Infrared with 5D MKII

[Youngster]

I've found videos, pictures, blogs and what not about it, but for some reason I have not been able to find the following:

Infrared photos taken with a normal 5D MK II. That is, no tweaks, nothing used but a standard infrared filter (the R72 is the most common I would assume).

I'd like to try out infrared photography with my 5D MK II, but with the prices of infrared filters being what they are I don't feel like buying one out of the blue only to find the results to be nothing what I had imagined.

If you have any shots or can direct me to any I'd appreciate it greatly!

Cheers!

[Youngster]

Anyone?

/Bumpity bump.

[monty28428]

Check out John_B's (a member here) website -> link (http://johnbdigital.com/infrared.htm)

[Youngster]

Very good and useful, thank you!

[r.morales]

I posted this a couple minutes ago for 1ds above
I just started playing with an XTI and a 760 nano filter . [ EFS 17-55 - iso 400 - f 5.6 - EV 15 - started working at 1 minute , 1 1/2 and 2 . ] I used a tripod and canon's intralval timer . It took a while to figure out I had to set on bulb . Manual and timer only work in bulb mode .
After shutter closes , it takes about a minute for camera to load picture to card .
I had a redish or pinkish cast to the shots . Looking for answer to either remove or shoot so I don't get the color cast .
You need a tripod and some kind of remote to time shutter .
Hope this helps .

[CannedHeat]

I posted this a couple minutes ago for 1ds above
I just started playing with an XTI and a 760 nano filter . [ EFS 17-55 - iso 400 - f 5.6 - EV 15 - started working at 1 minute , 1 1/2 and 2 . ] I used a tripod and canon's intralval timer . It took a while to figure out I had to set on bulb . Manual and timer only work in bulb mode .
After shutter closes , it takes about a minute for camera to load picture to card .
I had a redish or pinkish cast to the shots . Looking for answer to either remove or shoot so I don't get the color cast .
You need a tripod and some kind of remote to time shutter .
Hope this helps .

I am shooting with a converted IR camera, so I dont know for sure but the technique used to set WB may also work with a filtered / unconverted camera.

Use green grass to set a custom WB. Zoom in, fill the frame, blur a little. Also note that at least in my version of PS (CS2) you cannot use adobe ACR to process IR files. There is a hardcoded WB limit that will not allow an IR raw to show correctly. At best it is processed with a strong magenta / red color cast. So far, just about the only app I have found that will properly process and balance an IR raw is DPP.

[r.morales]

I see you found 2 of the posts - maybe some one else can help us .
I am looking for a book on it
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?p=8153049#post8153049

[WillyPhoto]

I've done it a few times with a 5D MKII, unfortunately I don't have anything on the net to show yet. It's looks pretty decent, but keep in mind that you're not going to get a perfect photo since these cameras are designed to block as much IR light as they can. I'm using a Lee 4x4 #87 in a Cokin Z-Pro holder.

A word of warning, the exposure compensation for my setup is 19 stops, which means a shot that would normally be exposed at, oh say 1/2000 will take 8 minutes with the filter.

If you're want some cool landscape or scenic shots, it's a great setup for a good price; though anything handheld simply isn't possible without having the low-pass filter removed.

Hope that helps!

[Youngster]

Thanks a bunch! I'm still not sure whether it's worth investing in an R72 filter, though.... I mean, for say the 24-105 lense it's a relatively expensive filter...

[r.morales]

Watch ebay and just bid low on the ones from Hong Kong or China .
I have seen 2 here in market place that were free - I missed both .

[Youngster]

I''ll have to do that! So far the prices on Ebay are not a bit lower than straight from the shelf of any online store.

[r.morales]

T did not go for name brands . I looked at shipping , then went 1/3 of B & H price .
I have adapter rings to almost any from 52 to 77 and down the other way .
Since I am playing / don't know if I will loose interest , I don't go for more money than a pizza .

[Youngster]

Asking for advice:

Should I buy a 62mm Hoya R72 with a 77-62 step-down ring for my 24-105mm 4L, or a 52mm Hoya R72 for my 50mm 1.4? It's a matter of opinion, of course, but I'm interested in all opinions :)

[r.morales]

from various sources , I copied add pasted --
Good for IR
Canon EF 50mm/1.8 Mk.I
Canon EF 17-40mm/4 L USM
Canon EF 24-70mm/2.8 L USM
Canon EF 24-105mm/4 L IS USM
Canon EF 100-400mm/4.5-5.6 L IS USM
Sigma 180mm/3.5 EX HSM Macro
(the older non-DG version) Canon EF

Bad for IR
16-35mm/2.8 L USM (hot-spot)
Canon EF-S 10-22mm/3.5-4.5 USM
(no hot-spot, but long wavelengths "smear" at the edges)
Canon EF 28-135mm/3.5-5.6 IS USM (mild hot-spot)
efs 17-55 - hot spot
Canon 70-200 f/4 IS

With the 62mm you are going to be cropping , but the 24-105 is supposed to be good with IR .
I have not read about the 50 1.4 being either good or bad .
3 stops [ about ] is not going to make much difference - you will still need a tripod , I would go the cheapest route until you know if you are interested enough to warrant buying better toys .
Someone may post about the 50 1.4 .

[Youngster]

from various sources , I copied add pasted --
Good for IR
Canon EF 50mm/1.8 Mk.I
Canon EF 17-40mm/4 L USM
Canon EF 24-70mm/2.8 L USM
Canon EF 24-105mm/4 L IS USM
Canon EF 100-400mm/4.5-5.6 L IS USM
Sigma 180mm/3.5 EX HSM Macro
(the older non-DG version) Canon EF

Bad for IR
16-35mm/2.8 L USM (hot-spot)
Canon EF-S 10-22mm/3.5-4.5 USM
(no hot-spot, but long wavelengths "smear" at the edges)
Canon EF 28-135mm/3.5-5.6 IS USM (mild hot-spot)
efs 17-55 - hot spot
Canon 70-200 f/4 IS

With the 62mm you are going to be cropping , but the 24-105 is supposed to be good with IR .
I have not read about the 50 1.4 being either good or bad .
3 stops [ about ] is not going to make much difference - you will still need a tripod , I would go the cheapest route until you know if you are interested enough to warrant buying better toys .
Someone may post about the 50 1.4 .

Thank you greatly for this!

The difference in price doesn't seem that radical between the two options. I'm mostly interested in IR landscape photography, but then I'm curious about what you could achieve with infrared at 1.4....Hehe, it's always this difficult when trying to pick a new toy ;)

[Youngster]

Well, it seems the 50mm 1.4 produces a harsh "hot spot" with an infrared filter. Too bad, I was already getting keen on the idea....

[r.morales]

So , I guess the 50 1.4 goes on bad list . Thanks .
Did your picture come out way to red ? Still working on eliminating the red .
Bought a book on IR and it shows how to eliminate the red . I have not finished book yet or tried what it says .
I'm going to Mexico next month and will be playing pano landscape . Cactus should come out interesting . Good luck .

[Youngster]

So , I guess the 50 1.4 goes on bad list . Thanks .
Did your picture come out way to red ? Still working on eliminating the red .
Bought a book on IR and it shows how to eliminate the red . I have not finished book yet or tried what it says .
I'm going to Mexico next month and will be playing pano landscape . Cactus should come out interesting . Good luck .

I did not try it myself yet, but every single review I found of it on the net said it produces a very notable hot spot.

I have not found anything good nor bad about the 24-105, so I will have a try with that one.

[williamgruner]

I recently started a blog to deal with most if not all of these issues. It goes through my equipment (5D Mark II, EF 24-70 f/2.8L, Tiffen #87, ...) and provides a sample workflow: http://markdeux.blogspot.com. Hope it helps. Cheers.

[Youngster]

william: This is pretty much perfect. Thank you so much :)

[johneo]

Thanks a bunch! I'm still not sure whether it's worth investing in an R72 filter, though.... I mean, for say the 24-105 lense it's a relatively expensive filter...

I bought a smaller and less expensive filter for my 50mm lens, used it a few times and decided to just convert my 10D to IR. The long shutter speed and when there's a breeze, leaves and branches are blurred. Still a lot cheaper getting a filter compared to having a camera converted but the price of a 77mm R72 filter is almost what a conversion costs.

Think about picking up a used older body and convert it!

From my 10D ...

http://www.riview.com/IR/0097ir2.jpg

[Youngster]

I have a 350D I do nothing with that I wouldn't mind converting, but I can't find a place that would do the job within a reasonable distance from here...

I'm still looking at options, but as for now I feel the R72 might be the way to go for me.

[texshooter]

Youngster may want to reconsider the Canon 24-70mm 2.8 L as a good IR lens. Look at this image with the center burn. All my shots have some degree of center burn with this lens. I would not recommend it.

[chanth99]

Great thread guys. I am looking at a possibility of buying a used 350D and make an IR conversion too.

However, as I have had no experience with this IR photography world at all, I am not sure how to 'process' it (I usually shoot RAW and convert them using Lightroom). Would it be possible at all for someone who has an IR converted camera to share with us some RAW infrared photo files? If I may, a portrait and a landscape with lots of green trees please.

Thanks a million in advance.

[mypoppy31]

For a while I was interested in shooting infrared, then after a while I lost interest for some crazy reason, because I've always loved infrared...

I'd really like to do much much more with shooting infrared but if I simply don't experiment, then I guess I'll get nowhere's. I'm an older man and it takes a real shove to get me out and start experimenting.

So, a few days ago, I did get out and shot up a storm with my Dimage 7...
I'm attaching a youtube video/slideshow that I created and would like some good constructive criticisms...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWJIvOHiWmY

[mypoppy31]

to Johneo,

Love that photo!...and its "sharp" as a tack!..great job!...

[zynetec]

Useful thread this, was just about to post about IR photography myself.
I have a 1D2, and want to experiment with IR. Will I need to get some sort of remote to it, to facilitate longer exposures than the 30 seconds the 1d does? Or am I better off buying an old 300d and removing the lowpass filter? If I did that, would I still need an R72 filter to go on the lens?
Sorry for all the questions, but there is so much info out there, Im not sure how to interpret it all.............. erk

TIA

J

[mypoppy31]

To: Zynetec,

If you click on "mypoppy31" above here.....you can see some of my infrared stuff.
I use the Hoya R72 filter on my Minolta Dimage 7. The advantages of using the Dimage 7 is that, unlike most camera's, the Dimage 7 lets you see thru the LCD or viewfinder what your about to photograph...

Most camera's don't let you do that for some strange reason. If you go to pbase.com and enter "Daniella T" you'll see some of the very best IR photos. And, she also used the Dimage 7....

You can check out the Minolta Dimage 7 on Amazon.com. They're selling from $100 and up. Good luck with your IR stuff.

[zynetec]

Thanks Mypoppy31,
Is that a Dimage7 or a dimage7HI?
trying to find an cheapy one to play with. Does the sensor need modification on this?

[mypoppy31]

To Zynetec,

Its the Minolta Dimage 7 which is best for IR photography. Go to Amazon.com and check out this camera. I saw one a few days ago, NEW, selling there for $100.. The Dimage 7 originally sold for $1,700 some 8 years ago

Its one of the very few camera's thats already set up for IR photography..
I also use the Minolta Dimage 7 solely for my IR shots.

Good luck.......

[pxchoi]

http://www.galitz.co.il/gallery/infrared/

I think this may be the best example of Infrared I've seen so far. The photographer also has an article that explains his technique. I purchased a infrared filter but have not tried it out yet.

[zynetec]

Well I finally won a Dimage7 on fleabay, and have a R72 on order, so going to start reading up on technique soon and "have a go"!