"Well I don't wanna have to upgrade my lenses when/if I go FF"

[tkbslc]

I have seen this statement a lot lately. Something to the effect of, "I have an Xti and I want a zoom lens, but someday I might upgrade to FF so I don't want any APS-C lenses" So they want to buy a ridiculously overpriced lens, or one that is not the perfect focal length on 1.6x, just because they might someday, if everything works out, end up with a full frame camera. This just seems ridiculous. To me it would be like buying a minivan for a college kid because they might get married and have children someday. Nevermind that is is all wrong for them now. Why not address your needs today with the best solution for today?

Does this bug anyone else?

[namasste]

I have seen this statement a lot lately. Something to the effect of, "I have an Xti and I want a zoom lens, but someday I might upgrade to FF so I don't want any APS-C lenses" So they want to buy a ridiculously overpriced lens, or one that is not the perfect focal length on 1.6x, just because they might someday, if everything works out, end up with a full frame camera. This just seems ridiculous. To me it would be like buying a minivan for a college kid because they might get married and have children someday. Nevermind that is is all wrong for them now. Why not address your needs today with the best solution for today?

Does this bug anyone else?does the minivan have red pin striping? if so, then it makes sense to me.:lol::lol:

[kevindar]

Does it bug me? not the least bit. do I think its the wrong thought process? for me it would be.

[pixel_junkie]

I'm with you 100% - especially considering how well lenses hold their value. If you buy used, sometimes you don't lose anything at all.

[nicksan]

When I had the 20D, I bought the EF-S 17-55 f2.8 IS. Didn't even think about consequences. That was the best tool for me, and bang, I bought it.

It's very easy to sell lenses, so I never worry about stuff like that.

A few years ago, when I decided to make the move to FF, there were already rumors about the next version of the 5D. Didn't even take that into consideration. Wanted a 5D, so I bought it. 2 years later, they finally came out with the 5D MKII. Would have waited like an idiot for 2 years if I didn't buy that 5D back then.

So yeah...get what you need now. I buy most of my stuff used which pretty much eliminates the initial depreciation hit you take when buying new.

[DDCSD]

It doesn't bother me so much when someone says it about themselves as it does when people give advice to others and constantly mention "that won't work on FF!".




So yeah...get what you need now. I buy most of my stuff used which pretty much eliminates the initial depreciation hit you take when buying new.


Absolutely! Especially the part about buying what you need now.

[nureality]

As someone who generally subscribes to this line of thinking (I still shoot film from time to time and like my lenses to be used on film as well as my 40D), I feel its not terrible thinking IF you understand the differences in framings from format to format and are buying a lens that will be useful for you on both. That said, there are some lenses for crop out there that are worth owning even if you must support both formats given your current or future gear considerations because they simply are the best available option for the 1.6x format now and have no direct equivalent on FF/film AND you would be denying yourself a better lens just because its 1.6x crop only. (Examples of this being the EF-S 17-55 IS, Tamron 17-50, Tokina 11-16, Tokina 10-17 FE Zoom, Sigma 10mm DC EX Fisheye, and Sigma 30mm f/1.4 DC EX)

Unfortunately given the disparity of FOV from 1.6x to FF, you can't try to (as we say in a Russian proverb/phrase) "have one ass at two bazaars". You must be aware of the difference and how wide-angles really get affected - this forces one to get at least SOME lenses that will only serve them on crop.

[TheBurningCrown]

For me I think it depends on the time frame.

I'm looking to purchase a new lens, and I want it to be EF because I'm planning (hoping) to be able to switch to FF within the year, and don't want to have to resell a lens within a couple months of buying it.

That being said, I am considering purchasing the EF-S 17-55 instead...

[tonylong]

It doesn't "bug" me when people say that about themselves because, well, why would someone's personal preference bug me:)?

But, I agree that it's not necessarily the best path for someone and the best advice to give. For a new DSLR user, I have no qualms advising the full array of EF-S lenses -- the budget package of the 18-55 IS and the 55-250 IS is, to me, a great value. You get from wide to a decent length for less than a single L lens, and they have a good performance record.

Add to that the 10-22 and, when and if the budget allows, replace the 18-55 with the 17-55 f/2.8 IS, and you are very likely to have your needs met for quite a spell. The upgrade will come with special needs, such as low light sports or wildlife shooting or whatever.

Most people won't want to invest the big bucks in a full frame camera and the L glass that fills the full frame range. I like my Honda Accord and probably won't be getting a Lexus unless I win the lottery, so I'm gonna adapt to my needs, not the needs of Lexus owners:)!

[superstes]

To be honest, I bought the 70-200 for my crop specifically for sports and it works great, I had a chance to get the 24-70 prior to my pending purchase of a 5D and if I passed this up I knew I would have to wait a very very long time until that sort of chance came up again.

Having the 24-70 is sort of now pushing me a little faster towards the 5D.

[tonylong]

To be honest, I bought the 70-200 for my crop specifically for sports and it works great, I had a chance to get the 24-70 prior to my pending purchase of a 5D and if I passed this up I knew I would have to wait a very very long time until that sort of chance came up again.

Having the 24-70 is sort of now pushing me a little faster towards the 5D.

Fair enough! Some types of photography need the high-end lenses, and for sure if you are determined to go full frame (or 1D series) then that figures into your choices as well.

In fact, I kind of cringe whenever someone asks for advice for budget lenses and then mentions that they will shoot a lot of sports and/or wildlife...:)

[dustyporch]

Like others, I've seen people say this quite a bit, but it doesn't bother me... I think it's not the best way to go about it, but everybody makes their own choices about gear.

I prefer the EF-S type lenses mostly because they are smaller and lighter than their full frame counterparts. If I decide to go FF someday (or the market does), then I'll just sell what doesn't work and move on. Same goes for my remote release, grip, batteries and stuff which is also XTi specific.

[matonanjin]

I have seen this statement a lot lately. Something to the effect of, "I have an Xti and I want a zoom lens, but someday I might upgrade to FF so I don't want any APS-C lenses" So they want to buy a ridiculously overpriced lens, or one that is not the perfect focal length on 1.6x, just because they might someday, if everything works out, end up with a full frame camera. This just seems ridiculous. To me it would be like buying a minivan for a college kid because they might get married and have children someday. Nevermind that is is all wrong for them now. Why not address your needs today with the best solution for today?

Does this bug anyone else?


No. Why would something that doesn't effect me bug me?

[photoguy6405]

This is a theory/preference that I subscribe to, and unashamedly so. Not that I would *never* get an EF-S lens, of course, but it'd have to be something of a special reason for me to do so.

Now, part of my reasoning was because, as recent as two months ago, I still had film cameras, and I wanted to be able to use all my lenses on all my cameras to avoid redundancy in lens ownership. Granted, that is not as critical now that I am 100% digital*, but I still hold the same mindset as my plans are to eventually move to FF in the (hopefully) not too distant future.

I understand that one cal sell a good lens for a good price, so that's not much of an issue. For me, I'd still prefer to avoid the hassle of selling when the time comes. The day that I get a FF DSLR I want to be able to slap a lens on and go.

I also have no qualms when people warn others "You can't use it on a FF". To me they're just making sure the person has full information so they can make a fully informed decision.

Having said that, there is a part of me that would like to have a 10-22 for my 40D.

*- One of my DSLRs is a 10D, which does not take EF-S lenses, but I use the 40D 95% of the time.

[[Hyuni]]

Haha I thought the same way the most of you said.
It's ridiculous to not consider an EF-S lens because you *might* want to be upgrading to a FF body in the future.

Honestly, I never thought I would be getting a 1DmkII, but a killer deal presented itself and I HAD to bite!

Now, I'll not only be selling my 40D, but also the Tamron 17-50. Kinda sucks because I really liked the Tamron and there's really no good substitute for 1.3x cropped body.
So not only do I have to sell two items, but I am currently without a wide angle lens for my 1D... Bleh~ Such a hassle.

[Depth]

I need what works for me now, so that means having to get a few lens that only work on cropped sensors. Maybe some people can live with planning ahead for a FF and not getting the lenses that work best for them, but I really can't since I'm working on my portfolio.

Doesn't bug me when other people plan ahead for a FF, they can go ahead and either spend more or get what doesn't work for them at the moment.

[tonylong]

;7928136']Haha I thought the same way the most of you said.
It's ridiculous to not consider an EF-S lens because you *might* want to be upgrading to a FF body in the future.

Honestly, I never thought I would be getting a 1DmkII, but a killer deal presented itself and I HAD to bite!

Now, I'll not only be selling my 40D, but also the Tamron 17-50. Kinda sucks because I really liked the Tamron and there's really no good substitute for 1.3x cropped body.
So not only do I have to sell two items, but I am currently without a wide angle lens for my 1D... Bleh~ Such a hassle.

I'm curious -- how bad is the vignetting with the Tamron on the 1D?

[[Hyuni]]

I'm curious -- how bad is the vignetting with the Tamron on the 1D?
The corners are completely dark. Hmm hard to explain without showing you a photo. If I have time, I'll take a photo and post it up.

[bacchanal]

I have seen this statement a lot lately. Something to the effect of, "I have an Xti and I want a zoom lens, but someday I might upgrade to FF so I don't want any APS-C lenses" So they want to buy a ridiculously overpriced lens, or one that is not the perfect focal length on 1.6x, just because they might someday, if everything works out, end up with a full frame camera. This just seems ridiculous. To me it would be like buying a minivan for a college kid because they might get married and have children someday. Nevermind that is is all wrong for them now. Why not address your needs today with the best solution for today?

Does this bug anyone else?

You haven't been on this forum very long have you? You'd be surprised how often "Someday I might upgrade to FF" means, "I'm upgrading to FF in 6 months or less."

But anyway, there is nothing wrong with buying only EF lenses for APS-C. I've only owned one EF-S lens (the 17-55IS) and it was a damn good lens, but I wouldn't exactly say that it was a bargain compared to the EF lenses that I've owned.

[photoguy6405]

I need what works for me now, so that means having to get a few lens that only work on cropped sensors. Maybe some people can live with planning ahead for a FF and not getting the lenses that work best for them, but I really can't since I'm working on my portfolio.

Doesn't bug me when other people plan ahead for a FF, they can go ahead and either spend more or get what doesn't work for them at the moment.

One thing I have learned in life is that, when I need something, is to buy the best that I can afford at the time. Fortunately, as far as lenses the past several years, that means EF lenses. So, in a sense, I feel that your philosophy and mine are actually pretty similar... especially since I wouldn't buy a bigger/"better"/more expensive lens that doesn't suit my needs to begin with... albeit not identical.

[sjones]

It doesn't bother me at all. If someone truly intends to upgrade, I don't see a problem with it; it does not automatically mean that they are subjecting themselves to ridiculously overpriced lenses or lenses that don't conform with their needs. A lot of it depends on their budget, speaking of which….

...In fact, I kind of cringe whenever someone asks for advice for budget lenses and then mentions that they will shoot a lot of sports and/or wildlife...:)

Some folks just can't afford it, and a parent doesn't need a big white obnoxious lens to take great photos of little snotty Johnny playing soccer.

Also, I suppose it depends on what you consider high end. Even if assuming the user is looking to get published and needs a telephoto, that is one thing, but if they need the top-of-the-line telephoto, nope, I don't agree.

[[Hyuni]]

I'm curious -- how bad is the vignetting with the Tamron on the 1D?

;7928282']The corners are completely dark. Hmm hard to explain without showing you a photo. If I have time, I'll take a photo and post it up.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v67/ChangHyun84/KS5P7448.jpg
don't mind the dust. I bought the 1DmkII used and have yet to have it cleaned.

It fits the EF mount, but doesn't do much else.
FF probably has to be even worse!

[DDCSD]

Hmmmmm...... That isn't too bad...... More than usable for concerts....

EDIT: NM that's at 50mm, how does it look at 17mm?

[[Hyuni]]

more or less of the same

[eelnoraa]

does the minivan have red pin striping? if so, then it makes sense to me.:lol::lol:

wooohhhuooo, LOL. And don't forget the color of the minivan too, it'd better the off white

[DeaconG]

You should buy based on your requirements NOW, cost should be a secondary consideration at best. If cost is the primary consideration, your requirements have to be adjusted. Most people aren't going to be able to purchase full frame camera bodies complete with L lenses right off the bat, so going crop and EF-S is a logical and economic solution.

Did I want the 5DII when it came out? Yep! Could I afford it? Nope! Did I really need it to get into the game? Nope!

It's gonna be a long, long time before my 50D/EF-S 17-55 combo gets sold/gifted, so I'm not going to worry about it. If I need EF-S glass to meet a requirement and I have the benjamins to buy it, I'll buy it. If I need L glass to meet the requirement and I have the benjamins to buy it, I'll buy it.

Only YOU (and your wallet) know your needs.

[HappySnapper90]

Does this bug anyone else?

Not in the least. Not everyone wants the hassle and risk of selling lenses on here or ebay and hoping they can get a decent price for a lens. Why not buy "decent" FF lenses to begin? And as I'm sure you should know FF doesn't require expensive L lenses.

The Tamron 28-75 does as good as the Canon 24-70L but for 1/3 the price, you can go with a Sigma 12-24 or Canon 17-40L (about same price) for your wide (or super wide in the case of the Sigma) lens. 70-200 lenses would just act a bit longer an aps-c.

So there's really no reason to fret people not wanting to buy 2 or 3 "digital" lenses just to have to sell them 2 or 3 years later for a 20% loss in sale price.

[DStanic]

Perhaps if they made some EF-S lenses that were better quality then more people would buy them and stop complaining (I'm borrowing a 17-55 IS for the weekend, not impressed with the build quality for a $1000 lens). Zooming with this thing feel like it needs to be oiled or something..lol.. compared to my Sigma 24-60EX which is a nicely built lens.

[hollis_f]

No. Why would something that doesn't effect me bug me?

It's when people try to persuade noobies not to buy a particular lens "just in case you decide to move up to FF" that it bugs me. Fair enough to point out that an EF-S won't work on all Canon's dSLRs, but for somebody (whom a noobie may well think is an 'expert') to bluntly state "don't buy XXX because..." is just plain confusing.

I've decided not to buy any new lenses at all (well, apart from the 70-200 f4 I'm getting on Tuesday) just in case I decide to switch to Nikon sometime in the future.

[argyle]

Someone else's preference doesn't bug me...why should it? What does bug me is people using the phrase "when I go full frame". Overused and sounds ridiculous...:lol:

[bacchanal]

Someone else's preference doesn't bug me...why should it? What does bug me is people using the phrase "when I go full frame". Overused and sounds ridiculous...:lol:

"When I go full frame" is the reason I shoot Canon...as Nikon didn't have a FF camera when I was starting out. It took me about 18months after I purchased my 30D to go FF. Pretty ridiculous.

[Mosca]

I bought the best lenses available for my 40D; that meant the Canon 17-55 and the Tokina 11-16. "If I go full frame" I'll probably keep the 40D or give it to my daughter to use. But if I go full frame, that will probably mean that I hit the lotto, and the cost of the lenses will not matter to me.