is i got no idea.

I was thinking more of an inanimate object that i could use.

[The Moose]

Dad, step mum and step sister are all out.

Cat is i got no idea.

I was thinking more of an inanimate object that i could use.

Do you have an Xbox or Playstation? They'd be good to shoot because you can sit it down, stand it up, turn it around and all that.

[fungry]

Just anything you can find.. screwdriver like I did :), pencil? Perhaps a figurine?

[photobitz]

A balloon?

[NicD]

I have gone with a duck, then a kettle, and now me.

I have no light stands, no tripod but i do have a table and chairs.

Improvisation FTW

oh and its all hard flash light, no diffusers :(

[The Moose]

I have gone with a duck, then a kettle, and now me.

I have no light stands, no tripod but i do have a table and chairs.

Improvisation FTW

oh and its all hard flash light, no diffusers :(

Find some tracing paper and wrap it over the top of the flash with a rubber band so it's like a small softbox, then grab some black paper and wrap that around the outside of the tracing so you're not losing light to the sides.

Or put the flash on a chair, stick some paper onto the back of the chair and bounce it off that. Things like paper are the best diffuser that you can find around the house. This wasn't off camera, but I used an A3 piece of white cardboard and bounced my flash above my left shoulder off it:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3566/3344114392_ed42ab6212.jpg

You can actually see the cardboard in his eyes. Spread the light quite well :)

[Mark]

We have been at it for almost the same amount of time.
Do you know each other from the real world? :)
1D Mark II N back up for sale - the buyer supposedly made payment to wrong bank account and is waiting for bank to refund money - load of crap because it shouldn't have gone through anyway.

If anyone's interested, let me know, or else I'm relisting it on eBay.
What a PITA man... :confused:
Tell me if the mankini ever arrives...:mad:@AusPost
Baby came.

Details on blog.

Very very happy camper right here. :)
Congrats! :D
Little Manly Point - TAX

Cool photo :)
Feels abit desaturated...
Dad, step mum and step sister are all out.

Cat is i got no idea.

I was thinking more of an inanimate object that i could use.
Camera gear! :D

Also, anyone have a rough idea of how much a 4x5m shower/no slip mat would cost, like $100-200?

BTW, dave, the impossible pie is really really nice :D

[NicD]

Find some tracing paper and wrap it over the top of the flash with a rubber band so it's like a small softbox, then grab some black paper and wrap that around the outside of the tracing so you're not losing light to the sides.

Or put the flash on a chair, stick some paper onto the back of the chair and bounce it off that. Things like paper are the best diffuser that you can find around the house. This wasn't off camera, but I used an A3 piece of white cardboard and bounced my flash above my left shoulder off it:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3566/3344114392_ed42ab6212.jpg

You can actually see the cardboard in his eyes. Spread the light quite well :)

Nice photo and cute Kid :D

Good idea about the paper, will have to keep that in mind for next time.

Parents just got home so i had to stop the play around, photo's will follow shortly.



Camera gear! :D


Hmm not a bad idea for next time!

[Mark]

I have bad news,
Today I used a Nikon... AND LIKED IT :lol:
Well sort of, I was very confused by it's layout compared to the canon, and he figured out my canon much quicker than I figured out the nikon, but dayme that viewfinder and that LCD :lol:
380518
(photo by wei)

[NicD]

ok some photos as promised.

First off i would like to say that these are not proper attempts at portraits, these were muck arounds in which i tried out a few things in PS.

Feel free to CC the puppy photo's and the editing, not the person, i already know how i look :rolleyes::lol:

Edit: Taken photo's down to put them in a new thread.

[NicD]

I have bad news,
Today I used a Nikon... AND LIKED IT :lol:
Well sort of, I was very confused by it's layout compared to the canon, and he figured out my canon much quicker than I figured out the nikon, but dayme that viewfinder and that LCD :lol:
380518
(photo by wei)

Mark if you go to the darkside can you give me your gear? :lol::lol:

[ANGUS]

Do you know each other from the real world? Yep, We have met once or twice when ive been in Melbourne...

[Mark]

Mark if you go to the darkside can you give me your gear? :lol::lol:
:lol::lol: I won't, soon enough canon will bring out stuff that is better than the nikon... that is as long as they stop trying to make it be such a pay more to get more mentality it is now... The AF in the D700 is 4000x better than the 5D2 (okay a bit of an exaggeration :lol:) and it is sealed, mmm that is the thing that really annoys me about canon... Anyways :lol:
I really think that maybe at some point I will go to a D800 or whatever it is then if canon doesn't change that...
Cool photos, my favourite is probably 3 for the quality/feel of the light, it is a bit dark feeling... The rest I just find a bit vintage/rustic for me ;)
BTW did you have your hood on properly in 4? :lol:

[NicD]

:lol::lol: I won't, soon enough canon will bring out stuff that is better than the nikon... that is as long as they stop trying to make it be such a pay more to get more mentality it is now... The AF in the D700 is 4000x better than the 5D2 (okay a bit of an exaggeration :lol:) and it is sealed, mmm that is the thing that really annoys me about canon... Anyways :lol:

Cool photos, my favourite is probably 3 for the quality/feel of the light, it is a bit dark feeling... The rest I just find a bit vintage/rustic for me ;)

Fair enough, i guess it is a individual thing.

#1 was a shot that i thought needed the old horror movie treatment, i don't know why just felt it did.

As i said these are just playing around with different techniques so i'm always happy to hear peoples comments.

On that note i am off to bed, training in the morning :(

Night all!

[NicD]

BTW did you have your hood on properly in 4? :lol:

There isnt a hood on this jacket ;);):lol:

[Mark]

Fair enough, i guess it is a individual thing.

#1 was a shot that i thought needed the old horror movie treatment, i don't know why just felt it did.

As i said these are just playing around with different techniques so i'm always happy to hear peoples comments.

On that note i am off to bed, training in the morning :(

Night all!
Yeah, it just isn't my style ;)
Look at my photos are always oversaturated tonemapped or over contrasty crap :lol:

[Mark]

There isnt a hood on this jacket ;);):lol:
Lens hood, do you honestly think I would notice anything about someones clothes :lol::rolleyes:

[mickeyjuice]

I have bad news,
Today I used a Nikon... AND LIKED IT :lol:
Well sort of, I was very confused by it's layout compared to the canon, and he figured out my canon much quicker than I figured out the nikon, but dayme that viewfinder and that LCD

I really don't get why people get so excited about the screen on the back of a body.

:lol::lol: I won't, soon enough canon will bring out stuff that is better than the nikon... that is as long as they stop trying to make it be such a pay more to get more mentality it is now...

That's called 'business'.

[Old Fart]

Thanks everyone :)

We went with a US presidential theme ...

Josiah = name of fictional president in the West Wing
Barack = name of real president

;)

We also happen to love Josiah as a name, and we're big fans of Obama. Given his presidency commenced in the year of Josiah's birth ... ;)

There I was thinking I was the only person who watched The West Wing in Australia.
Congratulations on the birth of your son, it's a very special time, enjoy :)

[DAdeGroot]

BTW, dave, the impossible pie is really really nice :D

Thanks :-)

I really don't get why people get so excited about the screen on the back of a body.


well although I didn't buy it for the screen, the 5D II screen is quite nice for checking fine focus on while in the field.

[AndrewOz]

Baby came.

Details on blog.

Very very happy camper right here. :)

Congratulations to both of you. :cool:

[S7000]

Congrats Luke.

Dave, or anyone. What the heck is this Scott Kelby photo walk?

[mickeyjuice]

Congrats Luke.

Dave, or anyone. What the heck is this Scott Kelby photo walk?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Scott+Kelby+photo+walk

[The Moose]

I love LMGTFY :lol: It's just the way you read what it says, hilarious stuff.

[DAdeGroot]

Congrats Luke.

Dave, or anyone. What the heck is this Scott Kelby photo walk?

It's a massive co-ordinated social gathering (or an excuse for a lot of photographers to end up at a cafe/pub/pancake manor).

There's also prizes for best photo, not that I'm holding out much hope for that, but worth a shot. And it was yesterday, so you missed out.

[mickeyjuice]

I love LMGTFY :lol: It's just the way you read what it says, hilarious stuff.

Yeah, it's great - I use it whenever I can :-)

Did it to someone in another forum last week and they got really really aggro - was fun too :-)

[AdamC]

Yeah, it's great - I use it whenever I can :-)

Did it to someone in another forum last week and they got really really aggro - was fun too :-)

In other places I hang out, they just say JFGI. ;)

[mickeyjuice]

In other places I hang out, they just say JFGI. ;)

Yeah, but I like the visuals of LMGTFY :-)

[S7000]

I love LMGTFY :lol: It's just the way you read what it says, hilarious stuff.

OK TFGTFM. :p

[The Moose]

Yeah, it's great - I use it whenever I can :-)

Did it to someone in another forum last week and they got really really aggro - was fun too :-)

:lol: That happens a lot when I've seen it used, it's great.

[mickeyjuice]

OK TFGTFM. :p

NP :-)

[Highlight_Photography]

Congratulations Dave!

Just got back from Computer swap meet. Brought myself 2gb of ram and 320gb SATA hard drive to update in one of my laptops for $60.

[mickeyjuice]

Just got back from Computer swap meet. Brought myself 2gb of ram and 320gb SATA hard drive to update in one of my laptops for $60.

Can't beat a cheap computer upgrade!

[Mark]

I really don't get why people get so excited about the screen on the back of a body.



That's called 'business'.
Because I looked at it and could actually tell sharp focus easily...
I can't do that on my mk III

I know that is business but as an end user, not shareholder, what do you want...
Congrats Luke.

Dave, or anyone. What the heck is this Scott Kelby photo walk?
worldwide photocrawl :lol:
Congratulations Dave!

Just got back from Computer swap meet. Brought myself 2gb of ram and 320gb SATA hard drive to update in one of my laptops for $60.
Good job :)

[NicD]

Lens hood, do you honestly think I would notice anything about someones clothes :lol::rolleyes:

Oh, right, haha my bad.

The top left corner is the bottom of a picture frame that i forgot to crop out.

[tangcla]

SO I'm probably going to sell my Lenovo X200s laptop. Any takers? :)

Also have an OCZ Vertex 120GB SSD for sale. It's blisteringly fast.

[fungry]

SO I'm probably going to sell my Lenovo X200s laptop. Any takers? :)

Also have an OCZ Vertex 120GB SSD for sale. It's blisteringly fast.
SLC or MLC?