Sore hand

[pehabe]

Holla,
My hand is not so big and this is how I hold my 20D

http://img222.echo.cx/img222/4134/crw06747nl.jpg

With small to moderate lens size I could hold this baby for an hour with no problem, but when I attached my 70-200 plus TC... I feel pain in the marked area within 30 minutes or so...

Do you have the same problem? and how to cope this pain?
I am thinking of buying the grip... Will it help me?

Thanks for your time ;)

[SkipD]

I think you would find the grip helpful for a couple of reasons.

First, it gives your pinky a place to properly grab on to the camera.

Secondly, the right side of the camera becomes long enough that you don't have the bottom corner jamming into your palm.

The hand strap is a wonderful accessory when you have the grip attached. It makes one-handed holding of the camera very easy and secure.

[robertwgross]

A good tripod would solve the problem.

---Bob Gross---

[dito]

ya, get a grip, literally...

[scottbergerphoto]

You are pointing to the Thenar Emminence of the hand which contains four muscles, the adductor pollicis, abductor pollicis brevis, flexor pollicis brevis, and the opponens pollicis. They control movement of the thumb. So basically you are fatiguing a group of muscles which causes the pain. To relieve this you need to take frequent breaks and gradually increase the strength of those muscles. You could carry a rubber ball with you and squeeze it for a few minutes repeatedly during the day.

[mr.photoguy]

lol ... me to ..
i hold it the same way, and get the same pain.

[cactusclay]

You are pointing to the Thenar Emminence of the hand which contains four muscles, the adductor pollicis, abductor pollicis brevis, flexor pollicis brevis, and the opponens pollicis. They control movement of the thumb. So basically you are fatiguing a group of muscles which causes the pain. To relieve this you need to take frequent breaks and gradually increase the strength of those muscles. You could carry a rubber ball with you and squeeze it for a few minutes repeatedly during the day.
Scott, you are just a wealth of information. Are you a doctor as well? :D

[Duder]

you can fly?

[pehabe]

geee thanks Scott... although the latin names just pass through but it give me the answer for my pain ;)
Thanks again...
just ordered the grip today.

[scottbergerphoto]

Scott, you are just a wealth of information. Are you a doctor as well? :D
I' m not saying until I know what insurance you have. ;)

[robertwgross]

Scott holds the PhD in cardiopulmonaryflashography.

That means that he plays golf on Thursdays and still shoots RAW.

---Bob Gross---

[Tom W]

Scott holds the PhD in cardiopulmonaryflashography.

That means that he plays golf on Thursdays and still shoots RAW.

---Bob Gross---

I concur with your diagnosis, Robert. ;)

[Dante King]

Why on earth are you NOT supporting the camera with your left under the lens?

[Icecamp]

I hold my camera by the lens, right at the base of the lens, I never support it with my shutter hand. Maybe it's a throwback to manual focus days, or maybe when I get a heavy lens on it, I don't like it hanging from the mount.

[nater]

Do you play basketball? When you shoot, one hand is "under" the ball to carry it, and one hand is alongside the ball to direct it. Those who reject this technique don't tend to have success. See: Shaquille O'Neal shooting a free throw.

It looks to me like you're trying to shoot one-handed. Carrying all the weight, aiming, and depressing the shutter release is a lot of work for one hand.

edit: I see you're in Germany, so I apologize if you don't know who Shaquille O'Neal is...

[Chazs]

...., abductor pollicis brevis, flexor pollicis brevis, and the opponens pollicis. ....

Man..and I thought this was just aculeus digitalis abhorreus fictor. I seem to get it a lot.

[elbirth]

I was also going to ask why you're not supporting your camera with your left hand... especially if shooting at slow shutter speeds, supporting it under the lens with the left hand is CRUCIAL. Besides, it's just good form and feels more natural.

[pehabe]

thanks for your responses... especially with the baseball technique ;)
I do support the camera with my left hand, but only when I take picture. When I am walking I feel uncomfortable with the camera in front of my face all the time. So I hold it with my right hand down beside my body with strech arm. No... I do not use the neck strap since I have already those Lowepro TLZ2 with the chest harness... It would be a little bit crowded there if I use neck strap. Usualy with 17-85 the camera would go in the bag, but with 70-200 plus TC1.4 my TLZ2 is too short. Thats why I hold it only with my right hand.
Thats the story behind my camera holding technique... not as interesting as Shaquille O'Neal isn't it ;D
Thanks again for your time ...

Here is the way I used to take picture.
http://img141.echo.cx/img141/7580/05031920drefleksi16vh.jpg

[J Rabin]

Pehabe: I didn't go the Canon grip route yet. When handholding my 70-200+TC I bought a Domke/Zing SLR Sport Strap. I carry this beast by the lens, not the camera though. There are other brands, too but this one has a double retainer, part elastic part neoprene, for sport shooting. Let's me release pressure from that part of hand. May work for you. J

[pehabe]

hi J Rabin
could you send a picture of your set up?

[sixshot]

I wish I had my 20D to complain about. How about I let you all know when I have bought it!! Popped into the camera shop yet again today. It is just too close....maybe I should move.

[pehabe]

hi sixshoot...
do you actually live in china? how is the canon gear price there compared to hmmm ... hong kong for instance?

[RJSorensen]

Is that why my thumb is sore . . . lol. I will take the pain for the gain.

[J Rabin]

could you send a picture of your set up?[/QUOTE]
Pehabe. Domke sounds like a good German name (haha). Anyway, I can't take a picture of myself, but here is Domke's link. Picture doesn't quite do it justice.
http://www.tiffen.com/domkecat31.htm
Optech sells one also, but it looked too radical for me. The Canon, Markins (beautiful leather), and other like handstrap brands are not the same as the Domke/Zing. They are made to work with camera AND battery/vertical grip. The Domke works on its own. I only use it at events and sport shooting.

[scottbergerphoto]

Neoprene fabric doesn't breathe. Your hand will sweat alot under the wrap and the sweat will drip out. Just something to consider.

[pehabe]

at last my grip came... it was delivered to wrong address eventhough the delivery address was correct ;( DPD Germany... halloooooo?

I mounted it with Screamer technique and attached 420EX, 70-200 plus TC and shaked the camera with LCD on... no problem at all. BTW my grip SN is 092xxx

First impression: wow... it looks great. Handling the camera is easier. There is enough room for my fingers to grap the camera now. No more problems with the thumb muscles ;D
Second impression: wow... its heavy...
Third impression: wow... its big... camera + grip snug fits into my TLZ2. After exercising put in, take out several times I noticed that the paint at the hot shoe is affected. Oh well... maybe I need bigger bag.

Cheers

[elbirth]

haha, "Screamer technique"

Screamer is going to end up famous for his suggestion :)
Glad to hear the grip works well, why don't you try pulling on it really really hard to see if it disconnects? (just kidding, don't do that... as long as you can shake it a little with all that on there and no power loss, that's great)

[pehabe]

I know what you mean Elbirth... the test I did was only living room test (although the shaking things was real ;D). Lets see if this grip still holds when I take this baby on field test. I will keep you informed.

[fetching]

get an XT! ;)

[OceanView]

at last my grip came... it was delivered to wrong address eventhough the delivery address was correct ;( DPD Germany... halloooooo?

I mounted it with Screamer technique and attached 420EX, 70-200 plus TC and shaked the camera with LCD on... no problem at all. BTW my grip SN is 092xxx

First impression: wow... it looks great. Handling the camera is easier. There is enough room for my fingers to grap the camera now. No more problems with the thumb muscles ;D
Second impression: wow... its heavy...
Third impression: wow... its big... camera + grip snug fits into my TLZ2. After exercising put in, take out several times I noticed that the paint at the hot shoe is affected. Oh well... maybe I need bigger bag.

Cheers

Hi Peter,

Can you post a photo of your 20D with the new grip and the long lens?

Thanks

[pehabe]

no problem...

This is the longest lens I have (70-200 + TC1.4)

http://img118.echo.cx/img118/7238/crw06773hf.jpg

http://img19.echo.cx/img19/6518/crw06780tq.jpg

http://img19.echo.cx/img19/4562/crw06804yk.jpg

[CyberDyneSystems]

FYI,. I can get the smae pains while shooting for prolonged periods wih the 1D MkII... the grip is built in on that model and deos not seem to have any effect on the arrival of pain.

Thus,. I do not think that the purchase of the Battery grip for the 20D will solve this problem.

[pehabe]

oye...oye...
than I got misleading advice here... 8(