Maybe I am a prude but...

[KrissiIZme]

I am very interested in g&n photography. I am new to photography and to this site. I like looking through the g&n forums but have noticed a lot of comments that I think are rather rude/inappropriate comments.
I read the rules of this forums and well they are not being followed:
"Comments should be related to the photography at hand. This means and execution (lighting, composition, etc.).
No personal comments about models or photographers. Discussion about models should be limited to skills involved such as posing, makeup, expression, etc.
Keep language professional . No sexual remarks. No juvenile remarks.
Discussion is encouraged and preferred over one-line comments."

I am working on my photog skills and like reading the C&C on the photos posted in here. But I have been reading a lot of comments about the models like "Woof Woof" and others that are commenting on the models body. I am now thinking I'd like to search for a better web site that follows the rules they have set in place. It seems like this forum is more of a "Gentlemen's Club". I have no problem when comments are made that the model is pretty or the pose is sexy..but things like "woof woof" or "Lucky you, my pacemaker died with a Blue Screen of Death! I had to crawl to the garage to get a jump start", and comments with words like "raised" <(eluding to the male organ). I've read other comments from other posts but these are just fresh in my mind right now.
Basically as a noob I want to know if these comments break the rules and why they are allowed? Maybe I am being prudish although I do not think I am. I love the beauty of a woman's body (I am a woman), but in the rules I read of this forum I guess I got the wrong impression of what this site is. I was hoping for a forum with c&c that would help me learn how to shot a human model. I don't want to call anyone out for their posts I just want to have a clear view of what this forum is about.
My husband and I will be taking some nudes...of me, and I would like to post them for honest c&c, but my husband (after reading some of the comments) does not want a bunch of posters oogling me. Or making comments like the ones I've mentioned.
He likes it when other men find me attractive but we thought this site might look beyond that and too the photography. (I am no where near model material, but my husband likes me so...I don't care)
Maybe someone can clear this up...I might have it all wrong.

[Balliolman]

You have a point.

Some commenters have clearly not read/understood the forum guidelines or ignored/forgotten them.

[tommykjensen]

Please use the http://photography-on-the.net/forum/images/buttons/report.gif to report inappropriate comments. Unfortunately the mod team is not able to read every single post so we rely on members reporting posts.

[Kagemaru]

LOL welcome to POTN.

[KrissiIZme]

LOL welcome to POTN.

LOL. Did you notice I quoted one of your commenters from you shots of "Sammy". (BTW I really like those shots of her.)

[Kagemaru]

LOL. Did you notice I quoted one of your commenters from you shots of "Sammy". (BTW I really like those shots of her.)

Sammy? Who's Sammy?

[weka2000]

KrissiIZme you need to learn to ignore a lot of what is said. Remove the wheat from the chaff.

If you and your husband are serious then realise that Tommy is correct and they (mods) will remove posts and people if needed.

This is not a "Gentlemen's Club" rather it is a photography forum where we are all here to improve on our art.

[Kagemaru]

KrissiIZme you need to learn to ignore a lot of what is said. Remove the wheat from the chaff.

If you and your husband are serious then realise that Tommy is correct and they (mods) will remove posts and people if needed.

This is not a "Gentlemen's Club" rather it is a photography forum where we are all here to improve on our art.

Well in theory anyway.

[hawk911]

so what becomes "over the line?" Does "nice model" cross it, or is that acceptable?

this thread has a ton of comments on the model- how many are acceptable? http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=694192&highlight=nice

[Stickman]

Mods have always commented that they are willing to assist, but need to be notified. The majority of threads seem to have comments about the models which violate the stated rules, so at a certain point, I think this section has been left to itself.

Still, there is quality work thats posted, and there is enough info to make it worth while.

[Moppie]

The majority of threads seem to have comments about the models which violate the stated rules, so at a certain point, I think this section has been left to itself.



As Tommy said, we can not read every single thread and post on POTN, no matter how hard we might try.

If you see something you think breaks the rules, then use the report post button. Then it will be dealt with (we have a 100% money back garuntee here garuntee null and viod if you actually gives us any money :p).



I am very interested in g&n photography. I am new to photography and to this site. I like looking through the g&n forums but have noticed a lot of comments that I think are rather rude/inappropriate comments.
I read the rules of this forums and well they are not being followed:
"Comments should be related to the photography at hand. This means and execution (lighting, composition, etc.).
No personal comments about models or photographers. Discussion about models should be limited to skills involved such as posing, makeup, expression, etc.
Keep language professional . No sexual remarks. No juvenile remarks.
Discussion is encouraged and preferred over one-line comments."

I am working on my photog skills and like reading the C&C on the photos posted in here. But I have been reading a lot of comments about the models like "Woof Woof" and others that are commenting on the models body. I am now thinking I'd like to search for a better web site that follows the rules they have set in place. It seems like this forum is more of a "Gentlemen's Club". I have no problem when comments are made that the model is pretty or the pose is sexy..but things like "woof woof" or "Lucky you, my pacemaker died with a Blue Screen of Death! I had to crawl to the garage to get a jump start", and comments with words like "raised" <(eluding to the male organ). I've read other comments from other posts but these are just fresh in my mind right now.
Basically as a noob I want to know if these comments break the rules and why they are allowed? Maybe I am being prudish although I do not think I am. I love the beauty of a woman's body (I am a woman), but in the rules I read of this forum I guess I got the wrong impression of what this site is. I was hoping for a forum with c&c that would help me learn how to shot a human model. I don't want to call anyone out for their posts I just want to have a clear view of what this forum is about.
My husband and I will be taking some nudes...of me, and I would like to post them for honest c&c, but my husband (after reading some of the comments) does not want a bunch of posters oogling me. Or making comments like the ones I've mentioned.
He likes it when other men find me attractive but we thought this site might look beyond that and too the photography. (I am no where near model material, but my husband likes me so...I don't care)
Maybe someone can clear this up...I might have it all wrong.



I'm really not sure where the problem is.
I searched some of the quotes you made, and could only find one, and it was in a thread from several years ago, from before there was a seperate G&N forum, and before the current rules where in place.

I would suggest you look at some of the more recent threads and going back last couple of years, and you will find the G&N forum has always been be a really nice place.

[Mark_Cohran]

The report button is your friend and ours. If a post gets reported, it's guaranteed to be discussed and, if inappropriate, action taken. This forum is well moderated and members that can't keep their comments germane to the photography and processing of the image can get their G&N privileges revoked. Well intended, and appropriate compliments are usually acceptable, but comments with any sexual connotations are not and are typically removed as quickly as they are noted or reported.

[Mark1]

You are being a prude. But in a way that you should be. Nobody wants to put them selves out in a way that draws the responses you are responding to. And good for you for saying something about it! Rather than just moving on.

However you have to realize that you have no controol over the "oogling" once they are posted. Not everybody responds who reads the posts. I would worry more about the ones that dont respond and only look. Responses, even the rude ones, are mostly ment to be lighthearted. There is no way to tell about the ones that dont respond.

[FeXL]

... Not everybody responds who reads the posts. I would worry more about the ones that dont respond and only look.

Why? Many of us have a legitimate reason for not responding in the forum. With 500 posts required to respond in G/N, not everybody who views the post can respond.

That doesn't make me a freak, it merely means that I am constrained by the rules of the forum. I can (and do) respond by PM as I choose.

[hawk911]

on another forum, they make you validate you are 18 to have access there. my wife, even though I've told her the rules are not to comment, has made me pull pics down because there have been no comments on her looks. It's a situational thing.

[woodsters]

If I read correctly. The G&N section falls under "Photo Sharing". There is a "Critique Corner" elsewhere. Not that I am against offering C&C in the G&N section, but I think it should be warranted. I would like to see a "C&C OK" ok tag for the left just like the "IMAGE EDITIG OK". Or if someone eants critique, ask for it. I think saying that a model is pretty, nice or sexy is not out of line. If I said her tits are fantastic or I would love to do something to her, then ok, we have gone overboard. I find it just as rude to tell someone you don't like their picture or it doesn't do it for you. Or to say something needs to be done better, but not offer any help. There are plenty of newcomers on here and yes, while their photos might not be as great as some of the professionals on here, they do not learn anything if no one offers them any help. I also think there are nice ways and rude ways of saying things. And another, if you feel so inclined to comment and offer some C&C on their photos, at least be able to do what you are saying what they should do. The forum is not a photoshoot and one shouldn't try to direct others like it is. Offer them advice. Rather than saying "you shouldn't do this", why not say "next time you might to want to try this...". And when people say "that's not flattering", then what are they really saying? To me, saying that is just as saying it makes them fat, ugly or whatever. People read into things and interpret them their own ways.

As far as being a prude. I would say that if you are willing to photograph others or have yourself photographed in a nude/semi nude or "sexy" manner, then the thoughts of prudeness need to go out the door. You are putting yourself out there for display. A comment telling you, that you are sexy shouldn't of concern. Someone taking your photo and posting it elsewhere as their own should be. People are allowed into the G&N section to view. All they have to say is that they are 18. While those who want to post in it have to have special concessions or reach a post number of 500. I think entry to the area should be as restrictive. Why let them look if they can't comment?

Just my $.02

[arnie12]

While those who want to post in it have to have special concessions or reach a post number of 500. I think entry to the area should be as restrictive. Why let them look if they can't comment?

Just my $.02
Why not? Why shouldn't I be able to look at the pictures in the G&N section? you can see from my Model Mayhem portfolio (see signature) that I am also active in this part of our great hobby/work, but I can't post anything without going through hoops (which I refuse).

And yes, it is entirely inappropriate to comment the model in detail. Just saying that a girl is pretty is redundant as well, because all girls are pretty in their own way and it is our duty as a photographer to show their beauty to the world.

[frzndaqiri]

I agree, restricting who can look won't change the OP's concerns for inappropriate posting.

While I don't meet the requirements for commenting either, looking gives me lots of ideas on improving my own photo skills, and it would be a great loss for everyone like me who quietly learns from others (both images and comments/critiques/suggestions).

[Roy Mathers]

I do sympathise to a degree with the OP. I have seen some comments on the G&N forum that could certainly be classified as schoolboy humour - and I am not a prude.

[tommykjensen]

I do sympathise to a degree with the OP. I have seen some comments on the G&N forum that could certainly be classified as schoolboy humour - and I am not a prude.

Then can we please ask that you use the report post button to report those posts so the mod team can review them and respond accordingly.

[Roy Mathers]

The comments I'm thinking about perhaps are not bad enough to report, but could still maybe cause offence to sensitive people. It's difficult at times to know whether or not to push the 'report' button and be accused of crying wolf.

[tommykjensen]

The comments I'm thinking about perhaps are not bad enough to report, but could still maybe cause offence to sensitive people. It's difficult at times to know whether or not to push the 'report' button and be accused of crying wolf.

If you are in doubt report it. If the mod team determines there is nothing to do nothing will happen. But please report those posts otherwise we migth not know about them.

[Roy Mathers]

OK - will do.

[Desertraptor]

Surely if the Poster takes offence at a comment then he/she can stand up and say so. People are different and what one person finds offensive others may not.
Yes there is a line that should not be crossed and I think we all know where it is.
Pollitical Correctness is starting to give me the ****s. Democracy is rule by majority. If one person finds something offensive then that one person knows the way out. Surely common sense must prevail especially in a Glamour/Nude forum.

[Pete]

Surely if the Poster takes offence at a comment then he/she can stand up and say so. People are different and what one person finds offensive others may not.
Yes there is a line that should not be crossed and I think we all know where it is.
Pollitical Correctness is starting to give me the ****s. Democracy is rule by majority. If one person finds something offensive then that one person knows the way out. Surely common sense must prevail especially in a Glamour/Nude forum.

I think the key thing that we're wanting to preserve here is an idea of "respect" for the model.

Any comments that can be seen as being disrepectful toward a model does not sit well with us. That's why the posting guidelines have been set up and why we adhere to them.

Of course, posters should also show respect to the photographer, but the models are sacrosanct. If the model looks bad, then it's usually good manners to blame this either on the photographer (in getting the lighting, posing wrong) or the make-up artist.

In general, criticize the photographer, not the model.

[arnie12]

Pete, you're correct. But I think the OP was referring to overly sexual remarks aimed at the model. These remarks are probably meant as a compliment (for both the photographer AND the model) but are seen by some (female?) readers as inappropriate.

[Pete]

Pete, you're correct. But I think the OP was referring to overly sexual remarks aimed at the model. These remarks are probably meant as a compliment (for both the photographer AND the model) but are seen by some (female?) readers as inappropriate.

Lack of respect is always inappropriate, even if you personally know both photographer and model, it's always safest to be mature in responses on POTN.

[hawk911]

Well, what woman doesn't want to be acknowledged for her beauty?!? But the forum is supposed to be more about taking the picture, and helping others understand how to get similar results with your own models, who may or may not look like the model in the original image. If the rule was always applied equally, we wouldn't have this discussion, would we?

[arnie12]

Well, what woman doesn't want to be acknowledged for her beauty?!?
But not in a crude way ;). Say to a woman (not your wife/girl friend/fiancee!) that she has wonderful breasts and carefully observe (and feel!) her reaction. She will not like your remark.

[Pete]

But not in a crude way ;). Say to a woman (not your wife/girl friend/fiancee!) that she has wonderful breasts and carefully observe (and feel!) her reaction. She will not like your remark.

Exactly the point. And yet tell the same woman how beautiful she is and you'll be rewarded with a smile...

[hawk911]

my wife has had me pull images because she has not gotten the same "crude" remarks about her that other models get. Not saying it's entirely the forum's issue, but just pointing out how the application of this rule affects the women who've trusted us with their image.

[Pete]

my wife has had me pull images because she has not gotten the same "crude" remarks about her that other models get. Not saying it's entirely the forum's issue, but just pointing out how the application of this rule affects the women who've trusted us with their image.

As said before. If you report those comments, they'll be removed as quickly as possible. Repeat offenders will find that their access to the G/N section will be revoked.

[hawk911]

Understood Pete. Thanks.

[Roy Mathers]

my wife has had me pull images because she has not gotten the same "crude" remarks about her that other models get. Not saying it's entirely the forum's issue, but just pointing out how the application of this rule affects the women who've trusted us with their image.

I'm not sure I understand this - do you mean because she has got the same crude remarks?

[Roy Mathers]

Surely if the Poster takes offence at a comment then he/she can stand up and say so. People are different and what one person finds offensive others may not.
Yes there is a line that should not be crossed and I think we all know where it is.
Pollitical Correctness is starting to give me the ****s. Democracy is rule by majority. If one person finds something offensive then that one person knows the way out. Surely common sense must prevail especially in a Glamour/Nude forum.


Yes, this is really why I don't use the report button.

[hawk911]

no- it's the lack of remarks, even though I tell her they aren't supposed to comment on the models. She sees what other images get, and when she doesn't get the same, she gets depressed. She'd love to have the guys tell her nice breasts, butt, etc. she's lost some weight, and it would boost her self-image. Damned if you do, damned if you don't kinda thing though.

[Roy Mathers]

You mean she gets depressed if she doesn't get crude remarks?

[Pete]

Yes, this is really why I don't use the report button.

We have no problem at all with reported posts that don't necessarily lead to action. We would much rather get reports of potential problems than let real problems go past unnoticed. As moderators, we can only act on issues that we notice on our day-to-day browsing of POTN (there's 24 of us and typically over 1,000 members online at any one time). Having the general membership here communicate potential problems to us with the report button is a huge help.

no- it's the lack of remarks, even though I tell her they aren't supposed to comment on the models. She sees what other images get, and when she doesn't get the same, she gets depressed. She'd love to have the guys tell her nice breasts, butt, etc. she's lost some weight, and it would boost her self-image. Damned if you do, damned if you don't kinda thing though.

In cases like this, it's probably best if you ask for such comments up-front - "what do you think about xxx and yyy" and you'll get the responses.

[arnie12]

no- it's the lack of remarks, even though I tell her they aren't supposed to comment on the models. She sees what other images get, and when she doesn't get the same, she gets depressed. She'd love to have the guys tell her nice breasts, butt, etc. she's lost some weight, and it would boost her self-image. Damned if you do, damned if you don't kinda thing though.
I think this is atypical. Next time you post a picture of her, ask for lewd comments (and tell the moderators that this is wanted/needed by the model) and have a blast. I am quite sure most guys will oblige...

[hawk911]

I suppose if you ask for the commentary on her body parts, then it's allowed. We'll see what we get next time. Gotta take the pictures first. On the other hand, she'd rather have sincere comments, not fake appreciation for her assets just cuz someone gave them a prompt to do so.

[Pete]

I suppose if you ask for the commentary on her body parts, then it's allowed. We'll see what we get next time. Gotta take the pictures first. On the other hand, she'd rather have sincere comments, not fake appreciation for her assets just cuz someone gave them a prompt to do so.

I'm sure you appreciate that we're trying to uphold the good reputation of the G/N section. We do this by fostering an atmosphere of respect. The reason why we don't normally encourage negative/constructive criticism of the model is because the model is doing the best that she/he can do. It's the photographers job to get the best out of their subject, so that's what should get the bulk of the critique.

Positive comments about the model is just good manners. However, some models (especially partners of photographers) may take targeted compliments adversely (or just assume the people making the comments are letching).

Hopefully, if you ask for more targeted comments, you'll get tactful and honest answers.

[hawk911]

Nope- I get it.

[Karl Johnston]

I happen to like the free-talk of the forum, rather than constrain what you say, I find it's pretty easy going but professional on POTN (...shut up :lol:) though I have never really seen anything "woof woof" on the GN forum..maybe I'm not looking at the right posts.

Maybe on occasion but they're usually removed or dealt with in some way or another.

There's some serious talent here and some serious skill, and some serious professionals..but let's be honest, nobody can be serious all the time. Serious about certain things, yes, but tension on a shoot is #1 enemy. Being free, talkative, polite-yes-but ...free with what you say (within reason).

Am i making any sense?

[Desertraptor]

I suppose if you ask for the commentary on her body parts, then it's allowed. We'll see what we get next time. Gotta take the pictures first. On the other hand, she'd rather have sincere comments, not fake appreciation for her assets just cuz someone gave them a prompt to do so.

If I posted a photo of my partner I would not want those kinds of remarks. I draw the line at commenting on partners even at work. To me partners are completely out of bounds.
It's nice to have a girl that others are in awe of but I would never comment "she has nice tits" about a partner.
But a model although still against the rules here may draw such attention because they are not the partner of the poster.
I hope I didn't confuse anyone?
I just wish I had the gear to take such gorgeous photos as those I often see and admire here. Maybe soon I will be able to add photographically to the forum more than the few shots I have.

[Roy Mathers]

But surely everybody is somebody's partner (or almost)?

[cdifoto]

I wish people would tell me my butt is nice. :(

[Desertraptor]

Some bodies yes but the Pro guys here don't use their partners. Sso often the model wont see the comments. I think if a partner is offended by a comment left against a photo of them then that is over the line.

[hawk911]

I guess it depends on what your parnter deems lewd or offensive, but some may like the attention given to her body if she spent long hours in the gym or on the treadmill trying to fit the "model" mold. There is simply no right answer here.

It seems the commentary allowed can be simple like "nice model" but "nice tits" or "nice ass" is not. Sounds reasonable to me and allows enough expression that you appreciate the models look.

[epatt250]

There are two issues with your issue hawk.

One is that people are somewhat naturally a bit more careful to watch what they say about a wife or girlfriend than they are a model who wants people to look at her for a living. I am not saying its right or wrong. I mean I dont understand why someone would get mad for saying your wife is a hotti if you post the pictures. If you post the pictures then you should be willing to accept that people are going to look and enjoy. But yet.. I see guys that take their women to clubs all the time and leave them to hang out with their girls why they go play pool or something, then get pissed when a guy hits on them. I totally dont get it, but it happens all the time.

The other issue is if you specifically ask for those kinds of comments it will start heading in the direction of being a 'share pics of your wife' site. The wives thread in the G&N section has headed down that road many times along its life.

As for the OP, another thing to consider. Some of the people that make comments could be very established posters who have been around a long time and grown as a photographer as a member here. Regulars may know them very well. They could have having a kick, joking with a fellow friend, just having a good time about it. But you could take it wrong if you are new and do not know them.

[hawk911]

like I said- no right or wrong answer. I suppose this is all for naught, as she told me just last night I can't post her here anymore.

[Karl Johnston]

I think if you're going to pose nude and you want privacy or decent remarks about yourself; keep it to yourself and family.

If you want to share it, especially on the web, be prepared for different points of view...

[Roy Mathers]

There is a lot of sense in that Karl.

[hawk911]

yup- I think you've just changed my mind on that. I was posting her to show her off- all her hard work. She lost 50 lbs, and I thought she looked great. She just says better; never great. So from now on, I'll just take the pictures for us, and save my postings for the other model work I do. that way it's only our opinion that matters and affects her psychy, not the worlds.

[lens pirate]

So from now on, I'll just take the pictures for us, and save my postings for the other model work I do. that way it's only our opinion that matters and affects her psychy, not the worlds.

That's a damn shame. I think your wife is beautiful. Its not like the forum wont go on or anything but as far as the eb and flow of posting goes, this diminished POTN. Please share that with her, not to change her mind but just so she knows.

To expand a bit. We men are so stupid. We always end up alienating women that bravely try to give us what we want and meet us on our own terms.

If a woman has sex with men she is labeled a slut not a angel....

If a woman dares bare her beautiful body so we can marvel at it she is looked down on, made to feel less not more.

When they reach out they are reviled and compromised, when they don't they are branded cold.

This is misogyny at its worst and most insidious.

Its so counterproductive. Imagine the joy of a world where women could feel empowered to produce great works, achieve great things in lifes struggles side by side with men... AND be encouraged to share without fear of reprisal the heavenly gift that is their sensuality.

[kjonnnn]

What a dichotomy ...perusing nude photos yet offended by "woof woff"...

[Mark_Cohran]

What a dichotomy ...perusing nude photos yet offended by "woof woff"...

Take time to read the G&N posting rules. It's not the model that's the concern but how childish and immature those commenting become.

[Southswede]

Take time to read the G&N posting rules. It's not the model that's the concern but how childish and immature those commenting become.

He still makes a good point.....and who is more childish: the maker of the remark or the person who takes offense to the remark........

[Roy Mathers]

A person who makes the remark could well be childish. The person who takes offence does not necessarily have to be - he/she could be quite right to take offence.

[Southswede]

A person who makes the remark could well be childish. The person who takes offence does not necessarily have to be - he/she could be quite right to take offence.

Agreed. It does become a fine line at times.....

[lens pirate]

I wonder if the conflict comes from trying to deny or cover up a basic motivation. There are many things to photograph that are beautiful.

I recognize and value all artistic forms of photography. But one stands out to me. The female nude. Why is that? What draws me/us?

Sorry no matter hard we try to deny it and rise above, the bottom line is that most men react to pretty naked girls no matter how artistically depicted sexually at some point.

Yes I evaluate the picture for art. I look for expertly, beautifully executed technique. But I always also think...how wonderful her smooth warm skin must feel. I wonder how she smells. How she tastes? This is not a threat!! It’s normal!!

Men are visual and are stimulated by a woman’s body, that is Biology at work.

So yes, I will endeavor to not offend; I will not intentionally make comments about the delightful confident women that have the courage to bare themselves for our benefit.

But I will continue to be a man. I will. I would not want to live in a world were being a man, desiring a woman for what she is in total, including her body is frowned on and even considered a insult.

When did being a man fall from grace?

[arnie12]

many sensible things
Of course, that's one of the many reasons females are photographed in the nude. I think this has been understood by all people here (both man AND women; they know above all what attracts men to women after all ;)).

The point is that it is considered rude to criticize a woman for her body features. Something (almost) nobody would do if (s)he met the woman in real life (even if she is nude).

So, like life in general, you may think she is beddable, but you shouldn't tell it directly in her face (especially if her husband is in hearing range).

[Karl Johnston]

I wish people would tell me my butt is nice. :(
I will if you will..nobody's ever told me that either :(

[RDKirk]

so what becomes "over the line?" Does "nice model" cross it, or is that acceptable?

this thread has a ton of comments on the model- how many are acceptable? http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=694192&highlight=nice

I'd like to know myself.

As one writer has said (to paraphrase), "The barbarian believes the customs of his tribe are laws of nature."

We write from a wide variety of places and have a wider variety of backgrounds. So if we take that particular listed thread for an example, which remarks do people think are rude?

Any consensus even from this little community?

How about this: "Absolutely beautiful model, and great shots. Nice work!"

This one? "The imaging is excellent, the model is stunning but her expression is rather limited. I find that the she isn't engaging the camera. There could be me more sultry, pouting, and aggression in her face."

This? "they are some incredible images - as fantastic as she is, the photography is awesome!3, 5 and 6 are brilliant."

What about the photographer's own initial remark: "Cute little <snip>, feisty in all the right ways...and wrongs ways also."

[onebikeonehorseone5D]

I am very interested in g&n photography. I am new to photography and to this site. I like looking through the g&n forums but have noticed a lot of comments that I think are rather rude/inappropriate comments.
I read the rules of this forums and well they are not being followed:
"Comments should be related to the photography at hand. This means and execution (lighting, composition, etc.).
No personal comments about models or photographers. Discussion about models should be limited to skills involved such as posing, makeup, expression, etc.
Keep language professional . No sexual remarks. No juvenile remarks.
Discussion is encouraged and preferred over one-line comments."

I am working on my photog skills and like reading the C&C on the photos posted in here. But I have been reading a lot of comments about the models like "Woof Woof" and others that are commenting on the models body. I am now thinking I'd like to search for a better web site that follows the rules they have set in place. It seems like this forum is more of a "Gentlemen's Club". I have no problem when comments are made that the model is pretty or the pose is sexy..but things like "woof woof" or "Lucky you, my pacemaker died with a Blue Screen of Death! I had to crawl to the garage to get a jump start", and comments with words like "raised" <(eluding to the male organ). I've read other comments from other posts but these are just fresh in my mind right now.
Basically as a noob I want to know if these comments break the rules and why they are allowed? Maybe I am being prudish although I do not think I am. I love the beauty of a woman's body (I am a woman), but in the rules I read of this forum I guess I got the wrong impression of what this site is. I was hoping for a forum with c&c that would help me learn how to shot a human model. I don't want to call anyone out for their posts I just want to have a clear view of what this forum is about.
My husband and I will be taking some nudes...of me, and I would like to post them for honest c&c, but my husband (after reading some of the comments) does not want a bunch of posters oogling me. Or making comments like the ones I've mentioned.
He likes it when other men find me attractive but we thought this site might look beyond that and too the photography. (I am no where near model material, but my husband likes me so...I don't care)
Maybe someone can clear this up...I might have it all wrong.

Remember, everyone's tolerance level is TOTALLY different. I personally do think you are prudish/puritanical. For folks to act as if you can totally seperate photography tech talk, from commenting on the beauty or specific points of a womans/mans body, is almost to the point of being rediculous. We are all human, and to say, "oh yeah, the lighting...bla bla...." and not to comment on "camel toe" or lack of nipple etc etc....is just silly....We are not robots that only see "technical" we are living breathing sexual beings that see nudity as a beautiful thing. We see nudity as a .....hold....wait.....drum roll..........and cue the dirty word.....as a "SEXUAL" thing. If it's in the photo, it is fair game. To me there is no reason why we can' t make compliments or comments or even humorous exclamations as to how beautiful the photo is.

However, there is a point where being MEAN would be not in such good taste. Saying "that model is ugly" would be just mean. Not so good.

If a guy wants to make a comment, so be it...we are human. If someone makes a comment about their pacemaker quitting...so what? He's merely making a point of how beautiful the pose/photo is. The point of even taking photo's is to have others struck by the point you're trying to make. If you're taking G and N photo's, what point are you trying to make? Most of us are trying to show or convey sexuality, sensuousness, stunning beauty etc....So then if someone makes a comment about their pacemaker stopping, or their heart missing a beat, isn't that the point? Isn't that what happened the first time you got naked with another human being? Didn't your heart skip a beat when he/she touched you or when you saw he/she with their clothes off for the first time.....anyway. We are sexual beings.

You may also want to relax a bit. Is it really that bad if someone says that their pacemaker stopped? Isn't he really just saying..."wow, that photo/model is stunning!" in a different way?

If you can't handle it, don' t go in the forum. But to try to "rat" people out, by making this post seems silly to me. Granted, I'm not the rule maker or a moderator, so that's just my opinion. Lighten up a bit. :D

.......but you asked.

[onebikeonehorseone5D]

What a dichotomy ...perusing nude photos yet offended by "woof woff"...


x2! bw!:cool:

[mcluckie]

When did being a man fall from grace?

When the puritians landed, but gradually better until 1980. Something happened in the last 25 years, women are empowered by law not personality, afraid to look sexy, even though you can be strong and sexy at the same time. It somehow eluded American women that you don't need to be a btch to have a voice. Thats why I love China so much. There's strong women, but not afraid to be a woman also. Men are criminals in the US, just ask any divorced guy how fair family court is.

[mcluckie]

Of course, that's one of the many reasons females are photographed in the nude.
Because they're prettier than I am! Soft curves, generally better skin.

I agree, no one should be commenting woof, woof, or did you need a wide angle lens for that -- thats just wrong on so many levels. I'd like to say that a few times in the "post your wife G/N" forum about some shots, but it never leaves my head. And believe me, the string between my brain and fingers/mouth is very short and tight.

Lets move on. You're not a prude, just maybe don't realize that even the priest in the church thinks these things. oh, sorry, catholics. Boys will be boys, men are just boys with more toys. So, men, pretend your mother is here. This isn't a bar where you could be crude and get a laugh from similarly drunken, insensitive friends.

[Gadgetholic]

Remember, everyone's tolerance level is TOTALLY different. I personally do think you are prudish/puritanical. For folks to act as if you can totally seperate photography tech talk, from commenting on the beauty or specific points of a womans/mans body, is almost to the point of being rediculous. We are all human, and to say, "oh yeah, the lighting...bla bla...." and not to comment on "camel toe" or lack of nipple etc etc....is just silly....We are not robots that only see "technical" we are living breathing sexual beings that see nudity as a beautiful thing. We see nudity as a .....hold....wait.....drum roll..........and cue the dirty word.....as a "SEXUAL" thing. If it's in the photo, it is fair game. To me there is no reason why we can' t make compliments or comments or even humorous exclamations as to how beautiful the photo is.

However, there is a point where being MEAN would be not in such good taste. Saying "that model is ugly" would be just mean. Not so good.

If a guy wants to make a comment, so be it...we are human. If someone makes a comment about their pacemaker quitting...so what? He's merely making a point of how beautiful the pose/photo is. The point of even taking photo's is to have others struck by the point you're trying to make. If you're taking G and N photo's, what point are you trying to make? Most of us are trying to show or convey sexuality, sensuousness, stunning beauty etc....So then if someone makes a comment about their pacemaker stopping, or their heart missing a beat, isn't that the point? Isn't that what happened the first time you got naked with another human being? Didn't your heart skip a beat when he/she touched you or when you saw he/she with their clothes off for the first time.....anyway. We are sexual beings.

You may also want to relax a bit. Is it really that bad if someone says that their pacemaker stopped? Isn't he really just saying..."wow, that photo/model is stunning!" in a different way?

If you can't handle it, don' t go in the forum. But to try to "rat" people out, by making this post seems silly to me. Granted, I'm not the rule maker or a moderator, so that's just my opinion. Lighten up a bit. :D

.......but you asked.

I personaly find it offensive that you say the OP is trying to "rat" people out by making this post. How is it even deemed as "ratting" out when she stands up publicly and expresses her concerens? She could easily hide away and just report posts, instead she has the courage to come out and ask the question and state her opinon.

Yes we are all sexual beings, but the Glamour forum is not a peep show for people to get titilated, which is why there are strict limits on the type of pictures allowed. It's about Glamour and nudity which I take to mean allure, elegance and class.

As for you not seeing reasons for not being able to make humorous exclamations as to how beautiful the photo is. There is one reason, its in the G&N rules! Which is what the OP was in fact commenting about to start with.

So, it seems pretty staright forward to me. The powers that be on POTN want this forum kept at a classy respectfull level, and going in a certain direction to keep it the forum most of us love and rely on to grow as photographers. They seem to have gotten it right so far.

There are a million other places to go and place comments with 'woof woof" or what ever pops into your head and feel you just have to immortalise in a comment forever. But here, keep it to the rules, Comment, but do it with a bit of class and respect for not only the model but the photographer.

I for one would hate some of the truly talented people that post in G&N to pack up and go elsewhere because the feedback is replaced by ridiculous comments.