Going off topic, hijacking threads........

[justaf IREMAN]

......posting the same exact answer or comment as the last reply, ^^^^^^^+1, ^^^^^^^^+2........ so on and so forth.

I notice a lot of this goes on in this forum. I'll click on a thread sometimes to find the answer to a similar question that I have and end up wasting my time reading page after page of BS. Or the thread goes off into a totally different direction because somebody hijacked it with a different question and the original question never gets answered.


I know that the guys and gals are just having some fun sometimes with their replies, but can a "NO HIJACKING" rule be implemented at least.

let me have it,..... what are your thoughts?

[heycow]

Should I get the 24-70L or 24-105L???



(Sorry, couldn't resist.)

[justaf IREMAN]

Should I get the 24-70L or 24-105L???



(Sorry, couldn't resist.)

See what I'm talking about. Thanks heycow, that was perfect.

[heycow]

No problem. So...what? 24-70? :)

Yeah it's on every forum. Lots of side conversations, tangents, "I like this", or "I agree". It's just a fact of Internet life.

[Tunneruk]

^^^^^^^^^^+1 :D

[Tomi Hawk]

^^^^^^^^^^+1 :D
LMAO!!!
I think the 24-105L will give you better range, but the 24-70 is faster :p

[FlyingPhotog]

You had your wish until the second person joined POTN...

[justaf IREMAN]

You had your wish until the second person joined POTN...

so true. btw, i like the P51 in your avatar

[Sibil]

Can't be controlled much unless a mod checks every thread and that's not practical. Some of it is about having fun, and some of it is about uping post counts. It's just the nature of the on-line forums.

BTW, I went with the 24-105. Range over speed :D

[asysin2leads]

If they aren't going to read/follow the rules about posting size limits, using the search function, for sale rules, why in the heck do you think they're going to follow this stupid rule? I'd rather see someone actually do a search for what they want rather than posting the same dang question 100 times.

[heycow]

what are your thoughts?
I think I'm going to go to sleep... :)

[Tunneruk]

I've got the 24-105 but I'm thinking about trading it for a 24-70, Do you think this is a good idea?
I'll mainly be shooting sports, macro, landscapes, birding, wildlife, portraits, urban street, fashion, architecture, and ducks.

[Scottes]

I got the 24-70 just the other day. The 24-105's range is extremely tempting, but I really really like f/2.8 and the focusing speed of the 24-70. Beautiful lens.

But the 24-70's lack of range is making me lust after the 70-200mm. But which one? f/4 or f/2.8?? IS or non-IS??

[Jon]

2.8 IS - you've already got the 100-400 for the IS and f/4 between 100-200 mm.

:{)#

Actually, I sold my 24-105 after I got the 28-300 L, since that baby removed my last reason (the gap between 70-105 mm and 0.4-1.4 m distance) for keeping both that and the 24-70/70-200 combo.

[YankeeMom]

If they aren't going to read/follow the rules about posting size limits, using the search function, for sale rules, why in the heck do you think they're going to follow this stupid rule? I'd rather see someone actually do a search for what they want rather than posting the same dang question 100 times.

I try, but that "search" is complicated as heck. :confused:

[NinetyEight]

I kinda' thought this thread might end up like this..... :-)

[Tunneruk]

I was wondering when the 90D will be released? I've got a 40D but don't want a 50D and the 60D has a funny ring to it. I wouldn't buy a 70D because my cat was hit by a car '70' yards away from my house, The 80D will just be a 70D with a couple of extra ISO settings, But I have read on 'the internet' that the 90D will be worth waiting for. Has anyone any idea how much it will be and how many mega pixels it will have?

[BobbyM]

Hopefully President Obama's health care ideas get implemented soon.

[BobbyM]

/somewhat agree with OP

people hijacking threads are almost as annoying as those who say use search, or use google. I actually think they might be one and the same though.


If everyone were to search or google every question they had, there would be community. What possible questions that can be asked haven't been asked before?

[asysin2leads]

I try, but that "search" is complicated as heck. :confused:

How is it complicated? Click "Search" at the top of the page and voila.


people hijacking threads are almost as annoying as those who say use search, or use google. I actually think they might be one and the same though.

If everyone were to search or google every question they had, there would be community. What possible questions that can be asked haven't been asked before?

So, because people are too lazy to click "search" and type in a few words, we should do it for them? I will grant that sometimes it really depends on what words you search for. However, a lot of people just ask a question and don't realize that it's been answered ad nauseum. Perhaps that's why there's a "Similar Threads" section at the bottom of most pages.

[YankeeMom]

How is it complicated? Click "Search" at the top of the page and voila.

Yeah, that part is easy -- but actually narrowing down the info. I am seeking without wading through hundreds of threads is the trick. I'm sure I am not searching correctly. :confused:

[Jon]

The more precise you can make your query the less overwhelming the response you'll get. Searching all of POTN for "40D" would be impossible. Searching in the EOS Cameras Forum (yes, you can do that) for "40D Live View" would yield a much more reasonable list of possibilities. It may help (although it'd mean more hits) to search the bodies of posts, not just thread titles.

[CyberDyneSystems]

Not to Hijack this thread but..

Hijacking is only of issue to those that take offense to the OT. posts,.

Usually even in a thread that has veered O.T., the original thread subject goes on to those interested in it, and one can read and reply to the OP's subject.
Feel free to ignore O.T. posts, but often the discussion that ensues is important to those participating and thus no reason to quell it.

When it is necessary, we can "split" discussions that go far afield, but it's not "policy" to do so.

Discerning what entails a hijack vs. a valid segue, and the fact that most often an O.T. post is all in good fun and hardly intended to contain malice,. are reasons why we would not be likely to try to write and enforce a hard "no hijacking" rule.

It's just not a reasonable or functional thing to crack down on.

Rather, POTN tries to enforce the rules regarding courtesy and behavior.. intent.

One form of "Hijack" we do tend to enforce when reported, are thread hijacks in the share forums... ie; I post an image of a flower, and someone comes along and says "mines better, let me show you" .. this one is common courtesy.

[YankeeMom]

The more precise you can make your query the less overwhelming the response you'll get. Searching all of POTN for "40D" would be impossible. Searching in the EOS Cameras Forum (yes, you can do that) for "40D Live View" would yield a much more reasonable list of possibilities. It may help (although it'd mean more hits) to search the bodies of posts, not just thread titles.

Thanks for the info! I do need to narrow my topics down -- sometimes it's hard even then, LOL. Sometimes looking at threads is better and sometimes bodies. Ah well, practice makes perfect. :D

[-MasterChief-]

btw, Terminator Salvation opens today, YAY!!

Not to Hijack this thread but..

Hijacking is only of issue to those that take offense to the OT. posts,.

Usually even in a thread that has veered O.T., the original thread subject goes on to those interested in it, and one can read and reply to the OP's subject.
Feel free to ignore O.T. posts, but often the discussion that ensues is important to those participating and thus no reason to quell it.

When it is necessary, we can "split" discussions that go far afield, but it's not "policy" to do so.

Discerning what entails a hijack vs. a valid segue, and the fact that most often an O.T. post is all in good fun and hardly intended to contain malice,. are reasons why we would not be likely to try to write and enforce a hard "no hijacking" rule.

It's just not a reasonable or functional thing to crack down on.

Rather, POTN tries to enforce the rules regarding courtesy and behavior.. intent.

One form of "Hijack" we do tend to enforce when reported, are thread hijacks in the share forums... ie; I post an image of a flower, and someone comes along and says "mines better, let me show you" .. this one is common courtesy.

[YankeeMom]

btw, Terminator Salvation opens today, YAY!!

Well, heck . . . :cool: ::running to the theatre::

[CyberDyneSystems]

btw, Terminator Salvation opens today, YAY!!

You can jump through time all you want John Connor, we will always win in the end! :)

[YankeeMom]

You can jump through time all you want John Connor, we will always win in the end! :)

:lol:

[-MasterChief-]

is that some kind of spoiler? doh! :evil:

[BobbyM]

So, because people are too lazy to click "search" and type in a few words, we should do it for them? I will grant that sometimes it really depends on what words you search for. However, a lot of people just ask a question and don't realize that it's been answered ad nauseum. Perhaps that's why there's a "Similar Threads" section at the bottom of most pages.

It's not necessarily the thinking "we should do it for them". What I am saying is is impolite and rude to constantly have that done when people come to a community(forum) to ask a question. The ones that chose to say "use search" or "google it!" should just not comment at all. But, I do understand that by doing so, it is an easy way to bump up their post count. The "search bully's" should just not respond at all..

That is what I meant by the people who say use search are just as bad as the hijackers, because in actuality, they are hijackers themselves. Nobody forced them to comment in the thread.

But, yes the similar threads is a nice feature at times. Although there are occasions where I use search to find something only to see reply's like "use search", "rtfm", "google it!" etc..:lol:

[Salma]

Use the search option ;)

[BobbyM]

>:(


lol

[Salma]

>:(


lol
It's true though, searching for a specific post via the search option would make life easier for everyone :)

[BobbyM]

I am sure if we googled this topic we would find it too has also been discussed.

If someone on the street asked me for directions, would I say use the F'kn map. No, if I knew the directions I would help, if I didn't I would move on.

[Salma]

I was referring to the 'search' option on potn.

[Tomi Hawk]

How is it complicated? Click "Search" at the top of the page and voila.
I believe he was being facetious .. I believe .. :???:

I use the search function here daily, atleast 5 times a day, with no issue whatsoever ..
Have I mentioned I love this place? .. aww, group hug .. :razz:

edit: I just used it to search for "highjacking" and only got one thread .. hmm, imagine that .. ;)

[Salma]

I believe he was being facetious .. I believe .. :???:

I use the search function here daily, atleast 5 times a day, with no issue whatsoever ..
Have I mentioned I love this place? .. aww, group hug .. :razz:
Agreed.

*hugz*

The search option here has already answered half my test paper :lol:

[asysin2leads]

It's not necessarily the thinking "we should do it for them". What I am saying is is impolite and rude to constantly have that done when people come to a community(forum) to ask a question. The ones that chose to say "use search" or "google it!" should just not comment at all. But, I do understand that by doing so, it is an easy way to bump up their post count. The "search bully's" should just not respond at all..

That is what I meant by the people who say use search are just as bad as the hijackers, because in actuality, they are hijackers themselves. Nobody forced them to comment in the thread.

But, yes the similar threads is a nice feature at times. Although there are occasions where I use search to find something only to see reply's like "use search", "rtfm", "google it!" etc..:lol:

I'm done discussing this with you. We can banter back and forth until we're blue in the face and we both will right and both will be wrong. Carry on.

[Salma]

How is it complicated? Click "Search" at the top of the page and voila.



So, because people are too lazy to click "search" and type in a few words, we should do it for them? I will grant that sometimes it really depends on what words you search for. However, a lot of people just ask a question and don't realize that it's been answered ad nauseum. Perhaps that's why there's a "Similar Threads" section at the bottom of most pages.
I totally agree with this, it's common sense.

[BobbyM]

hey, can someone PM me please, I need something looked up real quick. And I don't want to sidetrack this thread

[gary88]

24-70 is the obvious choice.

[Jon]

How is it complicated? Click "Search" at the top of the page and voila.



So, because people are too lazy to click "search" and type in a few words, we should do it for them? I will grant that sometimes it really depends on what words you search for. However, a lot of people just ask a question and don't realize that it's been answered ad nauseum. Perhaps that's why there's a "Similar Threads" section at the bottom of most pages.
If you don't want to answer a question, then not just common courtesy, but forum rules will tell you to say nothing rather than tell the questioner to do a search, or RTFM, or otherwise suggest that they shouldn't be wasting your valuable time by asking for an explanation of something that has them baffled.

[Tunneruk]

I really like cheese, Anyone else like cheese?

[Jannie]

Its like social conversation which is seldom linear, ideas branch out - develop, move on to new subjects, personally I love much of this because it often brings me to new discovery, entertainment and intrigue. When a person simply must have a serious answer, they can repeat that concern but if someone really wants to answer a question precisely, they can do that with free will.

The question is raised by the OP, if we go there to research the same subject then we get out of it what we bring to the party, if I only want to be an observer and expect people to follow what I think the rules should be, I'm unlikely to get either result.

I may have this wrong, it was a while ago but someone posting in the lens section got mad and wanted people to not either talk about lenses or post pictures from those lenses, I cannot remember which but they thought whoever did one of those were very wrong and such actions should be restricted.

But in real life I have several friends who are so left brained that all that is pertinent to these few minutes of conversation is what they want to talk about. Hmmmm, I should say I had a few friends like that lol, it wasn't interesting, I don't talk to them anymore so we both got the best of the situation, they can find people who only want precise agreement and response to what they want to talk about.

People are different, so we all view the function of conversations differently. Its been said that 86% of all questions are an answer in disguise, looking for support and confirmation but not a quest for new information. I was startled when I first read that but started paying closer attention to question oriented conversations and realized many of them are actually a way of starting a confrontation and the many are very thrilled to be able to start controversy, it's how they get their juices going, it's all very fascinating, none of it's wrong, it's how we communicate.

[CyberDyneSystems]

I like Ms.Jannie... even more than Cheese!

[Skip Souza]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/Answer_to_Life.png

[asysin2leads]

If you don't want to answer a question, then not just common courtesy, but forum rules will tell you to say nothing rather than tell the questioner to do a search, or RTFM, or otherwise suggest that they shouldn't be wasting your valuable time by asking for an explanation of something that has them baffled.

Most times I will tell them to search for the question and then point out the "Similar Threads" portion of the page. Most new people don't know it's there because it's at the very bottom of the page. So, yes, I do tell them to search for the answer, but also give productive advice.

[photoguy6405]

re: starting new threads vs continuing old threads

This is just my experience only, but I have found that resurrecting old threads gets very little attention, and that if I want an answer or some decent feedback, I have no choice but to start a new thread because then people are all over it.

YMMV

[BobbyM]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/Answer_to_Life.png


Happy birthday.

[Jannie]

"Happy Birthday Mrs. Magillicuty, where ever you are".

[DL.Photography]

Should I get the 24-70L or 24-105L???
(Sorry, couldn't resist.)

Got a new lens yesterday, here's a sample image, C&C please :lol:

[photoguy6405]

I like cheesecake.

[DL.Photography]

I like cheesecake.

what kind? do they have Junior's Cheesecake in the Midwest?

[photoguy6405]

what kind? do they have Junior's Cheesecake in the Midwest?
Never heard of Junior's, but I do like cherry cheesecake the best.

[asysin2leads]

We have the Cheesecake Factory here. It's so good, your tongue will slap your brains out.

[BobbyM]

Got a new lens yesterday, here's a sample image, C&C please :lol:

Speaking of parallax, yesterday I ordered a 35mm tilt & shift lens from the Ukraine.

[DL.Photography]

how much was shipping from ukraine?

[BobbyM]

how much was shipping from ukraine?


S&H (w/insurance)was $35. But, I got antsy and paid $50 more for EMS 3-5 day shipping. I will probably regret paying for the extra express shipping in a month or two.

Since were on the topic of ships, anyone watch that show where they go undercover on the docks of ~Somalia(?) to try and catch pirates and other illegal activities? forgot the name of it, but they are contracted by the countries government

[-MasterChief-]

did somebody say popcorn?

[DL.Photography]

S&H (w/insurance)was $35. But, I got antsy and paid $50 more for EMS 3-5 day shipping. I will probably regret paying for the extra express shipping in a month or two.

Since were on the topic of ships, anyone watch that show where they go undercover on the docks of ~Somalia(?) to try and catch pirates and other illegal activities? forgot the name of it, but they are contracted by the countries government

Nope I havent seen it. Hey, you have a 50D w/ a 580EXII but no lenses, how are your shots coming out?

[BobbyM]

Nope I havent seen it. Hey, you have a 50D w/ a 580EXII but no lenses, how are your shots coming out?

My photographs are actually turning out better now with no lens than when I had my 17-55 and 70-200 2.8is.

See for yourself, this shot was with one of my x1600's though, not the 580exII

My mind is drawing a blank on the term right now. fabrichi?, fabriconi?. Anyhow, that is the principal I tried to apply in the following photograph.

C&C appreciated.
367340

[Skip Souza]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/Answer_to_Life.png

[BobbyM]

Click Me! (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=the+answer+to+life%2C+the+universe%2C+and+every thing)

[Skip Souza]

Click Me! (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=the+answer+to+life%2C+the+universe%2C+and+every thing)
YES!

[DL.Photography]

My photographs are actually turning out better now with no lens than when I had my 17-55 and 70-200 2.8is.

See for yourself, this shot was with one of my x1600's though, not the 580exII

My mind is drawing a blank on the term right now. fabrichi?, fabriconi?. Anyhow, that is the principal I tried to apply in the following photograph.

C&C appreciated.
367340

You're white balance is a bit off.

[Salma]

My photographs are actually turning out better now with no lens than when I had my 17-55 and 70-200 2.8is.

See for yourself, this shot was with one of my x1600's though, not the 580exII

My mind is drawing a blank on the term right now. fabrichi?, fabriconi?. Anyhow, that is the principal I tried to apply in the following photograph.

C&C appreciated.
367340
:lol:

[DDCSD]

Have you seen my baseball?

[Sibil]

I'm Meeting some high school friends for lunch. Should I take my P&S or should I take my 40D? If 40D, should I use flash or go ambient? If flash, should I go ETTL or manual, and also should I bounce the flash? If ambient, would 50mm be too long on a crop body in a restaurant? Should I take my 24-105? Would it be too slow? What f-stop should I use and what ISO. What if I use the green square setting and someone notices that? How do I figure out the DOF? Do I need a tripod, or can a waitress/waiter be able to hold the camera steady? My 50mm doesn't have IS, but my 24-105 does. Is IS a big deal in this setting? Can the 50mm AF be quick enough? What Picture Style should I use? My 40D shots are often soft, so should I bump the sharpness to the max? I shoot JPEG only. My head is spinning. HELP.

[DeaconG]

I'm Meeting some high school friends for lunch. Should I take my P&S or should I take my 40D? If 40D, should I use flash or go ambient? If flash, should I go ETTL or manual, and also should I bounce the flash? If ambient, would 50mm be too long on a crop body in a restaurant? Should I take my 24-105? Would it be too slow? What f-stop should I use and what ISO. What if I use the green square setting and someone notices that? How do I figure out the DOF? Do I need a tripod, or can a waitress/waiter be able to hold the camera steady? My 50mm doesn't have IS, but my 24-105 does. Is IS a big deal in this setting? Can the 50mm AF be quick enough? What Picture Style should I use? My 40D shots are often soft, so should I bump the sharpness to the max? I shoot JPEG only. My head is spinning. HELP.

40D, ambient, manual and flash, no, no, yes, at least f5.6 and ISO 3200, challenge them to a duel outside, didn't I just tell you at least f5.6, use a monopod, dang straight, absolutely, Faithful or Standard, fix it in post, shoot RAW, go lay down, HTH...

I think that should do it:lol:.

Tip yer waitress, try the veal (BA-DUMP!):lol:

See what the OP started? He'll be sor-ree!:lol::p

[justaf IREMAN]

Holy crap!! It's been a while since I checked on this thread, it's gone off the deep end. At least now you guys get my point. Hmm, I wonder how long this thread will go?

[FlyingPhotog]

Holy crap!! It's been a while since I checked on this thread, it's gone off the deep end. At least now you guys get my point. Hmm, I wonder how long this thread will go?

This thread had a point? Well knock me over with a feather... :lol:

[DL.Photography]

This thread had a point? Well knock me over with a feather... :lol:

I like cheesecake.

Well yeah it HAD a point, it was about cheesecake until you guys went off topic.:cool:

[Mike_Jackson]

But which AF point should I choose?

[mikekelley]

Will i notice a difference upgrading from xsi to 40d?!?!?

[mikekelley]

images turn out blurry!! halp!!

[S.Horton]

LMAO!!!
I think the 24-105L will give you better range, but the 24-70 is faster :p

^^ +1

Nice avatar.

I think that light is important, too.



Will i notice a difference upgrading from xsi to 40d?!?!?
Yes......

images turn out blurry!! halp!!
...your photos won't be blurry.

[CyberDyneSystems]

With the used price of the MkII these days it's a tough call unless your budget dictates the choice for you,..

MkII Vs. MkIII AF:
Between the two IMHO it's a practical wash..
The MkIII had many supposed AF improvements engineered into it,. however at launch and for over a year thereafter it was plagued with issues that prevented it taking the AF crown from the MkII.
After over a year of dealing with this and finally getting a replacement camera from Canon, I find though my new MkIII AF is at long last is excellent, however I can find no concrete evidence that it is in fact any better for Birding than the MkII. Easily Just as good, but not in a league of it's own.

MkII Vs. MkIIIfor high ISO noise handling:
This is a different story. If you need to shoot low light or simply high ISO for faster shutters, the MkIII is a significant improvement on the mkII.
Further, image quality and color are simply better all around.
One can happily shoot ISO 800 on the MKIII and compare that to ISO 400 or lower files fro the MkII. Further, the higher ISO MkIII files up to 1600 clean up amazingly well with a good NR software plugin.. resulting in images that look like they were taken again t ISO 400 or so on a mkII.
Again the overall IQ is simply stunning.

Ergonomics and Control:
The MkIII again wins in a colossal lead. Going all the way back to Canon first consumer DSLR, the D30 3MP, and there first Pro DSLR, the 1D 4.5MP, Canon was using two entirely different menu systems and control layout. While the D30 evolved to the D60, 10D and 20D, Canon made substantial improvements in the intuitive nature of the menu system. Meanwhile the MkII and MkIIn came out with virtually no change from the menu structure of the the original 1D, in fact, the 1D borrowed it;s own digital menu system from the earlier Eos 1V film systems,. to make the switch for pros from the 35mm to Digital "easier"
What this results in is an archaic menu structure, that is cumbersome and time consuming to use.

Consumer lever 10D-50D menu system = excellent,
1D-1D MkIIn.. = not so good

With the MkIII Canon combined the best of each and made it even better.
In use the MkIII is a huge improvement. Here the MkIII hits it out of the park.

The decision:
Given the cost of a used MkII, it's hard to make this decision. You are guaranteed one of the fastest focusing cameras ever made, with the longest and best track record for fast action birds, sports etc. at rock bottom price.

MkIII adds to that the negative of flaky AF on some bodies, along with the better IQ and far better ease of use.

Hope this all helps.

[S.Horton]

But which AF point should I choose?

The one that works.

[Sibil]

Hope this all helps.

Everything I ever wanted to know and then some. Mega thanks for this summary.